The Truth about Chris Hutchins and his pins ....
gpc...@yahoo.com
Hutchins
I've never been a big fan of TAF as I thought the game was a lot of
stop and go with little flow and most of the ones I've played have been
pretty blown out
This one is different
First, let's be really clear, Chris is the number one restorer of
pinball machines in the history of the hobby
No one is even close on a full time professional basis
When I hear Grover talking about putting "stickers" on a machine and
how it is "better than nothing", it shows how little he really knows
about pinball
The game Chris did for me has new decals, a new IPB playfield and just
about everything else that was remade for TAF and the game is awesome
Better than any game Mr. Grover ever had
You have to see it, play it, listen to it, touch it, to really believe
what Chris has accomplished with his work
Chris is pure talent in every way
Anyway, if you are looking for an absolutely beautiful pinball machine
restored to better than new in the box standards ....
Call Chris Hutchins ....
His games are worth every single penny ....
take care ...
Gary/Arizona
nomad
from Chris
Hutchins. I've never been a big fan of TAF as I thought the game was a
lot of
stop and go with little flow..."
Bravo! Another piece for the musuem line up. And everybody is aware of
what work Chris does, you can remove your nose from his ass since you
did pay him to do this.
nomad
Fred Kemper
chuck
gpc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Maybe you've never accomplished anything where credit has been
> deserved, so you wouldn't understand, but Chris deserves a big thumbs
> up.
>
> take care
>
> =)
>
> Gary/Arizona
Well Gary,
Your joke of a radio career shows you havent accomplished much where
credit has been deserved...
Your welcome to resume trolling.
Kevin L'Heureux
Gary said,
>
>
> "First, let's be really clear, Chris is the number one restorer of
> pinball machines in the history of the hobby
>
> No one is even close on a full time professional basis"
>
> Gary/Arizona
No disrespect to Chris but when you make statements like this you
disrespect gentlemen such as Ray Johnson
http://www.aros.net/~rayj/action/index.htm who have proven themselves
as (full time) master restorers for many years before you even owned a
pinball machine. If you had known about Ray's work you wouldn't make
this blanket statement.
Once again you go blabbing about something without knowing all the details.
--
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Manic
off it again... I thought he got flushed.
"Kevin L'Heureux" <tv-s...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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EastIowa...@gmail.com
Lots of guys out there that can do that type of work.
It makes a HUGE diff what the pay is on how far a guy is going to go.
This must be your way of justifying to yourself what you paid :)
Just remember just because you can't do that type of work doesn't mean
there aren't plenty of others out there that can.
Tom
kirb
gpc...@yahoo.com wrote:
ahhh, man, dickhead is back. We went almost a month without the a-hole.
jobless radio hack....
> First, let's be really clear, Chris is the number one restorer of
> pinball machines in the history of the hobby
your opinion.
> No one is even close on a full time professional basis
How much did you pay, again?
> When I hear Grover talking about putting "stickers" on a machine and
> how it is "better than nothing", it shows how little he really knows
> about pinball
Coming from a guy who knows NOTHING....Ever figure out how to change a
coin door moron?
> Better than any game Mr. Grover ever had
compare prices.
> You have to see it, play it, listen to it, touch it, to really believe
> what Chris has accomplished with his work
The only sense I need is smell- the smell of your nose planted firmly
up CH's ass.
> His games are worth every single penny ....
So, how many plays do you plan to put on this game? 10?
> take care ...
>
> Gary/Arizona
Crawl back under your rock
Kirb
jackpot
Neil.
lbarr...@aol.com
Anybody can take a game that may look like a POS and make it look new
again with all new stuff. I have rebuilt over 1000 games in the last 18
years, Some come out looking great, others not so great. But give me
all new art work, playfield, ramps, stickers, decals, etc...etc...etc.
and I can do it up just as good as the best of them. It's great that
you give credit to your guy, but I assure you that he is not the only
one that can restore pins.
Craig
CARGPB#23
kirb
gpc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Manic ...
>
> This thread is about Chris Hutchins
>
> and the quality of his work ....
>
> so let me ask you this question:
>
> How many CH pins do you have in your house, or should I say in your
> parents house?
>
> just wondering ...
>
> Gary/Arizona
He isn't a stupid a-hole who thinks that you can shell out $$$ to make
a collection. Some of us have pride in what we do.
You know, like pride in a job well done....wait, you wouldn't know what
that is. You pay others to do work for you. No pride at all.
Kirb
kirb
gpct...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I was just giving Chris some credit for a job that was better than
> expected
No, you were trolling.
Re-read your post. It reaks of the self-serving crap you are known for.
You don't know much about pinball. You are short sighted and narrow
minded about the skilled people in this hobby. Not just your "guy of
the day" resto-person. Get a clue and quit trying to stir up your
normal troll long-assed thread.
You never did say how much you paid again.....
Kirb
nomad
played maybe you should buy some diapers or better yet, put the money
away for your kid's education because the kid is gonna need plenty of
it considering the gene pool he comes from.
nomad
nomad
Garweee!!
nomad
dsup...@aol.com
Good idea, Nomad! Go fix your POA too, so I can come over and break it
with my mere presence ;)
Brian
nomad
TZ flippers are shot and the diverter rod for the mini-pf snapped too.
I'm glad I only host the pin league every couple months!
nomad
dsup...@aol.com
Todd, or Chris.....:)
Brian
kirb
gpc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Kirb,
>
> Your hatred for me is weird
I don't hate anyone, I just think you are a trolling tool.
> If you are jealous because your collection is crap, then go do
> something about it
>
> Don't just slam me and thing it will clean up your dirty games
Nice try at a starting another long troll thread to feed your sick ego.
Glad you are happy with your games restored by someone else who may do
a fantastic job, but charges you up the ass. Some people take pride in
spending tons of cash, some take pride in a job well done. Hope you
enjoy looking at your games. I'm going to play mine....
so, how much did you pay again? If you are going to steer people to CH,
at least give them a baseline. How much did he charge you for this
fantastic TAF? Quit avoiding the question.
Kirb
Koz Pinlicious
i think it is safe to assume chris charges gary as much as possible to
off-set the irritation of having to deal with him in the first place
:-)
chris does do killer work, no-one who has posted here would deny that.
props to chris and his dedication to his trade.
gary, while your game may sparkle like a diamond right now, no amont of
clearcoating is gonna hide the flaws with that ipb taf pf. was your
original pf so blown out that you couldn't use that one instead?
luckily i read all your moronic posts before you deleted them, yet
again. i was thinking about it, and i think you SHOULD continue to
delete them. they serve zero purpose and will just clog up a search
effort.
gary p. cubeta, you sad sad man...
Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)
Christopher Hutchins
I was not going to comment on the thread(even privately) at all since I
felt like it was just Gary's opinion and I can't control what he or anyone
else does.Anyone that knows or has dealt with me knows that is not my
style.Since you feel the need to insult me or insinuate that I over charged
anyone then I take that personally.
Where is the proof I charged him or anyone else "up the ass"?You speculate
as much as Gary does.
Not that I need to justify it but I don't sell games.I locate them and
restore them sometimes but never sell.
To answer your question directly I spent two months restoring the TAF for
Gary.My cut was $2000.
$2000 to find the base game,gather the parts,drill the playfield,clear it
,completely strip the game inside and out,restore the cabinet,clean all the
parts,repair and replace all the various hardware,get the game back
together,make it work all the way,crate it up,pay for the
space,light,insurance,handle all the emails,set up shipping.
Wow!To think this is how I take care of my family and I made all that
money.
If you want to rip Gary apart over his comments and opinions go ahead
that's between you guys but don't include me or make comments you have no
basis for.
I have seen sellers mark games up much higher and do nothing to them.
Christopher Hutchins
www.highendpins.com
"kirb" <kirb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Bryan Kelly
you think he "charges up the ass" for his restorations. The way I see
it, it makes no difference what Chris charges. My understanding is,
he's busy as can be and therefore must have customers that don't mind
paying what he charges.
I've seen Chris' work and if I didn't do my own, I'd hire him in a
minute.
But then, being the anal kind of guy I am, I wouldn't mind being
charged up the ass. :-)
Bryan (CARGPB14) http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
"Warning! Achtung! Run away, Run away!: BK restorations may emit a
shower of sparks or flames or both. Keep a safe distance (like four
city blocks). Never return to a restoration once lit. Hot hot hot!"
(Sig line compliments of Clive at the Coin-Op Cauldron.)
Chester County Pinball
tour of the world take to visit every person that restores machines to
insure that your assesment of his work is above any other persons
capabilities?
Your game is probably beautiful. Your statement is a bit over the edge,
and could be seen as an insult to many that pride themselves in
knowledge, and craftmanship.
Your reponses to many in this thread are insightful as to your level of
comfort with yourself.
Robert
chuck
he spent that kinda money and used an IPB third playfield??? only
gary.....
Bob Rentzer
> Better than any game Mr. Grover ever had
> Gary/Arizona
Gary:
I took personal exception to the above comment, since it proclaimed
that a restored Adams Family could be better than a mint DP Funhouse.
You *might* have had a basis to speculate on that *if* I had not sent
you photos of my FH after I got it from Grover, so your comment was way
over the top, unless you truly believe your TAF is better than my FH.
If you think that, just ask yourself this question: if my mint DP FH
and a Chris Hutchins' "better than new" restored FH were both put up
for sale at the same time and place, which one would bring the higher
price?
BUT, despite your put down of my FH from Grover and implication I would
have done better to spend less and get a restored Hutchins' FH, I saw
no need to claim you were trolling with your post and I didn't take it
that way. I think those who did take it that way let the past influence
their reaction. I bet if someone else... almost anyone else... had
authored that post the initial comments which disagreed with it would
not have had the same harsh tone and the string would not have turned
ugly. That's the trouble with this newsgroup as there are far too many
personal attacks introduced into subjects which start out on a pinball
topic and then degenerate into spitting contests.
As I see it, you were probably very excited over TAF when you got it
and were breathless (although not wordless) about how it appeared, so
you let your enthusiasm dictate the content of your gushing post.
While I assume that most everyone thinks as highly as you do of the
jobs Chris does, from what I have gathered over the ten months I have
discovered this RGP, there appear to be others who are just as highly
regarded when it comes to doing exceptional restoration jobs. If
memory serves correctly, I believe I have seen posts praising Bill
Davis and Chad Keller, but you can correct me if I am wrong. And if you
do express a different opinion I will not take offense (although others
may) and I just hope this post has not offended you (or anyone else)
since that was not my intent as I am simply expressing my honest
opinion.
Bob
Fred Kemper
fine work, and many more that have never heard
of Chris as well.
--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
******************
<lbarr...@aol.com> wrote
gpc...@yahoo.com
With all respect, Chris does the best work in the country
I've bought enough pins to know what is good, bad and so-so
A lot of people are jealous of Chris, because he has the talent and
business savy to do this full-time
That's life ....
This hobby is so full of jealousy that it should almost be part of the
name
The "pinball jealousy hobby"
All I am saying is that the rest of you who want your pins MINTED out,
you better get in touch with Chris fast, because I plan on keeping him
busy through 2007
It's like reserving a slot on the space shuttle or something
Do it fast and do it now or get left back on earth
As far as the price goes ... A brand new in Addams in 1992 would run
you about $3500 shipped ... with inflation that $3500 would be about
$5400 today ... mneawhile there is a certain rarity about having one of
the 10 nicest Addams in the country
So in short, Chris was kind enough to let me "steal" the game from him
He works virtually for free when you factor in the original cost of the
game plus inflation, plus the rarity of the thing
That's all ...
=)
Gary/Arizona
Fred Kemper
you for getting it. I can't see spending that
kind of money on any pin unless is was truly
a one-of-a-kind or something.
You are also correct in saying you don't need
to justify anything to anybody here, and probably
shouldn't.
--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
******************
"Christopher Hutchins" <highe...@NOSPAMalltel.net> wrote
Bob Rentzer
gpc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Robert,
>
> With all respect,
Gary:
No problem and thanks for a non-confrontational reply.
Bob
Josh A.
> Where is the proof I charged him or anyone else "up the ass"?
Given the dopey way that gary acted toward you earlier this year, Kirb
probably figured that it was the only way you would have agreed to do
business with him. Many people charge premiums in order to do deals
with morons. Kudos to you for not.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/msg/adcd124d04c2a8f3
gpc...@yahoo.com
What have you ever accomplished in your life where you have the right
to call anyone a moron?
Not nice ...
Chris and I had issues a long time ago, I admitted that I was wrong
about him and now I do business with him
I was wrong, something that very few up here would ever admit to
take care ...
=)
Gary/Arizona
Gman3
and zero fade original cab that was second to none ( ask some people
that saw it in person ) to even step up to my old funhouse ? MAYBE 3
fields in existance were as nice as that field. cab was also one of a
kind, except it was drilled in the front ( which i did not hide, and no
lockbar was ever installed ) but it was drilled to go on route since it
was a sample game, but never made it there.
you can take any of the 5000 trashed out funhouses out there and slap
overlays, redo fields and cab decals on with repro ramps and parts and
make one *look* new. nothing special about that or original about it.
just have to pay someone to do the work or do it yourself.
gary, you have a what was a trashed out turd, which htere are roughly
8000 of those on the planet and ALL can be turned into the game you
have.
your ignorance has you running around behind private e-mails like a
little kid comparing repro games to rare sample originals.
you can take any trashed out Fiero and make it into a Lamborghini with
a new kit, but you DON'T have a real Lamborghini and never will ;-)
now you are embarassing chris to no end and stamping your utter
ignorance in google FOREVER.
bob and MANY others, don't want simply done up what were turd taf's and
fh's but true original factory games, probably is, it is easier to just
throw money out the window to get the games you buy gary, instead of
taking months or even years to find that original cherry game.
for the cash you are paying you could find cherry ass huo games BUT you
don't have the connections or leads to find those games so you run the
easy way to find a like new looking game but are not rare and will
never hold their value. shit, i bet noone would even want to sell you
their cherry ass original since they know you wouldn't appreciate it,
so they would rather sell for less to someone else who would play and
appreciate the game. nor do you have the determination to hunt these
types of games down yourself.
Gary and his REPRO TAF ( estimate )
2500 for basic game
2000 for chris's effort ( in my book invaluable )
500 shipping ( game to chris and game to gary )
100 crating
170 plastics
50 new bookcase and parts
250 cab decals
75 new rails
150 mods
150 in misc. parts ( flipper rebuilds, pops, sleeves etc. )
450 IPB field
200 clearcoat and touch-ups on IPB repro field
total 6595 ( my guestimate )
i have NO CLUE what the actual costs were, but this was made from my
common sense judgement.
so before i drop that kinda cash, why wouldn't one hunt down a perfect
original which will hold it's value...
please continue to post and destroy yourself and embarass others along
the way...
Donnie Barnes
> Too much money to me, but more power to
> you for getting it. I can't see spending that
> kind of money on any pin unless is was truly
> a one-of-a-kind or something.
You can't see *spending* it, but I'm guessing that if you put the time in
that Chris did on that pin you wouldn't have had a problem *charging* for
it.
> You are also correct in saying you don't need
> to justify anything to anybody here, and probably
> shouldn't.
Very true. Chris, get back to work on my pins! ;-)
--Donnie
--
Donnie Barnes http://www.donniebarnes.com 879. V.
gpc...@yahoo.com
The guy who put the Creature up here the other day for $4195, then
everyone sees the pictures and suddenly the price drops $1000
With no explanation
Bet it still didn't sell ....
Note to Donnie Barnes: Donnie, I apologize for not appreciating the
fact that you were the first to discover a real talent ... you are a
lot sharper than I thought
=)
Gary/Arizona
Donnie Barnes
> Real smooth, Kirb. I'm sure Chris will be happy as can be to know that
> you think he "charges up the ass" for his restorations. The way I see
> it, it makes no difference what Chris charges. My understanding is,
> he's busy as can be and therefore must have customers that don't mind
> paying what he charges.
I'm happy to be a paying customer of High End Pins. I feel like I pay a
*lot* to get each pin done. Yet every time Chris exceeds my expectations
on the game and I feel like I got more than my money's worth. Besides
that, try finding anywhere you can send a game to and *know* you're going
to get it back in a reasonable time frame and *know* you're going to get a
truly great and professional job. Given how few places there even are to
get a game done like this, I think Chris' prices are fair.
> I've seen Chris' work and if I didn't do my own, I'd hire him in a
> minute.
That's a pretty damned good endorsement from someone who does work like
this. The single biggest difference between Chris and Bryan's work is that
Bryan only does his own machines. Out of the folks I can think of that do
*this* level of restoration work, there simply aren't many who will do it
for hire.
> But then, being the anal kind of guy I am, I wouldn't mind being
> charged up the ass. :-)
T. M. I.!!! :-)
kirb
First of all, I have never seen your work. I know from people that I
trust that your work is fantastic. You charge what you feel is fair for
that work. People pay that. Fine. I am not trying to say you ripped
anyone off, or that you have some kind of scam going. You provide a
high end service and you can be proud of your work.
My entire point is that YOU are not alone in being able to do fantastic
creations which Gary seems to think you are (no fault of your own).
When someone comes on here saying that you are the one great restore
person in this hobby while dismissing others is a joke. The side point
I also had was COST. Many here cannot or would not pay the kind of
money it takes to do these restos by someone else.
I have no problem with your business. Good luck to you.
Kirb
kirb
Bryan Kelly wrote:
> Real smooth, Kirb. I'm sure Chris will be happy as can be to know that
> you think he "charges up the ass" for his restorations. The way I see
> it, it makes no difference what Chris charges. My understanding is,
> he's busy as can be and therefore must have customers that don't mind
> paying what he charges.
I didn't say it in the other post...
I am sorry for the comment I made regarding CH. It was not fair and he
does not deserve that.
Kirb
Manic
one thing right - I ran out of room here at home so the "B-list"
titles *are* ending up in my folk's basement ;-)
--
*Because John Shields HATES to see people's collections:*
M.M, C.V, N.G.G, T.O.M, J.Y, N.F, J.D, P.M, J.M,
Shad*w, C.F.T.B.L, A.F.M, F.T, W.W, L.O.T.R, T.S.P.P
"kirb" <kirb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> gpc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Manic ...
> >
> > This thread is about Chris Hutchins
> >
> > and the quality of his work ....
> >
> > so let me ask you this question:
> >
> > How many CH pins do you have in your house, or should I say in your
> > parents house?
> >
> > just wondering ...
> >
> > Gary/Arizona
>
> He isn't a stupid a-hole who thinks that you can shell out $$$ to make
> a collection. Some of us have pride in what we do.
>
> You know, like pride in a job well done....wait, you wouldn't know what
> that is. You pay others to do work for you. No pride at all.
>
> Kirb
>
Manic
the rgp dingleberry's
penchant for paying top dollar to have someone *else* do
absolutely everything. I'm surprised you would feel the need to
respond or be defensive. Certainly no need.
Well I just remembered you actually have your *name* in the
thread title so maybe that has something to do with it ;-)
So since he is gonna crow about spending his money I'll
figure: 3K or so for the TAF - 1K for parts (including PF)
2K for your work - 300 for shipping, etc...
So gawee paid roughly $6500 for a TAF with the IPB
PF... not saying there is anything right/wrong about it
but I like to get a handle on what things run these days.
And your cut sure seems *beyond* reasonable actually -
I'd have charged a lot more to deal with the initial
ass-kissing that will always turn into venom sooner
or later. Happens everytime with this character.
"Christopher Hutchins" <highe...@NOSPAMalltel.net> wrote in message
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Christopher Hutchins
Gary and RGP in general.
I myself have had feuds with him as well but I will provide the service
to anyone that is would like to use it.I can only control one thing about
all this and that is the quality of my own work.I know there are others out
there that do great work.I never said anything to the contrary.Gary's
opinions are just that his opinions.Glad he is happy with the game no doubt
there are better ways to express that but I can't be included just because
he is talking about me unless I were trying to lend some validity to the
post. I just provide a service restoring pins for many different people .Not
much more complicated than that.
In response to the actual cost of the game I think it came in around $5500
and that is what I sold the one to Buddy for as well.Not that it really
matters but I do think it is relevant since others want to speculate.The
beauty of doing this kind of restoration is that the starting platform is
not all that important. The base game can be very cheap if the
playfield,plastics and cabinet appearance are not a concern .
--
Christopher Hutchins
www.highendpins.com
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mikeo
Mike O.
Donnie Barnes
> Note to Donnie Barnes: Donnie, I apologize for not appreciating the
> fact that you were the first to discover a real talent ... you are a
> lot sharper than I thought
Gee, err, thanks. But I wasn't the first. I think it was members of the
Charlotte Pinball Mafia that first "discovered" Chris.
metallik
you do fussing over how pretty they are and how much they're worth, you
could probably take Lyman's team in pinbrawl.. sheesh, retzner's post
was 3 paragraphs in defense of some perceived knock on his precious
funhouse, and this below looks worse (admittedly, I didn't read either
one past the first few sentences)
Gman3
but i'll need to put in a 24-7 practice schedule for the next 15 yrs.
straight to start competing with the big boys, don't think my bunch of
thrown together bs posting took more than 5 seconds out of my day...
DAGREATG...@aol.com
give 2 fucs whos games look like what?
Some of you guys are the geeks of all geeks...
This board is one way to get some real entertainment. Every time I read
shit like this I think "it must really suck to have to sit at a
computer and defend how my pinball machines look"
talk about loserville USA...population you.
How pathetic....
CTPINS
work and the other you clean replace rubbers , rebuild flippers and
adjust all switches etc say $50.00 then blind fold Gary and make him
pick the better game think he or anyone could ? I like a nice game as
well as the next guy but some people take it to far !
Bob Rentzer
metallik wrote:
>sheesh, retzner's post was 3 paragraphs in defense of some perceived
> knock on his precious funhouse, and this below looks worse (admittedly, I > didn't read either one past the first few sentences)
Only the first paragraph was on my "precious" (expensive) FH ... in
which I publicly correcting Gary. That paragraph was not directed to
you and did not warrant your sarcastic remark, since my comment to Gary
was a matter of personal privilege. Take a look at any book on debates
(such as Robert's Rules of Order or Demeter's Rules) and you will have
a better understanding of the concept of "personal privilege." Too bad
you didn't read on to the second and third paragraphs as you might have
found something appropriate to comment on, since those paragraphs were
addressed not only to Gary but the RGP in general. Those comments are
still there if you decide to read on, since they will remain
indefinitely.
Bob
Bob Rentzer
"... in which I was publicly correcting Gary."
Bob
cpiel
Yeah, guys talking pinball on a pinball newsgroup is just as silly as
guys talking cars on a cars newsgroup huh?
So DAGREAT, be careful . . . your 1 worthless post may turn you into a
pin geek!! LOL!
Gman3
play on all the time as well :-)
kinda like those old shoes you can never toss out :-P
Old Key West
quoting something from 'Robert's Rules of Order?' On a newsgroup? I'm
not sure what is funnier, that or this whole ridiculous thread.
Jim
Chester County Pinball
before you made this statement? I have no doubt that your machine is
beautiful.
Your statement is in the context of limited available perception unless
you had seen all the machines ever restored, not just the games that
you have seen, but rather all of the restorations that have been done.
Why not just rest on the pleasure of the game you hope to enjoy?
Robert
Bob Rentzer
Old Key West wrote:
> Did you just defend yourself by by
> quoting something from 'Robert's Rules of Order?' On a newsgroup?
To give you a direct answer, "No, I did not 'defend' myself." I simply
pointed out that a personal comment directed to one specific person is
not an invitation for a response to that comment by someone else, even
if it is posted publicly. I mentioned Robert's since it serves as a
common sense approach to any debate and is worth reading. It offers
some insight into what is considered appropriate behavior. And, in
view of your above comment, I'd treat you to the $4.50 that the pocket
book edition costs, if you would promise to read it, because I think
you would gain from that fundamental knowledge. Please know that I am
serious about sending you the $4.50, so just send me a Paypal invoice.
> I'm not sure what is funnier, that or this whole ridiculous thread.
Jim: Glad my post and this entire thread served to bring a little
humor into your day. After all, they say that laughter is the best
medicine for what ails a person. (I'd provide the source of that
quote, but I fear that you would censure me for offering that on a
newsgroup as well).
Bob
Old Key West
Does that $4.50 include shipping? Or does that come out of my pocket?
Jim
Bob Rentzer
Old Key West wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Does that $4.50 include shipping? Or does that come out of my pocket?
LOL :-)
And if you would like the source of Laughter Is The Best Medicine I
would offer it up... providing you won't flame me for that too.
Bob
Old Key West
Bob Rentzer
Old Key West wrote:
> ;-)
I'll take that as a "yes."
The saying "Laughter, the Best Medicine" may have come from the heading
of a long standing Reader's Digest Magazine column that goes back to
about when the magazine first began. Speculation is that the Reader's
Digest author was inspired by Proverb 17:22 in The Book of Proverbs, "A
merry heart doeth good like a medicine, but a broken spirit drieth the
bones."
Now don't flame me for quoting from the Book of Proverbs on a
newsgroup. I can't help where it came from. :-)
Bob
PT
weeks without your troll posts.
I'd rather have a sister in a whore house than a brother who's a troll.
John
Manic
finger around to claim how dirty the *others* all look ;-)
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> Damn, I thought you were gone Gary. It was so nice for the last few
> weeks without your troll posts.
>
> I'd rather have a sister in a whore house than a brother who's a troll.
Ok since we are discussing quotes... where did *this* one come
from? An original perhaps? ;-)
>
> John
>
PT
>come from? An original perhaps? ;-)
I wish I could claim it as original. I heard it at work from a guy who
used to be a nuke missile tech in the Navy onboard submarines. He was
pissed of one day at work as we lost yet another benefit and said "I'd
rather have a sister in a whore house than a brother in Human
Resources".
If you have ever worked in a modern corporate environment you will
fully agree with that statement - as I did.
John
metallik
> which I publicly correcting Gary. That paragraph was not directed to
> you and did not warrant your sarcastic remark, since my comment to Gary
Funny, gary and kirb's argument wasn't directed at you either, yet you
felt the need to defend your machine's honor (or whatever you call it).
Gotta love the irony. Also, you didn't "correct" anyone.
> was a matter of personal privilege. Take a look at any book on debates
> (such as Robert's Rules of Order or Demeter's Rules) and you will have
> a better understanding of the concept of "personal privilege." Too bad
I couldn't care less what those books say, since those books don't
apply to USENET. If you want to have an online penis-size contest,
expect comments from the peanut gallery :)
> you didn't read on to the second and third paragraphs as you might have
> found something appropriate to comment on, since those paragraphs were
I went back and read them.. all I can really say is that your legal
profession shows. Lots of words, little meaning.. still not sure what
your point was. All I gotta say is, with regard to your saying:
"I took personal exception to the above comment, since it proclaimed
that a restored Adams Family could be better than a mint DP Funhouse. "
... anyone who will take "personal exception" to some stupid, flippant
usenet comment *just* because it MIGHT be interpreted as saying a
particular pinball machine they own MIGHT not be as nice as they
think.. jeez dude, get a life!
Fred Kemper
to me, so that's not a fair comparison.
I often do quite a bit for nothing, and rarely make
anything on reconditioned pinball machines.
I've put many hours in some games, and sold
them for less than I paid for them. Some are
traded, and others I've even given away.
At best, I'm in this to the point of it being "self
sustaining", but more often than not, it isn't....
--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
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"Donnie Barnes" <djbSPA...@donniebarnes.com> wrote
> On Sun, 23 Oct, Fred Kemper wrote:
> > Too much money to me, but more power to
> > you for getting it. I can't see spending that
> > kind of money on any pin unless is was truly
> > a one-of-a-kind or something.
>
> You can't see *spending* it, but I'm guessing that if you put the time in
> that Chris did on that pin you wouldn't have had a problem *charging* for
> it.
Donnie Barnes
> That's not true in my case. It's not about money
> to me, so that's not a fair comparison.
>
> I often do quite a bit for nothing, and rarely make
> anything on reconditioned pinball machines.
>
> I've put many hours in some games, and sold
> them for less than I paid for them. Some are
> traded, and others I've even given away.
>
> At best, I'm in this to the point of it being "self
> sustaining", but more often than not, it isn't....
Okay, fine. But what is your point in saying *anything* like "more power
to you if you can get it." That's sounds condemning in some way. It seems
like your point is that it's somehow "better" to be in this hobby purely
for enjoyment and not for money at all.
I'd agree *if* there were a shortage of good people in the hobby that help
one another out and are willing to do things for their buddies. But there
isn't. It's not a hobby full of pimps. There are a few, but this hobby
isn't driven by them.
What's worse is that people like Chris, who do a great job for a fair
price, seem to get caught in some cross fire that's a combination of
outright attack and innuendo and snide condemnation. I just don't
understand why people here aren't thankful that this hobby is strong enough
that it can sustain folks like Chris. Sure, it might make some titles and
some rare parts more valuable by virtue of keeping more big pocket
collectors around, but ultimately it will likely help even more by getting
more parts reproduced, too. I see it as a win-win. I'd like to see more
businesses that could be sustained by pinball.
And no, I don't expect folks like yourself to run out thanking Chris for
what he does. You don't need his services and wouldn't use them. That's
fine. But what purpose did your initial comments serve, then? Maybe I
just misread them, but they seemed at least overtly condemning.
--Donnie
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Fred Kemper
"hobby" is just that for most folks. No different
to me. Chris felt the need to "defend" something
IMO, he dosesn't have to. If he does, I guess he's
going to get what he and others may consider as
"flack". I'm sure he does a fine job, although I've
never seen anything done by him, either.
Get out of the kitchen is my best advice, then.
As for me, yes, I'm not, nor ever will be a customer
of his. Nor will I be a customer of anyone else that
does the type of work he does. Yes, to me, it's
silly to spend that kind of money on a pin. I stated
that at the beginning. I also do not believe a game
done in such a manner is "worth more" or "better than NIB"
than a non-molested pin in a similar condition. I also
(at this point), could care less if new parts are made
for old games. We'll get by just as we have been for years.
My guess is you're going to see even fewer businesses
supported by pinball. The customers aren't supporting
them...
(And you can still buy a NEW pin for less money.)
You implied that I would _have_ to charge for my services
if I spent the time Chris does on a game. I'm stating
that isn't so. He stated a figure in his post, and I see
that to be too much money. Just an observation, not
a condemnation. And no, it doesn't somehow make
me or anyone else "better" for doing something for
just the hobby.
That's been beat to death around here...
--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
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"Donnie Barnes" <djbSPA...@donniebarnes.com> wrote
> On Mon, 24 Oct, Fred Kemper wrote:
jackpot
Neil.
JDix
Some people like this sort of thing and some don't. Chris does
excellent work. I have played pins done by him and they are great.
Would I ever have him do a pin for me? No. Not becasue he doesn't do
a good job but because 1) I enjoy working on pins myself and 2) I can't
afford it.
The only thing to remember is for every customer that Chris or any
other "High End" restorer gets, there are 50 people who do it
themselves on a budget. Pinball is not and never should be a hobby for
the rich. There are a handful of collectors out there who have a
S$%^load of $$$$ and dropping $8K restoring a pin is no big deal. They
will always solicit the restorers. The rest of us will keep doing it
ourselves for what we deem a reasonable amount of money.
So the bottom line:
Those that use high end restorers: Good for you, . . I hope you love
the games but don't gloat that that is the only way to do it and your
games are the best
Those that don't use high end restorers: Good for us, . . .We love our
games too, but that doesn't make our games any better than theirs.
Good pins are good pins. There are several ways to get them there, and
I could care less which route people choose.
PinballShark
joining in, but you guys have already beat Gary to a pulp - there's
nothing left. Good work. I especially enjoyed Gman's comments. I guess
i just have one thing to add, the only reason ass clown gary posted
this was to gloat and puff up his ego. Chris H. doesn't need props to
get work, he's already well established and has more work than he can
probably handle, you did this for your own self gratification. Why
don't you post things like" I learned how to get the playfield glass
off today" or "i replaced my sling shot plastics" Instead of "I just
spent a bunch of money to have someone do everything". Why do even like
this hobby? You don't have an ounce of appreciation for the game.
kirb
Amen, brother. The post had nothing to do with CH's restoration and
everything to do with flashing money around. A comment like "the one
with the most CH pins when they die wins" or "you guys are just
jealous" does not come from someone who enjoys the game.
Collecting a game to show off more than play is somewhat mind boggling.
Kirb
Mark Salas
> Collecting a game to show off more than play is somewhat mind boggling.
... and throwing out comments pertaining to your ability to do all of
your own work is condesending to those of us that do not. I read one of
your messages on this thread last night and got that distinct
impression. I am more in the middle of you and Gary as I am not
completetly helpless (I can fix most repairs) but certainly don't do
playfield swaps, board work (extensive).
So yes, I have bought all of my machines running with no error reports.
My machines are in nice shape. Maybe not TC or CH, but they are fine to
me (MM, MB, CV, AFM, and Sopr)
kirb
Mark Salas wrote:
> > Collecting a game to show off more than play is somewhat mind boggling.
>
> ... and throwing out comments pertaining to your ability to do all of
> your own work is condesending to those of us that do not. I read one of
> your messages on this thread last night and got that distinct
> impression. I am more in the middle of you and Gary as I am not
> completetly helpless (I can fix most repairs) but certainly don't do
> playfield swaps, board work (extensive).
>
> So yes, I have bought all of my machines running with no error reports.
Last time I checked, you didn't come on here bragging to everyone about
your sweet games. I also don't think you are buying games to use as
show pieces to look at and never play.
I do not assume that everyone can fix a game. Much of the design of
these games is far outside of most people's skill level. You missed my
point if you think I am bagging on all who don't know the games inside
and out.
Don't take comments about one troll and apply them to you.
Kirb
Bob Rentzer
metallik wrote:
> Funny, gary and kirb's argument wasn't directed at you either, yet you
> felt the need to defend your machine's honor (or whatever you call it).
> Gotta love the irony.
If you love irony, how about your own comment (10/20 12:02 p.m.) on
the subject, "WTB: NOS Yellow lightning flippers" where you stated:
"There's nothing wrong with thinking that decals are inferior to
original... but it's rude to (repeatedly) spout out unsolicited
criticism, tearing down this guy's restoration, for no other reason
than to inflate your own ego. That's not 'competition' .. it's just
rude."
To see the irony, replace your reference to "tearing down this guy's
restoration" (in your above 10/20 statement), with your prior 10/20
2:01 comment in *this* string, "Retzner's post was 3 paragraphs in
defense of some perceived knock on his precious funhouse"
But maybe you see a distinction and still don't think that your
unsolicited criticism of me and my "precious" FH wasn't rude by your
own definition.
> ... anyone who will take "personal exception" to some stupid, flippant
> usenet comment
Your above statement appears to me to be just an excuse and snide way
to perpetuate your attack upon Gary in this string. I didn't regard
Gary's remark as stupid or flippant, I simply did not agree with it and
expressed that along with the reason why.
> *just* because it MIGHT be interpreted as saying a
> particular pinball machine they own MIGHT not be as nice as they
> think..
It wasn't just what *I* thought it was also what Grover thought and I
was supporting his views, but you seem to have ignored that entirely.
> jeez dude, get a life!
I mentioned earlier how some RGP strings tend to degenerate into
spitting contests and here you prove my point. Your ability to
constantly generate enough saliva to spit out unsolicited insults, puts
me in mind of that line in the Jackie Wilson song, Lonely Teardrops,
which goes, "Never Dry Up."
The bottom line here is that you can condemn Gary all you want just
don't condemn me for not joining you in your attacks. And don't get me
wrong here since I have found most of your posts and comments to be
quite worthwhile. In fact I especially agree with you that unsolicited
insults are rude by anyone's definition. And that includes the similar
views expressed by Major Henry M. Robert who formulated Robert's Rules
of Order, obviously not to be applied to newsgroups, but which have
merit in their concepts.
Bob
gpc...@yahoo.com
why you guys go so nuts when I give Chris credit for a great game
(please go back and read my original post)
I probably don't even have to mention it as anyone with a brain can
clearly see it
For the record, I have a lot of beater games here like SF2 and Pistol
Poker and I enjoy them as well. I probably couldn't give them away
I used to get slammed here because my collection didn't have enough
nice WMS titles .... Now I add the WMS titles and you guys don't like
that either
Some of you guys don't like very much of anything, do you?
=)
Gary/Arizona
metallik
> unsolicited criticism of me and my "precious" FH wasn't rude by your
> own definition.
Actually, this thread is just more of the same crap I was talking about
in *that* thread.. people who have nothing better to do than sit
online and brag about how nice their games are (you and that funhouse)
and how not-nice everyone else's games are (grover calling that FT
blown out).
> It wasn't just what *I* thought it was also what Grover thought and I
> was supporting his views, but you seem to have ignored that entirely.
Just the opposite - I called both you AND grover out on this crap. It
was not ignored at all.
> > jeez dude, get a life!
>
> I mentioned earlier how some RGP strings tend to degenerate into
> spitting contests and here you prove my point. Your ability to
> constantly generate enough saliva to spit out unsolicited insults, puts
Um, that wasn't an insult, it was a suggestion. Seriously.
> The bottom line here is that you can condemn Gary all you want just
> don't condemn me for not joining you in your attacks. And don't get me
I'm not condemning Gary at all.. he's just a troll, a pretty successful
one at that. I condemned you because you felt the need to jump in
*solely* to say that no, his TAF is NOT is nice as your "mint DP
Funhouse", and you want to make sure the whole of RGP knows that!
Wait, condemnation is way too strong a word, I just think you're nutty.
Tell me, how many people here are going to care which one of you has
nicer games?
Donnie Barnes
This is by far the best post of the thread.
And to answer one of Gary's posts...Sorry, Gary, but I'd still take a NIB
game over a CH restored game. I'd also never sit on it as an
investment...I'd uncrate that sucker and make it HUO and enjoy playing it.
I'm not going to even get into which one would "look" better. I think part
of the problem here too is that some of the people who are arguing with you
also don't like cleared playfields (especially those that didn't *need* it)
and we know some of them think decals are inferior no matter what. So this
argument is *done*. It's been boiled down to a matter of personal taste,
and nobody wins that argument. We know where everyone stands on it, so
there isn't any use debating further.
Mark Salas
Can you now help Gary turn on his games!!! :)
kirb
gpc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I used to get slammed here because my collection didn't have enough
> nice WMS titles .... Now I add the WMS titles and you guys don't like
> that either
>
> Some of you guys don't like very much of anything, do you?
You were slammed here for your attitude. No one would care WHAT
pinballs you have if you were a normal poster who didn't try to stir up
a hornet's nest when you post. You keep trying to turn the focus away
from YOU, Gary P Cubeta.
So, that radio gig you had. What happened? Not a lot of need for a
"left wing flame thrower" down in AZ?
You have avoided every question since you announced your fabulous web
page with little content....much like your show, I assume.
Kirb
kirb
Mark Salas wrote:
> Fair Enough Kirb.
>
> Can you now help Gary turn on his games!!! :)
You only need to turn them on if you intend on playing them. He doesn't
have that problem.
Isn't any worse than someone who buys a collectable car to let it sit
in a garage. The only thing that is different is that the car will
increase in value and a high priced pinball will be worth far less much
quicker.
Kirb
kirb
gpc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Kirb,
>
> Again more jealousy ...
Turn the attention away from you again. I could care a less about your
games. I don't like many of the titles you have. I would never own a
TAF unless it was cheap, for example.
> On one hand you argue that I am such a failure and on the other hand he
> is jealous because I have such "expensive" games
Actually, I was asking a question. You came on here puffing your chest
about your fabulous radio gig.
> You make zero sense ....
Try to keep up.
> I never had a "radio gig" as you call it
>
> Along with some friends of mine, we are working on starting a radio
> network
Not what you said back in the day. I guess I will have to wait to hear
your fabulous network when it gets picked up in Michigan. I won't hold
my breath, mr flame thrower.
> Is it easy, noooooo .....
>
> Is it even worth doing .... not sure
>
> but we have a better chance of accomplishing it if we keep an upbeat
> attitude, rather than just being jealous of everyone who is a success
> which seems to be your plan for the day
Sorry man, jealous of no one. You have nothing to be jealous of. Who
would want to be you? Really, think about that. You draw deserved fire
and feed on it. You live for it here. I guess you have me, in part, to
thank.
You are welcome
Kirb
jackpot
JUST HERE TO TROLL ??
Neil.
Manic
he's jealous of the unemployed" ;-)
You know if you guys would quit responding to the
rgp dingleberry my killfile would actually have a fighting
chance ;-)
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pinballjim
metallik wrote:
> Tell me, how many people here are going to care which one of you has
> nicer games?
I, for one, consider this very heavily when debating whether or not to
do business with someone. If they can't appreciate quality and own
fine machines, then I don't want what they're selling.
Nuff said.
metallik
Just can't keep you away from a good troll thread, eh? Get back to
slacking off on IRC :)