PokerStars tournament all-in pot equities v. pots won

[Steve Brecher]

Using emailed hand histories, I tabulated the results of 1675 pots in
PokerStars tournaments in which betting ended prior to the river because
players in the pot were all-in, and in which none of the all-in players was
drawing dead. The great majority of the tournaments were multi-table; a few
were two-table, and fewer still single-table. There were a total of 3420
all-in hands (usually two per pot, but in a few instances three or even
four).

For each all-in, I collected the player's equity in the pot at the time of
the all-in and the proportion of the pot the player won (1.0 for a win, 0.0
for a loss, 0.5 for a two-way split, etc.) The pot equity of a hand is the
average proportion of the pot that a player would win over the long run.
For example, in the following sample Hold 'Em Showdown output,

990 pots with board cards: Tc 9d 7s

9h9s 8d8s
% chance of outright win 74.040404 24.343434
% chance of win or split 75.656566 25.959596
expected return, % of pot 74.848485 25.151515
fair pot odds:1 0.336032 2.975904
pots won: 741.00 249.00

--the "expected return, % of pot" result shows the pot equity of each hand.

The chi square statistic does not indicate significant variance of actual
from expected (3392.7 on 3421 hands). A plot of rolling 30-"bin" averages
of sorted equity vs. pots won looks linear; the linear regression is
y = 0.9908x + 0.0045
which is not significantly different from the theoretical y = 1.0x + 0 that
describes the "no dealing bias" case.

Looking at the "big" favorites/underdogs, and expressing the favorite's
chances as odds against the underdog:

Odds at least # of hands Avg equity Avg pot won
2:1 1121 0.8123 0.8134
3:1 753 0.8617 0.8597
4:1 623 0.8806 0.8777
9:1 260 0.9383 0.9321

In sum, I see no evidence that "bad beats" are more frequent than expected.

(I am grateful to Paul Pudaite for analytical guidance, but any errors are
my own.)

--
For mail, please use my surname where indicated:
st...@surname.reno.nv.us (Steve Brecher)

[Runner Runner]

"Steve Brecher" <s...@my.signature.at.end> wrote in message news:<ba8uf...@enews2.newsguy.com>...

> Using emailed hand histories, I tabulated the results of 1675 pots in
> PokerStars tournaments in which betting ended prior to the river because
> players in the pot were all-in, and in which none of the all-in players was
> drawing dead.

<snip some details of a much needed study>

> In sum, I see no evidence that "bad beats" are more frequent than expected.
>
> (I am grateful to Paul Pudaite for analytical guidance, but any errors are
> my own.)

A couple of questions:

What do you mean by: "Using emailed hand histories"?

Did the hand histories come from multiple sources and if so how were
they chosen and controlled?

Do you, Paul Pudaite, or anyone involved in this study work in the
poker industry or financially related fields.

Did PokerStars provide any assistance with your study.

You are a well known and I believe respected RGP poster. I am sure
you are also well known personally by many on RGP. I am not trying to
undermine your work but I think it is important to know where it is
coming from. This is not just your theory or strictly an opinion. It
is a presentation of data and conclusions and as such could assume the
status of fact.

This is great stuff if not tainted either by sample size, statistical
problems, or other bias. The crux of the question surrounding online
poker site dealing/randomness integrity revolves around lack of
accountability. When any audit is done factors in addition to the
results assume equal importance. Integrity is important when
examining integrity.

I would simplly like to see the bar set higher for acceptance of
results in terms of non-statistical bias. Lord knows if you posted
something that appeared statistically biased you would hear about it
here on RGP. Let's make the accountability requirements equally high.
That is, at least as much as can be done in the anonymous world of
newsgroup personalities and unregulated offshore online poker sites.

RR

[AlwaysAware]

I am also curious about the buy in amounts of these tournament hand histories.
Do higher buy in's make a difference in any way? Do $100 tourney's have less
"suck out" potential than freerolls? And what portions did your hand histories
represent?

Thanks
Joan

>(Runner Runner)

[Gary Carson]

On 19 May 2003 16:10:42 GMT, alway...@aol.com (AlwaysAware) wrote:

>I am also curious about the buy in amounts of these tournament hand
histories. >Do higher buy in's make a difference in any way? Do $100
tourney's have less>"suck out" potential than freerolls? And what
portions did your hand histories>represent?

Don't forget sunspots and tides.

A good conspiracy theory cannot be killed.

[AlwaysAware]

Hey:

I am not doubting Steve's work, and I think it is good that he did it.. I am
not a math whiz nor am I a conpiracy subscriber... but common sense tells me
that less skilled players may be in the freerolls more than in the higher buy
in tourney's and therefore, more likely to move in chips with KQ get called by
JT and 77 and have AA also call and go down in flames. Doesn't skill play some
part in the outcome - i.e. less likely for the opportunity of certain suck
outs?

Joan

>garyc...@alumni.northwestern.edu (Gary Carson)

[Chris O'Connor]

On May 19 2003 12:45PM, Gary Carson wrote:

> Don't forget sunspots and tides.
>
> A good conspiracy theory cannot be killed.

Is this a 'planet X' reference, Gary?

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[Gary Carson]

On 19 May 2003 16:59:01 GMT, alway...@aol.com (AlwaysAware) wrote:

>Hey:
>
>I am not doubting Steve's work, and I think it is good that he did
it.. I am
>not a math whiz nor am I a conpiracy subscriber... but common sense
tells me
>that less skilled players may be in the freerolls more than in the
higher buy
>in tourney's and therefore, more likely to move in chips with KQ get
called by
>JT and 77 and have AA also call and go down in flames. Doesn't skill
play some
>part in the outcome - i.e. less likely for the opportunity of certain
suck
>outs?

I see, my sarcasm was misplaced, sorry about that.

You don't fully understand what he did.

You're probably right that games with more people willing to go allin
when far behind will have more longshot draws hit. That's just
because they'll have more longshot draws.

There's no real way to test whether more draws are attempted than
expected because the number of draws expected depends on playing
decisions.

What he looked at was the number of draws made given a certain number
of attempts. We can compute that expected number. We can't predict
how many times people draw to gutshots, but we can predict how often
those attempts will get there. That's what he looked at -- the
frequency of hits relative to the frequency of attempts.

Yoiu might expect the frequency of gutshots made to be higher in
smaller events, but not the relative frequency.

[Steve Brecher]

"Runner Runner" <noteno...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Steve Brecher" <s...@my.signature.at.end> wrote in message
news:<ba8uf...@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> > Using emailed hand histories, I tabulated the results of 1675 pots in
> > PokerStars tournaments in which betting ended prior to the river because
> > players in the pot were all-in, and in which none of the all-in players
was
> > drawing dead.
>
> <snip some details of a much needed study>
>
> > In sum, I see no evidence that "bad beats" are more frequent than
expected.
> >
> > (I am grateful to Paul Pudaite for analytical guidance, but any errors
are
> > my own.)
>
>
> A couple of questions:
>
> What do you mean by: "Using emailed hand histories"?
>
> Did the hand histories come from multiple sources and if so how were
> they chosen and controlled?

No, they came from a signle source -- myself. The hand histories are
those of all the PokerStars tournaments in which I have played.

> Do you, Paul Pudaite, or anyone involved in this study work in the
> poker industry or financially related fields.

No.

> Did PokerStars provide any assistance with your study.

No.

[Steve Brecher]

"AlwaysAware" <alway...@aol.com> wrote:
> I am also curious about the buy in amounts of these tournament hand
histories.
> Do higher buy in's make a difference in any way? Do $100 tourney's have
less
> "suck out" potential than freerolls?

They were all hold 'em tournaments (I forgot to mention that in my original
post). Almost all were no-limit or pot-limit; a couple were limit. The
majority were $50+5; some were $200+15 and a few were other buy-in amounts.
None were freerolls.

I don't have any breakdowns of the results by type of tournament.

> And what portions did your hand histories represent?

(If this means what portion of each tournament--) The portion from the
start of the tournament until I busted out or won, for all-in hands at
tables at which I was playing.

[Steve Brecher]

"AlwaysAware" <alway...@aol.com> wrote:
> ... common sense tells me

> that less skilled players may be in the freerolls more than in the higher
buy
> in tourney's and therefore, more likely to move in chips with KQ get
called by
> JT and 77 and have AA also call and go down in flames. Doesn't skill play
some
> part in the outcome - i.e. less likely for the opportunity of certain suck
> outs?

Perhaps -- I don't know -- there may be more all-ins and hence a higher
absolute number of suck outs in some kinds of events as opposed to other
kinds. What I was studying, however, was, given that two or more players
were all in, how well hands held up vis-a-vis how well they should hold up
if the cards dealt to the board were randomly selected from the set of
unseen cards.

[Steve Brecher]

"Steve Brecher" <s...@my.signature.at.end> wrote:

> ... The hand histories are

> those of all the PokerStars tournaments in which I have played.

Correction: I started collecting hand histories after I played some
tournaments. So the hand histories used in the study were those of all the
PokerStars tournaments in which I have played since I started collecting
hand histories.

[AlwaysAware]

>garyc...@alumni.northwestern.edu (Gary Carson)

>I see, my sarcasm was misplaced, sorry about that.
>

sarcasm only works on me when the subject matter isn't already over my head..
though, I figured it for (most likely) that - I took the opportunity to clarify
the reason for my question.

As for the rest of your post, it will take me awhile to digest, expect an
answer in 2004 :-)

Joan

[Alix Martin]

"Steve Brecher" <s...@my.signature.at.end> wrote in message news:<bab3m...@enews3.newsguy.com>...

Side question : in NL holdem preflop all-ins, for the different hands,
how much ev is won/lost in comparison with folding before the all-in
bet ? Raising hands can afford to have negative ev when called since
they win when not called. Calling hands should have positive ev, but
is this true for the KQ and JT that many people take all in ?

Additional classication possibilities : (players left to act * all-in
move / pot size) , Steve Brecher / random pokerstar players

Alix

[Hristo Kasabov]

What in the name of ... is these idiot rivers ?

Why make this shuffel ? and why is not fair ?
Why support the biggest stack ? Biggest stack won on any 2 cards ?
And why river never help me and always help against me ?

I watch lot of tounaments with pro players i never see these shits against them.

Watch this.

http://aldarion.bgmeet.com/omg8.png -- only in yopur dream can happen this.
http://aldarion.bgmeet.com/omg10.png -- what is the chance for that ?
http://aldarion.bgmeet.com/omg11.png
http://aldarion.bgmeet.com/omg12.png
http://aldarion.bgmeet.com/omg13.png
http://aldarion.bgmeet.com/omg14.png - haha sure.....all in preflop sure.
http://aldarion.bgmeet.com/omg15.png
http://aldarion.bgmeet.com/omg16.png
http://aldarion.bgmeet.com/omg17.png
http://aldarion.bgmeet.com/omg18.png
http://aldarion.bgmeet.com/omg19.png -- what in the name of .. is this ? re-raise after the flop ? he was 100% sure will won. why ? i am half man or i not deserve to win ?
http://aldarion.bgmeet.com/omg20.png - this is 5 minutes ago. all in preflop by me, called by idiot.


i have ower 1000 saved hands. like these.

i think is good idea put them on youtube, twitter, facebook. If they are deleted will make own site - is not hard..Players must know what will face when play in pokerstars.
Why this was not happen on Fullilt for example ? There AA was AA, KK was KK, and 8 9 beat AK 1 to 100 hands.


Now who smart man can explain these rivers.
Before put some stupid answer like - it`s poker, happen, or badbeat, grab deck cards and see after how many hands will come these rivers.

becouse i try this and the result was amazing. 1 to 100 hands put this 1%.





I will wait to see who will answer, for now i am sure will have zero answers.

[aahh...@ya.ru]

online pokerstars not all honestly, I think that there is a list where there are players that give out bogus hand, if you are in the list, how would you play you will lose!

[aahh...@ya.ru]

its jokerstars
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/545167_6AC232B801

[aahh...@ya.ru]

proof that at PokerStars ace falls more, the king and queen, too (russian text)

http://ru.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=41168&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&page=25

Сегодня сыграл 5 часов по 20 столов, и минус 40 баин

мой ник: Muha 77

[shi...@rkmail.ru]

понедельник, 19 мая 2003 г., 2:05:15 UTC+4 пользователь Steve Brecher написал:
> Using emailed hand histories, I tabulated the results of 1675 pots in PokerStars tournaments in which betting ended prior to the river because players in the pot were all-in, and in which none of the all-in players was drawing dead. The great majority of the tournaments were multi-table; a few were two-table, and fewer still single-table. There were a total of 3420 all-in hands (usually two per pot, but in a few instances three or even four).For each all-in, I collected the player's equity in the pot at the time of the all-in and the proportion of the pot the player won (1.0 for a win, 0.0 for a loss, 0.5 for a two-way split, etc.) The pot equity of a hand is the average proportion of the pot that a player would win over the long run. For example, in the following sample Hold 'Em Showdown output,990 pots with board cards: Tc 9d 7s9h9s 8d8s % chance of outright win 74.040404 24.343434 % chance of win or split 75.656566 25.959596 expected return, % of pot 74.848485 25.151515 fair pot odds:1 0.336032 2.975904pots won: 741.00 249.00--the "expected return, % of pot" result shows the pot equity of each hand. The chi square statistic does not indicate significant variance of actual from expected (3392.7 on 3421 hands). A plot of rolling 30-"bin" averages of sorted equity vs. pots won looks linear; the linear regression is y = 0.9908x + 0.0045 which is not significantly different from the theoretical y = 1.0x + 0 that describes the "no dealing bias" case.Looking at the "big" favorites/underdogs, and expressing the favorite's chances as odds against the underdog:Odds at least # of hands Avg equity Avg pot won2:1 1121 0.8123 0.8134 3:1 753 0.8617 0.85974:1 623 0.8806 0.87779:1 260 0.9383 0.9321In sum, I see no evidence that "bad beats" are more frequent than expected. (I am grateful to Paul Pudaite for analytical guidance, but any errors are my own.)-- For mail, please use my surname where indicated: st...@surname.reno.nv.us (Steve Brecher)

На данную "ЛАБУДУ" я изложил свои аргументы, но ПОСТ мой УДАЛИЛИ, так как ВОЗРАЗИТЬ ОКАЗАЛОСЬ НЕЧЕГО. В своем посте я назвал МОШЕННИКОМ "автора" сей "лабуды", который занимается ЭЛЕМЕНТАРНЫМ ОБМАНОМ, выгораживающий Покер Старс, где МОШЕННИЧЕСТВО и ПОДЛОГ-ОБЫЧНОЕ ДЕЛО!!!
Требую ВЕРНУТЬ мой пост, а если ВОЗРАЗИТЬ НЕЧЕГО-НЕ ВРИТЕ!!!

[Firstname Lastname]

Brech,

You did your analysis all wrong. First, you need to select hands where one opponent was dominated.

You'll find that grace from pokerstars is given at a higher rate the more you are dominated. You need something like AA vs KK....or AA vs AK....things like that.

Furthermore, you need to find a way to track the results of the dominating hands after they've been on a recent rush.

What usually happens after a big rush, is Stars gives you an unbelievable run of powerful hands that gets clobbered back to back to back and brings you right back down if you go all-in with them.

[florea_i...@yahoo.com]

pokerstars a site where the soft is run by the few ....a big cowenry made by those thiefs......random shuffle cards is only an illusion

[florea_i...@yahoo.com]

a joke invented (random shuffle cards)how in earth can they recognise is a cowenry they must find a reason to hide that is a cowenry because otherwise they will lose raiting

[florea_i...@yahoo.com]

pozition,style.....tactics ,school of poker... in order to reduce the chances to lose..(random shuffle cards)..is all BULL SHIT

[florea_i...@yahoo.com]

pokerstars is a big cowenry some players just are not allowed to advance any further....a hav played at bigger staks also and it seems to me no difference

[shi...@rkmail.ru]

суббота, 22 сентября 2012 г., 0:07:03 UTC+4 пользователь (неизвестно) написал:

> pozition,style.....tactics ,school of poker... in order to reduce the chances to lose..(random shuffle cards)..is all BULL SHIT

На эту страничку меня перенаправили Покер Старс, когда ОПРАВДЫВАТЬСЯ у них НЕ БЫЛО АРГУМЕНТОВ, то что ОНИ МОШЕННИЧЕСКОЕ БЫДЛО, БЫДЛЯЦКОГО, ВОРОВСКОГО румма! Но когда я увидел весь ЭТОТ БРЕД про "анализ" игранных рук на этом румме, Я ПОНЯЛ: ЭТИ ТВАРИ ПРОСТО ИЗДЕВАЮТСЯ, переправляя по этой ссылке НЕДОВОЛЬНЫХ ИГРОКОВ. Все ЧИТАЮТ ЭТОТ БРЕД и ПОНИМАЮТ, ЧТО ИХ ПРОСТО "КИНУЛИ"(ОБМАНУЛИ) УРОДЫ МОШЕННИЧЕСКОГО РУММА Покер Старс. Примитивно это выглядит ТАК: приходит игрок на Покер Старс, делает ДЕПОЗИТ, ИГРАЕТ-проигрывает, делает ДЕПОЗИТ, опять играет-проигрывает и так, пока не задумается-А ПОЧЕМУ ТАК ВСЕ ТУПО? Попытается узнать у "обслуги" румма, а те ему сначала будут "ВЕШАТЬ ЛАПШУ НА УШИ"-просто ВРАТЬ, а когда он им надоест со своими вопросами, да и отвечать на них станет НЕЧЕГО, вот тогда они и "ОБОСНОВЫВАЮТ" свою "ЧЕСТНОСТЬ" "статистикой" ПОДОБНОГО ЭТОМУ Брешу ДЕБИЛОИДА! А ЭТА ПРОСТИТУТКА Бреш, так и не ответил мне, ГНИДА! И у ЭТОГО ГАВНОПИДОРА НЕЧЕГО МНЕ СООБЩИТЬ по существу! УРОДЫ! Такую игру ИЗГАДИЛИ, СУКИ!!!

[cistern...@libero.it]

ma quali mani casuali,nn e normale perdere 10 sit di seguito con la mano migliore in mano,e poi AA A10 perche mi ha fatto tre volte colore?????e poi in heads up perche tutti e due fanno un punto forter,mentre dal vivo per la maggiorparte delle volte anche se si e 3/4 in gioco in una mano il spesso nessuno fa coppia sul flop??? mentre online si.basta questo nn e poker ma una semplice macchinetta!!!mettetevelo tutti in testa ,io nn gioco piu come prima ma a volte penso che se tocca a me vale la pena rischiare!!ciao

[koukos...@gmail.com]

καναδυο ερωτηματα
ειδα πολλεσ φερεσ θεση να νικαει παντα και με χειτερο φυλλο
στατιστικα μπορειτε να μου πειτε πωσ γινετε 3 φορεσ οι αα να χασουν απο αQ στο ιδιο τουρνουα
στα 3 πρωτα φυλλα να εχεισ 3 ιδια ο αντιπαλλοσ τιποτα η ζευγαρη μεγαλυτερο απο το δικο σου και να χανεισ στα επομενα 2 φυλλα απο χρωμμα κεντα με 3 μεγαλυτερα του αντιπαλου
αν σου τυχαινει με ποσοστο50% τα παραπανω δεν τρεχει κατι?

[collants...@yahoo.fr]

Pokerstar make win always the same player ! Some finish in win places 15 times in one day. Its just impossible !
And the river ?! Decide 99% of time the game !

[collants...@yahoo.fr]

A winner count on pokerstar ! We are the 10october, he have win already 20.000$.
Winner of the million just after subscribe on pokerstar ! Her 11th MTT, he win the million. After win, win ! Thats a winner count !

2012 October 63/354 18% 2+1 11% $20,564
2012 September 217/1373 16% 7+10 12% $154,933
2012 August 168/1173 14% 12 10% $90,804
2012 July 114/822 14% 7+1 10% $46,650
2012 June 115/933 12% 8 9% $76,451
2012 May 137/1108 12% 10 9% $211,441
2012 April 97/777 12% 4 8% $55,226
2012 March 162/1165 14% 12 11% $99,308
2012 February 275/1754 16% 12 10% $156,606
2012 January 227/1579 14% 22+2 11% $163,778
2011 December 166/1225 14% 16 10% $116,774
2011 November 193/1393 14% 22 11% $112,957
2011 October 177/1353 13% 15+1 10% $136,914
2011 September 229/1434 16% 16+4 11% $152,243
2011 August 185/1330 14% 23+1 10% $97,677
2011 July 205/1444 14% 24 10% $98,350
2011 June 141/949 15% 12 10% $82,244
2011 May 95/659 14% 7 10% $119,827
2011 April 34/234 15% 2 11% $93,165
2011 March 42/327 13% 1 9% $12,728
2011 February 67/439 15% 5 13% $40,838
2011 January 93/685 14% 5 10% $31,002
2010 December 123/1000 12% 12 9% $41,932
2010 November 46/407 11% 5 9% $10,606
2010 October 9/89 10% 1 10% $20,612
2010 September1/11 9% 0 0% $34
2010 August 1/12 8% 0 8% $99
2010 July 13/99 13% 1 9% $23,364
2010 June 19/116 16% 4 15% $72,805
2010 May 9/88 10% 0 8% $5,711
2010 April 15/160 9% 0 8% $13,440
2010 March 25/171 15% 3 12% $111,922
2010 February 1/11 9% 1 9% $205,571

[cyrila...@gmail.com]

[vangel...@gmail.com]

Hi what do you say here is not correct in mathematical way, thats one fact.
Its great to show higher level of tournaments, but we all know that we are more talking about mincash tournaments or cash games. Just to know i started to play just because i heard about this problems. 3 days i played i get 21 lost to 3 win when i was min 70% bettter..... can you explain that? I havent win no coinflip 5 to 0 and to be fair i win 1 situation when i had just 30%. Thats really weird.
Im know going throuh stats to see some algoritm in these.
Great day NV

[diamondc...@gmail.com]

what bs
how many times do you see flush cards and sucks outs
please this site enhances betting
do you really think its real?
please its a software and a software can be programmed to cheat

I hope pokerstar and other poker sites get caught and the only one;s that can stop them is
too many complaints
and the cops gets involved

[figueiri...@gmail.com]

Segunda-feira, 19 de Maio de 2003 15:46:11 UTC+1, Runner Runner escreveu:
> "Steve Brecher" <s...@my.signature.at.end> wrote in message news:<ba8uf...@enews2.newsguy.com>...

> > Using emailed hand histories, I tabulated the results of 1675 pots in
> > PokerStars tournaments in which betting ended prior to the river because
> > players in the pot were all-in, and in which none of the all-in players was
> > drawing dead.
>

> <snip some details of a much needed study>
>

> > In sum, I see no evidence that "bad beats" are more frequent than expected.
> >
> > (I am grateful to Paul Pudaite for analytical guidance, but any errors are
> > my own.)
>
>

> A couple of questions:
>
> What do you mean by: "Using emailed hand histories"?
>
> Did the hand histories come from multiple sources and if so how were
> they chosen and controlled?
>

> Do you, Paul Pudaite, or anyone involved in this study work in the
> poker industry or financially related fields.
>

> Did PokerStars provide any assistance with your study.
>
>

> You are a well known and I believe respected RGP poster. I am sure
> you are also well known personally by many on RGP. I am not trying to
> undermine your work but I think it is important to know where it is
> coming from. This is not just your theory or strictly an opinion. It
> is a presentation of data and conclusions and as such could assume the
> status of fact.
>
> This is great stuff if not tainted either by sample size, statistical
> problems, or other bias. The crux of the question surrounding online
> poker site dealing/randomness integrity revolves around lack of
> accountability. When any audit is done factors in addition to the
> results assume equal importance. Integrity is important when
> examining integrity.
>
> I would simplly like to see the bar set higher for acceptance of
> results in terms of non-statistical bias. Lord knows if you posted
> something that appeared statistically biased you would hear about it
> here on RGP. Let's make the accountability requirements equally high.
> That is, at least as much as can be done in the anonymous world of
> newsgroup personalities and unregulated offshore online poker sites.
>
> RR

[figueiri...@gmail.com]

I play poker for the FIRST TIME in my entire life,in pokerstars,and after 3 minutes of game i had a POKER.My opponent gets a ROYAL STREET FLUSH with a card in the turn and another in the river.A matematician told me that the probalities of this are so low,that even playng for 3000 years,every day, 8 hours a day,that should never happen.Its fantastic how i get this in 3 minutes,playing poker for the firs time. It happened 15/december/2012 in the hand #9075992679 of pokerstars.

[wixo...@gmail.com]

MA SE E' TUTTO CASUALE...............PERCHE':
-IL CHIP LEADER ALLO SHOW DOWN VINCE QUASI SEMPRE ANCHE CON CARTE RIDICOLE?
-PERCHE' CON DUE KK SERVITI AL FLOP ESCE QUASI SEMPRE L'ASSO?
-PERCHE' DUE ASSI SERVITI DIFFICILMENTE VINCONO?
-PERCHE' I BUONI CLIENTI DI POKERSTARS (QUELLI CON TANTE STELLINE) HANNO TANTISSIME MANI CON MOSTER CARD?
-PERCHE' QUANDO UN GIOCATORE E' CORTO GLI ARRIVANO SEMPRE BELLE CARTE PER FARE ALLIN E PUNTUALMENTE PERDE?
-PERCHE' NEI TORNEI CON GRANDI PREMI, AI PRIMI POSTI ARRIVANO GIOCATORI MAI
-SENTITI NE' MAI VISTI GIOCARE?
-PERCHE' ESCONO TANTISSIMI ASSI?
-PERCHE' AL RIVER ESCE SPESSISSIMO L'ASSO?
-PERCHE' SE VINCI UNA SERA POI PER SETTIMANE NON RIESCI A VINCERE NEANCHE CON SCALA REALE?
-PERCHE' SE TI AZZARDI A FARE UN PRELIEVO POI PER MESI NON RIESCI PIU' A VINCERE NEANCHE UN TORNEO PER BAMBINI?
-PERCHE' KA QA JA INCONTRA QUASI SEMPRE UNA COPPIA?
-PERCHE' QA INCONTRA QUASI SEMPRE KA?

IN CONCLUSIONE, CAPISCO CHE UN TORNEIO NON DEVE DURARE GIORNI.......MA NON CI FACESSERO CREDERE CHE SIA TUTTO CASUALE!!!!!!!!
PURTROPPO DANNO TROPPE CONDIZIONI AL SOFTWARE PER VELOCIZZARE I TORNEI E FAVORIRE CHI SANNO LORO...........

[alexis.l...@gmail.com]

que des salopes c'est bâtard de pokerstars

[umbert...@hotmail.it]

[nick_n...@hotmail.co.uk]

What a load of baloney. It's very rare for me to put my chip stack in behind. When my chips are in i usually see their 2% become 100% by the river. Pokerstars u suck! And Iam not just having a rant. It's so true. It disgusts me. Hence I don't play there anymore.

[meme]

Mr Steve,

How much did P.star pay you for this article?

Pstar takes into the account the amount of money you have on your account, your history of deposits, your current frequent player points (or whatever they call it).
Its just a big scam, all of it.

I hope the scumbag money-laundering-owner will burn in hell.

[mihaj...@gmail.com]

Dne ponedeljek, 19. maj 2003 00:05:15 UTC+2 je oseba Steve Brecher napisala:

> Using emailed hand histories, I tabulated the results of 1675 pots in
> PokerStars tournaments in which betting ended prior to the river because
> players in the pot were all-in, and in which none of the all-in players was

> In sum, I see no evidence that "bad beats" are more frequent than expected.
>
> (I am grateful to Paul Pudaite for analytical guidance, but any errors are
> my own.)
>

> --
> For mail, please use my surname where indicated:
> st...@surname.reno.nv.us (Steve Brecher)

pa to so sami izgovori,kak so porazdeljene karte,a nihče od vas na PokerStarsu pa ne govori in ne prizna o goljufiji!!!!!! Ne verjamem vam več na besedo,da je vse pošteno,kajti sam vidim da ni tako,kot VI trdite na PokerStarsu,temveč vas je sama ena velika GOLJUFIJA !!!!!!!!!!! Take GOLJUFE,kot ste VI na PokerStarsu,je treba dat v javnost,da se razve po celem svetu,kaki goljufi ste,ne pa da se delate neke "poštene"!Niste in nikoli me ne boste prepričali,da je iz vaše strani vse " ČISTO ",kajti,kot sem vam rekel ze,da sam vidim na lastne oči,kakšne karte dobivam,zato mi ne govorit o "slučaju"!Jas še bi vam verjel na besedo,ampak na tak način pa ze ne,da enkrat ali pa parkrat zmagaš,kot na primer ENA na ENA,potem pa izgubiš skoraj DVAJSET KRAT ali pa za STO PROCENTOV ali pa preko,kar zaporedoma ! Ni to malo vse skupaj čudno,da potem zgubiš milionkrat zaporedom,pa lahko igraš kak hočeš ali ionako ali tako,pa še lahko misliš zraven ko nor,ampak boš vseeno izgubil ! Saj pravim ves čas,to je ze vse skupaj res smešno in čudno,ko da je to vse skupaj tako nastavljeno,kajti ne bo nekdo sčlil pamet,da se ne da tako nastavit,tak kot VI mi trdite ves čas na PokerStarsu ! In take GOLJUFE bi trebalo ze zdavnaj zapret in ukinit PokerStars iz spleta,ne pa da še kar naprej napizduje po medijih in po turnirjih,kak so pošteni ! Tak bi morali naredit,kot se je to zgodilo na Full Tilt Poker,ko so govorili vodilni mozje,da je vse pošteno a na koncu se je izkazalo,da le ni bilo vse "ČISTO" in so se tozili med igralcem in z vodilnimi,samo da ste sedaj Vi prevzeli to licenco in zato ste ga vzeli,da boste še več pokradli in okrog prenašali igralce ! Pa še to,da ne pozabim napisat,kot sem prebral na vaši spletni strani,da je rekel tale VAŠ majstor PACO HOPE,vodja Cigital spletnih storitev,recitiram njegovo izjavo " RESNIČNO NAKLJUČNE ŠTEVILKE SO JEDRO POŠTENIH SPLETNIH IGER NA SREČO ",ja in moj odgovor je,da bi moral on PACO HOPE drugače povedat in to je,kak se punijo zepi in kak se krade !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Saj pravim VAS bi moral dat nekdo v javnost in povedat vsem,kaj se dogaja na PokerStarsu,da NI nobene POŠTENOSTI temveč VAS je sama ena velika LOPOVŠČINA oz.GOLJUFI ali kak se reče v angleškem jeziku " cheat,swingller " tako nekak se reče,kajti ne znam dobro angleški jezik,kajti če bi znal govorit,potem verjemte mi,da bi vam marsikaj napisal v angleščini in to ne lepe besede,kajti je ze dosti to,kaj JAS osebno mislim o VAS in to je da ste ena veliki GOLJUFI na PokerStarsu in pa na spletu ! Upam da boste nekoč PROPADLI zaradi goljufije,ki se je to zgodilo z FULL TILT POKER ! Nič nimam lepo mišljenje o vas,temveč samo najslabše,kajti na začetku,ko sem postal vaš član,sem imel lepo mišljenje o VAS,toda sedaj zadnje čase,to kar se dogaja,pa sem drugačnega mnenja in na tem bom tudi ostal,dokler ne boste,do igralcev počteni tak kak je treba ! Na tak način,kot ga VI izvajate med potek iger,potem lahko vsak izgubi,pa si lahko kak pametn,ampak proti goljufom ne moraš NIČ,če veste kaj sem mislil z temi besedami rečt ! lep pozdrav in upam da boste me razumeli,da to kar se dogaja pri VAS mi ni vseeno,kajti potemtakem jas ne vidim več prihodnosti pri vas in potem jas ne vem zakaj bi bil še jas vaš član,ko pa je to vse skupaj ena velika " IGRA " ! Na tak način boste izgubili člane oz.IGRALCE,če ga boste tako LOMILI ! uPAM,DA BOSTE MI ZNALI ODGOVORIT NA TO VPRAŠANJE ?! lukas426

[mel712...@gmail.com]

this is all set on by pokerstars this is not accurate info so please dont listen to it

[mel712...@gmail.com]

it not even certified intel this is a joke just random bullshit put on here for ppl to believe to funny.. nice cover up pokerstars

[bet...@gmail.com]

i love pokerstars

[888viol...@gmail.com]

Le lundi 19 mai 2003 00:05:15 UTC+2, Steve Brecher a écrit :

[ptrb...@gmail.com]

hi why are the sponcer players always cashing on poker stars right will give another exsample kid poker danny n said on twitter that he will play way $10 and turn it into $100 no bother he bet thousands way his mates friends and all the publicity was good for poker stars there was thousands watching and guess what he turned $10 into $100 well $3 under in 1 hour now do you not know the odds in that 100/1 my friend a poker pro and said well look at full tilt and named other sites use no who they are now come on they look after there own ave put in over £20000 pound sterling but a can afford it a play for fun but the digging ave been doing phil ivey said it like a slot machine you meant to win 15% well we now no that not true so tell me you maybe here 1 story a guy came from nowere won money but best bit is they hate paying you put shocking thbey moan and groan

[milet...@gmail.com]

This research is more then 10 years old, so its not valid in any way.This study is probably made under the influence of pokerstars or better name for them Jokestars and if we mention the source of played hands from this study there is no quesstion that the same study is a froud as same as jokestars.Fact is that there are so many bad beats way out more then it should be and the same princip that jokestars is useing is that the game must be funny and interesting so people would show more interest to play and thats how the game is created on jokestars.Plus if we mention the fact that some players always win the hands no matter the odds, usually on the river, that makes the impresion that those players allready knows what card will be displayed on river, by my homble opinion they know that.There is no other explanation except that the game on jokestars is fake and corrupted, after all we are talking about large sum of money.And the fact when you complain about bad beats they direct you to this study which is made by them and its 10 years old and when you tell them those fact above mentioned they simply say that you have been explained about how fair their hand are and that they will not discust any more with you on this subject.Picture is more than cristal clear.I have been playing texas holdem longer then the jokestars exist, across the planet from las vegas to atlantic city, barcelona, cancun , all acros europe, south asia and i have never ever in my entire life seen so many bad beats like on jokestars, the feeling is like im in some action movie from hollywood, unbeliveble, the situation i have been thru while playing on jokestars is undescribe, there are no words to use.No question this site is corrupted and with this post i would like to call people from all around the world to contact me on email rvlad...@yahoo.com who are willing to press charges against jokestars for froud.Im a lawyer and i would be glad to sue jokestars for froud specialy becouse they have ruin this beatifull game and turn it into a joke.Sadly they call them selfs the biggest poker room on the planet.Its time to stop this froud once for all

[blaz.so...@gmail.com]

So thats what I am talking about even lower pds of I jave full house on tje flop and morron that has only runner up pair call all in and gues ehat, he gets street flush and that happened toe 3 times that I was righed with the same situations and same combinations... I can tell you about higher full houses on rivers like 1000 times, fulls ober flushes etc... In four years of playing every day and really I study poker and its tactics and how to play but only 3 micro buy in tourneys eon and a ehole bunch of tutneys where I got rigged when I was really good and had big stack!!!! For me I think it is fucking impossible to reach a final table on ps but in libe tourneys I have won a lot of money, so tell me what is erong with ps??????

[customer...@net-cost.com]

Mats and statistics doesnt work, I played 250 hands with only AA, AK, KK and QQ , from any position, passive and aggressive , all of them lost.

[flare...@live.com]

POKER STARS IS SHIT SITE GUYS

[Truthseeker]

flare...@live.com wrote:

> POKER STARS IS SHIT SITE GUYS

Care to enlighten us with how you came to that conclusion?

PokerStars is a class act, and I look forward to being able to play
there again someday.


--
Truthseeker

"On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog."

[kaylet...@gmail.com]

I think it i a crock I have played well over a million hands on many different levels of buy in's. Now bad poker play is for sure going to make the bad beats higher but you looking in the wrong spot to see where the deal IS NOT random. Do not look at the end look at the hands then look at the flop then the turn you will notice in most cases that the people involved in the hand usually have no choice but to go to the end just to lose. You ever have so many outs your alomst guaranteed to win well let me clue you in you wont win! It is set like that to keep you in the game make the rake higher and max out the rake! The end result in the bad beat is not even a question it is what happens to get you to the bad beat that you need to look at. Why also do you think they use a Indian reserve company to regulate ???? well because they are not governed by federal law and can do what ever they want so yea that BS too! ive it to a legit company that is held accountable for lying and you will hear a different story. Ask your self another simple question! What happens if they were to found to rig the deal for action? The answer is simple NOTHING they will not go to jail they will not get fined they receive no punishment what so ever! They make millions MORE by rigging for action and yes bigger games are not forced as much simply because the big spenders would not tolerate it! We can complain all we want our meager deposits and meager money they make off of us means nothing to them and they know a few people will do nothing to damage the company! You just need to ask the simple questions to find the true answers! Of course they rig the deal ismply because they are not held accountable for rigging it by anyone. Now withthat said you can win a lot of money and they will pay you but you have to be in the right place at the right time. And never ever ever ever play when you cash out because you will encounter what they themselves at poker stars have dubbed the "CASH OUT CURSE" Yes they actually sent me an email saying it is not the deal it is the cash out curse is the reason for mu sudden streak of never cashing in any sit n go and tourney to which I cash in more that 40% of my tourneys but suddenly it all stops completely! Bad streak is a bad streak I have been playing poker for more than 13 years believe me I have had my share of bad runs but usually never after I cash out LOL! It will always happen when you cash out and your cash out is pending now do not take my word for it record it yourself! As for the email hand history it means nothing record it using a screen recorder and then go by those hands! They can send you and email and change 90% of the hands and you will not remember all those hands they know this so thats the only numbers I would go by! Good Luck and see you at the tables!

[c_mclau...@hotmail.com]

I think it i a crock I have played well over a million hands on many different levels of buy in's. Now bad poker play is for sure going to make the bad beats higher but you looking in the wrong spot to see where the deal IS NOT random. Do not look at the end look at the hands then look at the flop then the turn you will notice in most cases that the people involved in the hand usually have no choice but to go to the end just to lose. You ever have so many outs your alomst guaranteed to win well let me clue you in you wont win! It is set like that to keep you in the game make the rake higher and max out the rake! The end result in the bad beat is not even a question it is what happens to get you to the bad beat that you need to look at. Why also do you think they use a Indian reserve company to regulate ???? well because they are not governed by federal law and can do what ever they want so yea that BS too! ive it to a legit company that is held accountable for lying and you will hear a different story. Ask your self another simple question! What happens if they were to found to rig the deal for action? The answer is simple NOTHING they will not go to jail they will not get fined they receive no punishment what so ever! They make millions MORE by rigging for action and yes bigger games are not forced as much simply because the big spenders would not tolerate it! We can complain all we want our meager deposits and meager money they make off of us means nothing to them and they know a few people will do nothing to damage the company! You just need to ask the simple questions to find the true answers! Of course they rig the deal ismply because they are not held accountable for rigging it by anyone. Now withthat said you can win a lot of money and they will pay you but you have to be in the right place at the right time. And never ever ever ever play when you cash out because you will encounter what they themselves at poker stars have dubbed the "CASH OUT CURSE" Yes they actually sent me an email saying it is not the deal it is the cash out curse is the reason for mu sudden streak of never cashing in any sit n go and tourney to which I cash in more that 40% of my tourneys but suddenly it all stops completely! Bad streak is a bad streak I have been playing poker for more than 13 years believe me I have had my share of bad runs but usually never after I cash out LOL! It will always happen when you cash out and your cash out is pending now do not take my word for it record it yourself! As for the email hand history it means nothing record it using a screen recorder and then go by those hands! They can send you and email and change 90% of the hands and you will not remember all those hands they know this so that's the only numbers I would go by! Good Luck and see you at the tables!

[feather...@live.co.uk]

Can someone one please tell me where I can analyse my hand history? I have thousands and thousands of hands written down, which I would like to convert into statistics. I havn't got a pokertracker programme on my computer yet, should I download one of them?

[fan...@ya.ru]

пятница, 3 января 2014 г., 12:05:17 UTC+6 пользователь feather...@live.co.uk написал:

> Can someone one please tell me where I can analyse my hand history? I have thousands and thousands of hands written down, which I would like to convert into statistics. I havn't got a pokertracker programme on my computer yet, should I download one of them?

не играйте на покерстарс, только на старзах есть стрики длительностью более 1000 турниров. так что данные все лживы, у них есть списки: попав в этот список ты будешь проигрывать, это уже в клиенте (верней на сервере) вбито, так что опасно вообще играть на этом сайте! они так типа баланс делаю между фишами и регами, что бы реги быстро не выигрывали деньги фишей, и молотили старзам больше рейка

[geor...@gmail.com]

This is the most ridiculous survey I have seen.
Pokerstars is manipulative and they have absolute control of the game.
There is no RNG and that can be proved. I can send you my plays there to analyze.
From last 4 years play here are some conclusions:
- if you don´t rebuy or add-on you have about 2% chance to reach the money.
- if you rebuy more then minimum prize you will reach that regardless of your play
- you have to buy chips regulary to have any chance to win something.
- over 90% of hands are decided by river on showdown. If you are big stack in 90% of cases you´ll win, regardless the cards in play. Example, QQ against AK and 79 as big stack - 79 will win
And examples can go on endessly ...
One conclusion stand - Pokerstars is rigged!

[pa...@mypokerpal.co.uk]

Hi,
For obvious reasons i must remain annon for the time being. But myself and a small team of researchers have analysed over 36,000 hands on poker stars in small/mid stakes SNG'S and satellites. we have posted some of our findings on my poker pal and independent UK based social network not affiliated to any online poker rooms.
We are compiling a detailed report to present to the DOJ and would welcome all feedback and any data you may have would be useful to support the claims and allegations.
Conspiracy or fact ? The matter needs investigating as too many players are growing suspicious of the activities on the site and with so much controversy surrounding the site its fair to say the more information we get the better chance we have or getting the issues looked into by the governing bodies.
There are petitions etc all over the web but the more people we get to share their experiences the more detailed and qualified data we get to make a proper analysis and present the case studies to the relevant authorities.
thanks for reading and don't get frustrated get involved and lets finally get to the bottom of this ongoing issue with the site.
Tweet us, and share our blogs on all social networks so we can get a unbiased opinion on the goings on at poker stars.
Thanks
@pstars_rigged

[mourat.mo...@hotmail.com]

Hi, my name is Mourat and i an a fairly succesfull poker player when it comes to live cash game and mtt tournaments. However, onliner poker is a different story... I ve been playing in pokerstars for some time now and i have the feeling that there is something wrong.for example: in a coinflip situation, i am supposed to win/lose abt 50% of the hands but i am confident that in the last few thousans hands i am loosing almost 80% of the flips. thesituation is even wosre when i m ahead preflop by aprox. 2 to 1 favorite!! on these hands, it seems that i m losing the pot almost 70-80% of the times!! i am not crazy and i know all about the theory that we remember the hands we loose and the ones we win but still.... can you please check my hands of the last 3-4-5 months and tell me?

best regards
Mourat

[fernand...@gmail.com]

steve, before all to thank for all this information to the informed, I want to say one thing and do not ever change my opinion, I play about 3 years at PokerStars, approximately 12 hours a day, and I'm not stupid or inept to I say empty words without value, I see that in the moment that has kundeshtari more chips from me, and precisely predict we lose 90% of cases, do not need any type of explanation, because I've played over 10 million online poker hands in , is simply that once the single liked someone to say the truth, that is, o is not real poker dung, but is fabled to lose most of the time against a stack with madh.kaq i wish you health and all the best, fragkiska,

[fernand...@gmail.com]

> st...@surname.reno.nv.us (Steve Brecher)

this is a fckin bullshit jokerstars,terrible rigged site ,thats all

[savinopa...@gmail.com]

Poker star e una truffa a livello mondiale nn giocate in questo sito state regalando solo soldi!!!fanno schifo in tutti i sensi...mi sono auto eliminato x sempre dopo aver costatato che ho perso anche con mani forti,hanno tutto sotto controllo,vincono sempre gli stessi,basta truffe on line eliminatevi come ho fatto io se no continueranno a spolparvi fino all'osso..buona giornata

[gpapad...@gmail.com]

Agree

[lucky...@gmail.com]

понедельник, 19 мая 2003 г., 4:05:15 UTC+6 пользователь Steve Brecher написал:

Старзы крученное дерьмо это очевидно ! Ривер на 100% кручен в пользу фиша который тащит свое дро и канечно же фактор рейка имеет значение чем больше рейка платишь тем выше вероятность успеха в сравнениях. РУм давно уже представляет из себя не покер а игровые автоматы которые заберают себе большую часть твоего реального профита ! Снимите с меня ваш фильр я буду играть куда больше и рейка делать куда больше !

[unishop...@gmail.com]

zdravíme z PokerStars.

Na Vaši žádost jsme zavřeli Váš účet.

Vezměte prosím na vědomí, že údaje zůstanou přesto uložené v naší databázi, a že není dovoleno vytvářet další hráčské účty stejnou osobou. Pokud se v budoucnu rozhodnete vrátit na PokerStars, můžete nás kdykoli kontaktovat pro znovuotevření tohoto účtu. Podotýkáme, že když účet jednoduše přestanete používat, je to to samé jako ho zrušit. Systém ho po šesti měsících automaticky zařadí mezi neaktivní účty.

Co se týká přesazování hráčů, tak k tomu dochází ve dvou případech. Buďto je přemístěn jednotlivec pro vyrovnání nevyváženosti mezi stoly, nebo je celý stůl zrušen (takzvaně rozbit) a hráči rozmístěni na volná místa okolo. Ke zrušení stolu dochází ve chvíli, kdy je okolo dostatek volných míst pro rozsazení zbývajících hráčů. Přesazování se řídí stejnými pravidly, jako v živých kasinech, tedy naprostou náhodností. Je to jako hodit na stůl všechny zasedací kartičky, zamíchat a náhodně vybrat.

Může se stát, že hráč co právě zaplatil blindy se opět dostane na big blind, ale zároveň může utéct z pozice "under the gun" a vyhnout se jednomu kolu blindů. Všichni mají stejnou šanci a záleží čistě na náhodě. Přesazování jednotlivců, například je-li u jednoho stolu jen sedm hráčů a u ostatních devět, se snažíme co nejvíc omezovat a vybírat ty hráče, kteří dlouho nebyli přesazeni, nebo jsou nehrající (sitting out). Zároveň se snažíme vybrat místo, které je podobné pozici u předchozího stolu.

Při přesazování se řídíme dvěma základními pravidly:

a) snahou zachovat pozici vůči blindům
b) snahou zachovat stejný počet přesunů u každého hráče

Rádi bychom Vám též připomněli turnajové pravidlo č.16, které zní:

Pokud jsou hráči vyřazeni z turnaje, software pozastaví hru, aby se zaplnila všechna volná místa. Opětovné rozsazení hráčů u nekompletních stolů se děje náhodně, a ačkoliv se to stává zřídka, může mít tato činnost za následek vložení několika big blindů po sobě.

Příležitostně může software vyrovnat stoly, aby se zajistil rovnoměrný (nebo co nejblíže to jde) počet aktivních hráčů. Hráči, kteří si přesedli, aby vyrovnali stoly, budou, pokud možno usazeni na stejné pozice vzhledem k blindům. Pokud bude vyřazeno větší množství hráčů, budou zbývající hráči usazeni společně k 'finálovému stolu'.

Plné znění našich turnajových pravidel najdete zde:

http://www.pokerstars.cz/poker/tournaments/rules/

Ohledně Vašich komentářů o použití zakázaných programů, prosím berte na vědomí, že PokerStars kontroluje jejich použití a pro zajištění používá celou řadu bezpečnostních prvků.

Dále s ohledem na Váš účet, rádi bychom Vás ujistili, že Váš uživatelský účet u PokerStars není v žádném případě "prokletý" ani žádným způsobem označený. Ve chvíli, kdy jsou karty systémem rozdány, už jejich pořadí nemůže být nijak změněno. Software, který karty automaticky míchá a rozdává, nemá kontrolu nad tím, kdo danou handu vyhraje a kdo prohraje. Systém není schopen rozeznat od sebe jednotlivé hráče, zjistit údaje o jejich uživatelském účtu, zemi, ve které se nacházejí či místu, na kterém u stolu sedí. Karty jsou rozdány zcela náhodně a následný průběh hry už ovlivňují pouze samotní hráči.

Faktem je, že míchání karet je naprosto náhodné a nikoho nezvýhodňuje. Náš generátor náhodných čísel zajišťuje zcela nahodilé zamíchání balíčku tak, aby nebylo možné předpovědět přicházející karty. Viz.:

http://www.pokerstars.cz/poker/room/features/security/

Náš zdrojový kód jsme dokonce poskytli nezávislé auditorské firmě Cigital, největší světové společnosti specializující se na bezpečnost a kvalitu softwaru. Ta provedla vlastní rozbor a shledala náš míchací algoritmus v pořádku, potvrzujíc jeho absolutní náhodnost a férovost. Viz.:

http://www.pokerstars.cz/poker/rng/

Doporučujeme Vám provést si analýzu vlastních hand a provedení vlastních analýz s použitím široce dostupných dostupných pokerových programů. Za naší existenci jsme rozdali přes 100 miliard hand a kdykoli nás některý z hráčů požádal o historii svých her o reálné peníze, bez váhání jsme mu jí poskytli. Ačkoliv se o to mnozí pokoušeli, nikdy nikdo nedokázal zpochybnit stoprocentní náhodnost našeho softwaru.

Četné výsledky takovýchto pokusů najdete na internetu. *Všechny* výsledky však potvrzují jedno a to samé: Míchání karet je naprosto náhodné. Příklady těchto výsledků najdete zde (v angličtině):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.gambling.poker/OtsfsNSLx3E/f0rcZ_4tCJAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.gambling.poker/JJin8F9J4Mg/a0yfh6QQcBcJ

Pokud si přejete hrát poker jinde než u PokerStars, máte na to plné právo. Samozřejmě nás ale bude mrzet, že nás opouštíte. Při výběru jiné online herny nezapomeňte, že PokerStars nabízí na Internetu nejširší škálu her s nejvyššími cenami. Nabízíme také hry s nejkompetitivnější strukturou rake a rozsáhlý VIP program s nejvyššími odměnami pro naše věrné hráče. Navíc jsme přesvědčeni, že na Internetu nenajdete žádnou jinou hernu, která by vyvinula tolik úsilí, aby bylo pro její hráče zajištěno zcela bezpečné prostředí pro hru, společně s tím nejlepším zákaznickým servisem.

Samozřejmě bychom Vás rádi viděli mezi našimi hráči, ale ať už se rozhodnete jakkoli, přejeme Vám hodně štěstí ve hře!

S pozdravem

P.S uvedomte si že rusky hrači ovladli pokerstars a jsou schopny vyhrat na nizkych kartach nebo na všem ,co dostanou.Proč se tak deje?To je zakladni
otazka.Podle meho nazoru využivaji svuj P.C a procesor ve hre na vic 96% s
pripojenim na velke množstvy sedu a peru a mimo jine dalši programy a proto v all inu dokažou RNG dostat na svou stranu.

[dslewis....@gmail.com]

I say again..it is statisticly impossible to lose 76 % of the time with the best hand all in and heads up. You have a better chance of winning the lottery. This has occured for 176 hands I have documented since I lost chat priviledges. Either it is intentional as a punishment or your logorythms are skewed. You cannot dupicate that resulot by reason of chance.

[remento...@gmail.com]

Ak giocate preflop ultime 100
mani

[tdus...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 8:39:19 AM UTC+1, aahh...@ya.ru wrote:
> its jokerstars
> http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/545167_6AC232B801

just the usual Pstars story
and they say it is OK

[vladimirr...@gmail.com]

понедельник, 19 мая 2003 г., 3:05:15 UTC+5 пользователь Steve Brecher написал:

Pokerstars - реальный воровской еврейский сайт. Кидалово, разводилово и об"ебалово в 99,99 % раздач

[risky biz]

Wow. A thread that is still going 12 years later. And 'truthtwister' isn't even in it.

[johnpr...@gmail.com]

There needs to be a search on individuals accounts who experience unbelievable beats on higher buy in tournaments, then compare them to the lower buy ins. This is the issue with me, because in my mind, there is no two ways to the fact that Pokerstars is rigged. I get down to the bubble, or small money quite frequently (potentially a fifth of the time) however it is just impossible for me to reach the final table, due to hands that just seem to be predetermined.

[sun...@gmail.com]

What you experienced why I never experienced!? How much pokerstar paid you?You don't know how weird this pokerstar program is?! Bad beats and river too ofen!All they designed this game is for cheating money from people worldwide!

[Maverick]

On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 2:28:30 PM UTC-7, sun...@gmail.com wrote:
> What you experienced why I never experienced!? How much pokerstar paid you?You don't know how weird this pokerstar program is?! Bad beats and river too ofen!All they designed this game is for cheating money from people worldwide!

Everyone knows time and time again that online poker results in Superusers, cheating, collusion, and rigged games...not to mention worse games overall.

[robertol...@gmail.com]

mi sono letteralmente rotto il cazzo giocare su pokerstars e' sinonimo di perdita di soldi sono anni che gioco e pur sapendo di non essere bravo mi domando come e' possibile che almeno 1 volta sculando non sono riuscito mai e ripeto mai arrivare tra i primi 3 posti in un torneo sono stanco siete dei ladri

[sunch...@abv.bg]

PokerStars Hand #138300588903: Tournament #1279682258, 3FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2015/07/20 21:56:17 EET [2015/07/20 14:56:17 ET]
Table '1279682258 1' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ISEXCLUSIVE (1045 in chips)
Seat 2: Travolta913 (455 in chips)
Seat 3: Bulgary_AA (405 in chips)
Seat 4: Ruebezahl25 (430 in chips)
Seat 6: KNITE-1 (665 in chips)
ISEXCLUSIVE: posts the ante 10
Travolta913: posts the ante 10
Bulgary_AA: posts the ante 10
Ruebezahl25: posts the ante 10
KNITE-1: posts the ante 10
Ruebezahl25: posts small blind 25
KNITE-1: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bulgary_AA [Kc Ks]
ISEXCLUSIVE: raises 985 to 1035 and is all-in
Travolta913: folds
Bulgary_AA: calls 395 and is all-in
Ruebezahl25: calls 395 and is all-in
KNITE-1: folds
Uncalled bet (615) returned to ISEXCLUSIVE
*** FLOP *** [7c Ts 2s]
*** TURN *** [7c Ts 2s] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [7c Ts 2s Qc] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ruebezahl25: shows [9s 9d] (a pair of Nines)
ISEXCLUSIVE: shows [Ac Js] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
ISEXCLUSIVE collected 50 from side pot
Bulgary_AA: shows [Kc Ks] (three of a kind, Kings)
ISEXCLUSIVE collected 1285 from main pot
Ruebezahl25 finished the tournament in 4th place
Bulgary_AA finished the tournament in 5th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1335 Main pot 1285. Side pot 50. | Rake 0
Board [7c Ts 2s Qc Kh]
Seat 1: ISEXCLUSIVE showed [Ac Js] and won (1335) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 2: Travolta913 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Bulgary_AA (button) showed [Kc Ks] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 4: Ruebezahl25 (small blind) showed [9s 9d] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 6: KNITE-1 (big blind) folded before Flop

[poker...@live.ca]

This is highly derivative and inherently flawed. When will I see a comprehensive analysis. How stupid do you think poker stars is? They have a record of all hands played on their site, and their rigged number generator ensures that the "math" adds up in these scenarios under no uncertain terms. You have to outsmart the fox and these pathetic analytic attempts will never show what a winning player like me is asking for. What I want to know is the "value" of my bad beats. In essence, when I receive a bad beat it's usually near the bubble, or near a final table bubble, basically whenever the pot is as massive as it gets (either cash game or tourney). Oh how many times I get close to the big payouts and my 97 percent fave (post flop) loses to runners. But it's not just this that needs to be scrutinized. I'd like to see how many flush draws I flop when holding two suited hole cards, and how often they flush out, how many times I flop sets (and how many times they lose). I could go on but the analysis I crave essentially would calculate all mathematics involved, but not just that. Also it would include a player's "profile". This is what poker stars uses to determine what kind of player you are. Such as high, medium, or low stakes. In addition, this profile includes whether you are a casual/weekend player, or play hours each day. This daily player is their bread and butter, regardless of the stakes. Stars keeps tabs on all players bankrolls (not just to avoid what full tilt did) but also to ensure daily players continue to play (primarily at whatever stake level you are at). Their ultimate goal, to keep money in play and to avoid withdrawals. A tough task, but after losing fifty percent of their revenue since black friday and being forced to ban americans (not to mention essentially being forced to buy full tilt to save their asses-a form of evidence that can lead one to infer that stars have no scruples regarding "grey" areas of any laws, and let's not forget they are unregulated) Bottom line, they're rigged number generator is so sophisticated it ensures that the easily analysed stats all line up like ducks in a row, but you need to go much deeper to find the discrepancies I'm positive are there. This analysis must be done on no less than five players using their hand histories only, with at least a hundred thousand hands on each (more would be better). But each player should also fit a different "profile" such as stakes, how often they play, different parts of the world, and bankroll monitoring and amounts. There's more that should be included in a truly thorough analysis that will almost certainly show manipulation. Remember, I'm a winning player that never needs to deposit, but I play a lot and haven't cashed anything worthy of my skill since black friday. I suspected the donks had simply gone and that was my issue, but I analyzed my hands and found no holes in my strategy or play. But I have no idea to do proper analysis like I've stated, but I would gladly work with anyone that could. This is beyond bad beats, it's just bad poker.

[Clave]

<poker...@live.ca> wrote in message
news:9566b80a-74dc-4935...@googlegroups.com...
>
>...word salad...

> This is beyond bad beats, it's just bad poker.

Worse, it's bad writing.

[poker....@gmail.com]

понедельник, 19 мая 2003 г., 0:37:46 UTC+3 пользователь Steve Brecher написал:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcwgSKS9GOU&feature=youtu.be

[mgsos...@gmail.com]

I'm exclusively an 18 man turbo SNG player who knows how huge the ICM is in this games and I'm getting screwed on the money bubble with around 75% average equity over 90% of the time, i have lost with AA in these spots 9/10 times 5 times vs Ax even.

Just look at this hand to see how badly i get setup on the bubble:

Table '1222130367 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: mattias132 (4910 in chips)
Seat 2: nicouru32 (6081 in chips)
Seat 5: pittry20 (11577 in chips)
Seat 7: bajaifiu (670 in chips)
Seat 8: dan_doran02 (3762 in chips)
mattias132: posts the ante 25
nicouru32: posts the ante 25
pittry20: posts the ante 25
bajaifiu: posts the ante 25
dan_doran02: posts the ante 25
mattias132: posts small blind 150
nicouru32: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to mattias132 [9h Ah]
pittry20: folds
bajaifiu: raises 345 to 645 and is all-in
dan_doran02: folds
mattias132: calls 495
nicouru32: calls 345
*** FLOP *** [7s 5h 8h]
mattias132: checks
nicouru32: bets 927
mattias132: raises 3313 to 4240 and is all-in
nicouru32: calls 3313
*** TURN *** [7s 5h 8h] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [7s 5h 8h 4c] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mattias132: shows [9h Ah] (a pair of Nines)
nicouru32: shows [As Ad] (a pair of Aces)
nicouru32 collected 8480 from side pot
bajaifiu: shows [Qh 6d] (a straight, Five to Nine)
bajaifiu collected 2060 from main pot
mattias132 finished the tournament in 5th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10540 Main pot 2060. Side pot 8480. | Rake 0
Board [7s 5h 8h 4c 9d]
Seat 1: mattias132 (small blind) showed [9h Ah] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: nicouru32 (big blind) showed [As Ad] and won (8480) with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: pittry20 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: bajaifiu showed [Qh 6d] and won (2060) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 8: dan_doran02 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Here are some more examples of me losing on the bubble and again I know how huge the ICM is in these games:

PokerStars Hand #139897853358: Tournament #1307199676, $3.16+$0.34 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2015/08/25 16:47:28 ET
Table '1307199676 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 7thsignx (1143 in chips)
Seat 5: SereJkee94 (10878 in chips)
Seat 7: mattias132 (4436 in chips)
Seat 8: Pirat3354 (3932 in chips)
Seat 9: jjokocha666 (6611 in chips)
7thsignx: posts the ante 25
SereJkee94: posts the ante 25
mattias132: posts the ante 25
Pirat3354: posts the ante 25
jjokocha666: posts the ante 25
SereJkee94: posts small blind 200
mattias132: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mattias132 [As Ah]
Pirat3354: folds
jjokocha666: folds
7thsignx: folds
SereJkee94: raises 10453 to 10853 and is all-in
mattias132: calls 4011 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (6442) returned to SereJkee94
*** FLOP *** [Td 3c Th]
*** TURN *** [Td 3c Th] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [Td 3c Th 5s] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SereJkee94: shows [Ts 2s] (three of a kind, Tens)
mattias132: shows [As Ah] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
SereJkee94 collected 8947 from pot
mattias132 finished the tournament in 5th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8947 | Rake 0
Board [Td 3c Th 5s 6s]
Seat 1: 7thsignx (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SereJkee94 (small blind) showed [Ts 2s] and won (8947) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 7: mattias132 (big blind) showed [As Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 8: Pirat3354 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: jjokocha666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Hand #142509996860: Tournament #1352826761, $6.45+$0.55 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2015/10/20 13:49:48 ET
Table '1352826761 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Prosims (3302 in chips)
Seat 3: maidan2014 (2835 in chips)
Seat 5: jangrppat (3833 in chips)
Seat 6: Celebes87 (10006 in chips)
Seat 7: mattias132 (7024 in chips)
Prosims: posts the ante 50
maidan2014: posts the ante 50
jangrppat: posts the ante 50
Celebes87: posts the ante 50
mattias132: posts the ante 50
Celebes87: posts small blind 300
mattias132: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mattias132 [Qs Qh]
Prosims: folds
maidan2014: folds
jangrppat: folds
Celebes87: raises 9356 to 9956 and is all-in
mattias132: calls 6374 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2982) returned to Celebes87
*** FLOP *** [4h 2s 7d]
*** TURN *** [4h 2s 7d] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [4h 2s 7d 7h] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Celebes87: shows [7c Td] (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)
mattias132: shows [Qs Qh] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
Celebes87 collected 14198 from pot
mattias132 finished the tournament in 5th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 14198 | Rake 0
Board [4h 2s 7d 7h Ts]
Seat 1: Prosims folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: maidan2014 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jangrppat (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Celebes87 (small blind) showed [7c Td] and won (14198) with a full house, Sevens full of Tens
Seat 7: mattias132 (big blind) showed [Qs Qh] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sevens

PokerStars Hand #142613494098: Tournament #1355165730, $6.45+$0.55 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2015/10/22 12:43:14 ET
Table '1355165730 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: AdamPoker91 (2270 in chips)
Seat 4: ZOUZOUNI1998 (7544 in chips)
Seat 5: NegsNegsNegz (12749 in chips)
Seat 6: mattias132 (1788 in chips)
Seat 9: SfastDiat (2649 in chips)
AdamPoker91: posts the ante 25
ZOUZOUNI1998: posts the ante 25
NegsNegsNegz: posts the ante 25
mattias132: posts the ante 25
SfastDiat: posts the ante 25
mattias132: posts small blind 200
SfastDiat: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mattias132 [Kh Kc]
AdamPoker91: folds
ZOUZOUNI1998: folds
NegsNegsNegz: raises 12324 to 12724 and is all-in
mattias132: calls 1563 and is all-in
SfastDiat: folds
Uncalled bet (10961) returned to NegsNegsNegz
*** FLOP *** [Ts Qc 7h]
*** TURN *** [Ts Qc 7h] [As]
*** RIVER *** [Ts Qc 7h As] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mattias132: shows [Kh Kc] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
NegsNegsNegz: shows [Td 3c] (three of a kind, Tens)
NegsNegsNegz collected 4051 from pot
mattias132 finished the tournament in 5th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4051 | Rake 0
Board [Ts Qc 7h As Th]
Seat 2: AdamPoker91 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ZOUZOUNI1998 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: NegsNegsNegz (button) showed [Td 3c] and won (4051) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 6: mattias132 (small blind) showed [Kh Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 9: SfastDiat (big blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Hand #144977169021: Tournament #1402933253, $6.45+$0.55 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2015/12/07 13:18:41 ET
Table '1402933253 2' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 4: mattias132 (1112 in chips)
Seat 5: lasomaso (1831 in chips)
Seat 6: oOwL (2165 in chips)
Seat 7: Auldtrafford (1658 in chips)
Seat 9: Gorgosali16 (20234 in chips)
mattias132: posts the ante 50
lasomaso: posts the ante 50
oOwL: posts the ante 50
Auldtrafford: posts the ante 50
Gorgosali16: posts the ante 50
mattias132: posts small blind 400
lasomaso: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mattias132 [As Ah]
oOwL: folds
Auldtrafford: folds
Gorgosali16: raises 19384 to 20184 and is all-in
mattias132: calls 662 and is all-in
lasomaso: folds
Uncalled bet (19122) returned to Gorgosali16
*** FLOP *** [5h Qs Td]
*** TURN *** [5h Qs Td] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [5h Qs Td Jh] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mattias132: shows [As Ah] (a pair of Aces)
Gorgosali16: shows [7d Qd] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
Gorgosali16 collected 3174 from pot
mattias132 finished the tournament in 5th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3174 | Rake 0
Board [5h Qs Td Jh 7c]
Seat 4: mattias132 (small blind) showed [As Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: lasomaso (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: oOwL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Auldtrafford folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Gorgosali16 (button) showed [7d Qd] and won (3174) with two pair, Queens and Sevens

Here are some boomplayer examples:

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11962724_4EE1D8073E
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/12028580_59D08CE33C
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/12028614_4707276B43
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/12632770_D6115A0CAB
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/12965706_2734F28241
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/13071431_CFE4DCC743 - this is 3 handed in the money in 18 man SNG.

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/13206696_CC6B8D2D73 - seems like obvious catering to the fun players.

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/13304090_6B0242C70A - usual setup when you are completely blocking the hand he has 3 handed in the money in 18 mans.

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/13409698_6C37F2294C - standard bad beat on the 18 man bubble.

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/13535197_51A1D726F8 - retarded 3bet get's rewarded due to pokerstars catering to the fun player.

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/14060190_3E53FD79AF - just a typical no equity suckout.

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/14385823_E11137F41C - just getting screwed by a random hand on the 18 man money bubble.

If these games are indeed random how can i be losing with these frequencies over a pretty hefty hand sample? We definitely need a proper analysis.

[moro...@gmail.com]

Sei un coglione

[molevi...@googlemail.com]

I recently sent over 100 screenshots incorporating the high hand percentages dealt at tables, the aggressive flop scenarios faced and the limitless bad beats faced by me and other players at my tables. 40+ of these images were from one day.
Instead of answering my queries (because I have previously scrutinized them) they directed me here... One thread amongst 60 odd posts, dated over 12 years ago and I'm supposed to be reassured?
I have explained that no hand history will give you an accurate portrayal of a hand as many will be situation dependant based on a variety of scenarios from a bad player at the table, a weak raise, stealing from the button etc.
Pokerstars have destroyed the game. No question. It might look like poker but It's become a bingo site.
Personally I have emailed the gaming commission of the isle of man at gaming@iom as well as the UK gaming commission as I've had enough. The chances of obtaining a significant win on stars and being in profit are about as likely as winning the Nigerian lottery! (Although I did get an email the other day saying I'd won it!!!)

[oroscristi...@gmail.com]

marți, 15 ianuarie 2013, 18:28:19 UTC+2, wixo...@gmail.com a scris:
> MA SE E' TUTTO CASUALE...............PERCHE':
> -IL CHIP LEADER ALLO SHOW DOWN VINCE QUASI SEMPRE ANCHE CON CARTE RIDICOLE?
> -PERCHE' CON DUE KK SERVITI AL FLOP ESCE QUASI SEMPRE L'ASSO?
> -PERCHE' DUE ASSI SERVITI DIFFICILMENTE VINCONO?
> -PERCHE' I BUONI CLIENTI DI POKERSTARS (QUELLI CON TANTE STELLINE) HANNO TANTISSIME MANI CON MOSTER CARD?
> -PERCHE' QUANDO UN GIOCATORE E' CORTO GLI ARRIVANO SEMPRE BELLE CARTE PER FARE ALLIN E PUNTUALMENTE PERDE?
> -PERCHE' NEI TORNEI CON GRANDI PREMI, AI PRIMI POSTI ARRIVANO GIOCATORI MAI
> -SENTITI NE' MAI VISTI GIOCARE?
> -PERCHE' ESCONO TANTISSIMI ASSI?
> -PERCHE' AL RIVER ESCE SPESSISSIMO L'ASSO?
> -PERCHE' SE VINCI UNA SERA POI PER SETTIMANE NON RIESCI A VINCERE NEANCHE CON SCALA REALE?
> -PERCHE' SE TI AZZARDI A FARE UN PRELIEVO POI PER MESI NON RIESCI PIU' A VINCERE NEANCHE UN TORNEO PER BAMBINI?
> -PERCHE' KA QA JA INCONTRA QUASI SEMPRE UNA COPPIA?
> -PERCHE' QA INCONTRA QUASI SEMPRE KA?
>
> IN CONCLUSIONE, CAPISCO CHE UN TORNEIO NON DEVE DURARE GIORNI.......MA NON CI FACESSERO CREDERE CHE SIA TUTTO CASUALE!!!!!!!!
> PURTROPPO DANNO TROPPE CONDIZIONI AL SOFTWARE PER VELOCIZZARE I TORNEI E FAVORIRE CHI SANNO LORO...........

6 GRANDE. SEMPRE PERDO COZI.

SUNT TALHARI. la ruleta am castigat 1.500$ intr-o noapte cu 150lei, a doua zi am pierdut 10mii de lei. stau la panda jecmanitori si pun sa mearga bila pe numarul cel mai putit pariat.
la poker am pierdut... nu are rost nici sa va explic. am pierdut dintr-o mana 1000 de dolari in all cu kinta de culoare la dama si altul a aruncat fara sa vada ultima care va iesi, si a facut kinta royala cu A in mana iesind K de culoare, ce cojmaruri. sunt absolut talhari si hoti. asta a fost doar o data ce am patit, dar cate si mai cate...orice ai face cu orice carti pierzi absolut mereu.

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On 1/18/2016 2:36 PM, oroscristi...@gmail.com wrote:

> marți, 15 ianuarie 2013, 18:28:19 UTC+2, wixo...@gmail.com a scris:

The first post in the new year. Where are pokerskillz and clave?

[serj2...@gmail.com]

что за бред .. сейчас вы в восторге от игр что проходят

[aslanid...@gmail.com]

I prove pokerstars is a fraud!
1250 bad beats in one month!


https://www.boomplayer.com/u/PacoCuervoD

[zub...@gmail.com]

Good afternoon,

I have been repairing for days and days that the sequence of hands is more and more repeated.

Example:

17:08 Q5
17:07 T5
17:05 T5
17:05 K5

This has been happening too much with other hands, I wonder if this is correct?