Definitive Fu
Michael Alford
I was going to post that Harry Sigerson shouldn't let such a vacuous,
pompous fool as Richman talk so condescendingly to him, then I realized
there was much more to it than that...
Vit Brunner (Euro 4d) posted in another thread what he thought of the
game Richman provided, which reminded me of what Goran Siska, IGS 3d,
told him when Richman invited Goran to a dan study group, "I prefer my
dan study groups to be led by dan level players." If you look in the
Archive, you will find posts by Richman in which he boasts he could beat
Cornel Burzo at h4... that game happened... Richman also lost even
games to IGS 6kyu's at that time.
But you know... if you bother to search Google for references to Oliver
Richman, you will come up with such as the following:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=24002&songID=243091
you might want to ask yourself what kind of fool could make himself so
unpopular on a Usenet newsgroup that that group would commission the
writing and recording of such a song. Well, you can check here:
http://www.gatago.com/rec/martial-arts/28119106.html
and we haven't even touched on the IGS Art Gallery debacle yet (you
here, CL?) Although access to the Art Gallery has been restored, it's
only for pictures already restored at that point in time; as jb has
pointed out, there are some 700 other restorations not available to us
because of this incredible fool (albeit with the help of a few other fools).
tweet posted log excerpts that show Richman had logged into IGS even as
he was flaming in this newsgroup. Talk about a "Hans George" syndrome,
the idiot didn't even know when he was logged on. And he would have us
believe he has "video captures" :-) I'm not sure he's got the expertise
to manipulate his editing program at that level.
Richman reminds me all too much of this other fool, Bush, so proud and
arrogant about being so ignorant that facts don't get past the
shields... or the fog...
Yours,
Michael
theoriginaldimi
henricb...@gmail.com
Michael Alford a écrit :
> Vit Brunner (Euro 4d) posted in another thread what he thought of the
> game Richman provided, which reminded me of what Goran Siska, IGS 3d,
> told him when Richman invited Goran to a dan study group, "I prefer my
> dan study groups to be led by dan level players."
(...)
> But you know... if you bother to search Google for references to Oliver
> Richman, you will come up with such as the following:
(...)
> you might want to ask yourself what kind of fool could make himself so
> unpopular on a Usenet newsgroup that that group would commission the
> writing and recording of such a song. Well, you can check here:
(...)
Michael,
I think that what I find least enjoyable in your large r.g.g.
production is this bullying habit you have. You seem to enjoy trying to
discredit people personally, particularly if you can create the
impression that you have a mob of supporters behind you. I find that
very tasteless. Did you enjoy that sort of activity for self
fulfillment already in the schoolyards of your childhood? Or were you a
victim of bullying yourself and have been trying to take revenge ever
since? What business of yours is it to be nagging about people's
weaknesses at go and calling them "double digit kyus" with pejorative
intent?
Renlis self praise as goplayer indeed seems very childish. out of place
and of little general interest. Why not leave it at that?
cheers,
H.
antipodean....@fakegmail.com
wrote:
>Hi - I didn't realise this was crossposted. Sorry. I'll be more careful
>in the future.
>
>Malf, Henric, etc - It would be easier to settle this with a game of go.
Olie is RMA royalty.
No need to apologize.
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>
>
> Renlis self praise as goplayer indeed seems very childish. out of place
> and of little general interest. Why not leave it at that?
>
> cheers,
> H.
You are correct, I admit to having a real attitude about Oliver Richman,
goes back to the IGS Art Gallery debacle. I didn't mind him at all when
he was kungfu on IGS, in fact he used to hang a bit in channel, we've
played, although I do not remember the games, and the sgf's were lost in
a hdd crash (I've checked MyPanda, the records do not go back that far).
As for my calling him "double digit kyu", it's simply a response to
his claims of excessive strength and his use of "I'm better than you are
at Go" as support for his arguments and to put himself in a superior
position to other people. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being
a double digit kyu, all of us were at some point in our playing history.
No insult is intended to actual double digit kyu players, it's
intended solely to prick his over-inflated ego.
I do not recall tweet ever having said anything derogatory about another
person based on that person's playing strength, while Richman himself
has used that "I'm better than you are at Go" several times. While I do
not know about the KGS or CGA ranks he may hold, he is definitely _not_
dan level on IGS. The rating system there does not consider your rank
stable until you've played 100 rated games. And until you've played 20
rated games, you don't get the "?" removed from your rank. See
http://www.pandanet.co.jp/English/ratingsystem
look at the small table under #7. If Richman really has placed as 1d in
CGA tournaments, I note he's now calling himself "weak" shodan, I could
believe he might be 2k on IGS, but until he plays some 50 rated games
there, none of us will know his IGS level.
I should probably let the blatherskite make a fool of himself by
himself, but I find him, due to our history, overly annoying.
Your,
Michael
PS: I didn't get into schoolyard fights, I was a lover, not a fighter :)
Mef
It makes him feel big and important...as well as furthering his
anti-"anyone who makes negative claims about IGS" agenda.
Shuurai
> > I think that what I find least enjoyable in your large r.g.g.
> > production is this bullying habit you have. You seem to enjoy trying to
> > discredit people personally, particularly if you can create the
> > impression that you have a mob of supporters behind you. I find that
> > very tasteless. Did you enjoy that sort of activity for self
> > fulfillment already in the schoolyards of your childhood? Or were you a
> > victim of bullying yourself and have been trying to take revenge ever
> > since? What business of yours is it to be nagging about people's
> > weaknesses at go and calling them "double digit kyus" with pejorative
> > intent?
> >
>
>
> It makes him feel big and important...as well as furthering his
> anti-"anyone who makes negative claims about IGS" agenda.
Arguing over an organization that oversees a fancy version of checkers
makes him feel big and important? Exactly how small and ineffectual
does someone need to be before that happens?
Bantari
Renli wrote:
> Why do you feel being a kyu strength player is such a terrible thing,
> malf? You yourself are only 4k on IGS.
Actually, malf is stronger than 4k IGS, he just keeps his account at 4k
by avoiding rated games or something. Quite a few IGS-ers do that, I
understand. The reasons for that were explained to me at one point,
but it was confusing.
I saw you both play, you (renli) and malf. If you two were to play, it
would be exciting... I think I would put my money on Malf, but not too
much. :)
Actually, in a single game I would put my money on malf, while in a
longer match I think I would bet on renli.
_______________
-Bantari
http://www.bantari.net/
Bantari
Michael Alford wrote:
> and we haven't even touched on the IGS Art Gallery debacle yet (you
> here, CL?) Although access to the Art Gallery has been restored, it's
> only for pictures already restored at that point in time; as jb has
> pointed out, there are some 700 other restorations not available to us
> because of this incredible fool (albeit with the help of a few other fools).
How did that happen?
I mean - a few people on rgg (which most people I met in ch33 consider
not very important) make not-so-positive comments about a few doctored
pictures, and now hundreds of art-pieces get denied to thousands of
devoted fans?
There surely must be more to that than renli and "few other fools".
Fools, especially the rgg variety of fools, never ever had that kind of
power or that kind of influence.
Why is the art *really* hidden from everybody?
What's the *real* story?
______________
-Bantari
http://www.bantari.net/
Michael Alford
Thank you, I think.
Louise Bremner
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Harry Sigerson
> I was going to post that Harry Sigerson shouldn't let such a vacuous,
> pompous fool as Richman talk so condescendingly to him, then I realized
> there was much more to it than that...
>
The only person that really knows me, that can offend me is me. How I
think, what my strength and weaknesses are, is for me to regret, exult in
and most important live with.
I used to think that was an unfortunate state of affairs. That it
would be a great thing if what a person thought would be instantly known
telepathically by anyone who looked at him - with the intention of knowing
it. The idea was that this would in the long run have a good effect on
interpersonal, national and international relationships. Spoken language
would be largely redundant except for singing say.
But not now. It would be so very boring. It is much more fun
listening, reading and when face-to-face, watching what people are saying,
how they say it, what they are up to when doing so; sizing their egos and
wondering how they see themselves in the scheme of things. Otherwise pub
nights would be such a pain in the arse.
As Rabbie Burns poem, 'To a Louse' (the actual insect not a person)
has it...
"O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!"
Most of the time if you write without trying to use the language as a
weapon then you get replied to in like manner; this is particularly the
case in email. In newsgroups, perhaps the audience factor has some effect
on how we use it? Who can tell but, its interesting. And like saving on
electricity all you have to do to avoid it is turn it off at the switch.
Harry.
CornelB
> over the board. I believ I lost on time, can't recall. The game was
> rather fast I think. I mean, it goes both ways - "oh, the game was
> rather fast", that is. I have no problem admitting I am about 6 stones
> weaker than cornel. Thats not even the issue here.
>
> Why do you feel being a kyu strength player is such a terrible thing,
> laugh. I had to laugh when the truth about what kind of person you and
> others are comes out. You asked, I provided. I am clearly rated as a
> dan strength player on IGS and KGS (on taiji, although a ? rank) and
> even if I do NOTHING for 1 month I will be 1 dan on KGS. If the
> substance of the game records I provide is not to your liking, I could
> provide another one, although I wonder what the point would be since
> you refuse to believe I am a "dan strength player" no matter how many
> game records you see.
>
> Again, not that it's so bad to be a kyu. Again, I fail to see why it is
> so important for you to trumpet to everyone I am a kyu. Makes no sense.
>
> > But you know... if you bother to search Google for references to Oliver
> > Richman, you will come up with such as the following:
> >
> > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=24002&songID=243091
>
> written - Which, I daresay, is much more important and on-topic than an
> obviously irrelevant song. Incidentally, the author of that song didn't
> even practice martial arts, and he has since (I believe) dissapeared
> off the face of the usenet.
>
> Interestingly enough you will also come across a web page from the
> canadian go association that lists me as winning 2nd place as a 1 dan
> in a go tournament - three years ago. I daresay I've improved since
> then, malf "4k" :)
>
> Care for a game?
>
Hi Fu,
I didnt save our game cause I havent find it very interesting but I
remember it was a handicap 5 game where most of your groups were chased
and probably you prefered to lose on time instead resign but this I can
understand...oh well, being a dan player and taking handi 5 from a top
dan player is not a shame, maybe is still better to be a top kyu
player, who knows..
Good luck,
Cornel B
CornelB
> was H4. Mr. Burzo, while I respect you as a strong amateur Go player,
> you show a shocking lack of humility.
>
> You can say you chased me around the board, cornel, but had I a few
> extra seconds to click my mouse I think I would have killed your center
> group and forced a resignation. You were 6d at this time, I was 2d.
>
> For you it is a "who knows" and not interesting. For me, it was a
> learning experience- No one can say I did not play to a standard
> deserving of 2 dan, relative to your 6 dan rank :)
>
> I present to you CORNEL 6d-USAGI 2d h4 game, commented. I daresay I've
> improved since then :) Ahh, but then again, so have you, haven't you
> Cornel?
All right mr Fu..now I recall the game, handi 4 ..my mistake..I had a
quick look over the game and didnt feel very chased though..actually I
felt quite comfortable during the whole game, playing 10 sec/move is a
nice escuse to lose a game.
Anyway probably you learnt from that game that ' Central Dragon Never
Dies'
better luck next time,
Sincerely,
C
Jeff Nowakowski
> Who knows, indeed. You obviously remember the game wrong, because it
> was H4.
Actually, I remembered it as H5 too. So I looked it up, and yes, the
*first* game was a 5 handicap game. Cornel won by resignation:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.go/msg/ebedaa2ddecc8825
(I removed the cross-posting to rec.martial-arts.)
-Jeff
tweet
Renli wrote:
> CornelB wrote:
>
>>Hi Fu,
>>
>>I didnt save our game cause I havent find it very interesting but I
>>remember it was a handicap 5 game where most of your groups were chased
>>and probably you prefered to lose on time instead resign but this I can
>>understand...oh well, being a dan player and taking handi 5 from a top
>>dan player is not a shame, maybe is still better to be a top kyu
>>player, who knows..
>
>
> Renli reponded:
> Who knows, indeed. You obviously remember the game wrong, because it
> was H4. Mr. Burzo, while I respect you as a strong amateur Go player,
> you show a shocking lack of humility.
>
Renli (Oliver Richman) is pulling a fast one here. The game was a
5 stone handicap, and the game Renli posted below is not the one
he played on IGS.
> You can say you chased me around the board, cornel, but had I a few
> extra seconds to click my mouse I think I would have killed your center
> group and forced a resignation. You were 6d at this time, I was 2d.
>
> For you it is a "who knows" and not interesting. For me, it was a
> learning experience- No one can say I did not play to a standard
> deserving of 2 dan, relative to your 6 dan rank :)
>
> I present to you CORNEL 6d-USAGI 2d h4 game, commented. I daresay I've
> improved since then :) Ahh, but then again, so have you, haven't you
> Cornel?
>
> (;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
> RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[4]KM[0.50]TM[60]OT[5x10 byo-yomi]
> PW[Cornel]PB[usagi]WR[6d]BR[2d]DT[2004-08-12]PC[The Kiseido Go Server
> (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]AB[dd][pd][dp][pp]RE[W+Time]
> ;W[qf]CR[qf]WL[106.929]C[Cornel [6d\]: Hi, enjoy
> usagi [2d\]: Break my 10 game winning series, Onegaishimasu ^^
> ]
> ;B[qh]CR[qh]BL[99.22]C[Cornel [6d\]: heh:)
> ]
> ;W[ne]CR[ne]WL[103.309]
> ;B[pf]CR[pf]BL[87.026]
> ;W[pg]CR[pg]WL[99.447]C[According "to the books" this is the wong
> location to hane. At the time I was not strong enough to take advantage
> of such a move.]
> (;B[of]CR[of]BL[78.624]
> ;W[qg]CR[qg]WL[97.532]
> ;B[od]CR[od]BL[72.287]
> ;W[rd]CR[rd]WL[95.481]
> ;B[nf]CR[nf]BL[52.143]
> ;W[fc]CR[fc]WL[90.685]
> ;B[jc]CR[jc]BL[50]
> ;W[df]CR[df]WL[88.074]
> ;B[fd]CR[fd]BL[50]
> ;W[gd]CR[gd]WL[87.077]
> ;B[fe]CR[fe]BL[50]
> ;W[ec]CR[ec]WL[86.212]
> ;B[de]CR[de]BL[50]
> ;W[cb]CR[cb]WL[84.831]
> ;B[ge]CR[ge]BL[50]
> ;W[hd]CR[hd]WL[82.305]
> ;B[je]CR[je]BL[50]
> ;W[he]CR[he]WL[78.929]
> ;B[ci]CR[ci]BL[50]
> ;W[jq]CR[jq]WL[74.594]
> ;B[qk]CR[qk]BL[50]
> ;W[qc]CR[qc]WL[70.118]
> ;B[hq]CR[hq]BL[40]
> ;W[mq]CR[mq]WL[66.975]
> ;B[oq]CR[oq]BL[40]
> ;W[cn]CR[cn]WL[63.613]
> ;B[co]CR[co]BL[40]
> ;W[dn]CR[dn]WL[61.277]
> ;B[fp]CR[fp]BL[40]
> ;W[ck]CR[ck]WL[60.103]
> ;B[bn]CR[bn]BL[40]
> ;W[bm]CR[bm]WL[58.332]
> ;B[bo]CR[bo]BL[40]
> ;W[di]CR[di]WL[56.113]
> ;B[dh]CR[dh]BL[40]
> ;W[dj]CR[dj]WL[53.209]
> ;B[ch]CR[ch]BL[40]
> ;W[qn]CR[qn]WL[50]
> ;B[pn]CR[pn]BL[40]
> ;W[qo]CR[qo]WL[50]
> ;B[po]CR[po]BL[40]
> ;W[qp]CR[qp]WL[50]
> ;B[qm]CR[qm]BL[40]
> ;W[qq]CR[qq]WL[50]
> ;B[oh]CR[oh]BL[30]
> ;W[rm]CR[rm]WL[50]
> ;B[ql]CR[ql]BL[30]
> ;W[ph]CR[ph]WL[50]
> ;B[gm]CR[gm]BL[10]C[At this point black is leading. Today I would call
> this move slack.]
> ;W[hr]CR[hr]WL[50]
> ;B[iq]CR[iq]BL[10]
> ;W[ir]CR[ir]WL[50]
> ;B[jp]CR[jp]BL[10]
> ;W[kq]CR[kq]WL[50]
> ;B[kp]CR[kp]BL[10]
> ;W[lp]CR[lp]WL[50]C[A crucial mistake - I could not believe my eyes
> that Cornel, a strong 6 dan go player, would allow me such an
> opportunity.]
> ;B[lr]CR[lr]BL[10]
> ;W[lq]CR[lq]WL[50]C[Granted this was a blitz game. However, it *cannot
> be denied* that we both had the same time limits during this game.]
> ;B[mr]CR[mr]BL[10]
> ;W[gq]CR[gq]WL[50]
> ;B[gp]CR[gp]BL[10]
> ;W[fr]CR[fr]WL[50]
> ;B[fq]CR[fq]BL[10]
> ;W[gr]CR[gr]WL[50]
> ;B[kr]CR[kr]BL[10]
> ;W[jr]CR[jr]WL[50]
> ;B[er]CR[er]BL[10]
> ;W[ko]CR[ko]WL[50]C[Cornel's group is now weak and is fighting for it's
> life.]
> ;B[io]CR[io]BL[10]
> ;W[jo]CR[jo]WL[50]
> ;B[ip]CR[ip]BL[10]
> ;W[mn]CR[mn]WL[50]
> ;B[ml]CR[ml]BL[10]
> ;W[kl]CR[kl]WL[50]
> ;B[lm]CR[lm]BL[10]
> ;W[km]CR[km]WL[50]
> ;B[ln]CR[ln]BL[10]
> ;W[lo]CR[lo]WL[50]
> ;B[im]CR[im]BL[10]
> ;W[mk]CR[mk]WL[50]
> ;B[nl]CR[nl]BL[10]
> ;W[ll]CR[ll]WL[50]
> ;B[mm]CR[mm]BL[10]
> ;W[jm]CR[jm]WL[50]
> ;B[il]CR[il]BL[10]
> ;W[kj]CR[kj]WL[50]
> ;B[ek]CR[ek]BL[10]C[As I said, this game was a learning experience for
> me. I learned a lot about leaning attacks during this game and in my
> own private review after the game.]
> ;W[fi]CR[fi]WL[50]
> ;B[ii]CR[ii]BL[10]
> ;W[eh]CR[eh]WL[50]
> ;B[eg]CR[eg]BL[10]
> ;W[fg]CR[fg]WL[50]
> ;B[gh]CR[gh]BL[10]
> ;W[fh]CR[fh]WL[50]
> ;B[ef]CR[ef]BL[10]
> ;W[gg]CR[gg]WL[50]
> ;B[lj]CR[lj]BL[10]
> ;W[lk]CR[lk]WL[50]
> ;B[ej]CR[ej]BL[10]
> ;W[ei]CR[ei]WL[50]
> ;B[gj]CR[gj]BL[10]
> ;W[gi]CR[gi]WL[50]
> ;B[hh]CR[hh]BL[10]
> ;W[hg]CR[hg]WL[50]
> ;B[li]CR[li]BL[10]
> ;W[ki]CR[ki]WL[50]
> ;B[ig]CR[ig]BL[10]
> ;W[if]CR[if]WL[50]
> ;B[jg]CR[jg]BL[10]
> ;W[lh]CR[lh]WL[50]
> ;B[nj]CR[nj]BL[10]
> ;W[nk]CR[nk]WL[50]
> ;B[ni]CR[ni]BL[10]
> ;W[ol]CR[ol]WL[50]C[usagi [2d\]: Oops I clicked
> usagi [2d\]: hehe
> Cornel [6d\]: thanks
> usagi [2d\]: Welcome
> -----
>
> At this point I lost on time. It was a 10 second game, I clicked the
> mouse, but was apparently lagged. In the postgame, I discovered my
> slack play. Although I lost this game, I can feel confident that it was
> purely by chance. I had proven myself worthy of the rating '2 dan'.])
> (;B[qg]CR[qg]
> (;W[pe]CR[pe]
> ;B[qe]CR[qe]
> ;W[of]CR[of]
> ;B[rf]CR[rf])
> (;W[qe]CR[qe]
> ;B[pe]CR[pe])))
>
tweet
> Renli wrote:
>
>> Who knows, indeed. You obviously remember the game wrong, because it
>> was H4.
>
>
> Actually, I remembered it as H5 too. So I looked it up, and yes, the
> *first* game was a 5 handicap game. Cornel won by resignation:
Yes, it was a 5 handicap game, and the link below is the
correct game. Oliver Richman is fooling around here, just
like he is fooling around by saying his IGS account was
cleared.
CornelB
> you show a shocking lack of humility.
hey Mr. Fu aka tsukino on IGS back when we played our handi 5 game,
have a look to this sgf to refresh your memory..maybe you chased my
groups more but it seems yours died faster and bigger, enjoy
(;GM[1]FF[3]
SZ[19]KM[0.5]
PW[Cornel]
WR[6d*]
PB[tsukino]
BR[3k]
DT[2004-04-04]
SY[busted client]HA[5]AB[dd][pd][jj][dp][pp];W[qf];B[nc];W[pm];B[np];
W[cf];B[fc];W[ck];B[cn];W[mc];B[nd];W[qd];B[qc];W[pc];B[rd];W[qe];
B[pb];W[rc];B[oc];W[rb];B[jc];W[iq];B[eq];W[lq];B[lp];W[mq];B[kp];
W[mp];B[kq];W[mo];B[io];W[ho];B[hn];W[jo];B[jp];W[ip];B[in];W[kr];
B[jr];W[jq];B[lr];W[ko];B[ks];W[lo];B[kr];W[ir];B[mr];W[nr];B[nq];
W[or];B[pr];W[oq];B[op];W[pq];B[qr];W[qq];B[rq];W[qp];B[rp];W[qo];
B[ro];W[rn];B[bd];W[dh];B[md];W[cq];B[hp];W[gq];B[fr];W[go];B[hr];
W[hq];B[is];W[gr];B[gs];W[hs];B[qn];W[fs];B[pn];W[po];B[on];W[oo];
B[nn];W[no];B[dr];W[rm];B[qm];W[ql];B[pl];W[qk];B[pk];W[qj];B[pj];
W[pi];B[ph];W[oi];B[qh];W[ol];B[nl];W[ok];B[om];W[oj];B[lm];W[mn];
B[mm];W[pm];B[pl];W[og];B[oh];W[nh];B[pf];W[pg];B[qg];W[ng];B[rf];
W[re];B[se];W[sd];B[sg];W[sf];B[bj];W[bk];B[ci];W[di];B[cg];W[dg];
B[bf];W[ch];B[bg];W[bh];B[ce];W[gn];B[gm];W[jm];B[lj];W[jg];B[il];
W[km];B[kk];W[hc];B[he];W[mk];B[ll];W[id];B[jf];W[kc];B[kb];W[kf];
B[ke];W[if];B[ie];W[je];B[jd];W[kd];B[ld];W[le];B[lc];W[ke];B[ih];
W[jb]
C[
B resign.
Kind Go Regards,
Cornel 8d
P.S I see you improved from 3k also, not bad..rock on
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>
>>Renli (Oliver Richman) is pulling a fast one here. The game was a
>>5 stone handicap, and the game Renli posted below is not the one
>>he played on IGS.
>
>
> game I was and was not talking about? I clarified myself by posting a
> game record. As for IGS, I couldn't care less. If given the choice I'd
> rather play on Oro. It's a better service.
"As for IGS, I couldn't care less."
Then stay away from IGS.
"If given the choice I'd rather play on Oro. It's a better service."
Okay, I'll make the choice easier for you.
Bantari
Renli wrote:
> CornelB wrote:
> >
> > Hi Fu,
> >
> > I didnt save our game cause I havent find it very interesting but I
> > remember it was a handicap 5 game where most of your groups were chased
> > and probably you prefered to lose on time instead resign but this I can
> > understand...oh well, being a dan player and taking handi 5 from a top
> > dan player is not a shame, maybe is still better to be a top kyu
> > player, who knows..
>
> was H4. Mr. Burzo, while I respect you as a strong amateur Go player,
> you show a shocking lack of humility.
Maybe Cornel remembers this game:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.go/msg/ebedaa2ddecc8825?dmode=source&hl=en
It was 5h.
This is the game that came to *my* mind when Cornel mentioned a game
between the two of you.
_______________
-Bantari
http://www.bantari.net/
tweet
Right, it was a 5h game. Oliver Richman (Fu) should switch
to 3 card monte instead. Amazing he said:
"... shocking lack of humility."
CornelB
>
> Yes I lost. But this isn't a pissing contest. This is the shocking lack
> of humility that I spoke of before. You find it very difficult to admit
> you should have resigned in a H4 game. You got lucky and won because I
> was lagged.
>
> If you WANT to talk about the h5 game I can do that. But I don't want
> to, because it would be rude. I lost, and I admit it like a man. Thats
> why I *resigned*.
Fu,
I remember that before we played the handi 5 game there were some
discussions about that, now you come and say you could easily lose
handi 6 and bring the handi4 game as an example..but completely forget
to mention the handi 5 game which was the issue back then..you resigned
cause you were losing big, that's fine..
and in the handi 4 game you were expecting me to resign when actually I
have a fine position, in my opionion you couldnt kill the central
dragon, besides I think is bad way of thinking to expect your opponent
to resign just because you have some sweet illusions..
is hard to win won positions isnt it ?
Cheers, C
Bantari
CornelB wrote:
> and in the handi 4 game you were expecting me to resign when actually I
> have a fine position, in my opionion you couldnt kill the central
> dragon, besides I think is bad way of thinking to expect your opponent
> to resign just because you have some sweet illusions..
>
> is hard to win won positions isnt it ?
Not to mention the fact that it was a HANDI 4 game.
In handi games white plays with his back to the wall for most of the
time anyways.
This is why you, as black, don't count your ducks untill both sides
pass.
To make it simple:
If you expect white to resign when he is behind, he should resign
before his first move. :)
______________
-Bantari
http://www.bantari.net
Mef
Renli wrote:
> You can say you chased me around the board, cornel, but had I a few
> extra seconds to click my mouse I think I would have killed your center
> group and forced a resignation. You were 6d at this time, I was 2d.
>
> For you it is a "who knows" and not interesting. For me, it was a
> learning experience- No one can say I did not play to a standard
> deserving of 2 dan, relative to your 6 dan rank :)
>
> I present to you CORNEL 6d-USAGI 2d h4 game, commented. I daresay I've
> improved since then :) Ahh, but then again, so have you, haven't you
> Cornel?
While I'm certainly not the strongest player in this discussion, after
looking at the final board position of the H4 game and doing some brief
analysis, I'm pretty sure white is alive. While knowing where you tried
to play before losing on time would certainly simplify the task, I
don't think there's too much extra work involved without it...
I think it's safe to say that black has only 3 moves worth considering
(otherwise he loses his 5 stones): P7, O7, and O6. Since after p7 or
o7, wO6 lives, I'll assume your game move was going to be bO6.
bO6,
If white wants it he has an exchange on the bottom
wO3, bP2 (bO2?, wP4, bQ3 [bO4?, wP2, bQ3, wQ2], wN5, bO4, wP7, bO7,
wp5)
wO2, bO1,
wN1, bM1,
wK1, bP1
It will be helpful later to play it now, but I'm not sure that's
directly involved just yet, so white may leave it. Back to the area of
interest:
wP10, bQ11 (bP11?, wQ11, bQ10, wP9, bP13 [bP7?, wP13, bN12, wN10],
wR10, bQ9, wQ7),
wP11, bO12,
wQ10, bR11,
wR10, bS10,
wP7, and now black will certainly have to give something up and white
will live.
On the other hand, if black can force white to live small in gote and
then takes the biggest point (which I think is L12?, I'm not good at
vague early endgame positions so I won't try to analyze...). Then I
count that B has about 55-60 solid points, where white has about 35-40
solid points. Giving ~10 points for white sente, I count that leaves
about a roughly 10 point black lead that must be made up? I'd say this
is still an interesting game considering the 4 stone differential and
the large number of big moves still out there.
If anyone sees an error in my reading or reasoning feel free to correct
me.
Cheers,
Mef
Xiaoding
> Richman reminds me all too much of this other fool, Bush, so proud and
> arrogant about being so ignorant that facts don't get past the
> shields... or the fog...
>
>
> Yours,
> Michael
Well, screw you, you asswipe. You lose all credibility by your stupid
political remarks.
Loser.
Michael Alford
Ah, another neocon.
Harry Sigerson
This is just a handy place to come in.
> Actually, I remembered it as H5 too. So I looked it up, and yes, the
> *first* game was a 5 handicap game. Cornel won by resignation:
Reading your comment and having Notepadded that H4 file of Renli's
into a .sgf. I did the same with his H5 one for which you gave the link.
I take it that 'usagi' and 'tsukino' are both of them Renli's
usernames? Perhaps I've got that wrong.
I have wondered why some players find it necessary to have two
usernames? Perhaps it's what is done when one plays on different Go
servers?
I probably should not comment. I don't play almost at all but
should. I follow a lot of online games and enjoy them; I save and play a
good few games over; other games I don't so much 'save' as put into
limbo temporarily while playing them through.
There is the H5 game in which Cornel Burzo plays against usagi; and
there is the H4 game he plays against tsukino; both are played in the
same month, Aug 2004. Yet the H4/usagi game looked to me to be at a much
higher level than the H5/tsukino one. No doubt I'm missing the subtler
nuances of the Go game but whereas the H4/usagi game was played in a 10
-sec blitz mode the H5/tsukino game was played with a Time System set to
'None'.
Harry.
CornelB
> Cornel;
>
> Yes I lost.
Hi Fu,
Maybe you improved after losing the handi 5 game and felt ok in the
handi 4 game but I think you're a pretty deceitful person,
Rock on,
C
CornelB
> Do you think it is deceitful if you look on a webpage run by the US
> military, which clearly shows a different picture than the one tweet
> posts, and you say his picture is fake?
>
> Do you think it is deceitful if you pass along some information from
> your wife who has seen certain pictures in a book before, and tweet
> calls her an old hag because he disagrees?
>
> Do you think I am a kyu player? Do you think it is deceitful to say my
> play is double digit kyu standard by 2 korean pros? Please cornel, I am
> not the deceitful one.
>
> Do you think it is deceitful to maliciously alter the status of my
> account so that I cannot log on, and then ban me after the fact for
> comments I made on rec.games.go?
>
> Don't you think it is rather deceitful to accuse william shubert of
> stealing igs's source code?
>
> Cornel, I really think you need to re-examine your worldview if you
> feel I am *deceitful*. I can admit I am wrong, when faced with facts.
> But it is strange that others cannot do so. No, it is deceitful to
> accuse me of being responsible for the IGS art gallery being taken down
> - even in part. I had nothing to do with that yet certain people will
> push that down your throat to this day.
>
> It was also deceitful of malf to say an IGS administrator told him my
> password had been changed several times. I am still waiting for the
> logs. You see, they don't know when I requested my password, and you
> cant really fake a mail header, since I got them through google - I
> caught them red handed in a lie and I am the deceitful one? Cornel I am
> really suprised at you. Don't become their crony, think for yourself.
>
You're despicable.
Rich
> No, the people who tried to hurt my feelings by calling me a kyu player
> are despicable.
Why? What's so bad about being a Kyu player?
:P
Rich
tweet
> delight in saying it... strange, wasn't everyone a "kyu level" (color
> belt for example) at first?
This is the second time you said this about me. On Oct 10
you stated ...
"Your a big jerk tweet. How dare you insult other people
for being a certain strength at go, as if that was something bad?"
I asked for a cite and source for this then, and you still
haven't produced it. You consistantly attribute things to
me I never said, and each time you did this, I asked you to
produce the cite and source, and so far you haven't. You
just make things up.
>
> Glad we can finally agree on something, sir
>
> -
>
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>> I asked for a cite and source for this then, and you still
>> haven't produced it. You consistantly attribute things to
>> me I never said, and each time you did this, I asked you to
>> produce the cite and source, and so far you haven't. You
>> just make things up.
>
>
> show my password has been changed several times. If you cannot produce
> these logs, then you must explain why you disabled the password on my
> account, or otherwise caused it not to accept my password. And if it
> wasn't you, I want to know who did it, and who authorized it.
>
> And I want to know right now. Don't bother posting about anything else,
> I demand that my question be answerd.
>
> -
>
From: "Renli" <oliver.rich...@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.games.go,rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Video Proof: My account on IGS has been cleared again
Date: 17 Oct 2006 19:10:56 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Don't try to change the subject.