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Greg Smith  
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 More options Jan 4 1994, 2:09 pm
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From: Greg Smith <greg.n.sm...@daytonoh.ncr.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 18:19:27 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 4 1994 1:19 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
A sign on I-71 near Cleveland, OH directs motorists to the "OIHO Turnpike."

Greg Smith
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Greg.N.Sm...@DaytonOH.NCR.COM

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Douglas Tsang  
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From: cs141...@cs.brown.edu (Douglas Tsang)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 19:54:52 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 4 1994 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs

Once I was in Maine on I-95.  I saw a sign in a distance with rather small
letters.  I kept staring at it trying to figure out what's on it.
When I passed by it, it read:

"Concentrate On Your Driving"

--
doug.

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james=utz%mech%pcpd=hou  
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From: James=Utz%Mech%PCPD=...@bangate.compaq.com
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 20:03:22 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 4 1994 3:03 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs

In Texas, we have signs that tell drivers where
they can exit to find gas, food, hotels, etc.  One said:

GAS   FOOD   LODGING

Galagher (the comedian) said:

"I thought that's what gas was?"

Later,
James


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Bob Goudreau  
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 More options Jan 4 1994, 4:07 pm
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From: goudr...@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 94 19:22:52 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 4 1994 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs

>In article <CJ454G....@northshore.ecosoft.com> kes...@northshore.ecosoft.com (Jeff A. Kester) writes:

>>How `bout:
>>                HIGHWAY ENDS
>>                  500 FEET

Is this really all that unusual?...

In article <1994Jan4.183051.22...@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> mcra...@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Mark Crafts) writes:

>A friend and I were doing some exploring one night near Edisto Island, SC.
>There's lots of dirt roads around, so we got used to seeing signs that
>said "Road Ends 500 Feet" at which point the pavement would end and it
>would continue on as a dirt road.

>Well, we were driving along, saw the familiar sign and kept going.
>...
>Whereupon it dropped down about 15 feet into a saltwater river!

This proves the danger of imprecise signs!  I hope the SC DOT takes
note.

Here in NC, when a paved road becomes a dirt or gravel road, the
sign says "PAVEMENT ENDS".  This is quite a different thing than
"ROAD ENDS" or "HIGHWAY ENDS", so it's important to use distinct
signs for each of the two situations.

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Sudhendar H  
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 More options Jan 4 1994, 5:09 pm
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From: h...@goya.its.rpi.edu (Sudhendar H)
Date: 4 Jan 1994 21:41:16 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 4 1994 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
        Route 2 from upstate NY to Boston which features a number of 'deer'
        signs also features a "THICKLY SETTLED" signpost in Mass (near
        Erving I think). I use this road almost once a month and am yet to
        see anybody other than fellow motorists.

        Beautiful road though, esp. in Fall.

        Regards,
        -sudhendar


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Sterling McLane  
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From: smcl...@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Sterling McLane)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 20:38:51 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 4 1994 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
In Hayward CA on I-880 there is an exit marked

      A STREET DOWNTOWN

Seems they would have been able to give it a name by now :-)

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Steven W. Engle  
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From: sen...@blkbox.COM (Steven W. Engle)
Date: 5 Jan 1994 04:37:54 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 4 1994 11:37 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs

jone...@crd.ge.com (Mike Jones) writes:
>In article 11...@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM, spet...@photon.swdc.stratus.com (Scott Spetter) writes:
>>My personal favorite:  I-5 in San Diego:  "CRUISE SHIPS USE AIRPORT EXIT"

>>I wonder what CalTrans had in mind when that one went up.

My favorite is a sign I spotted somewhere between Houston and Austin (TX)
along some country road. It was suspended across the road, with six or so
short lengths of pipe suspended verfically along each side of the sign.
It's about 100 yards before a bridge.

         IF YOU HIT THIS SIGN
        YOU WILL HIT THE BRIDGE

What was so funny was the sign was an absolute wreck; bent, dented, and
scarred. Obviously hit many times. I don't know, maybe you had to be
there, but I ended up laughing so hard I about ended up in some farmer's
field.

Steve Engle
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Randy Casciola  
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 More options Jan 5 1994, 9:04 am
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From: r...@ius4.ius.cs.cmu.edu (Randy Casciola)
Date: 5 Jan 94 13:42:38 GMT
Local: Wed, Jan 5 1994 8:42 am
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
Well, I guess this sign isn't unusual, but I still don't quite get it.
It seems that on many rural W. Pennsylvania roads (and maybe in most
areas for that matter) under the speed limit sign they will put another
sign that says BEGIN or END.  I understand the BEGIN part means that this
is a new speed limit, but the END part I don't understand.  OK, so this
is the end of the area with speed limit XX, but what is the new limit?
Is it faster or slower?

Randy


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Lorne Vaught  
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 More options Jan 5 1994, 10:47 am
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From: l...@staff.cc.purdue.edu (Lorne Vaught)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 15:23:29 GMT
Local: Wed, Jan 5 1994 10:23 am
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
In article <rahCJ2zvK....@netcom.com> r...@netcom.com (Richard Hyde) writes:

>How about  "SLOW CHILDREN AT PLAY"  ?

>Any kids I saw always looked like they were normal to me.

>-r

How about this sign:   "slow DEAF children at play"

That's sad.  Doesn't this child have enough problems just being deaf?  Now
he is slow too.  Maybe this is one sign you should disobey?? ;)

--Lorne


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Tom Reingold  
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 More options Jan 5 1994, 12:14 pm
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From: to...@big.att.com (Tom Reingold)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 16:52:02 GMT
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Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
The road forks on Cape Cod, and the sign says, "Provincetown, either
way".  Lots of accidents happen there because people can't decide.
Maybe they don't believe that it really doesn't matter which way they
go.
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Dana Kamerud  
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 More options Jan 5 1994, 3:26 pm
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From: dkame...@cmsa.gmr.com (Dana Kamerud)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 1994 14:47 EST
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
On I-696 in the Detroit suburbs there is a big sign declaring CENTERLINE, to
which the out-of-town motorist might legitimately respond "so what?".  Locals
know that Centerline, Michigan is the suburb reached from the next exit.

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Guy Richard Spivack  
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 More options Jan 5 1994, 5:51 pm
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From: spiv...@hal.COM (Guy Richard Spivack)
Date: 5 Jan 1994 22:18:46 GMT
Local: Wed, Jan 5 1994 5:18 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs

>Well, I guess this sign isn't unusual, but I still don't quite get it.
>It seems that on many rural W. Pennsylvania roads (and maybe in most
>areas for that matter) under the speed limit sign they will put another
>sign that says BEGIN or END.  I understand the BEGIN part means that this
>is a new speed limit, but the END part I don't understand.  OK, so this
>is the end of the area with speed limit XX, but what is the new limit?
>Is it faster or slower?

END of a posted speed limit usually means the new
limit is 55.  For instance, you will be driving on
a 55 road, and you may come up to a town or an area
with more cross traffic, and a sign will say BEGIN 40.
When you are back to "open road", there will be a sign
that says END 40.

It may be that END means "revert to previous posted limit",
but I believe that always means 55.  Personally, I'm with
you, if they're going to put up an "END 40" sign, why not
just put up a conventional "55" sign?

-Guy
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Lee Hetherington  
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 More options Jan 5 1994, 6:39 pm
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From: i...@goldilocks.lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington)
Date: 05 Jan 1994 23:03:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
In article <2gfec6$...@hal.com> spiv...@hal.COM (Guy Richard Spivack) writes:
| It may be that END means "revert to previous posted limit",
| but I believe that always means 55.  Personally, I'm with
| you, if they're going to put up an "END 40" sign, why not
| just put up a conventional "55" sign?

Vermont does this a lot too.  However, since the state speed limit (for
non-interstates) is 50mph, "END 40" means 50mph.  So, in general, "END
X" means revert to the default speed.
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Joseph David Newhouse  
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 More options Jan 5 1994, 7:12 pm
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From: sra...@wam.umd.edu (Joseph David Newhouse)
Date: 5 Jan 1994 23:51:58 GMT
Local: Wed, Jan 5 1994 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs

Randy Casciola (r...@ius4.ius.cs.cmu.edu) wrote:

: It seems that on many rural W. Pennsylvania roads (and maybe in most
: areas for that matter) under the speed limit sign they will put another
: sign that says BEGIN or END.  I understand the BEGIN part means that this
: is a new speed limit, but the END part I don't understand.  OK, so this
: is the end of the area with speed limit XX, but what is the new limit?
: Is it faster or slower?

I think that the default speed limit on rural Pennsylvania roads is 55 MPH,
so when the other speed limit "ends" (usually when you are exiting a village),
it is back up to 55 again.

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W. A. Jeffers, Lafayette College  
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 More options Jan 6 1994, 9:51 am
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From: "W. A. Jeffers, Lafayette College" <JW#0...@lafibm.lafayette.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 14:35:46 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jan 6 1994 9:35 am
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
I don't know if it's still there or not, but there used to be a
large green sign at a town line in Connecticut (along the Merritt
Parkway, as I recall) which boldly proclaimed "THIS IS ORANGE."

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ronald.r.tirados  
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 More options Jan 6 1994, 2:21 pm
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From: r...@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (ronald.r.tirados)
Date: 6 Jan 94 18:34:15 GMT
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Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs

Back in the 1970's this was once a sign on a NJ local road...

=============================
|   Two way lane road.      |
| But if today is Sunday    |
| its One Way. You're going |
|   the wrong direction.    |
=============================


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DR8219  
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 More options Jan 6 1994, 2:48 pm
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From: k...@longs.att.com (131P10000-FranklinKL(DR8219)252)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 18:52:54 GMT
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Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
In article <2gfec6$...@hal.com> spiv...@hal.COM (Guy Richard Spivack) writes:

You may get in trouble with the assumption that the "END" sign always
means return to a 55 mph limit.  In many areas of the country, the
speed limits are blanketly defined unless otherwise posted.  In
Colorado, for example, the motor vehicle code specifies that the
speed limit on mountain roads is 40 mph unless otherwise posted.
The implication here is that if ther is no posted limit on a mountain
road, the limit is 40 mph.  An END xx sign would therefore indicate a
return to a 40 mph limit.

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Lesley Walker  
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 More options Jan 6 1994, 8:55 pm
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From: les...@actrix.gen.nz (Lesley Walker)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 02:21:55 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jan 6 1994 9:21 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
E. Michael Smith <e...@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)> wrote:

> Some of the best I've seen were in other countries.  New Zealand
> comes to mind...  'Side Track Ahead'  (ever been side-tracked before?

How many million years ago was this?  I've done a far amount of driving
in all parts of NZ, I've been a driver for 16 years, and I've *never*
seen a sign like that.

> They use this to mean 'Detour Ahead'.  And then there was the rather
> cryptic to Americans 'Metaled Road' that it turns out means 'Gravel
> Road' and has nothing to do with Metal at all..

Cryptic to me, too!  I have never been able to figure out why some
people call that stuff "metal".  Perhaps it's a British-ism?

> But my favorite was the sign at the (Australian?) rail road
> grade/crossing that lead me to picture a crafty train hiding in the
> bushes waiting for the un-suspecting motorist:  "Beware of Train"
> Never know when an evil train will be looking for the unwary to
> pounce upon...

We should adopt that one here.  Have you heard how many level crossing
crashes we've been having recently?

Actually, most of our signs are now the cryptic pictorial international
ones.  I don't think this is a good thing, because for visitors from
overseas, different signage used to be yet another reminder of being in
a different country where they drive on the other side of the road.

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Lesley Walker  
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 More options Jan 6 1994, 10:17 pm
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From: les...@actrix.gen.nz (Lesley Walker)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 02:37:06 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jan 6 1994 9:37 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
Bob Goudreau <goudr...@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau)> wrote:

> Here in NC, when a paved road becomes a dirt or gravel road, the
> sign says "PAVEMENT ENDS".  This is quite a different thing than
> "ROAD ENDS" or "HIGHWAY ENDS", so it's important to use distinct
> signs for each of the two situations.

Our equivalent sign says SEAL ENDS, or it used, last time I saw one.
I always wondered how the seals got on without their ends.

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Craig Boyle  
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 More options Jan 7 1994, 1:12 am
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From: bo...@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 04:49:16 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jan 6 1994 11:49 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs

In article <CJ8n9u....@actrix.gen.nz> leat...@phobos.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>Bob Goudreau <goudr...@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau)> wrote:

>> Here in NC, when a paved road becomes a dirt or gravel road, the
>> sign says "PAVEMENT ENDS".  This is quite a different thing than
>> "ROAD ENDS" or "HIGHWAY ENDS", so it's important to use distinct
>> signs for each of the two situations.

They use "PAVEMENT ENDS" in Texas too. I come from the UK, where
pavement means sidewalk. The first time I saw "pavement ends",
I though "why do I care?",  I soon found out!

Craig


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Chip Gandy  
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 More options Jan 7 1994, 3:36 am
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From: chip.ga...@datadim.com (Chip Gandy)
Date: 6 Jan 94 02:09:00 GMT
Subject: Unusual Road Signs
UM->The funniest I know of was in Texas, they have a a traffic sign that says
UM->"Obey all Traffic Signs" or something like that. Bit recursive don't
UM->you think?  A Godel sentence for sure.

i've got a better one.  one night, a buddy of mine and i were driving
around, and we were going down this little side street.  anyways, we
were abotu to turn onto a major road, and under the stop sign, there was
another sign that said "speed limit 30"  we both kinda went HUH?  and as
we got closer to it, the sign CHANGED to read no left turn.  well, we
backued up, and looked again, and again.  finally realizing that they
did an AWFUL job of reusing the previous speed limit sign.

also, here's another one.  on the campus of the a college in abalama
<sic>  there was a sign outside the visitor's info center that was a
large blue sign, with a single question mark on it.  i want to go back
and claim that sign for my room. :)
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jwg  
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 More options Jan 7 1994, 9:44 am
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 13:38:50 GMT
Local: Fri, Jan 7 1994 8:38 am
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
In article <CJ2HMr...@skopen.dseg.ti.com> ox...@skopen.dseg.ti.com (Gail Oxton) writes:

   I like Texas' folding signs.  In winter, they're open to the standard
   sign of "Warning Watch for Ice on Bridge", and in summer, they're closed
   but with a bumper sticker that says "Don't Mess With Texas", the
   anti-litter campaign.  Even if they didn't have the bumper sticker, I
   like that fact that these signs close--who wants to see a warning about
   ice in August when it's 102 outside!

Our ice-warning signs in Indiana are visible year-round; I remember as a
youngster being very confused.  "Dad, why should you have to watch for
ice on the bridge when it's 87 degrees?" The folding sign idea sounds neato.

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 More options Jan 7 1994, 11:34 am
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From: j...@SEDV1.acd4.acd.com (jwg)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 14:17:14 GMT
Local: Fri, Jan 7 1994 9:17 am
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs
In article <1994Jan4.183051.22...@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> mcra...@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Mark Crafts) writes:

   A friend and I were doing some exploring one night near Edisto Island, SC.
   There's lots of dirt roads around, so we got used to seeing signs that
   said "Road Ends 500 Feet" at which point the pavement would end and it
   would continue on as a dirt road.

   Well, we were driving along, saw the familiar sign and kept going.
   As we continued it occurred to me that I couldn't see where the road
   went, figuring it was a dip or a downgrade, I kept going.  Suddenly I
   realized where the road went!  I stomped on the brakes and stopped about
   20 feet from the end of the road.  Whereupon it dropped down about 15
   feet into a saltwater river!  No signs other than the initial one,
   no barricade or anything!

This reminds me of a particularly scary thing that happened to me once
on a return trip from New Jersey back to Indiana.  I got very, very tired of
I-70, so just after entering Ohio I dumped off onto US 40.  Boy, did that
ever slow me down, because that road winds through every dot on the map.  I
was ready to bail out of that situation, so I consulted Rand McNally, which
showed an exit off 40 onto 70 where the two roads intersected oh, say, 40
miles east of Columbus.  Looked good to me.  Heck, it even showed that the
road widened to 4 lanes a few miles ahead of the exit.

I come to an intersection.  There's a sign that says, "<-- To I70", and
on the other side of the intersection I see the road widen to 4 lanes.  Happy
to be free of the two-lane, I goosed it and was cruising at a good 70 mph.
I thought it strange that I had the road to myself; no traffic in either
direction.  About then I noticed that all the road signs were either covered
with tarps, or were blank!  I was starting to become very concerned about
all this when I rounded a curve and found myself staring at a hillside...
into which the road abruptly ended!  I slammed on the brakes.  Rand McNally
was wrong.  40 and 70 intersected all right, but only conceptually.  70
was built *on top of* 40.  They carted in a gigantic mound of dirt, plopped
it down on that section of 40, packed it down good, paved the top of it,
and called it the Interstate.

The whole thing scared the beejeebees out of me.

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 More options Jan 7 1994, 11:50 am
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From: mgrif...@access3.digex.net (Michael D. Griffin)
Date: 7 Jan 1994 16:33:05 GMT
Local: Fri, Jan 7 1994 11:33 am
Subject: Unusual Road Signs
I sure these must have appeared, but I can't resist..

Sign says: *25 MEN WORKING*....come on, I've NEVER seen 25 men working
there..standing around, watching yeah, but working NOT.

Sign says: *SLOW MEN WORKING*....much more accurate.


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 More options Jan 7 1994, 1:25 pm
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From: goudr...@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 17:13:23 GMT
Local: Fri, Jan 7 1994 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: Unusual Road Signs

In article <1994Jan7.044916.12...@cactus.org> bo...@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:

>They use "PAVEMENT ENDS" in Texas too. I come from the UK, where
>pavement means sidewalk. The first time I saw "pavement ends",
>I though "why do I care?",  I soon found out!

So what do Britons call the class of substances used to pave roads,
if "pavement" can't be used for that purpose?  Words like "asphalt",
"macadam" and "concrete" all refer to specific materials; is there
a British term for the class as a whole?

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