[paint] Painting Challenge 2006
John Hwang
Rules
1. Only ONE (1) entry per person per Category. People may compete in as
ANY Categories desired.
2. Only ONE (1) "28mm" figure per entry
Categories
1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
You may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up
to the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else
Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
2. 40k / WFB "Open" - an "Inquisitor" from either genre. You may use
ANY model and/or conversion that follows the Inquisitor theme. Basing
"counts", but models may only be mounted on standard-sized gaming bases
for their respective game system.
Entries
1. Post your entry on CMoN - Cool Mini or Not by December 1st, 2006.
2. Post a link to your entry in RGMW. by December 1st, 2006.
Scoring
Highest weighted score on CMoN on January 1st, 2007 wins.
Comentary
The OOTB category is just basic painting skills. The Open category is
to show off what you can do. Something for everyone.
OK, people, let's have some fun!
--
--- John Hwang "JohnHwang...@cs.com.no.com"
\-|-/
| A.K.D. F.E.M.C.
| Horned Blood Cross Terror LED Speed Jagd Destiny
Rob Singers
> 2. 40k / WFB "Open" - an "Inquisitor" from either genre. You may use
> ANY model and/or conversion that follows the Inquisitor theme. Basing
> "counts", but models may only be mounted on standard-sized gaming bases
> for their respective game system.
Inquisitor for WFB? I have nearly 4000 points of Dwarfs, I can't think of
anything a bit Inquisitorial about any of them.
--
Rob Singers
RGMW FAQ Maintainer. See it @ http://www.rgmw.org
Foemina Erit Ruina Tua
Spack
> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea John Hwang said
>
>> 2. 40k / WFB "Open" - an "Inquisitor" from either genre. You may use
>> ANY model and/or conversion that follows the Inquisitor theme. Basing
>> "counts", but models may only be mounted on standard-sized gaming bases
>> for their respective game system.
>
> Inquisitor for WFB? I have nearly 4000 points of Dwarfs, I can't think of
> anything a bit Inquisitorial about any of them.
>
Don't they have any models with fluffy pillows?
How about one with a moustache? Anyone with excess upper lip hair should be
eyed with suspicion, lest they be minions of the overseers (ginger and full
goatees excepted, although full Bellamy beards should be inspected closely
for hidden pictograms, small creatures, and the remains of yesterday's roast
boar).
--
Dan
http://www.ageofstrife.com
Rob Singers
> Don't they have any models with fluffy pillows?
The softest thing dwarfs have is beer and even that will put lead in your
pencil.
> How about one with a moustache? Anyone with excess upper lip hair
> should be eyed with suspicion, lest they be minions of the overseers
> (ginger and full goatees excepted, although full Bellamy beards should
> be inspected closely for hidden pictograms, small creatures, and the
> remains of yesterday's roast boar).
Well it sound slike you're channeling Obelisk.
Spack
> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea Spack said
>
>> Don't they have any models with fluffy pillows?
>
> The softest thing dwarfs have is beer and even that will put lead in your
> pencil.
>
>> How about one with a moustache? Anyone with excess upper lip hair
>> should be eyed with suspicion, lest they be minions of the overseers
>> (ginger and full goatees excepted, although full Bellamy beards should
>> be inspected closely for hidden pictograms, small creatures, and the
>> remains of yesterday's roast boar).
>
> Well it sound slike you're channeling Obelisk.
Nah, nothing to do with Necrons.
I never thought about it before, but maybe Obelix is a member of the Gaul
Inquisition. Fluffy pillow inside his clothes, evil moustache ... damn, I
think you're onto something there (not withstanding the tall pyramid topped
pillar)! Could Asterix be a Callidus using polymorph? Nobody could really be
that short (well, other than the aforementioned Dwarfs ...)
--
Dan
http://www.ageofstrife.com
FunkyD
John Hwang wrote:
> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
>
> Rules
>
> 1. Only ONE (1) entry per person per Category. People may compete in as
> ANY Categories desired.
>
> 2. Only ONE (1) "28mm" figure per entry
>
>
> Categories
>
> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
> You may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up
> to the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else
> Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
>
> 2. 40k / WFB "Open" - an "Inquisitor" from either genre. You may use
> ANY model and/or conversion that follows the Inquisitor theme. Basing
> "counts", but models may only be mounted on standard-sized gaming bases
> for their respective game system.
>
>
> Entries
>
> 1. Post your entry on CMoN - Cool Mini or Not by December 1st, 2006.
>
> 2. Post a link to your entry in RGMW. by December 1st, 2006.
>
>
> Scoring
>
> Highest weighted score on CMoN on January 1st, 2007 wins.
>
Sounds like a deal. Someone just explain what "OOTB" means, and I'm
good to go.
D
jockelinde
<snip>
> Sounds like a deal. Someone just explain what "OOTB" means, and I'm
> good to go.
Out Of The Box, would be my guess.
--
Joakim
John Hwang
> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea John Hwang said
>
>> 2. 40k / WFB "Open" - an "Inquisitor" from either genre. You may use
>> ANY model and/or conversion that follows the Inquisitor theme. Basing
>> "counts", but models may only be mounted on standard-sized gaming bases
>> for their respective game system.
>
> Inquisitor for WFB? I have nearly 4000 points of Dwarfs, I can't think of
> anything a bit Inquisitorial about any of them.
Don't you start whinging now... ;)
John Hwang
> John Hwang wrote:
>> Highest weighted score on CMoN on January 1st, 2007 wins.
>
> Sounds like a deal. Someone just explain what "OOTB" means, and I'm
> good to go.
OOTB is a modeling term meaning "Out Of The Box".
It's a reaction to kits having more aftermarket add-ons than original
parts, and is pretty well-known within the scale modelling community.
For example, for tanks, it's not uncommon to add a turned barrel, full
photo-etch detailing, workable metal track set, resin wheels & idlers,
resin accessory set, full interior (gun, engine, & transmission), plus
lots of scratch. At that point, all that's left of the original kit is
the basic hull.
Besides the cost issue, it's hell on any sort of standardization of a
single kit challenge.
So OOTB appeared as a sort of "back to basics" contest that anybody can
enter.
Blackheart
John Hwang wrote:
>
> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
> You may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up
> to the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else
> Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
>
does this mean no metal shoulderpads? (ie: the ones with the chapter
and squad type badges already on them?)
John Hwang
Yup. Metal shoulderpads are Bitz.
Blackheart
John Hwang wrote:
> Blackheart wrote:
> > John Hwang wrote:
> >
> >> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
> >> You may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up
> >> to the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else
> >> Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
> >> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
> >> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
> >
> > does this mean no metal shoulderpads? (ie: the ones with the chapter
> > and squad type badges already on them?)
>
> Yup. Metal shoulderpads are Bitz.
>
how about transfers?
John Hwang
> John Hwang wrote:
>> Blackheart wrote:
>>> John Hwang wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
>>>> You may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up
>>>> to the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else
>>>> Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
>>>> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
>>>> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
> how about transfers?
Transfers are OK.
Blackheart
John Hwang wrote:
> Blackheart wrote:
> > John Hwang wrote:
> >> Blackheart wrote:
> >>> John Hwang wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
> >>>> You may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up
> >>>> to the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else
> >>>> Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
> >>>> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
> >>>> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
>
> > how about transfers?
>
> Transfers are OK.
cool.. then I'll have a fallback peice I can enter if I can't get
something newer done.
thanks
Desert Lurker
> Blackheart wrote:
>
>> John Hwang wrote:
>>
>>> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
>>> You may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up
>>> to the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else
>>> Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
>>> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
>>> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
>>
>>
>> does this mean no metal shoulderpads? (ie: the ones with the chapter
>> and squad type badges already on them?)
>
>
> Yup. Metal shoulderpads are Bitz.
>
>
Ah But BT came out after BfM and so are restricetd on that ground?
Joe
Blackheart
Desert Lurker wrote:
> So plasitc BT shoulder pads are OK. Because they come in the box. Right?
>
> Ah But BT came out after BfM and so are restricetd on that ground?
I'm interpreting it as John wants "plain flat unsculpted shoulder pads"
and Templars got plastic chapter shoulderpads? those cheesy gits!
Desert Lurker
> Desert Lurker wrote:
>
>
>>So plasitc BT shoulder pads are OK. Because they come in the box. Right?
>>
>>Ah But BT came out after BfM and so are restricetd on that ground?
>
>
> I'm interpreting it as John wants "plain flat unsculpted shoulder pads"
But it's more fun to mis-interpret!
> and Templars got plastic chapter shoulderpads? those cheesy gits!
They got a whole sprue torso, guns with chains,etc
Blackheart
they better do the same with Ultramarines and Dark Angels then.. or
I'll buy less then I usually do..
oh wait... I haven't bought anything in almost 3 years....
John Hwang
> John Hwang wrote:
>> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
>> You may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up
>> to the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else
>> Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
>> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
>> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
> So plasitc BT shoulder pads are OK.
Nope, not even close.
> Because they come in the box. Right?
They come in the Black Templar Squad box, NOT the Space Marine Tactical
Squad box.
> Ah But BT came out after BfM and so are restricetd on that ground?
Nope. BT are restricted on the grounds that they are Black Templar
Initiates, NOT Tactical Space Marines.
John Hwang
> I'm interpreting it as John wants "plain flat unsculpted shoulder pads"
Pretty much.
The point of using a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine is to make the
models directly comparable. If you've got a Black Templar Initiate, a
Devastator, an Assault Marine, a cross-dresser, and a fur cape, they're
harder to compare.
> and Templars got plastic chapter shoulderpads? those cheesy gits!
Space Wolves got Chapter-specific torsos and bitz, too.
John Hwang
> Desert Lurker wrote:
>>> and Templars got plastic chapter shoulderpads? those cheesy gits!
>>
>> They got a whole sprue torso, guns with chains,etc
>
> they better do the same with Ultramarines and Dark Angels then..
I'm sure the Dark Angels will get a DA-specific sprue when their 40k4
Codex comes out, just like the Black Templars.
Qrab
John Hwang <JohnHw...@cs.com.no.com> wrote:
> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
>
> Entries
>
> 1. Post your entry on CMoN - Cool Mini or Not by December 1st, 2006.
>
>
> Highest weighted score on CMoN on January 1st, 2007 wins.
This would be an interesting challenge if it weren't for the CMoN aspect.
John Hwang
> John Hwang <JohnHw...@cs.com.no.com> wrote:
>
>> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
>>
>> Entries
>>
>> 1. Post your entry on CMoN - Cool Mini or Not by December 1st, 2006.
>>
>> Highest weighted score on CMoN on January 1st, 2007 wins.
>
> This would be an interesting challenge if it weren't for the CMoN aspect.
I threw the challenge together as fast as I could type it, so it didn't
get very much consideration. I just went with CMoN because it's
universally available with a scoring system. If you've got a better
idea, I'm more than happy to adjust.
John Hwang
> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
> Categories
>
> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter. You
> may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up to
> the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else Bolt
> Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
I've settled on a model:
http://public.fotki.com/JHwang/wip/rgmw/
This is a Veteran Sergeant model built from the 40k3 Tactical Squad
boxed set, armed with Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. This model was built
to maximize painting opportunities:
- chainsword for bare metal
- bare head for flesh
- pouches for leather
- purity seal for parchment/cloth
- scope with lens
- large skull for bone
I'm still debating whether to add the Auspex and/or Grenades for little
extra texture and contrast color against the potential additional
"clutter" on the model.
Tho seeing it blown up 4x, I see that there are still a couple more mold
lines I'll have to clean up.
FunkyD
I'll cite ya for violations already. That doesn't look like a stock
fig to me. The scope on the bolter is clearly aftermarket, as is the
helmet on the back (if I recall the 3rd edition properly). Just the
stuff that's on the sprue and is SUPPOSED to be attached to the model,
and no fancy additions (can't recall if that facial scar is stock, or
aftermarket).
D
Spack
The scope is on one of the sprues in the tac box (the "upgrade" sprue that
has the special and heavy weapons, and other bits). Not sure about the head,
but it might be on the upgrade sprue too (you do get a helmetless head on
there). The helmet could just be a spare head glued on - if he didn't cut
the neck off, then he hasn't violated his own rules for this.
--
Dan
http://www.ageofstrife.com
FunkyD
Spack wrote:
> The scope is on one of the sprues in the tac box (the "upgrade" sprue that
> has the special and heavy weapons, and other bits). Not sure about the head,
> but it might be on the upgrade sprue too (you do get a helmetless head on
> there). The helmet could just be a spare head glued on - if he didn't cut
> the neck off, then he hasn't violated his own rules for this.
Meh, call me a purist, but I thought the point of the competition was
"vanilla" figs.
"Spare stuff guled on" sounds like mods to me.
D
donovan...@yahoo.com
Bah, what if someone heats the sprue itself up to sculpt some extra
details?
Wotcha gonna do then?
Huh?!
John Hwang
In that case, you would be mistaken. All of my Tacticals are built from
the 40k3 sprues.
> The scope on the bolter is clearly aftermarket,
Wrong. It's a standard bit that comes on the 40k3 Tactical sprues.
> as is the helmet on the back
Nope. That is a standard ("targeter") helmet that also comes on the
40k3 Tactical sprues. You get at *least* 6 heads for every 5 Tactical
Marines.
> (if I recall the 3rd edition properly).
You obviously don't. :P
> Just the stuff that's on the sprue and is SUPPOSED to be
> attached to the model,
Are you aware that the standard 40k3 Tactical Marine sprues include 2
small and 2 large pouches, 2 frag & 2 krak grenades, 2 purity seals, 2
combat knives, Auspex, etc.
In addition, the 40k3 Tactical Marine squad includes an "upgrade" sprue
that makes a Sergeant with BP, CCW with a metal basket guard, and with
an integral gorget on the chestplate.
As far as I'm concerned all of these are legitmate bitz that can be
incorporated onto the model.
> and no fancy additions
Correct.
> (can't recall if that facial scar is stock,
Given that I only cleaned mold lines on this model, it's stock.
You should be able to duplicate the model *exactly* if you break the
shrinkwrap on any sealed 40k3 Tactical Marine Squad boxed set.
> or aftermarket).
I believe that the head is from the 40k3 Tactical "upgrade" sprue.
It is *remotely* possible that the head is from a 40k3 Assault set, as I
did tear down a bunch of minis and fold them into the bitz piles while
building my Marines. If that is the case, I apologize for any confusion.
John Hwang
> FunkyD wrote on 13 Oct 2006 04:42:08 -0700:
>>>> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine
>>> http://public.fotki.com/JHwang/wip/rgmw/
>>>
>>> This is a Veteran Sergeant
>> I'll cite ya for violations already.
> Not sure about the head, but it might be on the upgrade sprue too
> (you do get a helmetless head on there).
Yup. :)
> The helmet could just be a spare head glued on - if he didn't cut
> the neck off, then he hasn't violated his own rules for this.
The "No Cutting" prohibition is intended to block a fairly wide variety
of conversion techniques:
- cutting elbows and knees to repose arms and legs,
- cutting limbs to rotate them,
- sectioning to reproportion models, and
- joining of multiple models together.
As all of these techniques require cutting of limbs / torso above and
beyond the removal of the part(s) from sprue, I simply shorthanded it
down to "no cutting".
So, getting back to my model: All Tactical helmets attach to the sprue
at the top of the helmet and at the bottom of the neck. I simply
separated the helmet from the sprue at the bottom of the helmet, so
technically, it's just removing the helmet bit from the sprue. ;)
John Hwang
> Meh, call me a purist, but I thought the point of the competition was
> "vanilla" figs.
It is. This is buildable from the 40k3 "vanilla" Tactical Squad set.
However, if I'm doing competition-level model prep and painting, I'm not
wasting it on a line trooper. I'm spending it on a basic Chapter Master
/ Veteran Sergeant.
> "Spare stuff guled on" sounds like mods to me.
Excuse me, but those are extra bitz that come with the models. They are
*supposed* to be glued on to the models to provide additional texture
and variety.
John Hwang
> Bah, what if someone heats the sprue itself up to sculpt some extra
> details?
That would be a clear violation of the "NO sculpting" provision.
> Wotcha gonna do then?
I'd disqualify them from Category 1 and move them into Category 2, as
there is no question that the letter ("NO sculpting") and the spirit of
the rules were both violated.
FunkyD
John Hwang wrote:
> So, getting back to my model: All Tactical helmets attach to the sprue
> at the top of the helmet and at the bottom of the neck. I simply
> separated the helmet from the sprue at the bottom of the helmet, so
> technically, it's just removing the helmet bit from the sprue. ;)
LoL!
Perhaps for Painting Challenge 2007, you'll invent some rules you can
stick to.
"See, I made this custom banner from the battle for macragge ship
wreckage. Actually, I just used my knife to cut the plastic away from
the sprue that I didn't need.... really... I'm not making this up...."
D
Jim M
Funky...@gmail.com says...
I thought it was supposed to ba a bog standard marine anyway, not a
Sergeant or Commander. I'll google up the original post and see. If he
has changed his original rules to suit himself, then I'm not going to
fuck with it...
--
Jim M
In the grim darkness of the present, there is only September...
Spack
1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
Yep. does say Tactical Space Marine, not Tactical Space Marine Sergeant :P
--
Dan
http://www.ageofstrife.com
Spack
The neck is not sprue, you just admitted it yourself "bottom of the neck".
Sigh.
--
Dan
http://www.ageofstrife.com
Jim M
hnjc...@gmail.com says...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
Rules
1. Only ONE (1) entry per person per Category. People may compete in as
ANY Categories desired.
2. Only ONE (1) "28mm" figure per entry
Categories
1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
You may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up
to the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else
Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
2. 40k / WFB "Open" - an "Inquisitor" from either genre. You may use
ANY model and/or conversion that follows the Inquisitor theme. Basing
"counts", but models may only be mounted on standard-sized gaming bases
for their respective game system.
Entries
1. Post your entry on CMoN - Cool Mini or Not by December 1st, 2006.
2. Post a link to your entry in RGMW. by December 1st, 2006.
Scoring
Highest weighted score on CMoN on January 1st, 2007 wins.
Comentary
The OOTB category is just basic painting skills. The Open category is
to show off what you can do. Something for everyone.
OK, people, let's have some fun!
--
--- John Hwang "JohnHwang...@cs.com.no.com"
\-|-/
| A.K.D. F.E.M.C.
| Horned Blood Cross Terror LED Speed Jagd DestinyRGMW 1st Annual
Painting Challenge
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
There it is verbatum, "a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any
Chapter". That to me means no special characters (such as a Sergeant or
commander), regardless of you building it out of the box.
" No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners."
Sounds like all of that extra stuff you added isn't allowed, because
they are "bitz" even though they were included in the box, not to
mention the "No cutting" that you are trying to weasil out of. Then
again since an extra head (the helmet) could be classified as bitz, then
it is not allowed anyway.
You must put your marine sergeant into category two by your own rules.
Otherwise it's all just so much bullshit!
John Hwang
> John Hwang wrote:
>> So, getting back to my model: All Tactical helmets attach to the sprue
>> at the top of the helmet and at the bottom of the neck. I simply
>> separated the helmet from the sprue at the bottom of the helmet, so
>> technically, it's just removing the helmet bit from the sprue. ;)
>
> LoL!
>
> Perhaps for Painting Challenge 2007, you'll invent some rules
> you can stick to.
Given that I created the rules, I think I'm following them. :)
Robert Singers
> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
>
> Yep. does say Tactical Space Marine, not Tactical Space Marine
> Sergeant :P
A tactical space marine sergeant is still a tactical space marine.
I was borderline on the helmet and scope but looking at the definition of
the word conversion John would have had to swap a part from the 'vanilla'
sprues for a part from another sprue. Which he hasn't.
So in my IMHO opinion John is following his own rules. John not
contradicting himself OTOH is odd.
--
Rob Singers
RGMW FAQ Maintainer. See it @ http://www.rgmw.org
Foemina Erit Ruina Tua
John Hwang
>> I thought it was supposed to ba a bog standard marine anyway, not a
>> Sergeant or Commander. I'll google up the original post and see. If he
>> has changed his original rules to suit himself, then I'm not going to
>> fuck with it...
It appears you people are interpreting the challenge differently than I
intended. That's fine. I have plenty of plain troopers, and will swap
the Commander for a Grunt. I'll just enter the Commander as my
"Inquisitor".
> Here it is:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
>
> Rules
>
> 1. Only ONE (1) entry per person per Category. People may compete in as
> ANY Categories desired.
>
> 2. Only ONE (1) "28mm" figure per entry
>
>
> Categories
Just for grins, I'm going to actually explain what I really intended
when I threw this thing together... :)
> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any
> Chapter. You may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue
> Trader RTB-01 up to the current BfM monoposes.
Models must be built from the either the basic Tactical Space Marine
Boxed set or the models included in the starter set. NO Assault
Marines, NO Devastators, NO Scouts, NO Terminators, NO Black Templar
Initiates.
> Model must be armed with Bolter or else
> Bolt Pistol and Chainsword.
Models must use only the basic weapons provided in the boxed set.
Models may not be Specialists armed with Heavy or Special weapons.
Models may not be armed with Close Combat upgrades such as, but not
limited to Power Weapons, or Power Fists.
> Model must be based on standard 25mm round
> base.
Oversized scenic bases are not allowed.
> No "conversion" work of any type is allowed:
And here is where the intent went horribly wrong, because I did
everything as shorthand. :(
> NO bitz,
Models may not include or use parts or bitz from outside the Tactical
Squad boxed set. Prohibited bitz include, but are not limited to metal
shoulder pads, Deathwatch, Honour Guard, Chaos Marine, Commander,
Command Squad, Black Templar, and/or Assault Marine bitz.
> NO cutting, NO bending,
Models may not be reposed, sectioned, combined, or reproportioned;
limbs and joints may not be rotated or repositioned.
> NO scupting,
Models may not be enhanced with custom bitz, nor resculpted
> NO banners.
Like the base restriction, this was to block the efforts I've seen for
"best banner" awards.
Anyhow, as I said, I'll swap to a bolter Marine, so most of this is moot.
And as for 2007, I should be done with my SM, so I'll pick another
subject. ;)
Jim M
says...
> Anyhow, as I said, I'll swap to a bolter Marine, so most of this is moot.
>
That would be better, as it will kick all controversy to the curb. You
really should have said what you meant in the first place though. BTW I
found a single pose Marine that came in an old paint set, I think it's
the same as the ones that came in the 2E box, just want to make sure
it's usable.
>
> And as for 2007, I should be done with my SM, so I'll pick another
> subject. ;)
>
Why not put everyone on an even footing and pick something other then
whatever current project you happen to be working on. I finished my
Marines almost six years ago (well except for a few dozen terminators),
and was faced with either going out and spending money on a Tactical
Squad box (what a waste), buying a Tac Marine blister (which probably
wouldn't qualify) or finding one that I hadn't painted. You mentioned
submitting one that I had previously painted, but that wouldn't be much
of a challenge.
Another suggestion would be to put up a poll on genbus and have people
vote which figure they would like to see painted for a challenge. Then
rather then using CMoN have all entries put in a folder on genbus and
then let people vote on the entries.
FunkyD
John Hwang wrote:
> I simply
> separated the helmet from the sprue at the bottom of the helmet, so
> technically, it's just removing the helmet bit from the sprue. ;)
> Given that I created the rules, I think I'm following them. :)
*swing and a miss*
Glad to hear you'll actually be sticking to a basic trooper though.
It's obvious even to you by now that sawing off a neck, etc, is
modifying the fig.
;)
D
FunkyD
Jim M wrote:
> Why not put everyone on an even footing and pick something other then
> whatever current project you happen to be working on. I finished my
> Marines almost six years ago (well except for a few dozen terminators),
> and was faced with either going out and spending money on a Tactical
> Squad box (what a waste), buying a Tac Marine blister (which probably
> wouldn't qualify) or finding one that I hadn't painted. You mentioned
> submitting one that I had previously painted, but that wouldn't be much
> of a challenge.
>
The reasoning here Jim is to find a fig that most poeple already have
without having to buy/borrow one. Space Marines have been included in
every version of the boxed set, so it's probably a fig that most people
have lying around in one incarnation or another.
If there's another fig that you think everyone has, feel free to offer
it up, but currently, Marines are scattered about like pills at Anna
Nicole's house.
D
Jim M
Funky...@gmail.com says...
>
> Jim M wrote:
> > Why not put everyone on an even footing and pick something other then
> > whatever current project you happen to be working on. I finished my
> > Marines almost six years ago (well except for a few dozen terminators),
> > and was faced with either going out and spending money on a Tactical
> > Squad box (what a waste), buying a Tac Marine blister (which probably
> > wouldn't qualify) or finding one that I hadn't painted. You mentioned
> > submitting one that I had previously painted, but that wouldn't be much
> > of a challenge.
> >
>
> The reasoning here Jim is to find a fig that most poeple already have
> without having to buy/borrow one. Space Marines have been included in
> every version of the boxed set, so it's probably a fig that most people
> have lying around in one incarnation or another.
>
So it's just a coincedence that John Happens to be working on a Space
MArine force right now?
> If there's another fig that you think everyone has, feel free to offer
> it up, but currently, Marines are scattered about like pills at Anna
> Nicole's house.
>
Why do Goblins, Orcs, 2ed Gretchin and Orks, Dark Eldar (everytime I
think I have finally purged these, I find a few more...), Lizardmen,
Skinks and Bretonnians immediately spring to mind?
FunkyD
Jim M wrote:
> Why do Goblins, Orcs, 2ed Gretchin and Orks, Dark Eldar (everytime I
> think I have finally purged these, I find a few more...), Lizardmen,
> Skinks and Bretonnians immediately spring to mind?
Because you don't clean house / trade often enough. ;)
A few of these are kinda old school, although Goblins are probably
pretty close. However, 40K is still more popular than fantasy, and I'd
wager there's STILL more than twice the number of unused loose marines
floating around than any of these choices.
2 years ago, Dark Eldar might have been perfect, as everyone was pretty
much melting them down for scrap, or maybe even trying to see how many
decent blade bitz they could get off em. *smile* Alas, they are
heading the same direction as my beloved Chaos Dwarves. :P
D
Jim M
Funky...@gmail.com says...
and always will be in my mind Eldar Pirates...
Jim M
> > Why do Goblins, Orcs, 2ed Gretchin and Orks, Dark Eldar (everytime I
> > think I have finally purged these, I find a few more...), Lizardmen,
> > Skinks and Bretonnians immediately spring to mind?
>
> Because you don't clean house / trade often enough. ;)
>
> A few of these are kinda old school, although Goblins are probably
> pretty close. However, 40K is still more popular than fantasy, and I'd
> wager there's STILL more than twice the number of unused loose marines
> floating around than any of these choices.
>
>
somewhere...
John Hwang
> JohnHw...@cs.com.no.com says...
>> Anyhow, as I said, I'll swap to a bolter Marine, so most of this is moot.
>
> That would be better, as it will kick all controversy to the curb.
Exactly. In this case, whether I'm "right" is less important than
whether everybody in the contest has fun. :)
> You really should have said what you meant in the first place though.
Yeah, but I didn't want to go all lawyer. A full page of rules for
something this simple would suck the fun right out of the contest.
> BTW I found a single pose Marine that came in an old paint set,
> I think it's the same as the ones that came in the 2E box,
> just want to make sure it's usable.
It's good. If I can't tell that it's not from the 2E box, it's from the
2E box. ;)
>> And as for 2007, I should be done with my SM, so I'll pick another
>> subject. ;)
>
> Why not put everyone on an even footing and pick something other
> then whatever current project you happen to be working on.
True. I kinda picked SM because I thought everybody had a SM Tactical
model, too.
> You mentioned submitting one
> that I had previously painted, but that wouldn't be much
> of a challenge.
You could always paint it again. ;)
> Another suggestion would be to put up a poll on genbus and have people
> vote which figure they would like to see painted for a challenge. Then
> rather then using CMoN have all entries put in a folder on genbus and
> then let people vote on the entries.
Yeah, that's the "normal" way of doing a painting contest:
1. People nominate models
2. We pick our favorite
3. Everybody buys the model and paints it
4. We vote on it.
John Hwang
> Funky...@gmail.com says...
>> Jim M wrote:
>>> Why not put everyone on an even footing and pick something other then
>>> whatever current project you happen to be working on.
>> The reasoning here Jim is to find a fig that most poeple already have
>> without having to buy/borrow one. Space Marines have been included in
>> every version of the boxed set, so it's probably a fig that most people
>> have lying around in one incarnation or another.
Yup.
> So it's just a coincedence that John Happens to be working on a Space
> MArine force right now?
Sorta: I've been working on SM, or threatening to work on my SM for the
past 6 years.
>> If there's another fig that you think everyone has, feel free to
>> offer it up, but currently, Marines are scattered about like pills
>> at Anna Nicole's house.
Nice try for the outtake, tho I'm not biting.
> Why do Goblins, Orcs, 2ed Gretchin and Orks,
Ew. I don't have these, nor would I propose them for painting contests
- non-human flesh tones aren't as easy to evaluate. In this sort of
contest, I'd do a red-green reversal and paint a brown Ork/Orc. The
problem is that a greenskin in human flesh tones could be considered in
very poor taste.
> Dark Eldar
The problem with these models is that they want to be painted in very
specific colors. They somewhat limit the palette and room for making a
"winning" model. Nor do they particularly fire the imagination.
> Lizardmen, Skinks
These are even worse candidates than greenskins, as they're scaled, not
skin. Plus they're not human-shaped.
> Bretonnians immediately spring to mind?
These would be OK, if we were doing Peasants of some sort, but I suspect
you are thinking of the Bret Knights.
Thinking about it Bret Men At Arms / Empire Soldiers could actually be a
promising choice.
John Hwang
> However, 40K is still more popular than fantasy,
I have been on Bartertown for almost a year now, and 40k is easily the
most popular game system on Bartertown.
Graham Thurlwell
<snip>
> Yeah, that's the "normal" way of doing a painting contest:
> 1. People nominate models
> 2. We pick our favorite
> 3. Everybody buys the model and paints it
> 4. We vote on it.
OH! A vote! We all know who's going to win..
--
Jades' First Encounters Site - http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm
The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web.
nos...@jades.org /is/ a real email address!
Graham Thurlwell
> Jim M wrote:
<snip>
>> NO cutting, NO bending,
>
> Models may not be reposed, sectioned, combined, or reproportioned;
> limbs and joints may not be rotated or repositioned.
Damn, and I'd just finished painting up my sprues - it's the only way
to avoid cutting!
donovan...@yahoo.com
John Hwang wrote:
> FunkyD wrote:
> > John Hwang wrote:
> >> John Hwang wrote:
> >>> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
> >>> Categories
> >>>
> >>> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter. You
> >>> may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up to
> >>> the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else Bolt
> >>> Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
> >>> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
> >>> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
A point, if I may, concerning the current tactical marines. You have to
cut the pistol grip off the bolter in order to make the marine carry
it. Bog-standard marines carry bolters.
*POP* head explodes
smithdoerr
<donovan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1162523857.3...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> John Hwang wrote:
>> FunkyD wrote:
>> > John Hwang wrote:
>> >> John Hwang wrote:
>> >>> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
>> >>> Categories
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter.
>> >>> You
>> >>> may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up to
>> >>> the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else
>> >>> Bolt
>> >>> Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
>> >>> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
>> >>> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
>
> A point, if I may
No you may not.
> *POP* head explodes
That's better.
--
-smithdoerr
John Hwang
Per my post on Oct. 16th, the rules should be interpreted as follows:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.miniatures.warhammer/msg/7a5009fd94ea314b
> *POP* head explodes
Heh.
Jim M
says...
> donovan...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > John Hwang wrote:
>
> >> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
> >> Categories
> >>
> >> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine of any Chapter. You
> >> may use a Space Marine of any vintage, from Rogue Trader RTB-01 up to
> >> the current BfM monoposes. Model must be armed with Bolter or else Bolt
> >> Pistol and Chainsword. Model must be based on standard 25mm round
> >> base. No "conversion" work of any type is allowed: NO bitz, NO
> >> cutting, NO bending, NO scupting, NO banners.
>
> > A point, if I may, concerning the current tactical marines. You have to
> > cut the pistol grip off the bolter in order to make the marine carry
> > it. Bog-standard marines carry bolters.
>
> Per my post on Oct. 16th, the rules should be interpreted as follows:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.miniatures.warhammer/msg/7a5009fd94ea314b
>
> > *POP* head explodes
>
> Heh.
>
>
>
flamer...
--
Jim M
In the grim darkness of the present, there is only September...
Somedays it just doesn't pay to be your own dictator. - Myr
Myrmidon
hnjc...@gmail.com says...
>
> >
> BTW, I'm out, I just realized that the marine I was going to paint has a
> flamer...
>
anything you can't ride (and some things you can) you Bar-Be-Que
instead.
Now where'd I put those matches for the grill...
Myr :)
--
It's the Scots who fry chocolate bars.
- Philip Bowles
RGMW FAQ: http://www.rgmw.org
Or...
Jim M
Im...@home.com says...
> In article <MPG.1fb65f39c...@news.east.earthlink.net>,
> hnjc...@gmail.com says...
> >
> > >
> > BTW, I'm out, I just realized that the marine I was going to paint has a
> > flamer...
> >
> Damn Texans! What is it with you guys anyway? It seems like
> anything you can't ride (and some things you can) you Bar-Be-Que
> instead.
>
> Now where'd I put those matches for the grill...
>
>
We ride bulls and we BBQ bulls... so that statement doesn't work... here
let me light that for you <FAWOOOOOSSSSSSHHHHH>
smithdoerr
"Jim M" <hnjc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fb65f39c...@news.east.earthlink.net...
> BTW, I'm out, I just realized that the marine I was going to paint has a
> flamer...
Aw just enter it anyways, it's just for fun. Or enter it under the "open"
category.
--
-smithdoerr
John Hwang
> RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
This is my entry post!
> 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine
I think he qualifies here. ;)
> 2. 40k / WFB "Open" - an "Inquisitor"
But based on feedback, I enter him here. :)
> Entries
>
> 1. Post your entry on CMoN - Cool Mini or Not by December 1st, 2006.
http://www.coolminiornot.com/141270
> 2. Post a link to your entry in RGMW. by December 1st, 2006.
http://public.fotki.com/JHwang/wip/rgmw/
John Hwang
> > Entries
BTW, if I'm the only entry, I'm going to be peeved.
> > 1. Post your entry on CMoN - Cool Mini or Not by December 1st, 2006.
>
> http://www.coolminiornot.com/141270
>
> > 2. Post a link to your entry in RGMW. by December 1st, 2006.
>
> http://public.fotki.com/JHwang/wip/rgmw/
Note that the model is a darker and cooler than RL. I may try to take a
better picture later, but I needed to get pics up due to the deadline.
That said, this model is "better" than my regular stuff. I spent about
50% longer on the build, due to the extra gegaws being added. Painting
was done over 2 long evenings, about 6-8 hours total, which is
considerably longer than what I would normally average.
I went with a basecoat and a lot of shadow washes, blacklining, and
detail touches to define the overall shape. The regular models are much
simpler and flatter.
I did a a lot more detail highlighting, lots of little touches,
following a pseudo NMM highlighting approach. Basically, I adjust the
key visible highlight points to where they would be if they were actual
metal. I also give a feather highlight in shadows to redefine the shape.
I took a super-high contrast approach to the chest eagle, preshading,
and then highlighting the feathers individually.
I'm pretty happy with the model, and I don't intend to do much more with
it. Due to time constraints, I wasn't able to add insignia or script on
the purity seals. Those will wait until I do the rest of the army.
Myrmidon
says...
> John Hwang wrote:
> Note that the model is a darker and cooler than RL.
What? You mean you're *NOT* swarthy and hip in real life?
(Sorry, couldn't pass up a straight line like that...)
Myr :)
--
Jesus saves! Everyone else in the unit takes a wound.
- Donovan Borman
John Hwang
> JohnHw...@cs.com.no.com says...
>> John Hwang wrote:
>
>> Note that the model is a darker and cooler than RL.
>
> What? You mean you're *NOT* swarthy and hip in real life?
>
> (Sorry, couldn't pass up a straight line like that...)
It's OK. Tho I'd rather that you, Jim, and Donovan actually entered
minis...
donovan...@yahoo.com
John Hwang wrote:
> Myrmidon wrote:
> > JohnHw...@cs.com.no.com says...
> >> John Hwang wrote:
> >
> >> Note that the model is a darker and cooler than RL.
> >
> > What? You mean you're *NOT* swarthy and hip in real life?
> >
> > (Sorry, couldn't pass up a straight line like that...)
>
> It's OK. Tho I'd rather that you, Jim, and Donovan actually entered
> minis...
Oh yeah,,,about that...
(looks at painting table piled high with shreds of bubblewrap and trade
items)
I'll get right on that!
John Hwang
> John Hwang wrote:
>> I'd rather that you, Jim, and Donovan actually entered
>> minis...
>
> Oh yeah,,,about that...
> (looks at painting table piled high with shreds of bubblewrap and trade
> items)
> I'll get right on that!
Heh. You do that.
Given that the only entrant sucessfully petitioned for more time to do
touch-up work and take better pictures, the entry deadline has been
extended until December 31st, with scoring to be reviewed on Jan 15th.
So you've got a month to show us what you can do. :)
Myrmidon
says...
> Myrmidon wrote:
> > JohnHw...@cs.com.no.com says...
> >> John Hwang wrote:
> >
> >> Note that the model is a darker and cooler than RL.
> >
> > What? You mean you're *NOT* swarthy and hip in real life?
> >
> > (Sorry, couldn't pass up a straight line like that...)
>
> It's OK. Tho I'd rather that you, Jim, and Donovan actually entered
> minis...
Sorry, but I'm unlikely to make this one. :( Not so much from a
lack of interest as a serious lack of time. What painting time I've got
available I'm using on 'standard' stuff, rather than spending 40 to 120
hours on one mini. I've got to much stuff I want painted that still
isn't, and way to much school work to get done in the next 3 to 4
months.
Myr
--
"I'm already impoverished from buying wargames minis,
and I'm too knackered for riotous living..."
-- Moramarth
John Hwang
> JohnHw...@cs.com.no.com says...
>> It's OK. Tho I'd rather that you, Jim, and Donovan actually entered
>> minis...
>
> Sorry, but I'm unlikely to make this one. :( Not so much from a
> lack of interest as a serious lack of time. What painting time I've got
> available I'm using on 'standard' stuff, rather than spending 40 to 120
> hours on one mini. I've got to much stuff I want painted that still
> isn't, and way to much school work to get done in the next 3 to 4
> months.
Totally understood. Tho you don't have an existing model you can just
take a picture of?
John Hwang
> John Hwang wrote:
> > RGMW 1st Annual Painting Challenge
>
> This is my entry post!
Updated entry post!
> > 1. 40k "OOTB" - a bog-standard Tactical Space Marine
>
> I think he qualifies here. ;)
>
> > 2. 40k / WFB "Open" - an "Inquisitor"
>
> But based on feedback, I enter him here. :)
>
> > Entries
> >
> > 1. Post your entry on CMoN - Cool Mini or Not by December 1st, 2006.
>
> http://www.coolminiornot.com/141270
http://www.coolminiornot.com/142183
> > 2. Post a link to your entry in RGMW. by December 1st, 2006.
>
> http://public.fotki.com/JHwang/wip/rgmw1201/
http://public.fotki.com/JHwang/wip/rgmw/
I took the extra time to "tweak" the model more to my specific strenghts
in hard / metal surfaces:
- redid chest feathers in super-high contrast
- deepened blacklining effects
- brightened and increased contrast on purity seals
- lightly applied shading to armor using NMM (Non-Metallic Metal)
- converted shoulderpad edging from grey to metal
- converted shoulderpad insert from black to black metal
- re-highlighted all metals per MNMM (Metallic NMM)
I also retouched the head to clean it up, but it's still not really
good, more of a warm contrast against the neutral grey and bright metallics.
Comments?