Bad Seller Jose & Marcel in Portugul
Ballypinball
out of the 33 two were not even the games i ordered.
Most were dead and not the same games he supplied pictures to.
I have given them every possible chance to rectify by shipping me the
3 games i paid for and 3 others as compensation.
However they ignore emails and hang up when i call.
Happy to supply emails and details of this bad seller.
MonsterBash
Will take a while to wipe this smile off my face
On Dec 23, 8:04 am, miracleman <psychospe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> WHAT?
>
> You put money down for pinball machines and DIDN'T GET THEM???
>
> How does it feel to be on the receiving end?
>
> This is the best x-mas present EVER!
>
> THANKS, WayNO!
erickit
Kyle Wren
Ballypinball says...
Sorry to hear about your luck as I don't like to see anybody get cheated on a
deal.
I have to wonder though, since you and Gary Stern are the only two pinball
machine manufacturers left in the world today... I wonder how many used
container machines he has bought recently? With your remakes shipping next week
I just wonder how you can have the time to mess with small potato stuff like
this?
--
Kyle Wren - CARGPB #27
Dr. Dave
Just a little karma payback for all the bullshit you started making
home roms more difficult to come by for 30+ years old games that you
really don't care about but just love to give people who really do
care about this hobby a hard time .
DR
On Dec 23, 6:31 am, Ballypinball <sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote:
Bought 36 Games received 33 WAaaaaaaaaaaaa! Waaaaaaaaaaaa!
machine.slave
I'm sure many of us were curious about these crates of Portugal full
of pins. Most thinking that they were just too good to be true, but
no one willing to take the leap. Now that someone has bitten the
bullet, it answers a lot of questions.
Hope it works out for you, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
On Dec 23, 6:31 am, Ballypinball <sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote:
Detroitboy
should have to deal with issues like this. As was mentioned....many
have wondered about those deals they have been advertising. It sucks
to be the "little guy" and be ignored....
prowlerman99
GalacticDan
It's good you posted here, I know some people do indeed take a chance
and import bulk games. At least now other people have a chance to
research RGP for similar issues before buying.
Ping
Menace
Here's my question... When dropping this much $$ on a container, why
in the world wouldn't you go and do the deal in person? A flight and
hotel is cheap insurance if you ask me...
Ah well... what is it they say about karma? :)
Doug
kirb
You bought sight unseen with an unknown seller? Yikes.
Now you want the 3 more machines you paid for (OK, I get that), but 3
more machines for 'compensation'?
You are wondering why they hung up on you? I think you tried to be
cheap and got bit by a questionable seller. Seems to happen a lot in
this biz...new and old machines alike.
Kirb
Dave
JDubbbs
Karma....... nuff said.
John
jdubbbs
pincorrect
> Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
>
> Just a little karma payback for all the bullshit you started making
> home roms more difficult to come by for 30+ years old games that you
> really don't care about but just love to give people who really do
> care about this hobby a hard time .
So is Wayne the guy who created the 9.4ch TZ ROMs?
kirb
He is talking about mods to older games that has been going on for
awhile. TZ mods were performed by the original programmer for the
game.
Kirb
w-mor...@ti.com
WayNO...
Have you ever heard of the saying in English. Say it loud and proud.
"What comes AROUND...goes AROUND"? Think about it. Say it...Say
it...
If any other individual bought from him he would probably over supply
with more games and less hassle.
Pinball is their business and business is good...
Bill
pincorrect
Yea, but didn't someone hack 9.4h and make 9.4ch and that's why the
programmer said he wouldn't do any more home roms?
Robinva
I have a serious question here and welcome anyone to answer. I know a
little bit about this guy “Wayne” from Australia. I understand that he
bought the trade rights to Williams. After reading a few threads
around here I also understand the whole MM debacle he got himself
into.
If this guy owns the rights to Williams you would think that he would
be the KING of Pinball, the Head Honcho, The Pinball Wizard…you know
to “GO TO” guy, BUT and this is a BIG BUT, Every person I have ever
talked to in the Pinball hobby/business absolutely HATES this guy for
one reason or another, even the few people that deal with him
regularly dislike him. When people buy from him they say “they were
FORCED to buy something from Wayne” as no one else had it. I see
people face’s cringe at the mention of this guy.
Remember I don’t have a dog in this fight so to speak…so I have no
reason to make this up.
Sounds like this guy has everything he needs to be the savior of
pinball and a very famous person to boot, but it sounds like he does
everything wrong, is this guy all thumbs?
What is the REAL story behind this?
pinballlooking
I hear you have a good lawyer that can send him a letter you should be
fine. :)
Really sorry to you got taken it is never good thing.
More people should live by the Golden rule!
--
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Tim N.
I feel like I am watching the news....
"Drug dealer shoots another drug dealer".....
I wish I could feel bad for the guy that got shot, but he is a dumbass
and did it to himself....
John In WI
> On Dec 23, 6:31 am, Ballypinball <sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote:
>> Bought 36 Games received 33
>>
>> out of the 33 two were not even the games i ordered.
>>
>> Most were dead and not the same games he supplied pictures to.
>>
>> I have given them every possible chance to rectify by shipping me the
>> 3 games i paid for and 3 others as compensation.
>>
>> However they ignore emails and hang up when i call.
>>
>> Happy to supply emails and details of this bad seller.
>>
>> sa...@pinball.com
>
> I have a serious question here and welcome anyone to answer. I know a
> bought the trade rights to Williams. After reading a few threads
> around here I also understand the whole MM debacle he got himself
> into.
>
> If this guy owns the rights to Williams you would think that he would
> to �GO TO� guy, BUT and this is a BIG BUT, Every person I have ever
> talked to in the Pinball hobby/business absolutely HATES this guy for
> one reason or another, even the few people that deal with him
> FORCED to buy something from Wayne� as no one else had it. I see
> people face�s cringe at the mention of this guy.
>
> Remember I don�t have a dog in this fight so to speak�so I have no
> reason to make this up.
>
> Sounds like this guy has everything he needs to be the savior of
> pinball and a very famous person to boot, but it sounds like he does
> everything wrong, is this guy all thumbs?
>
> What is the REAL story behind this?
Nobody "Forced" anyone to by anything....period.
--
"Anything worth doing, is worth overdoing�
- Mick Jagger -
Ken
Hate to sound like a broken record, but: "Google is your friend"
What that means is, if you do a search of RGP, you will quickly find
why people hate him. You are correct in your assessment in that Wayne
should be looked at as the saviour of pinball games, parts and
artwork, but it is the exact opposite.
Happy (or sad, as I would call it) searching...
-Ken, CPL
www.Team-EM.com
Josh A.
> You are correct in your assessment in that Wayne should
> be looked at as the saviour of pinball games, parts and
> artwork, but it is the exact opposite.
Actually, Wayne *was* considered a saviour here when the news first
broke that he'd acquired B/W rights the day before April Fool's in
2005. Read this thread where everyone was congratulating him and
looking forward to the better days that surely lay ahead:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/msg/e0b863305ff9c545?hl=en
Dan Q very much
> Have you ever heard of the saying in English. Say it loud and proud.
>
> "What comes AROUND...goes AROUND"? Think about it. Say it...Say
> it...
>
Except it's "what goes around comes around"...
ldnayman
keep others from dealing with an allegedly shady bulk seller, and as
far as I know Wayne has never STOLEN money from anybody. THere are
numerous stories of people getting their deposit money back from him.
Wayne may be many things, but "thief" doesn't seem to be one of them,
so I don't see why everyone thinks this is some kind of just
punishment for selling pinball parts on the open market.
Joe Grenuk
seen here in 10 years, no kidding.
This guy, that brakes balls over some schmuck in Des Moines selling a
stinking $2 decal for a 25 year old Williams pin on Ebay, and who is
sitting on tens of thousands in "deposits" for games that will never
be made, comes HERE for sympathy?
Or, this guy comes here to warn his good pals in the pinball world
about a(nother) ripoff artist?
Or, he comes here to vent? Like the kid with the "Kick Me I'm Stupid"
sign on his back?
I have to call BS on this post. I cannot be true. He would have to
have balls the size of Fosters beer cans or a brain the size of a
N4004 diode to come here with this post.
G'day Mate!
Joe
Robinva
> Robinva wrote:
> > On Dec 23, 6:31 am, Ballypinball <sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote:
> >> Bought 36 Games received 33
>
> >> out of the 33 two were not even the games i ordered.
>
> >> Most were dead and not the same games he supplied pictures to.
>
> >> I have given them every possible chance to rectify by shipping me the
> >> 3 games i paid for and 3 others as compensation.
>
> >> However they ignore emails and hang up when i call.
>
> >> Happy to supply emails and details of this bad seller.
>
> >> sa...@pinball.com
>
> > I have a serious question here and welcome anyone to answer. I know a
> > bought the trade rights to Williams. After reading a few threads
> > around here I also understand the whole MM debacle he got himself
> > into.
>
> > If this guy owns the rights to Williams you would think that he would
> > talked to in the Pinball hobby/business absolutely HATES this guy for
> > one reason or another, even the few people that deal with him
> > FORCED to buy something from Wayne as no one else had it. I see
> > people face s cringe at the mention of this guy.
>
> > Remember I don t have a dog in this fight so to speak so I have no
> > reason to make this up.
>
> > Sounds like this guy has everything he needs to be the savior of
> > pinball and a very famous person to boot, but it sounds like he does
> > everything wrong, is this guy all thumbs?
>
> > What is the REAL story behind this?
>
> Nobody "Forced" anyone to by anything....period.
>
> --
>
> "Anything worth doing, is worth overdoing
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thats what I said! They replied...so what I have a QC game without
slingshot plastics ( <----insert whatever part only Wayne has
here)..yeah right? The point was they would rather deal with ANYONE
else, and will search far and high before dealing with him...but I
guess you pictured a guy with a gun to his head bying (<---LOL)
pinball shit from Wayne...and no that didnt happen.
Josh A.
> I don't see why everyone thinks this is some kind of just
> punishment for selling pinball parts on the open market.
Schadenfreude, I suppose, but the timing isn't great given that it's
the holiday season. God bless us, every one!
erickit
I have no problem with him selling parts and making a profit, my
problem is with him being an asshole.
When I first started posting on the group someone asked about PZ art,
I didn't know the rules of the game and posted the guy to get it from.
I started getting the threats from this assclown threatening to sue
me for making artwork, since he has no reading comprehension he
thought I was making it.
I would rather part a game than give this jerk a red cent, more parts
for someone who doesn't have to give him money and one less game for
him to sell parts for in the future.
He can't alienate people fast enough with his attitude and I would
NEVER buy one of his Chinese made MM games IF he ever did make them.
Hey Wayne, how come you never made any BK caps from the dies you got
from AM? LOL!
Eric
mattyb
Congratulations, worst analogy of the day. :) MattyB
kirb
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, but that was before Wayne.
Bish
> 3 games i paid for and 3 others as compensation.
>
> However they ignore emails and hang up when i call.
Looks like they "ceased and desisted" ... and you didn't even have to
have your lawyer send them a letter!
Tim N.
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL... Do I win a Pinball Factory MM as my prize?
Captain Neo
complain about not getting his games. It's just too much of a
setup. Someone has to be fucking with you guys. Wayne would know
better than to reveal something like that here.
Sam
Sure, you're #1000 on the list.
Sam
Perhaps but he's also would be the first to claim the post wasn't from
him. Been pretty quiet. Irregardless of Wayne, those Portugal guys, if
story is true, are crooks. Not that you expect better nowadays buying
containers.
Sam
freeplayer
> Bought 36 Games received 33
>
> out of the 33 two were not even the games i ordered.
>
> Most were dead and not the same games he supplied pictures to.
>
> I have given them every possible chance to rectify by shipping me the
> 3 games i paid for and 3 others as compensation.
>
> However they ignore emails and hang up when i call.
>
> Happy to supply emails and details of this bad seller.
>
> sa...@pinball.com
Wayne, The plot thickens. I tried to buy that container with a friend
of mine who was willing to work on them, get them up to play and then
list them on ebay. I will try remain neutral in judgement....Naaaaa.
You never mentioned what titles you received in your 33 container
shipment. I will tell you that Jose invited me to Portugal to view the
inventory and that they also were willing to accept half down and the
other half when the container arrived at the port.
Let's not rush to judgement here, find it very hard to believe that a
businessman like yourself that is capable of taking MM deposits, going
on years now with no MM production in sight, would then rush to slam a
couple of guys in portugal for taking your money, and then not
shipping you three pins. Jose should have shipped you 3 pins keeping
the other 30, eventually in a few years you would have received the
rest of the container when they got around to it. Here is my
experience with Jose in private emails:
Re: Mr. Pinball ContainerWednesday, September 2, 2009 5:14 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"jose fonseca"
<argo...@gmail.com>Add sender to ContactsTo: "Frederick
<fc...@yahoo.com>Frederick..
You take a low cost flight and i show ou the pin's in Lisbon.
I have a friend EBAY Seller,possibility talk to you,about the
pinballs.
Thanks.
José.
2009/9/2, Frederick <fc...@yahoo.com>:
> Hi,
>
> I cannot send that much money unsecured to a foreign country. I askes
> my lawyer and he said no no no. www.escrow.com is the only way I can do
> business. You can visit the company website to learn more. If we come to
> an agreement, payment in full would be sent to this escrow company who is
> the largest in the world highly rated by ebay. escrow.com holds the money
> in trust, you ship the container, I have a short time to inspect, if all is
> good the escrow company will release the monies to you, safe and secure for
> both of us.
>
> --- On Wed, 9/2/09, jose fonseca <argo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: jose fonseca <argo...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Mr. Pinball Container
> To: "Frederick fc...@yahoo.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 4:06 AM
>
>
> Frederick:
>
> I organize a container with 33 pin's,this is a 20 feet Container.If
> you want/need more pins',i can organize a container with 70 pin's.
>
> I have my lot 33 pin's for sale,and another lot with 20 pin's.
>
> The games are working,but not cleaned,are in general complete,someones
> a plastic broken or minor problem's.
>
> I ship or my company ship all over the world,this is www.cargoabreu.pt
>
> In the USA,i have sold container's for Virginia,Texas(2 containers)
> and Wisconsin.I just send a container with 33 pin's to
> Australia-Melbourne,is not arrived yet,only in October.
>
> I unknown the system www.escrow,but i have other proposition for you:
> If we go with this business,you send me half of the total,and i sent
> the pin's,when the pin's arrived to you,you send me the restant of
> founds.
>
> If this business is good for you,i send you pic's of pin's.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Fonseca.
>
>
>
>
> 2009/9/1, Frederick <fc...@yahoo.com>:
>> Hi,
>> I am seeking more info regarding your pinball container package. How many
>> titles total would be included in the sale? Are all the games working and
>> complete. Do you ship to Port Elizabeth off the New Jersey Turnpike. Do
>> you have pictures of the pins? Are they shopped? How would the transfer
>> or
>> exchange of monies take place, and would you be willing to use
>> www.escrow.com to secure both my money and your pins. Who have you sold
>> to
>> in the US that I may contact for a reference. Thank you for your time.
>> Frederick
>>
Kyle Wren
Robinva says...
>
>On Dec 23, 6:31=A0am, Ballypinball <sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote:
>> Bought 36 Games received 33
>>
>> out of the 33 two were not even the games i ordered.
>>
>> Most were dead and not the same games he supplied pictures to.
>>
>> I have given them every possible chance to rectify by shipping me the
>> 3 games i paid for and 3 others as compensation.
>>
>> However they ignore emails and hang up when i call.
>>
>> Happy to supply emails and details of this bad seller.
>>
>> sa...@pinball.com
>
>I have a serious question here and welcome anyone to answer. I know a
>bought the trade rights to Williams. After reading a few threads
>around here I also understand the whole MM debacle he got himself
>into.
>
>If this guy owns the rights to Williams you would think that he would
>to =93GO TO=94 guy, BUT and this is a BIG BUT, Every person I have ever
>talked to in the Pinball hobby/business absolutely HATES this guy for
>one reason or another, even the few people that deal with him
>FORCED to buy something from Wayne=94 as no one else had it. I see
>people face=92s cringe at the mention of this guy.
>
>Remember I don=92t have a dog in this fight so to speak=85so I have no
>reason to make this up.
>
>Sounds like this guy has everything he needs to be the savior of
>pinball and a very famous person to boot, but it sounds like he does
>everything wrong, is this guy all thumbs?
>
>What is the REAL story behind this?
Much of the bad blood here for Wayne happened during the period when he first
acquired the WMS pinball rights. The fact is he is obligated to legally protect
those rights against unlicensed infringement, so he was never going to be
popular with the segment that was producing and/or buying those parts at that
time. Frankly I never faulted Wayne for many of his actions during that time.
The problem comes in with the infamous remake projects. It is my belief that he
is holding deposit money on this project to this day while he has no real
intention to ever build these games. He is essentially profiting off of his
original fan base, those folks that are either blindly optimistic that he is
really working on them, or those that don't have the guts to ask for their
refund having gone along with this crap as long as they already have. The fact
is if Wayne is honestly trying to build these games he is doing nothing illegal
or wrong. But, if it could be proven that he has given up and still not
voluntarily refunding everyone's money... well, that could make for some
interesting legal action.
Wayne could go a long way toward regaining some credibility in this community by
refunding everyone's money. Even if he really is still working on the games,
haven't these folks pretty much PROVEN they are serious about buying a game when
they are finished? Refund now, keep a list, and when the games are really built
give these folks first dibs at the original price. Wayne could be a double-hero
instead of seeming like he is just trying to hang onto every deposit dollar as
long as possible.
--
Kyle Wren - CARGPB #27
brainsnap
From a crowd that you have personally screwed over time and time
again.
You should be ASHAMED for even considering having a cry to this crowd
boy !
Proving once more that you are the ULTIMATE idiot.
As others have said this is KARMA at it’s ultimate best.
The BEST Xmas gift I could ever have asked for.
I have a smile from ear to ear knowing that someone screwed you – see
how it feels FOOL.
They just didn’t go hard enough as far as I am concerned , I would
have sent you NOTHING like YOU have done to 3 or 4 people ( not
1000 ) that have eaten your lies and STUPIDLY pre-ordered your MM’s
( less than a week to go remember – YOU said it ! )
This will be the MERRIEST Xmas I have had in a LONG LONG LOOOOOOONG
time, normally I don’t even drink but I will celebrate this moment
with a beer or two tonight.
SUCK SHIT to you !
Couldn’t happen to a nicer big blob.
I will smile over this for a month or more -
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Rick Swanson
LOL! Well, at least he didn't say... "raping a whore is still
rape". ;-)
Rick Swanson
cargpb6
dsup...@aol.com
>
> LOL! Well, at least he didn't say... "raping a whore is still
> rape". ;-)
>
> Rick Swanson
>
> - Show quoted text -
True.
But raping a hooker is not rape.
It is shoplifting.
Brian
Retrogameconnection
DITTO !!
Well put Eric !
Tim N.
>
> - Show quoted text -
"You can't rape the willing" ..... I think that was something I
learned from Sesame Street or the Electric Company, can't remember
which one, but it was definitely a PBS program...
PeterGEvans
bothered me, and I've read a history of the MM project/debacle.
Luckily for me I don't have that large of a pinball fund, so I didn't
get caught up in it. I'd be one of the guys that asked for a refund
by now if I had.
But, I think Wayne might be trying to tone it down a bit and possibly
win back some favor. I've come across several posts of his recently
that seem very cordial/professional. Maybe it is someone else doing
the posting, that is quite possible. But if Wayne wants to attempt to
repair some of his tarnished reputation on RGP I hope people will give
him that chance in time.
Like it or not he is in a power position in this hobby. If he is
engaged with the members of RGP and producing/licensing many parts
that are needed we're all better off. If he despises all of us and
couldn't care less about the niche needs and wants of the community
then he'll only produce/license the items that are the most profitable
to him.
Believe me, I'm not a Wayne fan. I've never met the guy and probably
never will. He's posted some stuff on here that is just ridiculous.
But I do understand that he has to defend the license he purchased or
risk losing the rights to it. Do I think it could be done in a more
tactful way? If what I'm hearing from people is true, then yes and he
definitely should.
I would think that there could be money to be made all around if Wayne
offered a solution along with his C&D letters. Maybe he allows some
licensed mod to be created and sold by a third party's storefront
(i.e. BAA) so that he trusts that accurate numbers are being
reported. Wayne takes a small percentage BAA (or whoever) takes a
small percentage, and the creator of the mod (or whatever licensed
item) makes most of the profit and has the luxury of knowing that his
product is above board and won't have to worry about potential
lawsuits.
This would only be for things that are clearly infringing on a
license. Someone can make a shooter rod that looks like an 8-ball and
not expect to be sued by every pinball company that ever made a pool
related game. Now if it had the name of a Specific game written on it
that is a different story. There are definitely some potential gray
areas too.
If this had been anyone else posting about getting screwed on a
container of games there would be RGP outrage. Luckily we're all
fully aware here that Wayne has "millions and millions" of dollars and
this isn't going to bankrupt him. It still sucks though if it is
true, and he might prevent someone else from entering into a bad deal.
I've dealt with a couple people professionally that remind me a bit of
Wayne based on the posts I've seen from him. The two that I'm
thinking of really aren't bad people when you get to know them, but
they have burned a lot of bridges on their way to the top. They have
short tempers and will have the occasional outburst, but they are
excellent businessmen that you can learn a lot from if you don't let
their personality get to you. I wouldn't put them in the PR department
however. There is a certain amount of ruthlessness needed to be
successful in some areas. I don't know how Wayne made his money, but
I suspect he was in an industry that was like that.
BTW - I don't own any B/W games, but I do play several on location
that I enjoy when they are complete and working.
Detroitboy
> In article <7b5ca459-0a2f-417b-9c20-2d28800e1...@19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
I got my refund a month ago.
Robinva
>
> - Show quoted text -
I’m sure it’s written into in his contract with Bally/Williams that he
is obligated to protect the rights against unlicensed infringement,
but there is a reason they have transferred rights owners agree to
such terms and that’s to protect the integrity of the manufacturing of
such parts, arts, programming etc… many of these contract have strict
terms in order to preserve the value/worth of the trade name itself.
I’m betting that he also agreed to terms that he would not tarnish the
image of the Bally/Williams trade name, little things like THIS THREAD
as well as the MM debacle could constitute a breach of contract and
Bally/Williams could pull his license if such wording was/is written
into the agreements.
Let’s face it at this point it’s us hobbyists that are keeping pinball
alive and he “Wayne” should be acting as our steward, keeping us happy
is job #1 and it will make him very very rich/richer as an added
little bonus!
brainsnap
> In article <7b5ca459-0a2f-417b-9c20-2d28800e1...@19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Kyle,
Great words and thoughts but you are seriously giving the guy WAY too
much credit in thinking he would EVER even consider doing something
that would be business'savvy'and understand how to save face, retain
customers and build good customer relationships.
Fred Kemper
compensate you for their errors, and you receive satisfaction.
Thank you for informing us of your dealings with this seller as well.
--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
******************
"Ballypinball" <sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote in message news:c2753112-3682-47f2...@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
pincorrect
with him? If you received a C&D relating to infringing upon the IP he
is obligated to protect to maintain the integrity of his marks, that's
your problem, not his. I don't know the guy; I don't have a horse in
this race either, but it is kind of appalling how many people, during
this "holiday season" are claiming they're quite amused if not
thrilled with someone else's misfortune.
Very Christian-like of you guys. Actually, I'm not being sarcastic.
pinheaded
Really, don't you squeze the fruit before you buy it?
Me, I buy one machine at a time, and look at it physically.
A container? A throw of the dice, my friend...
miracleman
> Very Christian-like of you guys.
ick, don't insult me!
WanMan
> Bought 36 Games received 33
>
> out of the 33 two were not even the games i ordered.
>
> Most were dead and not the same games he supplied pictures to.
>
> I have given them every possible chance to rectify by shipping me the
> 3 games i paid for and 3 others as compensation.
>
> However they ignore emails and hang up when i call.
>
> Happy to supply emails and details of this bad seller.
>
> sa...@pinball.com
All I can say is that ANY business that advertises a product on the
web when they know damn well they don't have it and still has an
APPLICATION requireing a 50% deposit can kiss my ass!
Ballypinball
First of all Thankyou for the people who emailed me privately and your
kind words,
Some of which know I had surgery last week and was rushed back with
complications this week.
2nd I can afford to take the loss but how would you feel if you where
a collector here who got burnt, I was just making others know after i
had already tried to resolve the problem.
The 50% up front and balance when the games arrive is flawed as you
don't get the documents to clear the games until the balance is paid.,
the container could have been full of bricks.
Yes 3 games they failed to ship, and the 3 compensation THEY OFFERED
were because they sent a Capcom Flipper football with a missing
display in place of a Mint IJ.
A TZ with no boards and 50% of the parts missing and the rest hanging
from the bottom of the playfield, 15 displays faulty and 10 dead
games.
However all games tested and 100% working with displays with no
missing lines and no playfield wear were promised.
I have been promised the games agreed too, and its been several months
and still no games.
Regardless of what people think of me personally, These guys are
crooks and you should be careful, even the pictures they send you are
not of the games you receive.
Mr Pinball has been selling used games for 18 years, why should our
business change because we purchased rights from Williams.
Regards and Merry Christmas
pinballoz
its been several months
and still no games".
Kettle calling the pot black?
Ballypinball
well I paid in Full and no refund in sight
Regardless of what you might think, I am no conman, I have refunded
anyone who has ever wanted a refund, and i don't even hold the money
it is in trust.
So it does not bother me either way, the games will sell when complete
either way.
Like Gene I am 200k over budget, so people will be paying less than
the cost to build, so i guess i must be bad at being a conman if i
lose money.
So pinballoz what exactly have you done for pinball.
brainsnap
> Some of which know I had surgery last week and was rushed back with
> complications this week.
>
Oh - my heart goes out to you - NOT.
What a damn shame they didnt flick the switch - OFF for good.
Here we have the worlds most hearltess man expecting a little sympathy
AGAIN.
F*CK that !!
What was the surgery - stomach ring or stomach staple or stomach pump
from your last Macca's run?
Oh and to the guy that has "no horse in the race" but wants to make
comments about C&D's - Well boy - you wait till you are on the
recieving end of Mr IDIOTS totally false and illegal C&D's he USED TO
SEND from ficticious lawyers that didnt exist for items he has no
rights to - THEN you can make comment on that area of business - until
then - STFU please!
And to the guy that said "very Christian like of us" - I dont care if
it is Xmas Eve ( which I like by the way ) if this guy died on an
operating table while they removed more whale blubber I would throw a
week long party. And I AINT stupid enough to be religous either.
I see the hospital BULLSHIT as a delay tactic when his MM's are due
out in less than a week !
I laugh at his mis-fortune and wish MUCH more trouble for him in the
weeks / months ahead.
Merry Xmas to ALL other RGPers'.
kreed
Being into socialism in other things you post on,
I find it strange you would be supporting copyright ;)
miracleman
> So pinballoz what exactly have you done for pinball.
At least he hasn't LIED for years about due dates for finished MM
remakes.
In Florida we hear about a LOT of investment schemes where people are
strung along as long as possible before the crook just disappears.
Now that you've pulled the most UN-professional excuse of 'surgery',
I'm betting you will use the excuse of 'poor health' when you finally
fold.
kruzman
> Bought 36 Games received 33
>
> out of the 33 two were not even the games i ordered.
>
> Most were dead and not the same games he supplied pictures to.
>
> I have given them every possible chance to rectify by shipping me the
> 3 games i paid for and 3 others as compensation.
>
> However they ignore emails and hang up when i call.
>
> Happy to supply emails and details of this bad seller.
>
> sa...@pinball.com
The only reason sombody would buy a container of games sight unseen is
greed. Especially someone who is not a newbie. It seems really common
on RGP lately that people post boohoo when their gamble dosen't pay
off, but i never see a post about all the money made when things go as
planned. Risk is a componet of profit. Am I the only one who paid
attention in high school. My rant has nothing to do with the poster
personally, I don't know him. It's just the content of the post. greed.
Dr. Dave
"X-MAS" is a language tool of the left.
DR
underlord
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wayne, you HAD back-up from many people, we all tried to support a
niche hobby WITH you. Yes, there were many black market sub-standard
parts that were removed due to you, and just as many hobbyists
frustrated with your legalized bullying tactics ( which you are
legally bound to with your B/W liscenced contract, we understand, but
YOU signed up to be the bad guy from them!) , and cryptic one
sentence ' pop onto RGP and dissappear' sarcastic responses, but
most of all, your (very understandable, we all get enthusiastic with
personal progress) over-reaching on the remakes. What is unforgivable
is your relentless egotistical attitude toward hobbyists here and your
years of disregard towards others ( I set myself up for and take full
responsibility for my posts and mistaken manufacturing references
posted here , as I have learned better since then so I speak in
general terms) when mistakes were made, but you still have a chance
to make things right Wayne! Make the forum public! With a public
forum, nobody can act on heresay and conjecture because the info would
be public. You don't have to share sensitive info, just basic
friggin' updates man!
We are all basically the same in nature of actions...almost like
a 'How to be Human' rulebook which we all subconsciously live by, so
please try to remember we all run into problems, and it is an insult
to treat us with anything less than what you would want for yourself,
as the collective intelligence on this usenet group is extraordinary
( although some posters here occasionally drop the percentage!) :)
Thank you for posting any potential scam info to us, it will be
taken into consideration with future dealings.
What you do with the facts given here are up to you, as they have
always been. I AM sorry for your troubles Wayne, but what would your
response be if I told you I was in the hospital too?
--Rick.
Joe Grenuk
And anybody that buys container crap without seeing it first is, well,
let's say naive, since it is Christmas.
You fly over there, you spend 2 grand for the trip, you see the stuff,
you find "issues" with the games that result in at least a 2k
renegotiation of the price, and your trip is free, you have seen the
container crap, drink some port, see some portugals, slap your seal on
the container, and happily head home.
Is this your first multiball?
and hint hint....container crap is container crap whether it comes
from portugal or someplace in the USA.
MrBally
Why is it that the tune Lisbon Antigua by Nelson Riddle keeps playing
through my head when I read this thread?
pincorrect
> Being into socialism in other things you post on,
> I find it strange you would be supporting copyright ;)
It's a shame people like you can only think in one dimension.
Kyle Wren
brainsnap says...
>
>On Dec 24, 7:37=A0am, Kyle Wren <kylewrenT...@cinci.rrOUT.com> wrote:
>> In article <7b5ca459-0a2f-417b-9c20-2d28800e1...@19g2000vbq.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> Robinva says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Dec 23, 6:31=3DA0am, Ballypinball <sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote:
>> >> Bought 36 Games received 33
>>
>> >> out of the 33 two were not even the games i ordered.
>>
>> >> Most were dead and not the same games he supplied pictures to.
>>
>> >> I have given them every possible chance to rectify by shipping me the
>> >> 3 games i paid for and 3 others as compensation.
>>
>> >> However they ignore emails and hang up when i call.
>>
>> >> Happy to supply emails and details of this bad seller.
>>
>> >> sa...@pinball.com
>>
>> >I have a serious question here and welcome anyone to answer. I know a
>hat he
>> >bought the trade rights to Williams. After reading a few threads
>> >around here I also understand the whole MM debacle he got himself
>> >into.
>>
>> >If this guy owns the rights to Williams you would think that he would
>> >to =3D93GO TO=3D94 guy, BUT and this is a BIG BUT, Every person I have e=
>ver
>> >talked to in the Pinball hobby/business absolutely HATES this guy for
>> >one reason or another, even the few people that deal with him
>> >FORCED to buy something from Wayne=3D94 as no one else had it. I see
>> >people face=3D92s cringe at the mention of this guy.
>>
>> >Remember I don=3D92t have a dog in this fight so to speak=3D85so I have =
>no
>> >reason to make this up.
>>
>> >Sounds like this guy has everything he needs to be the savior of
>> >pinball and a very famous person to boot, but it sounds like he does
>> >everything wrong, is this guy all thumbs?
>>
>> >What is the REAL story behind this?
>>
>irst
>> acquired the WMS pinball rights. The fact is he is obligated to legally p=
>rotect
>> those rights against unlicensed infringement, so he was never going to be
>that
>> time. Frankly I never faulted Wayne for many of his actions during that t=
>ime.
>>
>> The problem comes in with the infamous remake projects. It is my belief t=
>hat he
>> is holding deposit money on this project to this day while he has no real
>is
>> original fan base, those folks that are either blindly optimistic that he=
> is
>> really working on them, or those that don't have the guts to ask for thei=
>r
>> refund having gone along with this crap as long as they already have. The=
> fact
>> is if Wayne is honestly trying to build these games he is doing nothing i=
>llegal
>> or wrong. But, if it could be proven that he has given up and still not
>> voluntarily refunding everyone's money... well, that could make for some
>> interesting legal action.
>>
>nity by
>> refunding everyone's money. Even if he really is still working on the gam=
>es,
>> haven't these folks pretty much PROVEN they are serious about buying a ga=
>me when
>> they are finished? Refund now, keep a list, and when the games are really=
> built
>> give these folks first dibs at the original price. Wayne could be a doubl=
>e-hero
>> instead of seeming like he is just trying to hang onto every deposit doll=
>ar as
>> long as possible.
>>
>> --
>> Kyle Wren - CARGPB #27- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>Kyle,
>
>Great words and thoughts but you are seriously giving the guy WAY too
>much credit in thinking he would EVER even consider doing something
>that would be business'savvy'and understand how to save face, retain
>customers and build good customer relationships.
One of my many flaws is I like to think the best of everyone. The fact has
always been you really can't build 2000 pinball machines by hand with 4 guys. It
takes a pinball factory in more than just a name or required square footage in
your building, you have to actually buy some equipment and hire some people to
do all that labor. Wayne isn't doing that by every report we have on him, unless
he is doing it secretly in China or something. If that is the case he could let
folks know that.
The most ironic part of this whole debacle is the bad mouthing Wayne gave to
Gene during the BBB project. Here is an update Wayne: in the time you have been
sitting on everyone's money on your project, Gene could have done TWO runs of
BBB machines. :-)
Kyle Wren
Detroitboy says...
>
>On Dec 23, 3:37=A0pm, Kyle Wren <kylewrenT...@cinci.rrOUT.com> wrote:
>> In article <7b5ca459-0a2f-417b-9c20-2d28800e1...@19g2000vbq.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> Robinva says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Dec 23, 6:31=3DA0am, Ballypinball <sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote:
>> >> Bought 36 Games received 33
>>
>> >> out of the 33 two were not even the games i ordered.
>>
>> >> Most were dead and not the same games he supplied pictures to.
>>
>> >> I have given them every possible chance to rectify by shipping me the
>> >> 3 games i paid for and 3 others as compensation.
>>
>> >> However they ignore emails and hang up when i call.
>>
>> >> Happy to supply emails and details of this bad seller.
>>
>> >> sa...@pinball.com
>>
>> >I have a serious question here and welcome anyone to answer. I know a
>> >bought the trade rights to Williams. After reading a few threads
>> >around here I also understand the whole MM debacle he got himself
>> >into.
>>
>> >If this guy owns the rights to Williams you would think that he would
>ver
>> >talked to in the Pinball hobby/business absolutely HATES this guy for
>> >one reason or another, even the few people that deal with him
>> >FORCED to buy something from Wayne=3D94 as no one else had it. I see
>> >people face=3D92s cringe at the mention of this guy.
>>
>> >Remember I don=3D92t have a dog in this fight so to speak=3D85so I have =
>no
>> >reason to make this up.
>>
>> >Sounds like this guy has everything he needs to be the savior of
>> >pinball and a very famous person to boot, but it sounds like he does
>> >everything wrong, is this guy all thumbs?
>>
>> >What is the REAL story behind this?
>>
>irst
>> acquired the WMS pinball rights. The fact is he is obligated to legally p=
>rotect
>> those rights against unlicensed infringement, so he was never going to be
>that
>> time. Frankly I never faulted Wayne for many of his actions during that t=
>ime.
>>
>> The problem comes in with the infamous remake projects. It is my belief t=
>hat he
>> is holding deposit money on this project to this day while he has no real
>is
>> original fan base, those folks that are either blindly optimistic that he=
> is
>> really working on them, or those that don't have the guts to ask for thei=
>r
>> refund having gone along with this crap as long as they already have. The=
> fact
>> is if Wayne is honestly trying to build these games he is doing nothing i=
>llegal
>> or wrong. But, if it could be proven that he has given up and still not
>> voluntarily refunding everyone's money... well, that could make for some
>> interesting legal action.
>>
>nity by
>> refunding everyone's money. Even if he really is still working on the gam=
>es,
>> haven't these folks pretty much PROVEN they are serious about buying a ga=
>me when
>> they are finished? Refund now, keep a list, and when the games are really=
> built
>> give these folks first dibs at the original price. Wayne could be a doubl=
>e-hero
>> instead of seeming like he is just trying to hang onto every deposit doll=
>ar as
>> long as possible.
>>
>> --
>> Kyle Wren - CARGPB #27- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I got my refund a month ago.
May I ask, did you have to request the refund or did Wayne offer it up
voluntarily? This could be great news if he just sent it to you. Also, if you
did ask for it how long did you have to wait for the funds, I have heard that he
is still honoring requests but they aren't flowing as fast as they once did...
pincorrect
> That's all well and good but please keep the "CHRIST" in Christmas.
> "X-MAS" is a language tool of the left.
You're joking right? Or are you yet another "CHRISTian" who knows
virtually nothing about the history of your religion?
I'm just curious... is there anyone who is actively getting ripped off
by Wayne? I guess anybody who wants their money back will get it, so
the main thing he's been guilty of is not delivering a new series of
pins on certain time lines?
Dan Q very much
> On Dec 24, 7:35 am, "Dr. Dave" <davidsarc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > That's all well and good but please keep the "CHRIST" in Christmas.
> > "X-MAS" is a language tool of the left.
>
> You're joking right? Or are you yet another "CHRISTian" who knows
> virtually nothing about the history of your religion?
>
Yeah, I was gonna say...
kirb
Going to the site to look at your purchase AND see the people you are
dealing with in person can be worth thousands in itself. Hire a
bilingual local for $100 and save even more. Make sure the seal on the
container is the same as the one that you left it with. Pay the second
payment after the container is open at your shop.
Anything less and you shouldn't do the deal.
Kirb
mattyb
I say keep the XMAS out of Christ.
MattyB.
Dr. Dave
Peace out and Merry C-H-R-I-S-T-M-A-S TO everyone else who wants to be
wished a Merry Christmas!!!!
DR
Detroitboy
> In article <3125e6eb-6341-4990-b189-fbaf175ed...@22g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>,
I cancelled my order and Wayne said it would take 8 to 10 weeks to
process the refund. I believe it took a little over 8 weeks. He did'nt
ask why, etc.
mattyb
> On Dec 23, 6:31 am, Ballypinball <sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Bought 36 Games received 33
>
> > out of the 33 two were not even the games i ordered.
>
> > Most were dead and not the same games he supplied pictures to.
>
> > I have given them every possible chance to rectify by shipping me the
> > 3 games i paid for and 3 others as compensation.
>
> > However they ignore emails and hang up when i call.
>
> > Happy to supply emails and details of this bad seller.
>
> > sa...@pinball.com
>
> The only reason sombody would buy a container of games sight unseen is
> greed.
Wrong. Perhaps the only reason YOU would buy a container of games
sight unseen is greed but not everyone lives by your standards.
>Especially someone who is not a newbie.
Right, a seasoned business man would fly all over the world inspecting
individual games and ship them one at a time half way around the
globe.
>It seems really common
> on RGP lately that people post boohoo when their gamble dosen't pay
> off, but i never see a post about all the money made when things go as
> planned.
Of course not. It would be in poor taste to come on here bragging
about ones business savvy, right?
> Risk is a componet of profit. Am I the only one who paid
> attention in high school. My rant has nothing to do with the poster
> personally, I don't know him. It's just the content of the post. greed.
The OP has nothing to do with greed. If Joe Blow posted it you'd see
it for what it is - a warning regarding a certain seller in Portugal.
MattyB
Dan Q very much
> Happy Ramadan to you and pincorrect and Dan Q then.
>
When's that, then?
I love Christmas, the family time, the decorating, the exchange of
gifts, the evergreens, the joy of the kiddies, the Santa conspiracy.
I also dislike Christmas, the insipid music, the whole Jesus bit, the
smug affrontedness of so-called Christians when "Happy Holidays" is
uttered.
Dead horse, but you Christians defending the holiday from secular
activities are being hypocritical, seeing as how the holiday was
originally usurped from the pagans.
Happy [insert appropriate holiday celebrated by the well-wishee here]
everyone!
brainsnap
Classic isnt it !
Replace the word 'months' with 'years' and THAT is what WaynO has done
for his customers - NOTHING....in years
Robinva
The so called “Moral Majority” is neither Moral nor the Majority.
I thought we agreed that X-Mas was OK when you right wingers wanted to
call it Anti-ChristMas and make it mandatory to put pentagrams on the
top of all X-mas Trees!
Kyle Wren
Ballypinball says...
>
>Like Gene I am 200k over budget, so people will be paying less than
>the cost to build, so i guess i must be bad at being a conman if i
>lose money.
Please do us one small favor Wayne. Do not ever compare yourself or your project
with Gene Cunningham or anything that he has done. Doing so continues to lend
undeserved credit to you and your project and could continue to confuse people
that you will eventually produce pinball machines just because he did. With no
product shipped you are basically just in the hole for the remaining deposit
money that is being hoarded on your end. That is the only math that matters here
right now.
>So pinballoz what exactly have you done for pinball.
He continues to keep an eye on you Wayne, and draw attention to this issue. A
very noble and worthy effort if I don't say so myself. :-)
Captain Neo
agreed. It's amazing but most christians don't even realize there
isn't anything in december that their religion has to celebrate. It
was taken on basically as a publicity stunt to try and get people of
other religions to jump on the christian bandwagon.
Andrew Barney
Seems right, can't defend the statement so attack the person who wrote
it.
Andrew
brainsnap
Can we PLEASE keep this thread on track that it is about an idiot who
singlehandedly has tried to destroy OUR hobby and after he has divided
a lot of the community, has been involved in a number of mis-truths ,
and continues to get WAY up peoples noses......has now decided to try
and make a 'soft' return to RGP of late with a few 'nice replies' in
threads and a couple of "poor old me" sympathy threads ......and some
people that were burnt before now ( STUPIDLY ) seem to be lapping it
up.
Remember - this is the SAME Mr " poor me I have been in hospital' who
publicly mocked and laughed at Gene Cuningham when he was crook.
Andrew Barney
Silly me, I thought "on track" was us being warned about a bad
purchase experience.
Andrew
brainsnap
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oooops - yep - I am trying to de-rail that one as no-one should really
care about who that happened to !
erickit
>
> - Show quoted text -
I thought it was to let us know that TPF now stands for The Pinball
Flipper.
:)
Eric
Ballypinball
Another Australian guy also got burnt, poor condition Machines,
missing heaps of parts.
These guys are scum, Be warned as i heard a US guy was looking at
dealing with them also.
So just to recap we bought a container of games and there were games
missing and others substituted with lower value games.
The games we received were not as pictured.
I will be setting a website up with all their details and emails
brainsnap
As a matter of fact - MOST people are BLOODY HAPPY that you screwed
this import up - REALLY REALLY happy actually - even those guys thast
you THINK are your mates but ACTUALLY just cling on to you for parts
deals.
You will be setting up a website with all the details hey ?
I call BULLSHIT on that - U wouldnt know how !
Your own site hasnt been updated for how long now .....for.....EVER so
why would this new site idea of your be ANY different.
Huff Puff Boo bloody Hoo.
I say - YOU BLOODY BEAUTY that you are STILL crying over YOUR FAILURE
to check things.
ANOTHER FAILURE in your Long Long LOOOOOOOONG history of dead set
idiotic mistakes.
Get Wayne a kleenex guys - he needs to wipe his eyes.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaa
miracleman
brainsnap
HOW ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE MM & CC remake information that has been
on your site for YEARS and is quite clearly now ( at best ) mis-
leading.
Off ya go Webmaster Gillard - Let us know when you are finished.
By the way - I have quite a bit of website building experience and
anyone that knows how to work on web pages could EASILY update that
main page of yours in UNDER one day. You could get one of your 'art-
team' to do it, you know them that TEAM of employees you told us you
had in your "Art Dept" - anyone with art experience also finds web
work VERY simple.
So I guess we will see your update within a week??
Or is this just ANOTHER empty statement from you?
Oh and if you do make a site about the ( so called & according to
you ) bad sellers I hope you are VERY factual and not slanderous in
any way becuase there are lawyers out there like John C Anderson that
will pounce on you if you are doing anything he deems as illegal - so
be careful buddy.
BUY...@aol.com
WAYNE thanks for the heads up we have also been burned a few times on
bulk deals , As for the few asswipes in this group that have nothing
better to do than bust your balls ,Those guys don,t have the money or
balls to buy more than 1pin at atime , this group is their life
jar155
So having money validates poor behavior? Even if it's someone else's
money that was gathered under false pretenses? You're an idiot. I
mean, you probably already knew you were since you're claiming to have
been burned on bulk deals "a few times". What kind of moron makes that
mistake repeatedly?
brainsnap
As for the few asswipes in this group that have nothing
better to do than bust your balls ,Those guys don,t have the money or
quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Asswipe that busts his balls......hmmmmmmmmm ....you are WRONG
dickhead !! ( Are U Expat under a new username , because he says
things like 'get a life etc, so it looks like Expats typing skills at
work to me )
I visit this group ONLY about once a week on average to ensure that
any noobs are alert to the fact that " Mr I want to be everyones buddy
now" ( also now known as " Mr Cry for me after I stabed 99% of you
without giving a shit" ) has never been to good at sticking to his
words, promises and statements - so that the noobs dont think he is
some type of good guy - we all know he AINT.
In reference to your statement that " I dont have enough money to buy
more than one game at a time.......I say .....life AINT about 'money'
you idiot , so you are calling 80+% of guys here at RGP and in the
pinball hobby that buy one game at a time to build thier collection
over a period of time 'ass-wipes' - gee thats nice of you - I am sure
all the RGP members appreciate your comment about them.
Keep on suckin mate - good luck
brainsnap
>
> - Show quoted text -
Touche' to the above statement.
Dont they say 'birds of a feather flock together'
Well just look at who got ( apparently ) burnt by the same seller.
Neither person doing thier homework and now looking to blame others.
Les Manley
Umm...didn't you get the memo about RGP Etiquette and reviving threads
over 36 hours old? I am going to go ahead and get you another copy of
that memo... :)
Ballypinball
Sent Mr Pinball Classifieds an email, since that's where i got burnt
from
No response and the seller is still listed.
I feel sorry for the other Australian Collector, Not a Business just a
collector like you all, who got burnt as well.
he flew over and inspected the games etc, however they were not what
arrived.
brainsnap
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hang on , hang on , hang on just a minute.
Are you saying that YOU the man that CONTROLS OUR HOBBY , the self
professed MANAGER of the Pinball WORLD, have to go to Daina's site to
search out and buy a container of games ! My 8 year old wouldnt do
that !!
What , with ALL your inside industry contacts and ALL your pinball
friends around the planet you have to take a GUESS and gamble from a
CLASSIFEDS advert. WHERE ARE YOUR MATES AND CONTACTS ?????? I know
private collectors who can import thier own stuff, sight unseen HIGHLY
succesfully without having to scroll classifieds ads where the
knowledgable people mainly trade parts - not containers. WHY would you
not make contact with your oversea's freinds to organise games , dont
you have any there either?
Have I missed something people? Is this REALLY what WaynO did and now
CONTINUES TO COMPLAIN.
SURELY I am reading this wrongly?
Hey BUYBEST@AOL - Ya still backing the blunder - cause you have gone
deadly silent too mate !!!
By the way Daina - yor site is TERRIFIC and I have used it MANY times
to succesfully trade parts with NO problems - it is a shame that he
who shares the same name ( as if thats not bad eneough for your site )
now drags you into HIS LARGE MISTAKE.
Oh - and WHERE is your website ????
BUY...@aol.com
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> On Feb 22, 6:48 am, brainsnap <brains...@kooee.com.au> wrote:
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> > On Feb 22, 9:43 pm, Ballypinball <sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote:
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> > > On Feb 18, 10:02 am, Les Manley <inet...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Feb 17, 5:21 am, Ballypinball <sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote:
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> > > > > Update, after dozens of calls and promises, Nothing
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> > > > > Another Australian guy also got burnt, poor condition Machines,
> > > > > missing heaps of parts.
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> > > > > These guys are scum, Be warned as i heard a US guy was looking at
> > > > > dealing with them also.
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> > > > > So just to recap we bought a container of games and there were games
> > > > > missing and others substituted with lower value games.
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> > > > > The games we received were not as pictured.
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> > > > > I will be setting a website up with all their details and emails
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> > > > Umm...didn't you get the memo about RGP Etiquette and reviving threads
> > > > over 36 hours old? I am going to go ahead and get you another copy of
> > > > that memo... :)
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> > > Sent Mr Pinball Classifieds an email, since that's where i got burnt
> > > from
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Not so bloody vocal no hey - FOOL
FLYING HIGH DA900EX
and said they would come to the hotel and we'd go look at the pins. I
got there and NO contact ever made!! I called and emailed!! Clearly
they were looking for a USA buyer that would send them the $$ without
ever looking at the games!!! Rule 1. Never buy without looking
first!!! E