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Existential Angst
Nov 6, 2012, 2:02:48 PM11/6/12
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Holy shit, I think he was.... but for the wrong reasons, of course. He
was bitching about tripping over extension cords and fires or some other
dumb shit (regarding car inverters), whereas the problems are really more
fundamental.
So this protracted wrangling of mine, over car/battery inverters vs. trad'l
gensets, has been solved:
I ordered BOTH.... LOL
But the "real working solution" seems to be a genset, in this case a
tri-fuel.
The inverter thing *could* work, but from other recent threads, it seems
that this strat just turns into a bear.
I did order two inverters (1500 and 2500 W cobras) to experiment with, but
not nec. for house power -- altho when I set it up, I'll screw around with
that as well.
What I finally did was order one of these:
http://www.generatorsales.com/order/Honda-16kw-Propane-Generator.asp?page=H04599
and one of these:
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=EXH40001_0306020503
so's I can run the unit inside.
The unit I ordered is actually a tri-fuel, but it has no gas tank, but can
siphon from any container, which is pretty neat.
The total bill is $3K, MUCH more than I wanted to spend (PLUS my stolen $1K
BlackMax -- goodgawd), but bottom line, this Sandy thing just spooked me big
time, PLUS this being the 3rd major weather event around here in 1.5 years.
I've lucked out in all three, but that's all it was, luck.
Now, this unit may not be for everyone, and here are some of the
pro's/con's.
Like virtually all "affordable" units, this thing will sound like a goddamm
lawnmower -- don't listen to those bullshit decibel claims.
A true automotive muffler might help (either replacing the original, or
placed in series with the existing) can help a bit, but a sound-proofed
enclosure box is a better (albeit more troublesome) solution. If you want
an intrinsically quiiet unit, quiet will double, triple the price at a given
wattage, eg, the Honda EU series.
Or buy an Onan.... lol But actually, you can find them on craig's list,
rel. cheap. Just have yer fork lift ready.....
.
The above unit is a very compact unit, with no wheels, but then that's why
God invented dolly's. Not that heavy for the wattage, about 240#.
You can make it fully automatic, like the Generac standby's, but to me
that's just pita complexity, UNLESS it's for a second home or sumpn.
Btw, you can get a 8 kW Generac (7 kW continuous, then de-rated for nat gas)
for considerably cheaper ($1800-2000), but at half the watts of my unit.
And the generac is a fairly big box (almost like a small storage shed, you
can see them at HD), vs. the above unit, which is like a large suitcase.
And generac reliability seems to be iffy. The above unit is Honder-powered.
Tri-fuel, imo, is Da Bomb, makes the unit very versatile, I can throw it on
m'truck anytime, for whatever -- not for camping, tho, too noisy, unless you
build a really good box. Car inverters would proly be better for camping,
it would seem.
But for long outages, natural gas is *by far* the best way to go, followed
by propane, then gasoline.
15 kW is proly more than most people need, but I have sizable sq ft and a
shop, so I figgered I might as well just take the plunge.
Vic Smith is very right about the cost/benefit/probability considerations,
and no doubt I "overpaid" in this regard, but I really got spooked this
time, and the utilities are telling people, flat out, they're not getting
power 'til Nov 15...... at best.
Holy shit.... Dat easily coulda been me. My rich fuckhead neighbors
(bunches of them) were without power for a full week. The MAYOR is without
power, in a city of 200,000++ ... !!!!
I believe that like the Halloween snow storm, some people will be without
power for a month.
So, I overpaid, probability-wise, but at least now I can sleep, and if shit
happens, at least I'll be able to keep the shop going..
AND I got those inverters coming.... lol
Sam's club BlackMax (8750 peak, 7500 continuous) is a good unit, and the
above site sells them, in both gasoline AND tri-fuel models.
The BlackMax at Sam's is $1K, the tri-fuel from the above site is about
$1500. You could modify the blackmax yourself with tri-fuel kits ($150-200,
many sites, incl the above), but if I had it to do over, I'da ordered the
tri-fuel version, pay the difference for peace of mind, no futzing around.
Before the blackmax walked, I tested it fairly extensively, with CNC
machining equip, pyooters, compressors, you name it, wow, what a stable
workhorse, very impressive.
The only thing that made it really hiccup was starting a 5 hp rpc., whose
hiccup I think I could have reduced by starting a 2 hp rpc first.
But overall impressive.
So for half of what I paid, most people would do very very well with that
modified blackmax (with the wheels, etc). Noisy tho, and doesn't have an
"automotive type" muffler, like the one I just ordered, which means it will
be more difficult to put another muffler on, but not super-difficult, just a
pita.
You would not, without some kind of custom adatper, be able to install that
flex hose above, whereas on the unit I ordered, it (theoretically) clamps
right on the muffler flange.
I believe the car inverter strat is workable, but the Q is how workable, AND
at what risk to the car, alternator.
After much flipflopping, I just decided to bite the $3K bullet.
Oh, and another thing, in a real shit scenario like what we have now -- no
power AND no gasoline!!! -- the car inverter fails as well, another
consideration.
If you have a nat gas generator, AND an electric car, yer pretty much set.
I was seriously contemplating trading in one vehicle for a Chevy Volt, but
just too much dough, AND an interim solution is real simple: Just store
oodles of gas.
None of these electrics pay for themselves, vs. the economy gas equiv. The
new Pruis C proly does tho, if you get the base model, $18k, 50+ mpg....
one forum was talking about 65 mpg.... which gives it, like, an 800 mile
range!! Holy shit....
So, inyway, just the wranglings of another struggling home-moaner, taking it
in the ass, along with the (w)hole of working Merka..... which of course
will get lots worse, regardless of who wins today.
I believe, tho, that Romney actually ENJOYS fucking the working class (since
he made a career out of it at Bain), while Obama just accepts a fucked
working class as "collateral damage". Still, we're fucked either way.
--
EA
was bitching about tripping over extension cords and fires or some other
dumb shit (regarding car inverters), whereas the problems are really more
fundamental.
So this protracted wrangling of mine, over car/battery inverters vs. trad'l
gensets, has been solved:
I ordered BOTH.... LOL
But the "real working solution" seems to be a genset, in this case a
tri-fuel.
The inverter thing *could* work, but from other recent threads, it seems
that this strat just turns into a bear.
I did order two inverters (1500 and 2500 W cobras) to experiment with, but
not nec. for house power -- altho when I set it up, I'll screw around with
that as well.
What I finally did was order one of these:
http://www.generatorsales.com/order/Honda-16kw-Propane-Generator.asp?page=H04599
and one of these:
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=EXH40001_0306020503
so's I can run the unit inside.
The unit I ordered is actually a tri-fuel, but it has no gas tank, but can
siphon from any container, which is pretty neat.
The total bill is $3K, MUCH more than I wanted to spend (PLUS my stolen $1K
BlackMax -- goodgawd), but bottom line, this Sandy thing just spooked me big
time, PLUS this being the 3rd major weather event around here in 1.5 years.
I've lucked out in all three, but that's all it was, luck.
Now, this unit may not be for everyone, and here are some of the
pro's/con's.
Like virtually all "affordable" units, this thing will sound like a goddamm
lawnmower -- don't listen to those bullshit decibel claims.
A true automotive muffler might help (either replacing the original, or
placed in series with the existing) can help a bit, but a sound-proofed
enclosure box is a better (albeit more troublesome) solution. If you want
an intrinsically quiiet unit, quiet will double, triple the price at a given
wattage, eg, the Honda EU series.
Or buy an Onan.... lol But actually, you can find them on craig's list,
rel. cheap. Just have yer fork lift ready.....
.
The above unit is a very compact unit, with no wheels, but then that's why
God invented dolly's. Not that heavy for the wattage, about 240#.
You can make it fully automatic, like the Generac standby's, but to me
that's just pita complexity, UNLESS it's for a second home or sumpn.
Btw, you can get a 8 kW Generac (7 kW continuous, then de-rated for nat gas)
for considerably cheaper ($1800-2000), but at half the watts of my unit.
And the generac is a fairly big box (almost like a small storage shed, you
can see them at HD), vs. the above unit, which is like a large suitcase.
And generac reliability seems to be iffy. The above unit is Honder-powered.
Tri-fuel, imo, is Da Bomb, makes the unit very versatile, I can throw it on
m'truck anytime, for whatever -- not for camping, tho, too noisy, unless you
build a really good box. Car inverters would proly be better for camping,
it would seem.
But for long outages, natural gas is *by far* the best way to go, followed
by propane, then gasoline.
15 kW is proly more than most people need, but I have sizable sq ft and a
shop, so I figgered I might as well just take the plunge.
Vic Smith is very right about the cost/benefit/probability considerations,
and no doubt I "overpaid" in this regard, but I really got spooked this
time, and the utilities are telling people, flat out, they're not getting
power 'til Nov 15...... at best.
Holy shit.... Dat easily coulda been me. My rich fuckhead neighbors
(bunches of them) were without power for a full week. The MAYOR is without
power, in a city of 200,000++ ... !!!!
I believe that like the Halloween snow storm, some people will be without
power for a month.
So, I overpaid, probability-wise, but at least now I can sleep, and if shit
happens, at least I'll be able to keep the shop going..
AND I got those inverters coming.... lol
Sam's club BlackMax (8750 peak, 7500 continuous) is a good unit, and the
above site sells them, in both gasoline AND tri-fuel models.
The BlackMax at Sam's is $1K, the tri-fuel from the above site is about
$1500. You could modify the blackmax yourself with tri-fuel kits ($150-200,
many sites, incl the above), but if I had it to do over, I'da ordered the
tri-fuel version, pay the difference for peace of mind, no futzing around.
Before the blackmax walked, I tested it fairly extensively, with CNC
machining equip, pyooters, compressors, you name it, wow, what a stable
workhorse, very impressive.
The only thing that made it really hiccup was starting a 5 hp rpc., whose
hiccup I think I could have reduced by starting a 2 hp rpc first.
But overall impressive.
So for half of what I paid, most people would do very very well with that
modified blackmax (with the wheels, etc). Noisy tho, and doesn't have an
"automotive type" muffler, like the one I just ordered, which means it will
be more difficult to put another muffler on, but not super-difficult, just a
pita.
You would not, without some kind of custom adatper, be able to install that
flex hose above, whereas on the unit I ordered, it (theoretically) clamps
right on the muffler flange.
I believe the car inverter strat is workable, but the Q is how workable, AND
at what risk to the car, alternator.
After much flipflopping, I just decided to bite the $3K bullet.
Oh, and another thing, in a real shit scenario like what we have now -- no
power AND no gasoline!!! -- the car inverter fails as well, another
consideration.
If you have a nat gas generator, AND an electric car, yer pretty much set.
I was seriously contemplating trading in one vehicle for a Chevy Volt, but
just too much dough, AND an interim solution is real simple: Just store
oodles of gas.
None of these electrics pay for themselves, vs. the economy gas equiv. The
new Pruis C proly does tho, if you get the base model, $18k, 50+ mpg....
one forum was talking about 65 mpg.... which gives it, like, an 800 mile
range!! Holy shit....
So, inyway, just the wranglings of another struggling home-moaner, taking it
in the ass, along with the (w)hole of working Merka..... which of course
will get lots worse, regardless of who wins today.
I believe, tho, that Romney actually ENJOYS fucking the working class (since
he made a career out of it at Bain), while Obama just accepts a fucked
working class as "collateral damage". Still, we're fucked either way.
--
EA
Mark
Nov 6, 2012, 6:30:47 PM11/6/12
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On Nov 6, 2:03 pm, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Holy shit, I think he was.... but for the wrong reasons, of course. He
> was bitching about tripping over extension cords and fires or some other
> dumb shit (regarding car inverters), whereas the problems are really more
> fundamental.
>
> So this protracted wrangling of mine, over car/battery inverters vs. trad'l
> gensets, has been solved:
> I ordered BOTH.... LOL
>
that is the best answer.
> Holy shit, I think he was.... but for the wrong reasons, of course. He
> was bitching about tripping over extension cords and fires or some other
> dumb shit (regarding car inverters), whereas the problems are really more
> fundamental.
>
> So this protracted wrangling of mine, over car/battery inverters vs. trad'l
> gensets, has been solved:
> I ordered BOTH.... LOL
>
you run the inverter with a car battery when you need a small amount
of power for the TV or the modem for your laptop etc...
and you run the genny when its time to cool down the fridge or run the
furnace or microwave etc. and charge up the car battery for the
inverter.
you don't want to run the genny all night if you don't have to.
Mark
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 6:13:34 AM11/7/12
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"Mark" <mako...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a7d2647a-c6c4-4303...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
Indeed, when in doubt, waffling and/or the shotgun approach work, almost by
definition.
The shotgun solution can be a little 'spensive, tho. When I'm done
(assuming I keep both inverters), all this will have cost *over* $4,000....
and that's with me doing all the installs....
Farming out all the installation work, you could *easily* double that....
goodgawd....
But you can "get by" with a 4,000 W tri-fuel (Honder powered), for under
$1,000 from that same company, if you do the installation yourself. And if
you take some chances on quality, proly half that.
Of course, a plain ole budget gasoline generator can be had for half that
again, a cupla hundred -- which is almost not worth it imo, but apparently a
lot of people think otherwise, judging from the long lines of people with 1
gal gas cans....
you run the inverter with a car battery when you need a small amount
of power for the TV or the modem for your laptop etc...
and you run the genny when its time to cool down the fridge or run the
furnace or microwave etc. and charge up the car battery for the
inverter.
you don't want to run the genny all night if you don't have to.
=======================================================
Yeah, those were my thoughts as well, IF car inverter power is adequate even
for that -- AND safe for the car/alternator.
The inverters arrived last nite (1500, 2500 W), I'll be getting a Sears
marine battery today hopefully, and start tryna put this together, on
m'truck, then on the other car, see what happens. This inverter strat
serves a variety of other purposes besides outage backup power, so this is
not do or die.
Too bad, cuz with a little thought from a car maker, a really practical
solution could be had, alternator/inverter-wise.
But not for weeks at a time, like what some people endure with these
widespread outages.
--
EA
Mark
news:a7d2647a-c6c4-4303...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 2:03 pm, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Holy shit, I think he was.... but for the wrong reasons, of course. He
> was bitching about tripping over extension cords and fires or some other
> dumb shit (regarding car inverters), whereas the problems are really more
> fundamental.
>
> So this protracted wrangling of mine, over car/battery inverters vs.
> trad'l
> gensets, has been solved:
> I ordered BOTH.... LOL
>
that is the best answer.
===========================================
> Holy shit, I think he was.... but for the wrong reasons, of course. He
> was bitching about tripping over extension cords and fires or some other
> dumb shit (regarding car inverters), whereas the problems are really more
> fundamental.
>
> So this protracted wrangling of mine, over car/battery inverters vs.
> trad'l
> gensets, has been solved:
> I ordered BOTH.... LOL
>
that is the best answer.
Indeed, when in doubt, waffling and/or the shotgun approach work, almost by
definition.
The shotgun solution can be a little 'spensive, tho. When I'm done
(assuming I keep both inverters), all this will have cost *over* $4,000....
and that's with me doing all the installs....
Farming out all the installation work, you could *easily* double that....
goodgawd....
But you can "get by" with a 4,000 W tri-fuel (Honder powered), for under
$1,000 from that same company, if you do the installation yourself. And if
you take some chances on quality, proly half that.
Of course, a plain ole budget gasoline generator can be had for half that
again, a cupla hundred -- which is almost not worth it imo, but apparently a
lot of people think otherwise, judging from the long lines of people with 1
gal gas cans....
you run the inverter with a car battery when you need a small amount
of power for the TV or the modem for your laptop etc...
and you run the genny when its time to cool down the fridge or run the
furnace or microwave etc. and charge up the car battery for the
inverter.
you don't want to run the genny all night if you don't have to.
Yeah, those were my thoughts as well, IF car inverter power is adequate even
for that -- AND safe for the car/alternator.
The inverters arrived last nite (1500, 2500 W), I'll be getting a Sears
marine battery today hopefully, and start tryna put this together, on
m'truck, then on the other car, see what happens. This inverter strat
serves a variety of other purposes besides outage backup power, so this is
not do or die.
Too bad, cuz with a little thought from a car maker, a really practical
solution could be had, alternator/inverter-wise.
But not for weeks at a time, like what some people endure with these
widespread outages.
--
EA
Mark
tra...@optonline.net
Nov 7, 2012, 7:48:51 AM11/7/12
to
On Nov 6, 2:03 pm, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Holy shit, I think he was.... but for the wrong reasons, of course.
>e
> was bitching about tripping over extension cords and fires or some other
> dumb shit (regarding car inverters), whereas the problems are really more
> fundamental.
As usual, you're just incapable of manning up and admitting I was in
> was bitching about tripping over extension cords and fires or some other
> dumb shit (regarding car inverters), whereas the problems are really more
> fundamental.
fact right and for all the right reasons. What you were proposing was
a kludge of car battery banks and inverters sitting around in your
garage.
Apparently, it finally sank in.
>
> So this protracted wrangling of mine, over car/battery inverters vs. trad'l
> gensets, has been solved:
> I ordered BOTH.... LOL
> But the "real working solution" seems to be a genset, in this case a
> tri-fuel.
>
> The inverter thing *could* work, but from other recent threads, it seems
> that this strat just turns into a bear.
> I did order two inverters (1500 and 2500 W cobras) to experiment with, but
> not nec. for house power -- altho when I set it up, I'll screw around with
> that as well.
>
> and one of these:http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=EXH40001_0...
I've recommended and discussed the same thing many times. Nice
that you've finally woken up, and now act as if you've discovered
something
useful for the first time.
>
> So, inyway, just the wranglings of another struggling home-moaner, taking it
> in the ass, along with the (w)hole of working Merka..... which of course
> will get lots worse, regardless of who wins today.
> I believe, tho, that Romney actually ENJOYS fucking the working class (since
> he made a career out of it at Bain), while Obama just accepts a fucked
> working class as "collateral damage". Still, we're fucked either way.
> --
> EA
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 8:03:48 AM11/7/12
to
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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========================================================
You humorless asswipe, I gave you FAR more credit than you deserved, and ito
your delusional perceptions of your contributions to these discussions,
prove it.... all you did was naysay, with very few specifics, proly cuz you
were simply parroting someone else, and didn't understand *that*.
Tripping over extension cords was about as concrete as you got.... talk
about stupid, you dumbfuck.
Too bad about Romney, eh? I should give you time to mourn....
--
EA
news:ca430890-89f2-466e...@b19g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
You humorless asswipe, I gave you FAR more credit than you deserved, and ito
your delusional perceptions of your contributions to these discussions,
prove it.... all you did was naysay, with very few specifics, proly cuz you
were simply parroting someone else, and didn't understand *that*.
Tripping over extension cords was about as concrete as you got.... talk
about stupid, you dumbfuck.
Too bad about Romney, eh? I should give you time to mourn....
--
EA
Vic Smith
Nov 7, 2012, 8:48:37 AM11/7/12
to
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:03:48 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>Too bad about Romney, eh? I should give you time to mourn....
LOL. Lots of crabby old farts this morning. They still haven't
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>Too bad about Romney, eh? I should give you time to mourn....
figured out they might be dead before Obama leaves office.
And that if Romney was in, they still might be dead.
And it wouldn't make a dimes worth of difference in how dead they are.
Better to just have a beer and set up the generator or inverter.
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 9:13:24 AM11/7/12
to
"Vic Smith" <thismaila...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:05pk989icfvh2ludh...@4ax.com...
That would be "generator AND inverter".... LOL
The inverters arrived, Autozone has a good-sized marine (deep cycle)
battery.... Sears is fucking useless at this point.
The genset arrives in 4 wks or so.....
Now to figger out how to safely/conveniently store gas.... and to figger
out how long gas actually "lasts", before it goes bad.... IF if goes bad.
And if it does, what to add to it.... Refineries supposedly add
stabilizers, anti-oxidants?? Mebbe I could add some Vitamin C to the gas?
or the more oil-soluble Vit. E???? LOL
I can't bleeve I'm spending over $4,000 on this shit......
But ahm so spooked at this point, I won't be able to sleep until that genset
arrives. Now we got *another* storm, with 50 mph winds.... Hundreds of
thousands are still without power.... holy shit....
Yeah, it don't matter who won.... but it's shocking that 49% of these
brain-dead voters (like Trader4, as one example) voted for some sociopathic
predatory asshole whose MISSION was to destroy/eviscerate thriving
companies, costing thousands of jobs (Bain, of course).
What part of Corporate Raider/Vulture don't these ilitirits (like Trader4)
understand?
Obamer is no peach (I thought he was, at one pont), but goddamm, if Hitler
ran for Pres, and excused the holocaust with: Ohhhhhh,, that was so
YESTERDAY, these fukn Romney assholes would vote fer Der Fuehrer!!
--
EA
news:05pk989icfvh2ludh...@4ax.com...
The inverters arrived, Autozone has a good-sized marine (deep cycle)
battery.... Sears is fucking useless at this point.
The genset arrives in 4 wks or so.....
Now to figger out how to safely/conveniently store gas.... and to figger
out how long gas actually "lasts", before it goes bad.... IF if goes bad.
And if it does, what to add to it.... Refineries supposedly add
stabilizers, anti-oxidants?? Mebbe I could add some Vitamin C to the gas?
or the more oil-soluble Vit. E???? LOL
I can't bleeve I'm spending over $4,000 on this shit......
But ahm so spooked at this point, I won't be able to sleep until that genset
arrives. Now we got *another* storm, with 50 mph winds.... Hundreds of
thousands are still without power.... holy shit....
Yeah, it don't matter who won.... but it's shocking that 49% of these
brain-dead voters (like Trader4, as one example) voted for some sociopathic
predatory asshole whose MISSION was to destroy/eviscerate thriving
companies, costing thousands of jobs (Bain, of course).
What part of Corporate Raider/Vulture don't these ilitirits (like Trader4)
understand?
Obamer is no peach (I thought he was, at one pont), but goddamm, if Hitler
ran for Pres, and excused the holocaust with: Ohhhhhh,, that was so
YESTERDAY, these fukn Romney assholes would vote fer Der Fuehrer!!
--
EA
tra...@optonline.net
Nov 7, 2012, 9:50:53 AM11/7/12
to
On Nov 7, 9:13 am, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Vic Smith" <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote in message
the $4000. And if you haven't figured it out after having been here
for months and having seen it all discussed numerous times here, maybe
it's time to give up. Or you could put together that big old honkin
battery/inverter farm in the garage that you were advocating a month
ago.
> But ahm so spooked at this point, I won't be able to sleep until that genset
> arrives. Now we got *another* storm, with 50 mph winds.... Hundreds of
> thousands are still without power.... holy shit....
>
> Yeah, it don't matter who won.... but it's shocking that 49% of these
> brain-dead voters (like Trader4, as one example) voted for some sociopathic
> predatory asshole whose MISSION was to destroy/eviscerate thriving
> companies, costing thousands of jobs (Bain, of course).
> What part of Corporate Raider/Vulture don't these ilitirits (like Trader4)
> understand?
> Obamer is no peach (I thought he was, at one pont), but goddamm, if Hitler
> ran for Pres, and excused the holocaust with: Ohhhhhh,, that was so
> YESTERDAY, these fukn Romney assholes would vote fer Der Fuehrer!!
> --
> EA
Just another clueless, lying, dumb lib..... This conservative was
nice and
warm and toasty in my heated house, lights, fridges, freezers running,
without grid power for 7 days. Enjoy your wait for that generator!
> "Vic Smith" <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:05pk989icfvh2ludh...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:03:48 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> > <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >>Too bad about Romney, eh? I should give you time to mourn....
>
> > LOL. Lots of crabby old farts this morning. They still haven't
> > figured out they might be dead before Obama leaves office.
> > And that if Romney was in, they still might be dead.
> > And it wouldn't make a dimes worth of difference in how dead they are.
> > Better to just have a beer and set up the generator or inverter.
>
> That would be "generator AND inverter".... LOL
> The inverters arrived, Autozone has a good-sized marine (deep cycle)
> battery.... Sears is fucking useless at this point.
> The genset arrives in 4 wks or so.....
>
> Now to figger out how to safely/conveniently store gas.... and to figger
> out how long gas actually "lasts", before it goes bad.... IF if goes bad.
> And if it does, what to add to it.... Refineries supposedly add
> stabilizers, anti-oxidants?? Mebbe I could add some Vitamin C to the gas?
> or the more oil-soluble Vit. E???? LOL
>
> I can't bleeve I'm spending over $4,000 on this shit......
Maybe you should have figured the above out before you spent
> news:05pk989icfvh2ludh...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:03:48 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> > <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >>Too bad about Romney, eh? I should give you time to mourn....
>
> > LOL. Lots of crabby old farts this morning. They still haven't
> > figured out they might be dead before Obama leaves office.
> > And that if Romney was in, they still might be dead.
> > And it wouldn't make a dimes worth of difference in how dead they are.
> > Better to just have a beer and set up the generator or inverter.
>
> That would be "generator AND inverter".... LOL
> The inverters arrived, Autozone has a good-sized marine (deep cycle)
> battery.... Sears is fucking useless at this point.
> The genset arrives in 4 wks or so.....
>
> Now to figger out how to safely/conveniently store gas.... and to figger
> out how long gas actually "lasts", before it goes bad.... IF if goes bad.
> And if it does, what to add to it.... Refineries supposedly add
> stabilizers, anti-oxidants?? Mebbe I could add some Vitamin C to the gas?
> or the more oil-soluble Vit. E???? LOL
>
> I can't bleeve I'm spending over $4,000 on this shit......
the $4000. And if you haven't figured it out after having been here
for months and having seen it all discussed numerous times here, maybe
it's time to give up. Or you could put together that big old honkin
battery/inverter farm in the garage that you were advocating a month
ago.
> But ahm so spooked at this point, I won't be able to sleep until that genset
> arrives. Now we got *another* storm, with 50 mph winds.... Hundreds of
> thousands are still without power.... holy shit....
>
> Yeah, it don't matter who won.... but it's shocking that 49% of these
> brain-dead voters (like Trader4, as one example) voted for some sociopathic
> predatory asshole whose MISSION was to destroy/eviscerate thriving
> companies, costing thousands of jobs (Bain, of course).
> What part of Corporate Raider/Vulture don't these ilitirits (like Trader4)
> understand?
> Obamer is no peach (I thought he was, at one pont), but goddamm, if Hitler
> ran for Pres, and excused the holocaust with: Ohhhhhh,, that was so
> YESTERDAY, these fukn Romney assholes would vote fer Der Fuehrer!!
> --
> EA
nice and
warm and toasty in my heated house, lights, fridges, freezers running,
without grid power for 7 days. Enjoy your wait for that generator!
Vic Smith
Nov 7, 2012, 10:13:43 AM11/7/12
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:13:24 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>That would be "generator AND inverter".... LOL
>The inverters arrived, Autozone has a good-sized marine (deep cycle)
>battery.... Sears is fucking useless at this point.
>The genset arrives in 4 wks or so.....
>
I'll just say I partly agree with you about the Mittster.
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>That would be "generator AND inverter".... LOL
>The inverters arrived, Autozone has a good-sized marine (deep cycle)
>battery.... Sears is fucking useless at this point.
>The genset arrives in 4 wks or so.....
>
All these millionaires/billionaires, R and D, have been playing the
global market for decades now without thought about America's future.
I still cringe when I hear Obama talking about only having "good
jobs," meaning high-skill, in the U.S.
I grew up working in steel mills and factories, and I know there's a
lot of dumb fucks out there who won't qualify.
They need good jobs too. Maybe their kids can do better.
I want the dumb fucks I was pals with to have a good life too.
They used to.
Where the hell have these pols been?
Never stopped by the local tap and talked to the raw material?
Or read this newsgroup?
Anyway, what I found most repulsive about Mitt is his flip-flopping
like a walleye in the boat. No core values. Totally dishonest.
I wouldn't bother spitting on him. Others can kiss his ass.
As far as gas, I'd do a yearly rotation into the car/truck gas tank.
Set up a pump system. Cheap and no spilling.
You should try the inverter - using the recommended cables and fusing
- on your car/truck battery. Extra batteries defeats KISS, and are
probably totally unnecessary for what you expect from the inverter.
See what it will run in the house. Try the fridge and a couple lamps.
If it's not kicking up your idle after the compressor starts, what's
to worry? Go from there to find limits.
.
Gene
Nov 7, 2012, 10:29:21 AM11/7/12
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I'm as far to the left as you'll find in this country and you're
still a certifiable, card carrying, fucking idiot; but I'm sure
you've heard that many, many times before.
Oh, and good luck running that propane genset indoors.
Maybe you'll provide a good example for others about the
unlikelihood of a guarantee in achieving perfect stoichiometry
in your average, run-of-the-mill internal combustion engine.
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still a certifiable, card carrying, fucking idiot; but I'm sure
you've heard that many, many times before.
Oh, and good luck running that propane genset indoors.
Maybe you'll provide a good example for others about the
unlikelihood of a guarantee in achieving perfect stoichiometry
in your average, run-of-the-mill internal combustion engine.
Ashton Crusher
Nov 7, 2012, 12:48:39 PM11/7/12
to
with the car part at all? Why not just buy a couple deep cycle
batteries and use the genset to charge them? Surely that would use
less gas then running the car? The savings on gas would pay for the
batteries. Charge the batteries during the high power genset use time
and then use the batteries when you only need small around of power.
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 2:16:08 PM11/7/12
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I'm picking up a deep cycle from Autozone in about an hour. The inverter
will operate off that, and I will hook up a switch to let the car alternator
charge that batt when driving, disconnect when using the inverter, sparing
the car batt.
I'll experiment with this as backup power, but mostly it will be used for
120V in the truck.
Also, I'll have a spare batt for the truck! :)
--
EA
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will operate off that, and I will hook up a switch to let the car alternator
charge that batt when driving, disconnect when using the inverter, sparing
the car batt.
I'll experiment with this as backup power, but mostly it will be used for
120V in the truck.
Also, I'll have a spare batt for the truck! :)
--
EA
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 2:36:55 PM11/7/12
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Dats why god invented CO detectors, flexible exhaust steel tubing, and....
wheels, for portability, you dumb verbose pretentious fuck. My setup is
waaaay beyond your comprehension, as was Thevenins theorem and multiple
batteries, you poseur.
You never did show the group just how Thevenin's Theorem would have shed one
iota of clarity on the multiple battery/ inverter thing. Too bad you
decided to bullshit someone who actually knows (well, knew) Thevenin's
Theorem, you dumb unlucky fuck.
Perfect stoichiometry..... what an asshole.
--
EA
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wheels, for portability, you dumb verbose pretentious fuck. My setup is
waaaay beyond your comprehension, as was Thevenins theorem and multiple
batteries, you poseur.
You never did show the group just how Thevenin's Theorem would have shed one
iota of clarity on the multiple battery/ inverter thing. Too bad you
decided to bullshit someone who actually knows (well, knew) Thevenin's
Theorem, you dumb unlucky fuck.
Perfect stoichiometry..... what an asshole.
--
EA
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 2:53:07 PM11/7/12
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> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:13:24 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>That would be "generator AND inverter".... LOL
>>The inverters arrived, Autozone has a good-sized marine (deep cycle)
>>battery.... Sears is fucking useless at this point.
>>The genset arrives in 4 wks or so.....
>>
>
> I'll just say I partly agree with you about the Mittster.
> All these millionaires/billionaires, R and D, have been playing the
> global market for decades now without thought about America's future.
> I still cringe when I hear Obama talking about only having "good
> jobs," meaning high-skill, in the U.S.
> I grew up working in steel mills and factories, and I know there's a
> lot of dumb fucks out there who won't qualify.
> They need good jobs too. Maybe their kids can do better.
> I want the dumb fucks I was pals with to have a good life too.
> They used to.
> Where the hell have these pols been?
+1
> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>That would be "generator AND inverter".... LOL
>>The inverters arrived, Autozone has a good-sized marine (deep cycle)
>>battery.... Sears is fucking useless at this point.
>>The genset arrives in 4 wks or so.....
>>
>
> I'll just say I partly agree with you about the Mittster.
> All these millionaires/billionaires, R and D, have been playing the
> global market for decades now without thought about America's future.
> I still cringe when I hear Obama talking about only having "good
> jobs," meaning high-skill, in the U.S.
> I grew up working in steel mills and factories, and I know there's a
> lot of dumb fucks out there who won't qualify.
> They need good jobs too. Maybe their kids can do better.
> I want the dumb fucks I was pals with to have a good life too.
> They used to.
> Where the hell have these pols been?
Congress should be tried for treason against the US citizenry. They are our
sworm enemy, virtually by definition of the lobbying-based political
process. This is essentially a sociological version of the laws of
thermo -- there is no escape.
> Never stopped by the local tap and talked to the raw material?
> Or read this newsgroup?
> Anyway, what I found most repulsive about Mitt is his flip-flopping
> like a walleye in the boat. No core values. Totally dishonest.
> I wouldn't bother spitting on him. Others can kiss his ass.
people he has destroyed in his CorPirate predation. The working class
voting for Romney is like a jew voting for Hitler.... an exact analogy.
Yet they rationalize such an insanity along Dem/RePube partisan lines. It's
beyond insanity, it's a kind of disguised insanity, cuz these assholes can
still dress themselves and go to work -- at least while they still have
jobs.
We are closer and closer to living in a true political BizarroWorld
(superman comics)
> As far as gas, I'd do a yearly rotation into the car/truck gas tank.
> Set up a pump system. Cheap and no spilling.
oil tank, 55 gal drum, multiple 5 gal pails with pour-lids, etc.
> You should try the inverter - using the recommended cables and fusing
> - on your car/truck battery. Extra batteries defeats KISS, and are
> probably totally unnecessary for what you expect from the inverter.
> See what it will run in the house. Try the fridge and a couple lamps.
> If it's not kicking up your idle after the compressor starts, what's
> to worry? Go from there to find limits.
have a good-size deepcycle battery fortwit, to fool around with tonite.
The wiring in the truck (physically, not schematically) is a bit dicey, but
it will get done.
Should be an inneresting experiment.
Btw, your thoughts in the various threads on all this were very helpful.
The inverter thing will proly prove minimally useful in true power back up,
but it might be partially useful, and more importantly the whole discussion
served to provide clarity in my final decisions. I provided the OP as a
summary of this process, should others be wrangling with the topic.
The humorless asshole Trader4 dudn't understand the process or value of
discussion, examination, cuz he's too busy issuing fuknEdicts all day
long.... I can only imagine what sit-down dinners are like, in that
fuckhead's toasty-warm household.... assuming he's not being delusional
about that as well.
--
EA
> .
Gene
Nov 7, 2012, 3:03:03 PM11/7/12
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to provide indisputable positive proof and for which others here
have already also concluded. But do regale us once again with
how T & NEC aren't broached in first year circuits classes and
a risible inquiry about why employing circuit analysis techniques
might possibly be germane to a discussion about and an exposure
to evaluating an electrical network. I, for one, just can't get enough.
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 3:13:38 PM11/7/12
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> a risible inquiry about why employing circuit analysis techniques
> might possibly be germane to a discussion about and an exposure
> to evaluating an electrical network.
about Thevenin's theory and the inverter discussion -- YOU tell us how it
would be germane.
Oh, I keep forgetting, you can't, because it sheds no light whatsover....
but, if I'm wrong, show the group.... how could pass up such an
opportunity??
Risible inquiry?? You poseuring dumbfuck.
--
EA
Gene
Nov 7, 2012, 3:40:47 PM11/7/12
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Your statement:
> Of course, you already knew everything discussed in this thread, right?
> Right.
> --
> EA
My response exposing that my electrical circuits knowledge,
from a single, first semester, undergraduate class alone,
far exceeds the rigors of the entire subject and discussion:
"My first college class included Thevenin and Norton Equivalent
Circuit analysis, which of course that alone is guaranteed to fly
as far over your brain-dead numb skull as does the exosphere"
https://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.tech/msg/e2586c6cdb77f9de?hl=en
Your repsonse:
> Heh, Thevenin's Theorem is not taught in any "first college class", you
> poseur.
My response documenting and proving your ridiculously
ignorant claim false, replete with supporting link:
>> http://www.academicearth.org/courses/circuits-and-electronics
>> Your pathetically feeble attempt at deceit notwithstanding, I was
>> quite certain, as you've provided proof positive, that both the
>> concept and the point would far out reach your miniscule grasp.
https://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.tech/msg/e2586c6cdb77f9de?hl=en
And your responses just continue to get progressively more
provably untrue and even stupider with your every post. You're
one truly pathetic, wholly transparent and miserably ineffective
bullshit artist.
Gunner
Nov 7, 2012, 3:54:02 PM11/7/12
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Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:13:24 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Now to figger out how to safely/conveniently store gas.... and to figger
>out how long gas actually "lasts", before it goes bad.... IF if goes bad.
>And if it does, what to add to it.... Refineries supposedly add
>stabilizers, anti-oxidants?? Mebbe I could add some Vitamin C to the gas?
>or the more oil-soluble Vit. E???? LOL
http://www.amazon.com/STA-BIL-22240-Marine-Fuel-Stabilizer/product-reviews/B001CAW2DK
>Now to figger out how to safely/conveniently store gas.... and to figger
>out how long gas actually "lasts", before it goes bad.... IF if goes bad.
>And if it does, what to add to it.... Refineries supposedly add
>stabilizers, anti-oxidants?? Mebbe I could add some Vitamin C to the gas?
>or the more oil-soluble Vit. E???? LOL
http://mystarbrite.com/startron/content/blogsection/4/208/lang,en/
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/ast.aspx
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_11151_10001_1180575_-1
You never pay attention do you?
Gunner
--
"President Obama is not going to lose. He will be re-elected. It is those of
you who have these grand fantasies of that pip-squeak Romney actually having
a chance at winning the election that will have to wake up to reality the
day after the election. I hear there is plenty of room in the rest of the
world where you can reside and establish new citizenship.
Kirby Grant,<KGr...@yahoo.com>
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 3:55:01 PM11/7/12
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First, you said "first college class", as in Intro Physics, etc.
THEN you said "first circuit analysis couirse...."
Big diff, you poseuring asshole. Circuit analysis (and there are varieties)
is NOT a first class in any college curriculum I know of.
OK, since you are obviously trying to show me up, NOW show us how Thevenin's
Theorem.... or Norton, or anyone else.... meaningfully applies to our
battery/inverter discussion.
--
EA
>
>
Gene
Nov 7, 2012, 4:04:18 PM11/7/12
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electrical engineering (EE), or electrical engineering and computer
science (EECS) curriculum"
http://www.academicearth.org/courses/circuits-and-electronics
This is at least, every iota, as pathetic as anything I've ever had
the misfortune to witness. And as unlikely as it would seem to
be possible, your responses just continue to get progressively
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 4:25:56 PM11/7/12
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the inverter discussion??
And as unlikely as it would seem to
> be possible, your responses just continue to get progressively
> more provably untrue and even stupider with your every post.
> You're one truly pathetic, wholly transparent and miserably
> ineffective bullshit artist.
OK, I didn't take EE, I got it in general electricity/magnetism....
Where does it say Thevenin's Theorem is covered in this, uh, VIDEO
course....
Video course?? you fukn asshole.....
So where is Thevenin's Theorem??
What you cited was some bullshit overview video course.... somehow
connected to MIT, but all that means is that they use derivatives (calculus)
instead of "deltas" -- you know "delta s / delta t" that they use in HS
physics and the nursing school physics you took.
You still haven't shown how the theorem applies to the inverter/battery
discussion.... bec, well, you are fullashit....
--
EA
>
>
Gene
Nov 7, 2012, 4:41:50 PM11/7/12
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on that very same page, also provided Monty Python's poor,
pathetic and most hapless Black Knight multiple times already:
"Superposition, Thevenin and Norton"
http://www.academicearth.org/courses/circuits-and-electronics
A student for whom Intro to Physics would constitute a
prerequisite surely doesn't, and most probably never could,
begin to comprehend neither the course requirements nor
the rigors of an Electrical Engineering curriculum.
This continues to be at least, every iota, as pathetic as
anything I've ever had the misfortune to witness. And as
unlikely as it would seem to be possible, your responses
Gunner
Nov 7, 2012, 5:05:56 PM11/7/12
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:53:07 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>What's so incomprehensible is that the people kissing his ass are the very
>people he has destroyed in his CorPirate predation. The working class
>voting for Romney is like a jew voting for Hitler.... an exact analogy.
Fascinating how fucked up your thought processes are.
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>What's so incomprehensible is that the people kissing his ass are the very
>people he has destroyed in his CorPirate predation. The working class
>voting for Romney is like a jew voting for Hitler.... an exact analogy.
So..you must be an OWS member, correct?
Gunner
--
""The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have
to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That’s why I
became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have
a clue as to political reality.
What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
workers and convince them that they should support social programs
that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
want.
The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
operative instead of a Republican was because there were more
Democrats that didn’t have a clue than there were Republicans."
James Carvell, DNC operative
Gene
Nov 7, 2012, 5:12:18 PM11/7/12
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> The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
> operative instead of a Republican was because there were more
> Democrats that didn't have a clue than there were Republicans."
> James Carvell, DNC operative
Almost certainly fabricated right-wing nonsense:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/carville.asp
news:voml98hgqmvjf3va5...@4ax.com...
> The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
> operative instead of a Republican was because there were more
> Democrats that didn't have a clue than there were Republicans."
> James Carvell, DNC operative
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/carville.asp
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 5:18:07 PM11/7/12
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You cited some bullshit VIDEO course.
Below are curriculums from TWO diff. universities offering an EE degree, my
first two hits on "EE curriculums".
Drexel:
http://www.ece.umd.edu/Academic/Under/advising/EE_reqs_matric_F10.html
Maryland:
http://www.csulb.edu/divisions/aa/catalog/current/roadmaps/coe/ee/index.html
In Drexel, circuit analysis or anything resembling it does not appear until
200-level courses,
in Maryland, anything resembling circuit analysis does not appear 'til the
3rd semester.
If you went to a good HS, and took *plenty* of AP courses, you *might* get
to circuit analysis in the 1st/2nd semesters. But that certainly did not
apply to you -- Special Ed??
I'm sure you took, well, a Video course, where someone MENTIONED
Thevenin.... certainly not how to use his theorem, OR how to derive them.
Dollars to donuts alladat shit can be derived/figgered out with Kirchoff's
laws, anyway.
So, yeah, in your VIDEO curriculum, someone mebbe mentioned Thevenin,
prematurely.
In REAL curriculums, well, you see for yourself.
Oh, again Sir Poseur, just HOW does Thevenin relate to the inverter battery
discussion?? STILL can't tell us?
Btw, did you take English Composition/Writing in college... I mean, High
school? Could you *possibly* write more pompously?? Oh, Oh, that's right,
you're a man/boy of letters, too?? You and George Plimpton here.... and
Trader4..... you all should rent a motel room together.... you can put it
on my credit card, my treat.... please use condoms....
--
EA
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 5:24:40 PM11/7/12
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> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:53:07 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>What's so incomprehensible is that the people kissing his ass are the very
>>people he has destroyed in his CorPirate predation. The working class
>>voting for Romney is like a jew voting for Hitler.... an exact analogy.
>
>
> Fascinating how fucked up your thought processes are.
How so??
> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>What's so incomprehensible is that the people kissing his ass are the very
>>people he has destroyed in his CorPirate predation. The working class
>>voting for Romney is like a jew voting for Hitler.... an exact analogy.
>
>
> Fascinating how fucked up your thought processes are.
Romney's Raiding eviscerated employment for thousands. In one transaction,
recently cited, 25,000 jobs were outsourced..
>
> So..you must be an OWS member, correct?
common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly still
suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been mindfucked just
like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
--
EA
Gene
Nov 7, 2012, 6:00:10 PM11/7/12
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a mythological (as is your stock-in-trade) manner that you
might more easily relate to - as Arthur (Graham Chapman),
King of the Britons bid farewll to the Black Knight: "You're
a loony! Come on Patsy (Terry Gilliam)".
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 6:23:08 PM11/7/12
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YOU went from "first college course" to "first EE course" (which isn't
usually referred to as "college"), and THEN you went to "first VIDEO EE
course".....
I posted two sample EE curriculums from name-brand universities, with none
of what you mention anywhere near a "first course".... just WHO is
delusional??
PLUS.... and this is the biggie....
You STILL can't show how Thevenin has ANYTHING to do with a diy-er
discussion of batteries/inverters.... ANYTHING......
Cuz, well, you just had to name drop..... and "curriculum drop".... and
yer fullashit on both counts.
Dude, I don't pretend to really understand Thevenin.... I mean, I passed
the course, but fuuuck, so did a lot of other morons.
BUT, I know enough to know when some asshole is flapping his 3" dick in
front of a slide projector, pretending it's 18", when all's it is is a
shadow of a 3" dick.....
Keep flapping, you delusional fuck, keep flapping, with your ersatz literary
"""style""".... what a fukn sham....
--
EA
Gunner
Nov 7, 2012, 8:16:04 PM11/7/12
to
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see the
>common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly still
>suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
>Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been mindfucked just
>like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
>
>I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
Im digging the hole this weekend.
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see the
>common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly still
>suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
>Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been mindfucked just
>like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
>
>I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 7, 2012, 8:21:30 PM11/7/12
to
Gunner wrote:
>
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see the
> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly still
> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been mindfucked just
> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
> >
> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
>
> Im digging the hole this weekend.
Gunner
Nov 7, 2012, 8:30:46 PM11/7/12
to
Nice and snug. And deep.
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 9:03:56 PM11/7/12
to
"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:po2m98h01ltqic6kb...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:21:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Gunner wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst"
>>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see
>>> >the
>>> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly
>>> >still
>>> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
>>> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been mindfucked
>>> >just
>>> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
>>> >
>>> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
>>>
>>> Im digging the hole this weekend.
>>
>>
>> Remember, narrow, but very deep!
>
> Backholes dig deep.
>
> Nice and snug. And deep.
Sheeit, you would be lucky to have me over there:
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Gunner wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst"
>>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see
>>> >the
>>> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly
>>> >still
>>> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
>>> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been mindfucked
>>> >just
>>> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
>>> >
>>> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
>>>
>>> Im digging the hole this weekend.
>>
>>
>> Remember, narrow, but very deep!
>
> Backholes dig deep.
>
> Nice and snug. And deep.
1. I'm quiet
2. I'm very good looking, into fitness'n'shit...
3. Don't eat much
4. Can fix shit -- and I suspect your hovel needs lots of fixing.....
5. Can machine
6. Could tutor you, at length, in calculus and, most importantly, in
Aristotelian Logic and the Sillygism, which you seem particularly weak in.
Check out http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/ and their rates, you'll see
I'm a bargain.
I'll even bring my cherished copy of True Believer, by Eric Hoffer, which
describes all you Republican mindfucked assholes to a T. You should copy
(longhand) a few choice pages, 6x a day, every day.
7. Oh, yeah, how could we forget, my marvelous marvelous sense of humor...
I could proly make it to (10), but that would be immodest.
--
EA
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 7, 2012, 9:16:10 PM11/7/12
to
Gunner wrote:
>
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:21:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Gunner wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> >> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see the
> >> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly still
> >> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
> >> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been mindfucked just
> >> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
> >> >
> >> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
> >>
> >> Im digging the hole this weekend.
> >
> >
> > Remember, narrow, but very deep!
>
> Backholes dig deep.
>
> Nice and snug. And deep.
with him.
Gunner
Nov 7, 2012, 9:49:39 PM11/7/12
to
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:03:56 -0500, "Existential Angst"
>2. I'm very good looking, into fitness'n'shit...
Sure you are.
>3. Don't eat much
You wont eat much.
forget I earn my living fixing machines and machine shops
infrastructure.....
>5. Can machine
As can I..with 3 lathes and 2mills in my home shop....
necessary.
>Check out http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/ and their rates, you'll see
>I'm a bargain.
>I'll even bring my cherished copy of True Believer, by Eric Hoffer, which
>describes all you Republican mindfucked assholes to a T. You should copy
>(longhand) a few choice pages, 6x a day, every day.
Ive got a couple copies of Rossiters "The Liberal Mind" where a well
recognized..nationally famous clinical shrink shows how you
leftwingers are mentally ill. As bits of your above posting verify.
>7. Oh, yeah, how could we forget, my marvelous marvelous sense of humor...
You have one of those? Please, dust it off and drag it out and try it
on sometime. Leaving it in the drawer for so long and they tend to get
wrinkled.
>
>I could proly make it to (10), but that would be immodest.
For more than 40 years, Rossiter has diagnosed and treated over 1,500
patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more
than 2,700 civil and criminal cases, both state and federal, as a
forensic psychiatrist retained by numerous public offices, courts and
private attorneys. He received his medical and psychiatric training at
the University of Chicago.
Rossiter explains with great clarity why the kind of liberalism
displayed by Barack Obama during his presidency can only be understood
as a psychological disorder.
“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals
relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our
freedoms were founded,” says Rossiter. “Like spoiled, angry children,
they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand
that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the
vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity
– as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human
nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive,
personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and
social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator
who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules
which over-regulates and overtaxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts
their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals
do.”
Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of
inferiority in the population by:
creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and
compensation;
augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to
the will of the government.
“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly
identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to
adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational
beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind
whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and
seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run
their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully
obvious.”
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:po2m98h01ltqic6kb...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:21:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Gunner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst"
>>>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see
>>>> >the
>>>> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly
>>>> >still
>>>> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
>>>> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been mindfucked
>>>> >just
>>>> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
>>>> >
>>>> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
>>>>
>>>> Im digging the hole this weekend.
>>>
>>>
>>> Remember, narrow, but very deep!
>>
>> Backholes dig deep.
>>
>> Nice and snug. And deep.
>
>Sheeit, you would be lucky to have me over there:
>1. I'm quiet
Im silent
>"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:po2m98h01ltqic6kb...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:21:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Gunner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst"
>>>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see
>>>> >the
>>>> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly
>>>> >still
>>>> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
>>>> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been mindfucked
>>>> >just
>>>> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
>>>> >
>>>> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
>>>>
>>>> Im digging the hole this weekend.
>>>
>>>
>>> Remember, narrow, but very deep!
>>
>> Backholes dig deep.
>>
>> Nice and snug. And deep.
>
>Sheeit, you would be lucky to have me over there:
>1. I'm quiet
>2. I'm very good looking, into fitness'n'shit...
>3. Don't eat much
>4. Can fix shit -- and I suspect your hovel needs lots of fixing.....
Odd you would say that. Never been here before. Shrug. Somehow you
forget I earn my living fixing machines and machine shops
infrastructure.....
>5. Can machine
As can I..with 3 lathes and 2mills in my home shop....
>6. Could tutor you, at length, in calculus and, most importantly, in
>Aristotelian Logic and the Sillygism, which you seem particularly weak in.
Waiting for examples of my "weaknesses". Use all the white space
>Aristotelian Logic and the Sillygism, which you seem particularly weak in.
necessary.
>Check out http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/ and their rates, you'll see
>I'm a bargain.
>I'll even bring my cherished copy of True Believer, by Eric Hoffer, which
>describes all you Republican mindfucked assholes to a T. You should copy
>(longhand) a few choice pages, 6x a day, every day.
recognized..nationally famous clinical shrink shows how you
leftwingers are mentally ill. As bits of your above posting verify.
>7. Oh, yeah, how could we forget, my marvelous marvelous sense of humor...
on sometime. Leaving it in the drawer for so long and they tend to get
wrinkled.
>
>I could proly make it to (10), but that would be immodest.
patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more
than 2,700 civil and criminal cases, both state and federal, as a
forensic psychiatrist retained by numerous public offices, courts and
private attorneys. He received his medical and psychiatric training at
the University of Chicago.
Rossiter explains with great clarity why the kind of liberalism
displayed by Barack Obama during his presidency can only be understood
as a psychological disorder.
“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals
relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our
freedoms were founded,” says Rossiter. “Like spoiled, angry children,
they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand
that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the
vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity
– as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human
nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive,
personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and
social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator
who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules
which over-regulates and overtaxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts
their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals
do.”
Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of
inferiority in the population by:
creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and
compensation;
augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to
the will of the government.
“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly
identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to
adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational
beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind
whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and
seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run
their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully
obvious.”
Gunner
Nov 7, 2012, 9:50:01 PM11/7/12
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 21:16:10 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
Ive got lots of lime.
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 10:33:42 PM11/7/12
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"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2t6m985972gs8u37a...@4ax.com...
> nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive,
> personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and
> social equality on the population - as liberals do. And a legislator
> personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and
> who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules
> which over-regulates and overtaxes the nation's citizens, corrupts
> their character and reduces them to wards of the state - as liberals
> which over-regulates and overtaxes the nation's citizens, corrupts
> do."
>
> Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of
> inferiority in the population by:
>
> creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
> satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and
> compensation;
> augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
> rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to
> the will of the government.
>
> "The roots of liberalism - and its associated madness - can be clearly
>
> Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of
> inferiority in the population by:
>
> creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
> satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and
> compensation;
> augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
> rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to
> the will of the government.
>
> identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to
> adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational
> beliefs of the liberal mind," he says. "When the modern liberal mind
> whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and
> seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run
> their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully
> obvious."
Dood,
> adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational
> beliefs of the liberal mind," he says. "When the modern liberal mind
> whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and
> seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run
> their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully
> obvious."
Rossiter apparently understands politics as little as you do.
Assholes in the rank'n'file can be liberal, dems, RePubes, whatever, but
*politicians* are none of those, they are simply PLAYERS, pandering to some
arbitrary political mindset/position, for the sole purpose of their own
aggrandizement. They couldn't give a fuck what that position is. Choosing
between a Dem/RePube politician is like choosing between a Blood and a Crip.
Yeah, you might have a cupla residual True Believes, but bleeve dis, that
true believing plays second fiddle the Numero Uno, which is their wallet.
Rossiter doesn't have a clue about politicans, power, corruption.
Politicians are, plain and simple, very high functioning sociopaths -- as
opposed to, well, You, who is a low-functioning sociopath. Can you see the
diff????
So Rossiters analysis may apply to you'n'me, but not to pols. Criticising a
pol based on his party affiliation is like criticizing a hoodlum based on
whether they are a Blood or a Crip.... who gives a fuck whether it's
either/or, he's a fukn GANG member, that's all you really need to know.
And the analogy holds: Pols are, essentially, gang members.
Want proof? YOU try to take one to lunch..... fuuuuck, Moi wouldn't let
you take me to lunch.... LOL
But that's besides the point. You couldn't even get in the building, to try
and take them to lunch.
You, and Rossiter, simply don't understand the nature of power and
corruption. You've moralized it into something it isn't, some partisan
struggle, X vs. Y.. I'll keep it real simple for you, until you get a few
dozen hours of Sylvan tutoring under yer belt:
Politicians HATE us. The have miserable contempt for our low-class working
existences.
Politicians seek REVENGE for the whole campaigning process. The political
process is as much a game as the judicial system. After you get put away
for 10 years, your defense lawyer and the prosecutor are yukking up at one
of the many bars outside of the courthouse, planning golf. You, and your
hovel, are nothing but an extortable, ransomable asset. You have absolutely
NO VALUE to ANY politician, other than as a taxable asshole (entity) and as
a sucker in the campaign process.
If you (and Rossiter) want to kindergarten-ize this adversarial contempt
(greatly facilitated by the mathematics of overpopulation, btw), into some
Great Moral Battle, you should try to enroll yourself in one of the
Montessori pre-schools.... but, I'm afraid at 60++++, you still couldn't
pass the entrance exam.
I can see from your previous comments that my room is no longer being
reserved, at least not in any meaningful manner. Too bad, cuz you need
tutoring in the worst kind of way.
You will be tested.
--
EA
pyotr filipivich
Nov 7, 2012, 10:41:30 PM11/7/12
to
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012
20:21:30 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>Gunner wrote:
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
The suggestion for rapists is "shoot, shovel and shut up."
Use a backhoe. Because as any rapist's friends and family will tell you:
"deep down, they're good people."
20:21:30 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>Gunner wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst" wrote:
>> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see the
>> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly still
>> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
>> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been mindfucked just
>> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
>> >
>> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
>>
>> Im digging the hole this weekend.
>
> Remember, narrow, but very deep!
'Cause "deep down, they're good people"
>> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see the
>> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly still
>> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
>> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been mindfucked just
>> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
>> >
>> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
>>
>> Im digging the hole this weekend.
>
> Remember, narrow, but very deep!
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
The suggestion for rapists is "shoot, shovel and shut up."
Use a backhoe. Because as any rapist's friends and family will tell you:
"deep down, they're good people."
Gunner
Nov 7, 2012, 11:13:23 PM11/7/12
to
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 22:33:42 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> "The roots of liberalism - and its associated madness - can be clearly
>> identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to
>> adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational
>> beliefs of the liberal mind," he says. "When the modern liberal mind
>> whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and
>> seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run
>> their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully
>> obvious."
>
>Dood,
>
>Rossiter apparently understands politics as little as you do.
Politics? Dood..evidently you dont understand symptoms of mental
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> "The roots of liberalism - and its associated madness - can be clearly
>> identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to
>> adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational
>> beliefs of the liberal mind," he says. "When the modern liberal mind
>> whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and
>> seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run
>> their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully
>> obvious."
>
>Dood,
>
>Rossiter apparently understands politics as little as you do.
illness.
Of course you dont. You are one of those poor sad sickos.
Gunner
Existential Angst
Nov 7, 2012, 11:26:35 PM11/7/12
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"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:39cm98llf3au1rh43...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 22:33:42 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> "The roots of liberalism - and its associated madness - can be clearly
>>> identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to
>>> adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational
>>> beliefs of the liberal mind," he says. "When the modern liberal mind
>>> whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and
>>> seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run
>>> their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully
>>> obvious."
>>
>>Dood,
>>
>>Rossiter apparently understands politics as little as you do.
>
> Politics? Dood..evidently you dont understand symptoms of mental
> illness.
As far as I can tell, full grown adults standing in a 100,000 capacity
> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> "The roots of liberalism - and its associated madness - can be clearly
>>> identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to
>>> adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational
>>> beliefs of the liberal mind," he says. "When the modern liberal mind
>>> whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and
>>> seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run
>>> their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully
>>> obvious."
>>
>>Dood,
>>
>>Rossiter apparently understands politics as little as you do.
>
> Politics? Dood..evidently you dont understand symptoms of mental
> illness.
stadium, cheering some jerkoff rock'n'roll band OR some jerkoff sports team,
or even just discussing professional sports, is the benchmark of mental
illness. On par with religious fervor.
Rossiter should examine celebrity worship, religion, et al if he wants
mental illness. I suspect he'd lighten up right away on libs. Seems like
he has a bug up his professional ass. Figgers you'd cite some professional
with an agenda.
>
> Of course you dont. You are one of those poor
> sad
well, pretty demoralized, living in this bankrupt junk culture...
> sickos.
My stability has been called into question. But in this reality,
instability is a pretty natural/normal response to social insanity..
Sorta like your PTSD, or whatever happened to you after you were discharged.
Mebbe you'n'me should get audited by a reputable Scientologist, eh?? LOL
--
EA
Robert Green
Nov 7, 2012, 11:34:55 PM11/7/12
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"Gene" <gene....@home.com> wrote in message
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http://www.ijreview.com/2012/10/19581-james-carville-80-of-democrats-politically-clueless/
This author reached out to Mr. Carville's office about the blistering quote
and received the following response:
Mr. Becker,
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Apparently the quote was
falsely posted by an unknown user to a quotations website called
thinkexist.com. We have contacted the website and asked them to take the
quote down. James Carville never said these words, and this quote in no way
belongs to James Carville.
Liar, liar pants on fire. (-: What I find remarkable is that Americans are
finally catching on to how much of the information being cited as gospel by
the right turns out to be utter BS and punished them at the polls for their
mendacity.
--
Bobby G.
Gunner
Nov 8, 2012, 12:58:43 AM11/8/12
to
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 23:26:35 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Politics? Dood..evidently you dont understand symptoms of mental
>> illness.
>
>As far as I can tell, full grown adults standing in a 100,000 capacity
>stadium, cheering some jerkoff rock'n'roll band OR some jerkoff sports team,
>or even just discussing professional sports, is the benchmark of mental
>illness. On par with religious fervor.
Your Denial and Transference is noted with much sadness.
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Politics? Dood..evidently you dont understand symptoms of mental
>> illness.
>
>As far as I can tell, full grown adults standing in a 100,000 capacity
>stadium, cheering some jerkoff rock'n'roll band OR some jerkoff sports team,
>or even just discussing professional sports, is the benchmark of mental
>illness. On par with religious fervor.
As you say...full grown adults..mentally ill.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sbm83xoV8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXp3ksU3QoE
Gunner
Nov 8, 2012, 12:59:53 AM11/8/12
to
up to him.
<VBG>
And its not Bush's fault either!!
Gunner
--
""The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have
to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That’s why I
became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have
a clue as to political reality.
What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
workers and convince them that they should support social programs
that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
want.
Existential Angst
Nov 8, 2012, 1:38:39 AM11/8/12
to
"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m9im9850n994g6k6n...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 23:26:35 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Politics? Dood..evidently you dont understand symptoms of mental
>>> illness.
>>
>>As far as I can tell, full grown adults standing in a 100,000 capacity
>>stadium, cheering some jerkoff rock'n'roll band OR some jerkoff sports
>>team,
>>or even just discussing professional sports, is the benchmark of mental
>>illness. On par with religious fervor.
>
>
> Your Denial and Transference is noted with much sadness.
>
> As you say...full grown adults..mentally ill.....
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sbm83xoV8g
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXp3ksU3QoE
>
You really find extended adult dialogue that difficult? You really can't
> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Politics? Dood..evidently you dont understand symptoms of mental
>>> illness.
>>
>>As far as I can tell, full grown adults standing in a 100,000 capacity
>>stadium, cheering some jerkoff rock'n'roll band OR some jerkoff sports
>>team,
>>or even just discussing professional sports, is the benchmark of mental
>>illness. On par with religious fervor.
>
>
> Your Denial and Transference is noted with much sadness.
>
> As you say...full grown adults..mentally ill.....
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sbm83xoV8g
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXp3ksU3QoE
>
grok the insanity of celebrity/sports worship, yet think libruhls are ill??
PTSD?? Or simple ADD??
Are you on Xanax or similar shit?
Almost 1/2 billion prescriptions are written for dat shit, so yer not alone.
In Merka alone.
From Forbes. I'll dig up the cite, iffin yer innerested.... might be
useful to know what meds other people with your condition are taking. Mebbe
y'all can have a psychiatric pharm party.
I'm really pissed about my room over there, you know....
--
EA
Gunner
Nov 8, 2012, 5:32:48 AM11/8/12
to
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 01:38:39 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>As far as I can tell, full grown adults standing in a 100,000 capacity
>>>stadium, cheering some jerkoff rock'n'roll band OR some jerkoff sports
>>>team,
>>>or even just discussing professional sports, is the benchmark of mental
>>>illness. On par with religious fervor.
>>
>>
>> Your Denial and Transference is noted with much sadness.
>>
>> As you say...full grown adults..mentally ill.....
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sbm83xoV8g
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXp3ksU3QoE
>>
>
>You really find extended adult dialogue that difficult? You really can't
>grok the insanity of celebrity/sports worship, yet think libruhls are ill??
What..you didnt like stadiums filled with Leftwingers cheering on
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>As far as I can tell, full grown adults standing in a 100,000 capacity
>>>stadium, cheering some jerkoff rock'n'roll band OR some jerkoff sports
>>>team,
>>>or even just discussing professional sports, is the benchmark of mental
>>>illness. On par with religious fervor.
>>
>>
>> Your Denial and Transference is noted with much sadness.
>>
>> As you say...full grown adults..mentally ill.....
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sbm83xoV8g
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXp3ksU3QoE
>>
>
>You really find extended adult dialogue that difficult? You really can't
>grok the insanity of celebrity/sports worship, yet think libruhls are ill??
their home team to be appropriate?
Just goes to show how mentally twisted you really are.
Shrug
Gunner
Nov 8, 2012, 5:34:55 AM11/8/12
to
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 01:38:39 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>As far as I can tell, full grown adults standing in a 100,000 capacity
>>>stadium, cheering some jerkoff rock'n'roll band OR some jerkoff sports
>>>team,
>>>or even just discussing professional sports, is the benchmark of mental
>>>illness. On par with religious fervor.
>>
>>
>> Your Denial and Transference is noted with much sadness.
>>
>> As you say...full grown adults..mentally ill.....
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sbm83xoV8g
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXp3ksU3QoE
>>
>
>You really find extended adult dialogue that difficult? You really can't
>grok the insanity of celebrity/sports worship, yet think libruhls are ill??
>PTSD?? Or simple ADD??
>Are you on Xanax or similar shit?
>Almost 1/2 billion prescriptions are written for dat shit, so yer not alone.
>In Merka alone.
>From Forbes. I'll dig up the cite, iffin yer innerested.... might be
>useful to know what meds other people with your condition are taking. Mebbe
>y'all can have a psychiatric pharm party.
As is well known..the only meds I take are heart meds. Ive yet to find
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>As far as I can tell, full grown adults standing in a 100,000 capacity
>>>stadium, cheering some jerkoff rock'n'roll band OR some jerkoff sports
>>>team,
>>>or even just discussing professional sports, is the benchmark of mental
>>>illness. On par with religious fervor.
>>
>>
>> Your Denial and Transference is noted with much sadness.
>>
>> As you say...full grown adults..mentally ill.....
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sbm83xoV8g
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXp3ksU3QoE
>>
>
>You really find extended adult dialogue that difficult? You really can't
>grok the insanity of celebrity/sports worship, yet think libruhls are ill??
>PTSD?? Or simple ADD??
>Are you on Xanax or similar shit?
>Almost 1/2 billion prescriptions are written for dat shit, so yer not alone.
>In Merka alone.
>From Forbes. I'll dig up the cite, iffin yer innerested.... might be
>useful to know what meds other people with your condition are taking. Mebbe
>y'all can have a psychiatric pharm party.
any need for pysche meds, booze or dope.
>
>I'm really pissed about my room over there, you know....
>--
You will love it. Now..tell me..do you want it on the north side of
>I'm really pissed about my room over there, you know....
>--
the hill so you get some shade..or on the south side where you get
sun?
HeyBub
Nov 8, 2012, 7:35:12 AM11/8/12
to
Existential Angst wrote:
>
> Now, this unit may not be for everyone, and here are some of the
> pro's/con's.
>
> Like virtually all "affordable" units, this thing will sound like a
> goddamm lawnmower -- don't listen to those bullshit decibel claims.
> A true automotive muffler might help (either replacing the original,
> or placed in series with the existing) can help a bit, but a
> sound-proofed enclosure box is a better (albeit more troublesome)
> solution. If you want an intrinsically quiiet unit, quiet will
> double, triple the price at a given wattage, eg, the Honda EU series.
> Or buy an Onan.... lol But actually, you can find them on craig's
> list, rel. cheap. Just have yer fork lift ready.....
The nice thing about the "quiet" gensets (Honda, et al) is that they enable
you to easily hear your neighbor's "not quiet" gensets.
>
> Now, this unit may not be for everyone, and here are some of the
> pro's/con's.
>
> Like virtually all "affordable" units, this thing will sound like a
> goddamm lawnmower -- don't listen to those bullshit decibel claims.
> A true automotive muffler might help (either replacing the original,
> or placed in series with the existing) can help a bit, but a
> sound-proofed enclosure box is a better (albeit more troublesome)
> solution. If you want an intrinsically quiiet unit, quiet will
> double, triple the price at a given wattage, eg, the Honda EU series.
> Or buy an Onan.... lol But actually, you can find them on craig's
> list, rel. cheap. Just have yer fork lift ready.....
The nice thing about the "quiet" gensets (Honda, et al) is that they enable
you to easily hear your neighbor's "not quiet" gensets.
tra...@optonline.net
Nov 8, 2012, 7:49:02 AM11/8/12
to
On Nov 7, 5:25 pm, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Gunner" <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Sports Authority, Staples and Steel Dynamics are
examples of what Bain Capital did. They didn't start
hostile takeovers, then have the company pay them
hundreds of millions to go away. They sought out
companies that wanted their help. Most of those
companies are successful and created hundreds of
thousands of real jobs.
Sure, in some cases,
to turn the companies around they had to lay off some
people or close some facilities. And a small number of
the companies could not be made successful.
To attack Bain is to attack the core of American capitalism
and business. But you and your commie pinko bed
wetter friends don't like any business, except those
taken over or run by the govt.
And I'll compare Bains track record to that of Obama's
success any day. Take a look at Solyndra and the long
list of other total failures. The list is at 50 now that are
either bankrupt or on the verge of it. And Obama and
his boys structured those deals so that best case,
if 100% of them
were successful, the taxpayers just didn't lose anything.
They could never make a profit on any of them that
would at least cover the cost of the ones that were losses.
In other words, they are one dumb bunch. And unlike
any losses at Bain, all Obama's losses are paid for
by us.
> "Gunner" <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:voml98hgqmvjf3va5...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:53:07 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> > <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >>What's so incomprehensible is that the people kissing his ass are the very
> >>people he has destroyed in his CorPirate predation. The working class
> >>voting for Romney is like a jew voting for Hitler.... an exact analogy.
>
> > Fascinating how fucked up your thought processes are.
>
> How so??
> Romney's Raiding eviscerated employment for thousands. In one transaction,
> recently cited, 25,000 jobs were outsourced..
>
>
What a lying sad sack of crap you and your ilk are.
> news:voml98hgqmvjf3va5...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:53:07 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> > <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >>What's so incomprehensible is that the people kissing his ass are the very
> >>people he has destroyed in his CorPirate predation. The working class
> >>voting for Romney is like a jew voting for Hitler.... an exact analogy.
>
> > Fascinating how fucked up your thought processes are.
>
> How so??
> Romney's Raiding eviscerated employment for thousands. In one transaction,
> recently cited, 25,000 jobs were outsourced..
>
>
Sports Authority, Staples and Steel Dynamics are
examples of what Bain Capital did. They didn't start
hostile takeovers, then have the company pay them
hundreds of millions to go away. They sought out
companies that wanted their help. Most of those
companies are successful and created hundreds of
thousands of real jobs.
Sure, in some cases,
to turn the companies around they had to lay off some
people or close some facilities. And a small number of
the companies could not be made successful.
To attack Bain is to attack the core of American capitalism
and business. But you and your commie pinko bed
wetter friends don't like any business, except those
taken over or run by the govt.
And I'll compare Bains track record to that of Obama's
success any day. Take a look at Solyndra and the long
list of other total failures. The list is at 50 now that are
either bankrupt or on the verge of it. And Obama and
his boys structured those deals so that best case,
if 100% of them
were successful, the taxpayers just didn't lose anything.
They could never make a profit on any of them that
would at least cover the cost of the ones that were losses.
In other words, they are one dumb bunch. And unlike
any losses at Bain, all Obama's losses are paid for
by us.
Gene
Nov 8, 2012, 8:58:20 AM11/8/12
to
"Robert Green" <robert_g...@yah00.com> wrote in message
news:k7feg7$5g1$1...@dont-email.me...
And the hilariously ironic aspect is that the fact check, by
http://www.ijreview.com, originates from a political conservative
site; their own kind are characterizing the quote as fraudulent.
news:k7feg7$5g1$1...@dont-email.me...
http://www.ijreview.com, originates from a political conservative
site; their own kind are characterizing the quote as fraudulent.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 8, 2012, 9:45:23 AM11/8/12
to
pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012
> 20:21:30 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >Gunner wrote:
> >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst" wrote:
> >> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see the
> >> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly still
> >> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
> >> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been mindfucked just
> >> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
> >> >
> >> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
> >>
> >> Im digging the hole this weekend.
> >
> > Remember, narrow, but very deep!
>
> 'Cause "deep down, they're good people"
Existential Angst
Nov 8, 2012, 10:38:26 AM11/8/12
to
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:09484a57-4d02-494f...@c20g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
=========================================
I have the Brooklyn Bridge for sale. Would you like to buy it?
You'll get the Trader4 discount: double the price.
You have zero understanding of economics, esp. predatory economics.
--
EA
news:09484a57-4d02-494f...@c20g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
I have the Brooklyn Bridge for sale. Would you like to buy it?
You'll get the Trader4 discount: double the price.
You have zero understanding of economics, esp. predatory economics.
--
EA
Existential Angst
Nov 8, 2012, 10:41:40 AM11/8/12
to
"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:wOGdndjGrKT_OwbN...@earthlink.com...
I was JUST emailing someone on that point!!
I just read somewhere -- on a generator website, iirc -- that some
home-moaner "associations" ban generators, no doubt for those reasons. As
the generator solution becomes more common, it's going to be like an
industrial war zone around here, during outages.... and QOL is already
near-zero.
--
EA
news:wOGdndjGrKT_OwbN...@earthlink.com...
I just read somewhere -- on a generator website, iirc -- that some
home-moaner "associations" ban generators, no doubt for those reasons. As
the generator solution becomes more common, it's going to be like an
industrial war zone around here, during outages.... and QOL is already
near-zero.
--
EA
Existential Angst
Nov 8, 2012, 10:43:55 AM11/8/12
to
"Gene" <gene....@home.com> wrote in message
news:k7gdps$41a$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
--
EA
Gene
Nov 8, 2012, 10:50:10 AM11/8/12
to
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:vJGdnewVuJDlWAbN...@earthlink.com...
A simple six feet suffices.
news:vJGdnewVuJDlWAbN...@earthlink.com...
Gene
Nov 8, 2012, 10:50:10 AM11/8/12
to
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:vJGdnewVuJDlWAbN...@earthlink.com...
>
news:vJGdnewVuJDlWAbN...@earthlink.com...
>
Gene
Nov 8, 2012, 10:53:30 AM11/8/12
to
"Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:509bd352$0$1238$607e...@cv.net...
Yes, you undeniably are, and being moronic adds
an even worse element.
> the pot calling the kettle black.
> --
> EA
As with paranoia, jealously obviously runs quite deep.
news:509bd352$0$1238$607e...@cv.net...
an even worse element.
> the pot calling the kettle black.
> --
> EA
Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)
Nov 8, 2012, 2:13:42 PM11/8/12
to
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:02:48 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Holy shit, I think he was.... but for the wrong reasons, of course. He
>was bitching about tripping over extension cords and fires or some other
>dumb shit (regarding car inverters), whereas the problems are really more
>fundamental.
>
>So this protracted wrangling of mine, over car/battery inverters vs. trad'l
>gensets, has been solved:
> I ordered BOTH.... LOL
>But the "real working solution" seems to be a genset, in this case a
>tri-fuel.
>
>The inverter thing *could* work, but from other recent threads, it seems
>that this strat just turns into a bear.
>I did order two inverters (1500 and 2500 W cobras) to experiment with, but
>not nec. for house power -- altho when I set it up, I'll screw around with
>that as well.
The inverters will work, but to do that part right you really need a
SERIOUS battery bank at home. Call the battery distributors in your
area, ideally you get 6 large Tank Cells in series, 200AH is easy, you
can find 4,000AH if you search a little. All you need is a make or
buy a rack to keep them off the floor, and from falling over in an
earthquake.
And there's the serious quantity of battery power to run your inverter
in the evening for the little stuff that must have 120V like the TV
and a few selected small appliances.
And as many of those as you can should run direct off the 12V battery
string - Lights and a fan to stir the heat from the Wood Stove or
Gravity Wall Furnace are easy. You can get TV sets meant for
Motorhomes that have a 12V input also.
Oh, and the 12V batteries can run a High Water Alarm for the basement,
a High Temp alarm for the freezer and refrigerator, or a Freeze Alarm
for the house and garage, in case you have to get up and crank the
generator for a while.
Then you run the generator a few times during the day and charge the
big deep-cycle batteries back up, run the refrigerator, microwave,
coffeepot, freezer, furnace and well pump.
>What I finally did was order one of these:
>http://www.generatorsales.com/order/Honda-16kw-Propane-Generator.asp?page=H04599
>and one of these:
>http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=EXH40001_0306020503
>
>so's I can run the unit inside.
You can run the generator inside, for certain quantities of
"inside"...
I would STRONGLY suggest you build a separate "Generator Room" off
the side of the house and near the Main Power Panel that is sealed
from the inside of the house - No chance of a fire or CO getting
through.
Drywalled on the inside as a firestop, large vent grilles low and high
(or through the roof) for natural ventilation at all times - put a
turbine ventilator on the stack and let the breeze help. Get a 120V
attic exhaust fan on the outlet to get positive airflow when the
generator is running.
Connect your flex exhaust tubing up to a 3" B-Vent riser and roof jack
to get the exhaust out up high, anyone looking from the street will
think 'heater' not 'generator'.
>The unit I ordered is actually a tri-fuel, but it has no gas tank, but can
>siphon from any container, which is pretty neat.
You can put that gas tank on the outside, or in a separated room
sealed from the generator so the fumes can't get through, where you
can refuel with it running.
Don't even THINK of burying the fuel tank. I'd get a double-wall
above-ground tank and put it outside the room - something like the
double-wall McMaster 3696K71 if you want to be paranoid, or the
37415K55 single-wall if you want to build a dike containment pan to
sit it in. But a large Propane tank is much easier to pull off.
>The total bill is $3K, MUCH more than I wanted to spend (PLUS my stolen $1K
>BlackMax -- goodgawd), but bottom line, this Sandy thing just spooked me big
>time, PLUS this being the 3rd major weather event around here in 1.5 years.
>I've lucked out in all three, but that's all it was, luck.
make it a lot harder to steal, too.
>Tri-fuel, imo, is Da Bomb, makes the unit very versatile, I can throw it on
>m'truck anytime, for whatever -- not for camping, tho, too noisy, unless you
>build a really good box. Car inverters would proly be better for camping,
>it would seem.
>But for long outages, natural gas is *by far* the best way to go, followed
>by propane, then gasoline.
That's a bit big to "throw" on the truck - far better to build it in,
and get another truly portable one.
>15 kW is proly more than most people need, but I have sizable sq ft and a
>shop, so I figgered I might as well just take the plunge.
>
>Vic Smith is very right about the cost/benefit/probability considerations,
>and no doubt I "overpaid" in this regard, but I really got spooked this
>time, and the utilities are telling people, flat out, they're not getting
>power 'til Nov 15...... at best.
>Holy shit.... Dat easily coulda been me. My rich fuckhead neighbors
>(bunches of them) were without power for a full week. The MAYOR is without
>power, in a city of 200,000++ ... !!!!
>I believe that like the Halloween snow storm, some people will be without
>power for a month.
>You would not, without some kind of custom adatper, be able to install that
>flex hose above, whereas on the unit I ordered, it (theoretically) clamps
>right on the muffler flange.
If it was mine, I'd look at a steel Camlock fitting - you can make an
adapter on the tailpipe of the generator for a male Camlock, then a
Female with a hose barb to go into the steel flex tubing. A little
High Temp Silicone to replace the Buna gaskets, and it should be good
to go.
Or just give up and make a semi-permanent adapter.
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Holy shit, I think he was.... but for the wrong reasons, of course. He
>was bitching about tripping over extension cords and fires or some other
>dumb shit (regarding car inverters), whereas the problems are really more
>fundamental.
>
>So this protracted wrangling of mine, over car/battery inverters vs. trad'l
>gensets, has been solved:
> I ordered BOTH.... LOL
>But the "real working solution" seems to be a genset, in this case a
>tri-fuel.
>
>The inverter thing *could* work, but from other recent threads, it seems
>that this strat just turns into a bear.
>I did order two inverters (1500 and 2500 W cobras) to experiment with, but
>not nec. for house power -- altho when I set it up, I'll screw around with
>that as well.
The inverters will work, but to do that part right you really need a
SERIOUS battery bank at home. Call the battery distributors in your
area, ideally you get 6 large Tank Cells in series, 200AH is easy, you
can find 4,000AH if you search a little. All you need is a make or
buy a rack to keep them off the floor, and from falling over in an
earthquake.
And there's the serious quantity of battery power to run your inverter
in the evening for the little stuff that must have 120V like the TV
and a few selected small appliances.
And as many of those as you can should run direct off the 12V battery
string - Lights and a fan to stir the heat from the Wood Stove or
Gravity Wall Furnace are easy. You can get TV sets meant for
Motorhomes that have a 12V input also.
Oh, and the 12V batteries can run a High Water Alarm for the basement,
a High Temp alarm for the freezer and refrigerator, or a Freeze Alarm
for the house and garage, in case you have to get up and crank the
generator for a while.
Then you run the generator a few times during the day and charge the
big deep-cycle batteries back up, run the refrigerator, microwave,
coffeepot, freezer, furnace and well pump.
>What I finally did was order one of these:
>http://www.generatorsales.com/order/Honda-16kw-Propane-Generator.asp?page=H04599
>and one of these:
>http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=EXH40001_0306020503
>
>so's I can run the unit inside.
You can run the generator inside, for certain quantities of
"inside"...
I would STRONGLY suggest you build a separate "Generator Room" off
the side of the house and near the Main Power Panel that is sealed
from the inside of the house - No chance of a fire or CO getting
through.
Drywalled on the inside as a firestop, large vent grilles low and high
(or through the roof) for natural ventilation at all times - put a
turbine ventilator on the stack and let the breeze help. Get a 120V
attic exhaust fan on the outlet to get positive airflow when the
generator is running.
Connect your flex exhaust tubing up to a 3" B-Vent riser and roof jack
to get the exhaust out up high, anyone looking from the street will
think 'heater' not 'generator'.
>The unit I ordered is actually a tri-fuel, but it has no gas tank, but can
>siphon from any container, which is pretty neat.
You can put that gas tank on the outside, or in a separated room
sealed from the generator so the fumes can't get through, where you
can refuel with it running.
Don't even THINK of burying the fuel tank. I'd get a double-wall
above-ground tank and put it outside the room - something like the
double-wall McMaster 3696K71 if you want to be paranoid, or the
37415K55 single-wall if you want to build a dike containment pan to
sit it in. But a large Propane tank is much easier to pull off.
>The total bill is $3K, MUCH more than I wanted to spend (PLUS my stolen $1K
>BlackMax -- goodgawd), but bottom line, this Sandy thing just spooked me big
>time, PLUS this being the 3rd major weather event around here in 1.5 years.
>I've lucked out in all three, but that's all it was, luck.
>
>Now, this unit may not be for everyone, and here are some of the
>pro's/con's.
>
>Like virtually all "affordable" units, this thing will sound like a goddamm
>lawnmower -- don't listen to those bullshit decibel claims.
>A true automotive muffler might help (either replacing the original, or
>placed in series with the existing) can help a bit, but a sound-proofed
>enclosure box is a better (albeit more troublesome) solution. If you want
>an intrinsically quiiet unit, quiet will double, triple the price at a given
>wattage, eg, the Honda EU series.
Build a little room for it, then sound is not an issue. And it'll
>Now, this unit may not be for everyone, and here are some of the
>pro's/con's.
>
>Like virtually all "affordable" units, this thing will sound like a goddamm
>lawnmower -- don't listen to those bullshit decibel claims.
>A true automotive muffler might help (either replacing the original, or
>placed in series with the existing) can help a bit, but a sound-proofed
>enclosure box is a better (albeit more troublesome) solution. If you want
>an intrinsically quiiet unit, quiet will double, triple the price at a given
>wattage, eg, the Honda EU series.
make it a lot harder to steal, too.
>Tri-fuel, imo, is Da Bomb, makes the unit very versatile, I can throw it on
>m'truck anytime, for whatever -- not for camping, tho, too noisy, unless you
>build a really good box. Car inverters would proly be better for camping,
>it would seem.
>But for long outages, natural gas is *by far* the best way to go, followed
>by propane, then gasoline.
That's a bit big to "throw" on the truck - far better to build it in,
and get another truly portable one.
>15 kW is proly more than most people need, but I have sizable sq ft and a
>shop, so I figgered I might as well just take the plunge.
>
>Vic Smith is very right about the cost/benefit/probability considerations,
>and no doubt I "overpaid" in this regard, but I really got spooked this
>time, and the utilities are telling people, flat out, they're not getting
>power 'til Nov 15...... at best.
>Holy shit.... Dat easily coulda been me. My rich fuckhead neighbors
>(bunches of them) were without power for a full week. The MAYOR is without
>power, in a city of 200,000++ ... !!!!
>I believe that like the Halloween snow storm, some people will be without
>power for a month.
>You would not, without some kind of custom adatper, be able to install that
>flex hose above, whereas on the unit I ordered, it (theoretically) clamps
>right on the muffler flange.
If it was mine, I'd look at a steel Camlock fitting - you can make an
adapter on the tailpipe of the generator for a male Camlock, then a
Female with a hose barb to go into the steel flex tubing. A little
High Temp Silicone to replace the Buna gaskets, and it should be good
to go.
Or just give up and make a semi-permanent adapter.
tra...@optonline.net
Nov 8, 2012, 3:36:54 PM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 10:38 am, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> <trad...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> EA- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have an excellent grounding in economics and the degree
to prove it. Your version of economics is limited to what
you have learned from the usual commie, pinko bed wetter
sources. You've most likely never taken a course in say
microeconomics. So, presented with the irrefutable truth,
about Bain, eg Staples, Sports Authority, Steel Dynamics,
etc, you turn to the usual lib lies.
But then you do apparently prefer to learn the hard way,
as proven by your screwing around with batteries, inverters,
generators, and God knows what else. Me, I had lights and
heat the whole time.
> <trad...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have an excellent grounding in economics and the degree
to prove it. Your version of economics is limited to what
you have learned from the usual commie, pinko bed wetter
sources. You've most likely never taken a course in say
microeconomics. So, presented with the irrefutable truth,
about Bain, eg Staples, Sports Authority, Steel Dynamics,
etc, you turn to the usual lib lies.
But then you do apparently prefer to learn the hard way,
as proven by your screwing around with batteries, inverters,
generators, and God knows what else. Me, I had lights and
heat the whole time.
Existential Angst
Nov 8, 2012, 3:45:05 PM11/8/12
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"Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)"
<bruceNOSP...@gmail.INVALID> wrote in message
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I'm fooling around with an inverter/battery setup now, in m'truck, a big
marine battery, 115 Ahr.
Not the easiest thing to make seamless. Inverters seem to be a bit quirky,
and altho charging it from the car is not rocket science, it's still dicey
to implement -- simply running wires from the engine compartment to the
passenger cabin is a pita. And apparently this charging stuff sends too
much current for the ciggie lighter.... no breaks, no breaks.
WHERE to put the marine battery, or even more importantly, where to charge
it, is an issue as well.
No free lunch, apparently..... not even a cheap lunch.
The battery bank thing is proly more for solar people, part of an ongoing
operating functioning system.
For me, for these sporadic (but traumatic) events, I'll then be stuck
"tending" and charging these huge battery banks *forever*. Not to mention,
proly not cheap, either.
The genset seems to be the more practical compromise, in this case. And not
cheap either.
As far as the genset install goes, I'll be very careful about the
inside-install, with CO monitors up the ass. I'm not against outside, and
may just keep it inside for monthly testing, and hump it outside for a real
outage. No big biggie.
One thing, either inside or outside, I'll shut it down for the night, in any
prolonged outage. Whether inside or outside, I'll be building a sound box
for it. I hope my effing neighbors do the same.... but I doubt they will.
I plan on storing gasoline, but not for the genset (which is nat. gas), just
to avert another gas shortage at the pumps. I'm thinking a 55 gal drum (or
two) or just stack a bunch of 5 gal pails with pour-lids.
It's all a pita, esp if it is true that gas really goes bad. I'll have to
look into stabilizers/antioxidants for long-term storage, so I don't have
the headache of cycling the stuff every 6 mos or so.
It's, like, a part-time job being a prepper!! LOL
--
EA
<bruceNOSP...@gmail.INVALID> wrote in message
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marine battery, 115 Ahr.
Not the easiest thing to make seamless. Inverters seem to be a bit quirky,
and altho charging it from the car is not rocket science, it's still dicey
to implement -- simply running wires from the engine compartment to the
passenger cabin is a pita. And apparently this charging stuff sends too
much current for the ciggie lighter.... no breaks, no breaks.
WHERE to put the marine battery, or even more importantly, where to charge
it, is an issue as well.
No free lunch, apparently..... not even a cheap lunch.
The battery bank thing is proly more for solar people, part of an ongoing
operating functioning system.
For me, for these sporadic (but traumatic) events, I'll then be stuck
"tending" and charging these huge battery banks *forever*. Not to mention,
proly not cheap, either.
The genset seems to be the more practical compromise, in this case. And not
cheap either.
As far as the genset install goes, I'll be very careful about the
inside-install, with CO monitors up the ass. I'm not against outside, and
may just keep it inside for monthly testing, and hump it outside for a real
outage. No big biggie.
One thing, either inside or outside, I'll shut it down for the night, in any
prolonged outage. Whether inside or outside, I'll be building a sound box
for it. I hope my effing neighbors do the same.... but I doubt they will.
I plan on storing gasoline, but not for the genset (which is nat. gas), just
to avert another gas shortage at the pumps. I'm thinking a 55 gal drum (or
two) or just stack a bunch of 5 gal pails with pour-lids.
It's all a pita, esp if it is true that gas really goes bad. I'll have to
look into stabilizers/antioxidants for long-term storage, so I don't have
the headache of cycling the stuff every 6 mos or so.
It's, like, a part-time job being a prepper!! LOL
--
EA
Existential Angst
Nov 8, 2012, 3:50:46 PM11/8/12
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<tra...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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=================================================
Does you alma mater offer refunds? I could supply you with a supporting
letter....
Your version of economics is limited to what
you have learned from the usual commie, pinko bed wetter
sources. You've most likely never taken a course in say
microeconomics.
=============================================
Would you like to discuss the Nash equilibrium? Keynesianomics?
Or Greenspan's But.... but.... but.... I thought the market would
regulate ITSELF???
So, presented with the irrefutable truth,
about Bain, eg Staples, Sports Authority, Steel Dynamics,
etc, you turn to the usual lib lies.
=======================================
Irrefutable, eh??
But then you do apparently prefer to learn the hard way,
as proven by your screwing around with batteries, inverters,
generators, and God knows what else. Me, I had lights and
heat the whole time.
=============================================
So did I, fortuitous as it was.
I experiment, you deliver edicts.... and incorreck ones, at that.
Let me know how that university refund goes. Really, I'll pitch for you.
But proly, all's you'll have to do is show them your history of posting, and
they'll refund you right away.
--
EA
news:26090933-270a-445c...@d17g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
Does you alma mater offer refunds? I could supply you with a supporting
letter....
Your version of economics is limited to what
you have learned from the usual commie, pinko bed wetter
sources. You've most likely never taken a course in say
microeconomics.
Would you like to discuss the Nash equilibrium? Keynesianomics?
Or Greenspan's But.... but.... but.... I thought the market would
regulate ITSELF???
So, presented with the irrefutable truth,
about Bain, eg Staples, Sports Authority, Steel Dynamics,
etc, you turn to the usual lib lies.
Irrefutable, eh??
But then you do apparently prefer to learn the hard way,
as proven by your screwing around with batteries, inverters,
generators, and God knows what else. Me, I had lights and
heat the whole time.
So did I, fortuitous as it was.
I experiment, you deliver edicts.... and incorreck ones, at that.
Let me know how that university refund goes. Really, I'll pitch for you.
But proly, all's you'll have to do is show them your history of posting, and
they'll refund you right away.
--
EA
Gunner
Nov 8, 2012, 3:59:49 PM11/8/12
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:50:10 -0600, "Gene" <gene....@home.com>
--
""The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have
to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That�s why I
became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don�t have
a clue as to political reality.
What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
workers and convince them that they should support social programs
that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
want.
wrote:
>"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:vJGdnewVuJDlWAbN...@earthlink.com...
>>
>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>
>>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012
>>> 20:21:30 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>> >Gunner wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst" wrote:
>>> >> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see
>>> >> >the
>>> >> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly
>>> >> >still
>>> >> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
>>> >> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been
>>> >> >mindfucked just
>>> >> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
>>> >>
>>> >> Im digging the hole this weekend.
>>> >
>>> > Remember, narrow, but very deep!
>>>
>>> 'Cause "deep down, they're good people"
>>
>> But not till it's over 40' deep.
>
>A simple six feet suffices.
>
And Lime is a sound deadner
>"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:vJGdnewVuJDlWAbN...@earthlink.com...
>>
>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>
>>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012
>>> 20:21:30 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>> >Gunner wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst" wrote:
>>> >> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see
>>> >> >the
>>> >> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly
>>> >> >still
>>> >> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
>>> >> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been
>>> >> >mindfucked just
>>> >> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
>>> >>
>>> >> Im digging the hole this weekend.
>>> >
>>> > Remember, narrow, but very deep!
>>>
>>> 'Cause "deep down, they're good people"
>>
>> But not till it's over 40' deep.
>
>A simple six feet suffices.
>
--
""The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have
to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That�s why I
became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don�t have
a clue as to political reality.
What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
workers and convince them that they should support social programs
that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
want.
Gunner
Nov 8, 2012, 4:42:58 PM11/8/12
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Gunner
HeyBub
Nov 8, 2012, 8:01:58 PM11/8/12
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tra...@optonline.net wrote:
>
> I have an excellent grounding in economics and the degree
> to prove it. Your version of economics is limited to what
> you have learned from the usual commie, pinko bed wetter
> sources. You've most likely never taken a course in say
> microeconomics. So, presented with the irrefutable truth,
> about Bain, eg Staples, Sports Authority, Steel Dynamics,
> etc, you turn to the usual lib lies.
>
Heh! I saw a TV anchor discussing the budget with a Republican congressman.
>
> I have an excellent grounding in economics and the degree
> to prove it. Your version of economics is limited to what
> you have learned from the usual commie, pinko bed wetter
> sources. You've most likely never taken a course in say
> microeconomics. So, presented with the irrefutable truth,
> about Bain, eg Staples, Sports Authority, Steel Dynamics,
> etc, you turn to the usual lib lies.
>
He made a point, then another point, then another, all clearly refuting the
propositions of the anchor. Finally, she says:
"What makes you such an expert on economics? You'd think you had a degree in
it or something!"
His response: "I do. Two degrees. With highest honors. You?"
"(silence)"
I recall a poster on another newsgroup responding to something Charles
Krauthammer said:
"What the fuck does a TV commentator know about economics or the mental
process to lead some, according to him, to a flawed reasoning?"
Of course I had to throw in:
McGill University, BA Economics, Summa cum Laude
Balliol College, Oxford, Commonwealth Scholar in Politics
Harvard Medical School
Residency in Psychiatry, Massachusetts General Hospital
Board Certified in Psychiatry by the American Board of Psychiatry and
Neurology
Existential Angst
Nov 8, 2012, 9:02:21 PM11/8/12
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"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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1. Alan Greenspan -- credentialed enough ferya?? Quote, on Charlie Rose:
But.... but.... but.... but..... but..... I THOUGHT the market
would regulate ITSELF!!!!!
Greenspan was part and parcel of the meltdown. Dat muthafucka shoulda stuck
to playing his effing clarinet.... or some skin flute.
2. John C Merton, Nobel Laureate in economics. With his 18" economic
dick, started his own hedge fund..... went bankrupt
3. Myron Scholes, Nobelier in eco, of Black-Scholes options pricing formula
fame. With his 36" economic dick, he started his own hedge fund, went belly
up.
4. James D. Watson, Nobel Prize, stole it from Linus Pauling, has been an
administrating asshole in Longyland ever since.
5. Pons & Fleishman, Cold Fusion.... need I say more...
6. The Bogdanov Brothers, Theoretical Physicists, tried to hustle the
physics world, until people realized these guys didn't know classical
mechanics. A number of theoretical physicists still believe their bullshit.
Need I continue? Oh, allow me...
7. Trader4, compulsive posting asshole on alt.home.repair, degreed in
economics..... WOW!!! I'll make sure to ask HIM for investment advice and
economic prognostication.
Oh, if you want links to all this, I'll see what I can dig up. Most of it
is readily googlible.
Next.....
You can have all the degrees in the world, but I'll take one good
investigative journalist over all those formula-driven assholes:
http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-04-18/news/Mitt-Romney-american-parasite/
Read it, then tell me the tremendous good fukn Romney did for the working
class.
Oh, yeah, Village Voice, leftist commie lib rag, right? Got its fair share
of Pulitzer prizes, donchaknow.... renowned for its political analysis,
investigative journalism.
Also, from *first economic principles*, you can deduce Romney's destruction,
without even knowing the specific details, just like from the laws of
thermodynamics, you can a priori deduce that perpetual motions are bullshit.
Some things are simply aciomatic.... IF you know the axioms, the underlying
proofs.
Trader4 not only doesn't know the fundamental principles (which explain why
the Bain business model is *necessarily predatory*), he filters his
information to suit his own narcissistic agendas, no diff. than Limbaugh.
You want to follow someone degreed in economics that DOES know what they're
talking about? Follow Joseph Stiglitz, also a Nobelier. He did NOT start a
hedge fund.... He wasn't stupid enough to think the market would regulate
itself.
Also realize that economics no longer follows the old traditional
mathematical models. Economics is now almost all Game Theory. If you don't
know game theory, you should just STFU about economics.
Game theory is, in essence, poker playing, with various sleights-of-hand to
give one muthafucka an advantage over the other. Game Theory is the
mathematics of delivering a good ass-fucking. It is, in part, the theory of
information hoarding, cheating, brinksmanship, bluffing, and to some extent,
bullshitting.... which might could make Trader4 a good economist, but even
good bullshitters need at least an average IQ.
--
EA
>
>
Existential Angst
Nov 8, 2012, 9:40:09 PM11/8/12
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"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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--
EA
HeyBub
Nov 8, 2012, 9:49:50 PM11/8/12
to
My post was meant to illustrate that the snappy accusation can often
backfire.
It's easy, in rhetoric, to pull out the chestnut of "Appeal to Authority." I
wasn't doing that. My observation was the opposite, that the "Appeal to
Non-Authority" often fails.
Gunner
Nov 9, 2012, 5:29:56 AM11/9/12
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 21:40:09 -0500, "Existential Angst"
No...its seldom good posts from you. Which is why I congratulated you
on the rare one. Stick to hardware. You are a dunce politically.
Gunner.
on the rare one. Stick to hardware. You are a dunce politically.
Gunner.
tra...@optonline.net
Nov 9, 2012, 5:59:03 AM11/9/12
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On Nov 8, 3:45 pm, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)"<bruceNOSPAMberg...@gmail.INVALID> wrote in message
> >>http://www.generatorsales.com/order/Honda-16kw-Propane-Generator.asp?...
> >>and one of these:
> >>http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=EXH40001_0...
This from the clown who a month ago was advocating a
battery farm and multiple inverters in a garage, charged
from a car, with extension cords running to various loads
in the house as an effective back-up power solution....
Some just have to learn the hard way.
> And apparently this charging stuff sends too
> much current for the ciggie lighter.... no breaks, no breaks.
Wow, you really think so? Imagine that. The cigarette
lighter wasn't designed as a means to connect the car
alternator to a car battery.
>
> WHERE to put the marine battery, or even more importantly, where to charge
> it, is an issue as well.
> No free lunch, apparently..... not even a cheap lunch.
Some have to learn the hard way. Keep in mind this is
one of the big libs here. His approach to what he thought
he knew about inverters, versus what I told him over a
month ago, is instructive. This is the libs approach to the
economy and ruining the country too. Take some kooky
ideas that fly in the face of reality and refuse to listen to
those that know better.
>
> The battery bank thing is proly more for solar people, part of an ongoing
> operating functioning system.
Wrong yet again. Very few solar energy systems use
batteries. Pretty much limited to those that are strictly
off the grid.
> For me, for these sporadic (but traumatic) events, I'll then be stuck
> "tending" and charging these huge battery banks *forever*. Not to mention,
> proly not cheap, either.
No shit Sherlock. That is PRECISELY one of the points I
told you over a month ago. But you prefer to learn the hard
way.
> The genset seems to be the more practical compromise, in this case. And not
> cheap either.
No shit Sherlock. Again, exactly what I told you monts ago.
But then I have had lights and heat the whole time here in NJ,
while you're still contemplating your navel in the dark.
>
> As far as the genset install goes, I'll be very careful about the
> inside-install, with CO monitors up the ass. I'm not against outside, and
> may just keep it inside for monthly testing, and hump it outside for a real
> outage. No big biggie.
Given your knowledge base and unwillingness to listen,
it will undoubtly be a biggie. I suggest you start with a visit to
your local code officials.
> One thing, either inside or outside, I'll shut it down for the night, in any
> prolonged outage. Whether inside or outside, I'll be building a sound box
> for it. I hope my effing neighbors do the same.... but I doubt they will.
If I were your neighbor, I'd put you in that box.
>
> I plan on storing gasoline, but not for the genset (which is nat. gas), just
> to avert another gas shortage at the pumps. I'm thinking a 55 gal drum (or
> two) or just stack a bunch of 5 gal pails with pour-lids.
> It's all a pita, esp if it is true that gas really goes bad. I'll have to
> look into stabilizers/antioxidants for long-term storage, so I don't have
> the headache of cycling the stuff every 6 mos or so.
>
> It's, like, a part-time job being a prepper!! LOL
> --
to a fuel depot. I suggest you have a chat with the code officials
about that too while you're there sharing your plans for the
indoor generator.
> "Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)"<bruceNOSPAMberg...@gmail.INVALID> wrote in message
> >>and one of these:
> >>http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=EXH40001_0...
battery farm and multiple inverters in a garage, charged
from a car, with extension cords running to various loads
in the house as an effective back-up power solution....
Some just have to learn the hard way.
> And apparently this charging stuff sends too
> much current for the ciggie lighter.... no breaks, no breaks.
lighter wasn't designed as a means to connect the car
alternator to a car battery.
>
> WHERE to put the marine battery, or even more importantly, where to charge
> it, is an issue as well.
> No free lunch, apparently..... not even a cheap lunch.
one of the big libs here. His approach to what he thought
he knew about inverters, versus what I told him over a
month ago, is instructive. This is the libs approach to the
economy and ruining the country too. Take some kooky
ideas that fly in the face of reality and refuse to listen to
those that know better.
>
> The battery bank thing is proly more for solar people, part of an ongoing
> operating functioning system.
batteries. Pretty much limited to those that are strictly
off the grid.
> For me, for these sporadic (but traumatic) events, I'll then be stuck
> "tending" and charging these huge battery banks *forever*. Not to mention,
> proly not cheap, either.
told you over a month ago. But you prefer to learn the hard
way.
> The genset seems to be the more practical compromise, in this case. And not
> cheap either.
But then I have had lights and heat the whole time here in NJ,
while you're still contemplating your navel in the dark.
>
> As far as the genset install goes, I'll be very careful about the
> inside-install, with CO monitors up the ass. I'm not against outside, and
> may just keep it inside for monthly testing, and hump it outside for a real
> outage. No big biggie.
it will undoubtly be a biggie. I suggest you start with a visit to
your local code officials.
> One thing, either inside or outside, I'll shut it down for the night, in any
> prolonged outage. Whether inside or outside, I'll be building a sound box
> for it. I hope my effing neighbors do the same.... but I doubt they will.
>
> I plan on storing gasoline, but not for the genset (which is nat. gas), just
> to avert another gas shortage at the pumps. I'm thinking a 55 gal drum (or
> two) or just stack a bunch of 5 gal pails with pour-lids.
> It's all a pita, esp if it is true that gas really goes bad. I'll have to
> look into stabilizers/antioxidants for long-term storage, so I don't have
> the headache of cycling the stuff every 6 mos or so.
>
> It's, like, a part-time job being a prepper!! LOL
> --
> EA- Hide quoted text -
>
Now the maroon has gone from a battery farm in the garage
>
to a fuel depot. I suggest you have a chat with the code officials
about that too while you're there sharing your plans for the
indoor generator.
Existential Angst
Nov 9, 2012, 6:41:23 AM11/9/12
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and I concurred with the +1....
You mean, it was actually directed at MOI???
Golly gee, Moi is blushing!!!
Perhaps you are preparing only a shallow grave??
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Existential Angst
Nov 9, 2012, 6:43:44 AM11/9/12
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PLease be quiet..... adults were talking.....
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PLease be quiet..... adults were talking.....
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Gunner
Nov 9, 2012, 7:05:52 AM11/9/12
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:43:44 -0500, "Existential Angst"
Indeed they are. Unfortunately you keep trying to get in on the
conversation. And its way past your bed time.
Gunner
conversation. And its way past your bed time.
Gunner
Gunner
Nov 9, 2012, 7:07:41 AM11/9/12
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:41:23 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>If it was mine, I'd look at a steel Camlock fitting - you can make an
>>>>>adapter on the tailpipe of the generator for a male Camlock, then a
>>>>>Female with a hose barb to go into the steel flex tubing. A little
>>>>>High Temp Silicone to replace the Buna gaskets, and it should be good
>>>>>to go.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or just give up and make a semi-permanent adapter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good post!
>>>
>>>Always +1. Some of the other assholes around here should take note.
>>
>>
>> No...its seldom good posts from you. Which is why I congratulated you
>> on the rare one. Stick to hardware. You are a dunce politically.
>
>Since you responded to Bruce, I thought the comment was directed at Bruce,
>and I concurred with the +1....
It was directed at Bruce. I congratulated you on recognizing it.
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>If it was mine, I'd look at a steel Camlock fitting - you can make an
>>>>>adapter on the tailpipe of the generator for a male Camlock, then a
>>>>>Female with a hose barb to go into the steel flex tubing. A little
>>>>>High Temp Silicone to replace the Buna gaskets, and it should be good
>>>>>to go.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or just give up and make a semi-permanent adapter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good post!
>>>
>>>Always +1. Some of the other assholes around here should take note.
>>
>>
>> No...its seldom good posts from you. Which is why I congratulated you
>> on the rare one. Stick to hardware. You are a dunce politically.
>
>Since you responded to Bruce, I thought the comment was directed at Bruce,
>and I concurred with the +1....
>You mean, it was actually directed at MOI???
>Golly gee, Moi is blushing!!!
>Perhaps you are preparing only a shallow grave??
>--
>EA
Gunner
Existential Angst
Nov 9, 2012, 8:02:53 AM11/9/12
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> My post was meant to illustrate that the snappy accusation can often
> backfire.
And I showed that the credentials themselves can often backfire.... LOL
>
> It's easy, in rhetoric, to pull out the chestnut of "Appeal to Authority."
> I wasn't doing that. My observation was the opposite, that the "Appeal to
> Non-Authority" often fails.
Consider his economics degree, and declaration thereof, that his economics
degree makes him better qualified to evaluate Bain than anyone without an
economics degree.
Well, right away, you know this asshole is fullashit, because just WTF do
you need to know about Bain, escept how to fucking COUNT????
Bain created a few no-show jobs for their investors/friends (say 10), and
cost 25,000 jobs.
Hmmm, lessee, that's a net loss of 24,990 jobs.... See?? No economics
required!!
In point of fact, the ONLY skills necessary to unveil the economic carnage
of the Bain's of the world are 1. some forensic accounting skills, and 2.
Investigative reporting skills, one of which I cited.
The REAL problem is finding the REAL data.... but, as you will see below,
you don't even need data if you understand the theory.
But, putting theory aside for a moment.....
Just what kind of economic theory do you need to understand 1. leveraged
buyouts, 2. finagling crushing new loan obligations, and 3. Then running
off with the loan money, making instantaneous hundreds of millions for the
investors, while leaving the company crushed with the debt?? (Ergo the
article American Parasite.)
Dats accounting, not economics.
Now, having said that, here's where economic theory MIGHT shed some light on
WHY the Bain's of the world are a priori *necessarily* predatory and
destructive.
The fundamental reason is almost thermodynamic in nature. In thermodynamics
(and, btw, I mentioned the Black-Scholes option pricing formula earlier,
where the asshole Scholes went belly up in his hedge fund. Black, on the
other hand, was a physicist/thermodynamicist and the Black-Scholes formula
is actually *derived* from statistical thermodynamics.... but I'll bet
Trader4 already knew that.... right....), you can argue *a priori* and with
*absolute certainty* that any process that does not follow the prescribe
thermodynamic process *automatically* results in reduced efficiency --
regardless of what system you are considering. OK....
In bidniss, there is a similar notion reflected in the concept of an
"efficient market", which has not much to do with "efficiency" in the normal
bang-for-the-buck sense, but rather the equilibrium, the "dust-settling" of
entrants and players in a given sector of bidniss.
In a nutshell, an "efficient market" is one where the market becomes
"saturated" in the sense that all players are making a similar ROI or
%-net-after-expenses (which turns out to be on the order of 8-10%, according
to Harvard Bidniss Review), and that "pool" of players (and ROI rate) will
remain stable, because if the return rises, more players will enter the game
causing the rate to fall, and if that return falls, more players will leave
the game (or business sector), allowing the rate to rise.
Ergo, an inherent stability to the system.
THEN, along comes Bain, seeking not 8% return, or 10% return (per year,
which keeps everyone happy, employed, and CEOs well-compensated), but 8,000
% and 10,000%.... iow, Bain wants a fucking KILLING, and a super-quick
killing.
Well, how do you make a killing? Easy....
You destroy the equilibrium of the system.
In the case of predatory corpirate raiding, you destroy the business, the
jobs, any economic "quality of life", sending the company -- or what's left
of it -- into a scrambling tailspin, crushed by the debt left by the
investor/pirates -- who basically ran off with the money.
It's as if you refi'd yer house, took out an add'l $100K for repairs, new
kitchen, etc, but someone else cashed the check. Now YOU are stuck with a
whopping refi'd mortgage, and nothing to show for it. Bain in action. .
The thermodynamic equivalence is this:
Thermodynamics may say that a quasi-static process can produce only so much
power..... say, 10 hp in a steady state, with a corresponding efficiency,
say, 50 mpg's.
Does that mean you can't have more than 10 hp? Of course not. You could
get 500 hp out of that same system.... but now, the price you pay is
instead of 50 mpg's, now you get 0.5 mpg's.... you have essentially
squandered the entire notion of efficiency (or tank of fuel) for a quick
blast of horsepower. OK for dragsters, I spose, but not for commuting
Corollas.
DAT is the nitty-gritty of the Bain system, in basic scientific terms,
pardoning the thermodynamic metaphor, but really an apt metaphor.
Now, you can also analyze Bain very complicatedly with game theory, or all
kinds of other theories, some of which you'll find here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory#Economics_and_business
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics
Basically you choose yer pet model/fav game theory (mine is the Nash
equilibrium Prisoners Dilemma), and hammer data'n'shit until it fits yer
chosen model -- which sort of makes economics the junkiest of sciences, but
disguised with sophisticated math -- iow, tailor-made for the Trader4s of
the world, ceptin Trader don't know no math.
In fact, the very first sentence in the last article calls economics a
"social science".... at which I think most economists would take distinct
umbrage. But is basically telling it like it is. Economics is a social
game, and you'n'me are losing..... BIGtime. Cuz the game is corrupt....
just ax yer Congressperson, eating his $450 steak, with his fav lobbyist....
Imo, a game theoretic analysis of Bain would show Bain to be in simply a
game of cheating: cameras looking at your cards in poker, or swiping your
chess pieces off the board, with sleight of hand. DATS how Bain does
bidniss.
So there you have SOME of it.... the point being to illustrate the fact
that any asshole who thumps his chest, declaring that only an economist can
understand Bain is totally fullashit -- all's you need to know is how to add
and subtract.
BUT, to understand *why* Bain is a priori an OBLIGATORY EVIL, you need to
know a little economic theory, as described above, most of it centering on
the relatively simple notion of efficient markets.
So really, you no need no Village Voice exposes on Bain to know that it is a
fundamentally destructive entity.
But, for those not comfortable with "economic axioms" (or thermo), God Bless
the investigative reporter.
Sorta like perpetual motion machines:
You can dismiss them the easy way, thru the laws of thermo, or you can
dismiss them the hard way, by hiring "forensic engineers" to spend a fukn
month taking them apart to find the con.
Either way is OK, just the first is a lot quicker/cheaper -- and what the
USPTO uses.
Regardless, blowhard assholes like Trader4 are incapable of either the
theoretical understanding, or the empirical/experimental skills. They will,
instead, fellate the Romneys of the world, largely because, well, Romney is
good-looking and richer than God.... which is all people like Trader4
understand.
No hard feelings, Trader.... Hey, since you proly will never be able to
REALLY fellate the Mittster, I'm not too far away in NY, you can come on
over and fellate me.... Ahm not rich, but I am good-looking.....
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EA
>
>
jim
Nov 9, 2012, 9:18:06 AM11/9/12
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jim
Nov 9, 2012, 10:21:31 AM11/9/12
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Gunner wrote:
>
> It was directed at Bruce. I congratulated you on recognizing it.
> --
> ""The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have
> to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That’s why I
> became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
> have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
> use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
>
> Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have
> a clue as to political reality.
> What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
> workers and convince them that they should support social programs
> that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
> little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
> want.
>
> The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
> operative instead of a Republican was because there were more
> Democrats that didn’t have a clue than there were Republicans."
> James Carvell, DNC operative
website thinkexist.com by someone going by thisoneworks. It has no
attribution. Just another conservative propagandistic fabrication as far
as I can tell.”
-- James Carville
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 9, 2012, 10:23:13 AM11/9/12
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"tra...@optonline.net" wrote:
>
> This from the clown who a month ago was advocating a
> battery farm and multiple inverters in a garage, charged
> from a car, with extension cords running to various loads
> in the house as an effective back-up power solution....
Existential Angst
Nov 9, 2012, 11:48:31 AM11/9/12
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Gunner wrote:
>
> It was directed at Bruce. I congratulated you on recognizing it.
No you didn't
================================================
Heh, I was wondering about that myself..... I was thinking, Is Gummer
confabulating (again), this time *to my very face*????
By golly, I think he WAS!!!
Or was he just lying.... again.... LOL!!!
Still, ahm tryna get my room back.... even if it is in a CA hovel....
--
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Gunner wrote:
>
> It was directed at Bruce. I congratulated you on recognizing it.
No you didn't
Heh, I was wondering about that myself..... I was thinking, Is Gummer
confabulating (again), this time *to my very face*????
By golly, I think he WAS!!!
Or was he just lying.... again.... LOL!!!
Still, ahm tryna get my room back.... even if it is in a CA hovel....
--
EA
Existential Angst
Nov 9, 2012, 12:13:43 PM11/9/12
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bullshit economics degree, anymore....
Just like that loquacious pompous pretentious fagit Gene, and his bullshit
Thevenin's theorem and first college course.... which turned out to be a
fuknVIDEO course..... goodgawd.....
Ahm no 'spert, but I got a perty good bullshit meter.
You, otoh, just seem to naturally gravitate toward bullshit. Esp. republican
bullshit.....
I said from the gitgo Trader4 was right.... I thought that was actually
perty funny, have no pro'leng fessing up to it.
But that humorless prick just goes for the jugular, each and every time.
AND, he re-writes history. He WAS right, but not for any cogent or
well-explained reasons. Yeah, I hadda find out for myself, and what I've
found out is really perty inneresting, which I'll detail in another post.
He's proly right-er than he even knows! But we'll see, I got more
learning-the-hard-way to do.... LOL
Oh, I loved this one:
"Some have to learn the hard way. Keep in mind this is
one of the big libs here. His approach to what he thought
he knew about inverters, versus what I told him over a
month ago, is instructive. This is the libs approach to the
economy and ruining the country too. Take some kooky
ideas that fly in the face of reality and refuse to listen to
those that know better."
edicts at face value.
Second, he just described..... Alan Greenspan!!!!!
"But.... but..... but...... but..... I thought the market would
regulate ITSELF!!!!!! "
THOUGHT, eh??
Kooky ideas that fly in the face of reality, indeed. Refusing to listen,
indeed.....
Another funny thing:
You RePube closet cross-dressers seem to equate anti-corruption in gummint
with liberalism....
WTF do you come up wit DAT????
Oh, Oh, I get it: RePube corruption is OK, it's the DemoCrap corruption
that's reprehensible and the root of all our problems..... Oh, okay......
I think y'all spend much too much time reading the fuknBibble..... after a
while, you just make just no sense at all (Gummer being an admittedly
extreme example), but you repeat it over and over and over and over and over
again.
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EA
Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)
Nov 9, 2012, 3:09:49 AM11/9/12
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:42:58 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Good post!
Hey, remember where I spent my formative youth - in the Granada Hills
C.O. generator room drooling at the Genset - Mitsubishi V-16 quad
turbo Tugboat engine and a generator head 48" across and long - 750 KW
continuous at 277/480V, 1 MW surge. Radiator up on the roof. Four 8D
batteries in series/parallel.
GTE/Verizon knows how to build a Generator Room.
Well, except for Sunland where back in the Forties California Water &
Telephone had put the fuel tank in the Uphill side of the parking lot
way above the generator in the Basement, and in the 70's a fuel supply
hose to the Day Tank broke and the resulting siphon action half
flooded the basement with #2 Diesel...
They dug a huge crater in the parking lot to get the top of the tank
below the floor of the basement - and Sunland is all built on alluvial
free-running sand, and true to form it started free-running...
After the rapidly expanding crater chewed up all the asphalt for 60
feet and headed for the property lines, they filled the crater with
50+ truckloads of One-Sack Slurry and let it set, and tried again.
The second time the top layer of Slurry held, but when they got below
the plug the sand tried running out from underneath again - Fill it up
with slurry again...
The third time (or was it fourth?) the slurry held the last of the
sand back long enough to pour a concrete bathtub with 25' walls, and
strap down the new fiberglass tank. Topped off with ~16 - 18 feet of
pea gravel.
--<< Bruce >>--
wrote:
>
>Good post!
Hey, remember where I spent my formative youth - in the Granada Hills
C.O. generator room drooling at the Genset - Mitsubishi V-16 quad
turbo Tugboat engine and a generator head 48" across and long - 750 KW
continuous at 277/480V, 1 MW surge. Radiator up on the roof. Four 8D
batteries in series/parallel.
GTE/Verizon knows how to build a Generator Room.
Well, except for Sunland where back in the Forties California Water &
Telephone had put the fuel tank in the Uphill side of the parking lot
way above the generator in the Basement, and in the 70's a fuel supply
hose to the Day Tank broke and the resulting siphon action half
flooded the basement with #2 Diesel...
They dug a huge crater in the parking lot to get the top of the tank
below the floor of the basement - and Sunland is all built on alluvial
free-running sand, and true to form it started free-running...
After the rapidly expanding crater chewed up all the asphalt for 60
feet and headed for the property lines, they filled the crater with
50+ truckloads of One-Sack Slurry and let it set, and tried again.
The second time the top layer of Slurry held, but when they got below
the plug the sand tried running out from underneath again - Fill it up
with slurry again...
The third time (or was it fourth?) the slurry held the last of the
sand back long enough to pour a concrete bathtub with 25' walls, and
strap down the new fiberglass tank. Topped off with ~16 - 18 feet of
pea gravel.
--<< Bruce >>--
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 9, 2012, 12:34:03 PM11/9/12
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"Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)" wrote:
>
> Topped off with ~16 - 18 feet of pea gravel.
Existential Angst
Nov 9, 2012, 1:59:05 PM11/9/12
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scenarios can be understood with litanies of bullshit fukn economic theory.
Which will perhaps make it even clearer how Bain was *necessarily* corrupt
and predatory.
Look at insurance, and look at the fundamental premise of insurance.
Insurance is really a GREAT example of Game Theory, and how our poker hands
are being read by camera, the impact of hoarded information, the whole nine.
First, two Qs: What is a "fair bet", and, Why do CorPirations exist?
A fair bet is precisely this:
The amount bet MUST equal the probability of you winning (a lottery or
whatever) mulitplied by the "winning amount" or payoff.
So a $1 bet is "fair" if the probability of winning $1,000,000 is one in
one million. Or if the "pot" is $10, there must be a 1 in 10 chance of
winning it. Ten times 1/10 = 1.
Any probability LESS than that amount makes it an "unfair" and shouldn't be
played.
Now, you can arger, that an unfair bet is necessary because costs of
administering the bet/lottery have to be paid, blah blah blah....
And yeah, dat may be true, but nevertheless, right away.... RIGHT
AWAY..... the betting public as a whole loses.
Add to that the answer to the second Q, which is the PROFIT motive of
CorPirations (and often predatory profit, at that), and now you/we REALLY
start to lose.
Add to that fuknLawyers, the mega-costs of congressional lobbying, and the
mega-mega costs of mindfucking advertising, and the whole nine (hyooge
gratuitous overhead), and you are proly paying ten TIMES what you should be
paying for "fair bet" insurance.
Insurance is in fact just a bet, but the profit motive and skullduggery
thereof is SO large, that now the bet becomes a joke....
It's as if me'n'Trader4 bet on a flipped coin, but he insists on betting 10c
to my dollar....
How can the bet be 10 to 1 when the odds of head/tails are 1 to 1??? DATS
what casinos and insurance companies are having Le Pubic accept.
And Le Pubic loses, to the tune of BILLIONS upon billions upon billions of
dollars a year.
How do you think those fukn insurance companies build those huge phallused
skyscrapers??
They should really get symbolically explicit, and carve a gigantic mouth or
ass at the tip of the skyscraper, with Hollywood-sized lettering spelling,
L-E P-U-B-I-C......
So now you can look at things like guarownteed acceptance/issue life
insurance, and see what an utter scam that must be... the operative words
being "scam" and "must". Combine that with what is by now virtually a
cosmic law, that ANYTHING heavily advertised is NECESSARILY junk.... with a
similar syllogistic logic -- and you can see that a priori, Colonial Penn is
den of unwashed thieves, preying on the elderly -- along with these
reverse-mortgage cocksuckers..
Using the same syllogisms, you can ascertain that HSN/QVC *MUST* be
ripoffs. But in this case, you can check for yourself. Take anything with
something resembling a model # -- and if you call up they will tell you, if
not on the screen -- then google it, and GUAR-OWN-TEED you will find it
online for at least 25% less.
Now, Moi knows a li'l sumpn sumpn about HSN/QVC dat most people don't know:
To get on that show, your product must be able to "withstand" (their
words!!) a 500 to 2,000% markup.
Not 5 to 20%....
Not 50 to 200%....
But 500 to 2,000%, or five to TWENTY times cost!!!! holy shit....
Bear in mind that your local hardware store selling an effing Sawzall is
making 10-30%, typically 15-20%. They make considerably more, %-wise, on
faucet washers, but hey, give the guy a break.... LOL
But you no need no facts or "inside information" on HSN/QVC -- the VERY
STRUCTURE of the programming tells you -- TELLS YOU -- that they MUST be a
ripoff. IFF you have properly set up the syllogisms, subjects and
predicates.
Really, very thermodynamic in nature.
And, ironically sad to say, I get almost daily deliveries from HSN, QVC, via
the wife. I should introduce her to Trader4, they'd proly get on
swimmingly.....
Regarding insurance, the highly statistical and game-theoretic nature of
insurance makes it imperative that it be INTENSELY REGULATED. Which is why
Big Ins spends BILLIONS upon billions upon billions on lobbying and
advertising, to essentially mindfuck Le Pubic AND stack the legislative deck
agains Le Pubic.
Logically, insurance really should be "socialized", gummint run.... and
yeah, the age ole argerment about gummint sloth vs. privatized efficiency
has some merit, but then you have to balance that with the fundamental
non-profit nature of gummint vs. the mega-predatory profiteering of
virtually all Big Bidniss -- tough things to balance.
The REAL solution was Obama's *original* plan -- the Pubic Option: Leave
the insurance companies alone, don't change *one fukn thing about the
industry*, just -- and this was a HYOOGE "just" -- just let the gummint
become a competitor...... holy shit, fukn genius, absolute genius, left Big
Ins shitting in their insured pants.
So Big Insurance sent Karen Ignagni and her 36" Industry Strap-on, she took
Obamer into a back room, and shoved that strap-on in, clear up to Obamers's
epiglottis. He hasn't walked the same since.
OR, she paid him off..... LOL
Whatever happened, we The Pubic lost, and we lost BIGtime.
Part of the moral to the story is, Thar's gold in them thar Probabilistic
Hills.
So, part of the point here is, you no need no stinkin economics degree to
unnerstand economics, which is really just the """science""" of being fucked
in the ass, via your wallet/credit card.
All's you gotta do is use a little common sense, some very basic math,
probability, and you can understand WHOLE INDUSTRIES with these basic
concepts.
Now, to fuck Le Pubic *properly* you do need all kinds of actuaries,
lawyers, and yeah, even economists -- but MOST of all, you need **corrupt
politicians**.
But you don't need any of dat shit *to accurately understand HOW you are
being fucked*. Just like you don't need an engineering degree to study the
details of a perpetual motion machine cuz, well, the details are just moot.
Ergo, in keeping with the above, you can understand how Bain, with 10,000%
returns, must -- MUST -- destroy the companies it parasitizes, bec these
companies are predicated, structured -- and thriving -- on 8-10% returns.
And the ones that weren't thriving certainly are not going to be helped by
all of a sudden incurring hundreds of millions of dollars in bank loans,
which the Bain investors then steal.
The Village Voice article (and others) will confirm these axiomatic
prognostications on Bain et al, but that's all the Village Voice article
really is, a confirmation. Because, economic/thermodynamic/game-theoretic
law sez it must be that way, and it IS that way.
As a group, on the whole, over time, you lose paying insurance, you lose in
a casino, and if your company is parasitized by Bain, it becomes a dried
sun-baked carcass, like all parastized dead animals.
Y'all will be tested.
Not Trader4, of course, cuz, well, we cut Special Ed people considerable
slack. I'll give Trader4 an Oral Exam, if he comes to NY.
--
EA
>
>
Gunner
Nov 9, 2012, 2:21:06 PM11/9/12
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:21:31 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m...@mwt.net>
wrote:
>
>
>Gunner wrote:
>
>>
>> It was directed at Bruce. I congratulated you on recognizing it.
>
>No you didn't
Cites?
Power to da Pipples! It its from the mouth of a Democrat, true or
not..its Da Truth!!
Its the law!!
Gunner
wrote:
>
>
>Gunner wrote:
>
>>
>> It was directed at Bruce. I congratulated you on recognizing it.
>
>No you didn't
not..its Da Truth!!
Its the law!!
Gunner
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 9, 2012, 2:22:39 PM11/9/12
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> >
> > pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >>
> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012
> >> 20:21:30 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >> >Gunner wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst" wrote:
> >> >> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly
> >> >> >still
> >> >> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
> >> >> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been
> >> >> >mindfucked just
> >> >> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
> >> >>
> >> >> Im digging the hole this weekend.
> >> >
> >> > Remember, narrow, but very deep!
> >>
> >> 'Cause "deep down, they're good people"
> >
> > But not till it's over 40' deep.
>
> A simple six feet suffices.
The other 34 feet are for his comrades.
> >
> > pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >>
> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012
> >> 20:21:30 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >> >Gunner wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:24:40 -0500, "Existential Angst" wrote:
> >> >> >Well, a supporter, f'sure. The fact that you are not, or cannot see
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >common thrust between OWSers and TeaBaggers is bec, well, you proly
> >> >> >still
> >> >> >suffer from PTSD, and can't think straight.
> >> >> >Or, despite your error-ridden chest-thumping, you have been
> >> >> >mindfucked just
> >> >> >like these video-playing dweebs in NYC.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I hope that doesn't impact on my room situration over there.....
> >> >>
> >> >> Im digging the hole this weekend.
> >> >
> >> > Remember, narrow, but very deep!
> >>
> >> 'Cause "deep down, they're good people"
> >
> > But not till it's over 40' deep.
>
> A simple six feet suffices.
jim
Nov 9, 2012, 2:54:42 PM11/9/12
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Gunner wrote:
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> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:21:31 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m...@mwt.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Gunner wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> It was directed at Bruce. I congratulated you on recognizing it.
> >
> >No you didn't
>
> Cites?
for
something that didn't happen.
Existential Angst
Nov 9, 2012, 3:06:14 PM11/9/12
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EA
Gunner
Nov 9, 2012, 3:47:33 PM11/9/12
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:48:31 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> --
>> ""The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have
>> to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That's why I
>> became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
>> have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
>> use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
>>
>> Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don't have
>> a clue as to political reality.
>> What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
>> workers and convince them that they should support social programs
>> that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
>> little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
>> want.
>>
>> The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
>> operative instead of a Republican was because there were more
>> Democrats that didn't have a clue than there were Republicans."
>> James Carvell, DNC operative
>
>"The James Carville "herd of cows" quote is a fabrication, posted on the
>website thinkexist.com by someone going by thisoneworks. It has no
>attribution. Just another conservative propagandistic fabrication as far
>as I can tell."
>-- James Carville
Im a Registered Democrat and anything I say, true or false..is
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> --
>> ""The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have
>> to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That's why I
>> became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
>> have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
>> use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
>>
>> Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don't have
>> a clue as to political reality.
>> What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
>> workers and convince them that they should support social programs
>> that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
>> little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
>> want.
>>
>> The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
>> operative instead of a Republican was because there were more
>> Democrats that didn't have a clue than there were Republicans."
>> James Carvell, DNC operative
>
>"The James Carville "herd of cows" quote is a fabrication, posted on the
>website thinkexist.com by someone going by thisoneworks. It has no
>attribution. Just another conservative propagandistic fabrication as far
>as I can tell."
>-- James Carville
believable! Its part of being a Demonrat!!
If you dont believe me..Im calling the SJEU!!!
Gunner
Gunner
Nov 9, 2012, 3:50:53 PM11/9/12
to
least 500 feet deep before the first plug..and at minimum...24" in
diameter.
Its easy enough to dislocate a persons shoulders, dump a quart of
cheap 30weight on em and drop em down the hole.
Alive or dead. Shrug
Alive might be better. Give em time to think about their sins.
AMuzi
Nov 9, 2012, 3:53:15 PM11/9/12
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On 11/9/2012 2:47 PM, Gunner wrote:
-snip-
http://www.acronymfinder.com/~/search/af.aspx?Acronym=sjeu&Find=find&string=exact
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
-snip-
> If you dont believe me..Im calling the SJEU!!!
SJEU ?
http://www.acronymfinder.com/~/search/af.aspx?Acronym=sjeu&Find=find&string=exact
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 9, 2012, 4:44:54 PM11/9/12
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Gunner wrote:
>
> I know where there are 3 oil wells, with unsealed casings. They are at
> least 500 feet deep before the first plug..and at minimum...24" in
> diameter.
>
> Its easy enough to dislocate a persons shoulders, dump a quart of
> cheap 30weight on em and drop em down the hole.
>
> Alive or dead. Shrug
>
> Alive might be better. Give em time to think about their sins.
in that situation. :(
Existential Angst
Nov 9, 2012, 4:46:42 PM11/9/12
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You three should get a room together -- I did mention that I'd pay, if y'all
use condoms.... no telling what Gummer has...
As far as sins go.... Dood, if they gave you time to even *summarize* YOUR
sins, you'd witness my great grandkids hiring -- and firing -- your great
grandkids as butlers.
--
EA
Gunner
Nov 9, 2012, 10:33:29 PM11/9/12
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:53:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>On 11/9/2012 2:47 PM, Gunner wrote:
>-snip-
>> If you dont believe me..Im calling the SJEU!!!
>
>SJEU ?
>
>http://www.acronymfinder.com/~/search/af.aspx?Acronym=sjeu&Find=find&string=exact
Sorry..brain fart.
>On 11/9/2012 2:47 PM, Gunner wrote:
>-snip-
>> If you dont believe me..Im calling the SJEU!!!
>
>SJEU ?
>
>http://www.acronymfinder.com/~/search/af.aspx?Acronym=sjeu&Find=find&string=exact
SEIU. THey have really good lawyers! And I get one free! Im a
Democrat!!
Gunner
Nov 9, 2012, 10:33:55 PM11/9/12
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 13:54:42 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m...@mwt.net>
wrote:
>
>
>Gunner wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:21:31 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m...@mwt.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Gunner wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> It was directed at Bruce. I congratulated you on recognizing it.
>> >
>> >No you didn't
>>
>> Cites?
>
>Only a retard would ask for citation
>for
>something that didn't happen.
>
>
>Gunner wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:21:31 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m...@mwt.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Gunner wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> It was directed at Bruce. I congratulated you on recognizing it.
>> >
>> >No you didn't
>>
>> Cites?
>
>Only a retard would ask for citation
>for
>something that didn't happen.
Gunner
Nov 9, 2012, 10:34:46 PM11/9/12
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jim
Nov 10, 2012, 6:59:34 AM11/10/12
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Gunner wrote:
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> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 13:54:42 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m...@mwt.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Gunner wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:21:31 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m...@mwt.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Gunner wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> It was directed at Bruce. I congratulated you on recognizing it.
> >> >
> >> >No you didn't
> >>
> >> Cites?
> >
> >Only a retard would ask for citation
> >for
> >something that didn't happen.
>
> Cites?
>
tra...@optonline.net
Nov 10, 2012, 8:01:22 AM11/10/12
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On Nov 9, 1:58 pm, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Existential Angst wrote:
> >> "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:WOydna08Qaf1yAHN...@earthlink.com...
> "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Existential Angst wrote:
> >> "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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up here. You claim to understand economics, then you post
this nonsense? Of course the insurance companies are going
to factor in a profit when they determine the rates they charge.
And only a commie or total idiot would not understand that it's
entirely appropriate. To do otherwise is like expecting the guy
who fixes your car or the company that builds your computer
to do it for free too.
Now, what keeps those prices fair? If you understoond
economics 101, you'd know it's COMPETITION. If profits
are high, it encourages more companies to start offering
insurance, because they want to make some of those high
profits too. As more companies enter, competition
increases, prices drop, until
they reach a market equilibrium point, where profits are
adequate, but not extraordinary.
>
> Add to that the answer to the second Q, which is the PROFIT motive of
> CorPirations (and often predatory profit, at that), and now you/we REALLY
> start to lose.
it for cost , right? Or maybe add 10%? Hell no. Despite all
your rant, you'd sell if for the price that gets you the most profit.
Yet, when a company does exactly that, why it's evil.
>
> Add to that fuknLawyers, the mega-costs of congressional lobbying, and the
> mega-mega costs of mindfucking advertising, and the whole nine (hyooge
> gratuitous overhead), and you are proly paying ten TIMES what you should be
> paying for "fair bet" insurance.
of the insurance companies would be extraordinary. Go look
at the data which is readily available for any of them and you'll
see it's in line with other industries. If any such gold mine were
available, insurance stocks would be hotter than Google
and new competitors would be entering the insurance
business every day.
But it does show how you commie pinkos just make stuff up
and are actually totally ignorant of the most basic facts..
>
> Insurance is in fact just a bet, but the profit motive and skullduggery
> thereof is SO large, that now the bet becomes a joke....
> It's as if me'n'Trader4 bet on a flipped coin, but he insists on betting 10c
> to my dollar....
> How can the bet be 10 to 1 when the odds of head/tails are 1 to 1??? DATS
> what casinos and insurance companies are having Le Pubic accept.
> And Le Pubic loses, to the tune of BILLIONS upon billions upon billions of
> dollars a year.
> How do you think those fukn insurance companies build those huge phallused
> skyscrapers??
> They should really get symbolically explicit, and carve a gigantic mouth or
> ass at the tip of the skyscraper, with Hollywood-sized lettering spelling,
> L-E P-U-B-I-C......
>
> So now you can look at things like guarownteed acceptance/issue life
> insurance, and see what an utter scam that must be... the operative words
> being "scam" and "must". Combine that with what is by now virtually a
> cosmic law, that ANYTHING heavily advertised is NECESSARILY junk.... with a
> similar syllogistic logic -- and you can see that a priori, Colonial Penn is
> den of unwashed thieves, preying on the elderly -- along with these
> reverse-mortgage cocksuckers..
Someone who is 75 decides that they would like to start
using some of the money in their paid-off house so that
they can enjoy the money in their remaining years.
Certainly, if I had a brain-dead buffoon like you as a child,
I'd make damn sure to do that, instead of leaving the
equity to you.
>
> Using the same syllogisms, you can ascertain that HSN/QVC *MUST* be
> ripoffs. But in this case, you can check for yourself. Take anything with
> something resembling a model # -- and if you call up they will tell you, if
> not on the screen -- then google it, and GUAR-OWN-TEED you will find it
> online for at least 25% less.
offered on QVC, don't buy it. Not everyone wants to screw
around online to save some money. People buy products
through a variety of channels. Some people enjoy the
QVC experience. But this is classic liberal
thinking. Everyone who doesn't have their same lifestyle,
be it eating, voting, or shopping must be a stupid person
who needs the govt to control them and tell them what to
do. It's arrogant liberalism at it's worst.
>
> Now, Moi knows a li'l sumpn sumpn about HSN/QVC dat most people don't know:
> To get on that show, your product must be able to "withstand" (their
> words!!) a 500 to 2,000% markup.
> Not 5 to 20%....
> Not 50 to 200%....
> But 500 to 2,000%, or five to TWENTY times cost!!!! holy shit....
> Bear in mind that your local hardware store selling an effing Sawzall is
> making 10-30%, typically 15-20%. They make considerably more, %-wise, on
> faucet washers, but hey, give the guy a break.... LOL
store buys a Sawzall for $100 and sells it for $115?
>
> But you no need no facts or "inside information" on HSN/QVC -- the VERY
> STRUCTURE of the programming tells you -- TELLS YOU -- that they MUST be a
> ripoff. IFF you have properly set up the syllogisms, subjects and
> predicates.
>
> Really, very thermodynamic in nature.
> And, ironically sad to say, I get almost daily deliveries from HSN, QVC, via
> the wife. I should introduce her to Trader4, they'd proly get on
> swimmingly.....
You're just pissed off that your wife buys some stuff
on QVC. If she has to put up with your idiocy, that seems
like a very small price to pay. How much does a
vacation in Italy cost? You're just a cheapskate. A
cheapskate who's probably not been getting any lately,
because the wife has had enough of you too.
>
> Regarding insurance, the highly statistical and game-theoretic nature of
> insurance makes it imperative that it be INTENSELY REGULATED. Which is why
> Big Ins spends BILLIONS upon billions upon billions on lobbying and
> advertising, to essentially mindfuck Le Pubic AND stack the legislative deck
> agains Le Pubic.
>
> Logically, insurance really should be "socialized", gummint run....
Why must libs fix problems that don't exist?
and
> yeah, the age ole argerment about gummint sloth vs. privatized efficiency
> has some merit, but then you have to balance that with the fundamental
> non-profit nature of gummint vs. the mega-predatory profiteering of
> virtually all Big Bidniss -- tough things to balance.
>
> The REAL solution was Obama's *original* plan -- the Pubic Option: Leave
> the insurance companies alone, don't change *one fukn thing about the
> industry*, just -- and this was a HYOOGE "just" -- just let the gummint
> become a competitor...... holy shit, fukn genius, absolute genius, left Big
> Ins shitting in their insured pants.
>
> So Big Insurance sent Karen Ignagni and her 36" Industry Strap-on, she took
> Obamer into a back room, and shoved that strap-on in, clear up to Obamers's
> epiglottis. He hasn't walked the same since.
> OR, she paid him off..... LOL
> Whatever happened, we The Pubic lost, and we lost BIGtime.
>
> Part of the moral to the story is, Thar's gold in them thar Probabilistic
> Hills.
>
> So, part of the point here is, you no need no stinkin economics degree to
> unnerstand economics, which is really just the """science""" of being fucked
> in the ass, via your wallet/credit card.
economics or business. The local hardware store sells
stuff for 15% more than it costs? Nuff said....
> All's you gotta do is use a little common sense, some very basic math,
> probability, and you can understand WHOLE INDUSTRIES with these basic
> concepts.
economics 101. But like most libs, you think everyone else
is stupid and that you are actually superior. Go figure.
>
> Now, to fuck Le Pubic *properly* you do need all kinds of actuaries,
> lawyers, and yeah, even economists -- but MOST of all, you need **corrupt
> politicians**.
> But you don't need any of dat shit *to accurately understand HOW you are
> being fucked*. Just like you don't need an engineering degree to study the
> details of a perpetual motion machine cuz, well, the details are just moot.
>
> Ergo, in keeping with the above, you can understand how Bain, with 10,000%
> returns, must -- MUST -- destroy the companies it parasitizes, bec these
> companies are predicated, structured -- and thriving -- on 8-10% returns.
> And the ones that weren't thriving certainly are not going to be helped by
> all of a sudden incurring hundreds of millions of dollars in bank loans,
> which the Bain investors then steal.
>
> The Village Voice article (and others) will confirm these axiomatic
> prognostications on Bain et al, but that's all the Village Voice article
> really is, a confirmation. Because, economic/thermodynamic/game-theoretic
> law sez it must be that way, and it IS that way.
>
> As a group, on the whole, over time, you lose paying insurance, you lose in
> a casino, and if your company is parasitized by Bain, it becomes a dried
> sun-baked carcass, like all parastized dead animals.
>
> Y'all will be tested.
> Not Trader4, of course, cuz, well, we cut Special Ed people considerable
> slack. I'll give Trader4 an Oral Exam, if he comes to NY.
> --
> EA
>
with Bain Capital. Bain is a venture capital company. They
don't offer insurance. They are not selling products on QVC.
But thank you for proving one of my key points. And that is
that libs like you and Obama don't just hate Bain Capital.
You hate all American business and capitalism.
Bain built Staples, Sports Authority, Steel Dynamics, etc.
They never made a hostile takeover, only investing in
companies that sought their money and expertise. Most,
like the above, were successes that created jobs. A
few failed. Only the most dishonest skunks would
focus on the failures and try to distort them.
BTW, have you discovered anything new about
powering inverters off of trucks since your revolutionary
discovery that the cigarette lighter can't support
50 amps?
Existential Angst
Nov 10, 2012, 10:32:17 AM11/10/12
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That's in fact what I stated..... in a fair market economy.
Places like Bain, however, make sure it is no longer fair, something you
don't understand.
Read "Winner takes all politics", or watch the Bill Moyers interview.
>
> Add to that the answer to the second Q, which is the PROFIT motive of
> CorPirations (and often predatory profit, at that), and now you/we REALLY
> start to lose.
Of course if you were selling your house, you would just sell
it for cost , right? Or maybe add 10%? Hell no. Despite all
your rant, you'd sell if for the price that gets you the most profit.
Yet, when a company does exactly that, why it's evil.
==================================================
You missed the point.
And housing is another discussion...... not with a rationalized idiot like
you, but another discussion.
Not a pretty one, either
>
> Add to that fuknLawyers, the mega-costs of congressional lobbying, and the
> mega-mega costs of mindfucking advertising, and the whole nine (hyooge
> gratuitous overhead), and you are proly paying ten TIMES what you should
> be
> paying for "fair bet" insurance.
Yet another lie. If insurance was selling for 10X, the profits
of the insurance companies would be extraordinary. Go look
at the data which is readily available for any of them and you'll
see it's in line with other industries. If any such gold mine were
available, insurance stocks would be hotter than Google
and new competitors would be entering the insurance
business every day.
===============================================
They are.
And of course you missed the point.
=============================================
Do some reading. Reverse mortgage brokers are the New Predators.
=================================================
Only capitalism-gone-wild, predatory capitalism.
You don't have a fukn clue about the role of regulation or Bain. You
selectively read, selectively quote..
Bain built Staples, Sports Authority, Steel Dynamics, etc.
They never made a hostile takeover, only investing in
companies that sought their money and expertise. Most,
like the above, were successes that created jobs. A
few failed. Only the most dishonest skunks would
focus on the failures and try to distort them.
BTW, have you discovered anything new about
powering inverters off of trucks since your revolutionary
discovery that the cigarette lighter can't support
50 amps?
======================================================
You should do one of two things re your alma mater:
Either demand your money back (I'll help you), or don't tell anyone what
your alma mater is, cuz you will really hurt their bidniss.
Oh, and try to refrain from offering investment advice.
--
EA
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That's in fact what I stated..... in a fair market economy.
Places like Bain, however, make sure it is no longer fair, something you
don't understand.
Read "Winner takes all politics", or watch the Bill Moyers interview.
>
> Add to that the answer to the second Q, which is the PROFIT motive of
> CorPirations (and often predatory profit, at that), and now you/we REALLY
> start to lose.
Of course if you were selling your house, you would just sell
it for cost , right? Or maybe add 10%? Hell no. Despite all
your rant, you'd sell if for the price that gets you the most profit.
Yet, when a company does exactly that, why it's evil.
You missed the point.
And housing is another discussion...... not with a rationalized idiot like
you, but another discussion.
Not a pretty one, either
>
> Add to that fuknLawyers, the mega-costs of congressional lobbying, and the
> mega-mega costs of mindfucking advertising, and the whole nine (hyooge
> gratuitous overhead), and you are proly paying ten TIMES what you should
> be
> paying for "fair bet" insurance.
Yet another lie. If insurance was selling for 10X, the profits
of the insurance companies would be extraordinary. Go look
at the data which is readily available for any of them and you'll
see it's in line with other industries. If any such gold mine were
available, insurance stocks would be hotter than Google
and new competitors would be entering the insurance
business every day.
They are.
And of course you missed the point.
Do some reading. Reverse mortgage brokers are the New Predators.
Only capitalism-gone-wild, predatory capitalism.
You don't have a fukn clue about the role of regulation or Bain. You
selectively read, selectively quote..
Bain built Staples, Sports Authority, Steel Dynamics, etc.
They never made a hostile takeover, only investing in
companies that sought their money and expertise. Most,
like the above, were successes that created jobs. A
few failed. Only the most dishonest skunks would
focus on the failures and try to distort them.
BTW, have you discovered anything new about
powering inverters off of trucks since your revolutionary
discovery that the cigarette lighter can't support
50 amps?
You should do one of two things re your alma mater:
Either demand your money back (I'll help you), or don't tell anyone what
your alma mater is, cuz you will really hurt their bidniss.
Oh, and try to refrain from offering investment advice.
--
EA
Gunner
Nov 10, 2012, 2:53:31 PM11/10/12
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Gunner
Gunner
Nov 10, 2012, 8:23:06 PM11/10/12
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 16:12:18 -0600, "Gene" <gene....@home.com>
wrote:
>news:voml98hgqmvjf3va5...@4ax.com...
>http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/carville.asp
>
Almost certainly misdirection by the much reviled and well proven to
be fraudulant Snopes
The Probably False is a dead giveaway. Along with the suddenly pulled
rebuttles to the Obama birth cert scandal.
wrote:
>news:voml98hgqmvjf3va5...@4ax.com...
>
>> The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
>> operative instead of a Republican was because there were more
>> Democrats that didn't have a clue than there were Republicans."
>> James Carvell, DNC operative
>
>Almost certainly fabricated right-wing nonsense:
>> The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
>> operative instead of a Republican was because there were more
>> Democrats that didn't have a clue than there were Republicans."
>> James Carvell, DNC operative
>
>http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/carville.asp
>
Almost certainly misdirection by the much reviled and well proven to
be fraudulant Snopes
The Probably False is a dead giveaway. Along with the suddenly pulled
rebuttles to the Obama birth cert scandal.
Existential Angst
Nov 10, 2012, 11:39:35 PM11/10/12
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total distortions from a sycophantic fellator of the status quo -- and a
hysterical one at that.
Trader4 couldn't even LIFT a marine battery, much less do any experiments
with it.
Oh, come to think of it, Gummer, are you still sitting down to pee?
Holy shit, speaking of lifting marine batteries, if Moi has to lift dat
muthafucka too many more times, I won't be doing any more 'speriments with
it, either.... holy shit....
Dat muthafucka is so heavy.....
HOW HEAVY IS IT????
Dat muthafucka is so heavy, it can affect the handling of a vehicle.....
holy shit....
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Existential Angst
Nov 11, 2012, 12:23:41 AM11/11/12
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Aside from the fact that you misconstrued virtually every point I made, AND
misrepresented Bain -- you really should do some homework -- here's a Q for
you, O Economic Swami:
If Big Insurance is such an efficient, well-run, HONEST industry, why did
they shit in their pants when Obamer proposed The Pubic Option?
Bear in mind that the pubic option *had nothing to do with the insurance
industry itself*.
All the public option was was an ALTERNATIVE plan to the typical HMO
bullshit. Big Ins was free to do what they wanted -- ripoff bidniss as
usual, or anything else.
Yet, they squashed it immediately. Why??
Well, the Q was rhetorical, since you, The Great Sycophantic Fellator of the
Status Quo, couldn't poss. come up with the right answer, so I'll answer it
for you.
Because Big Insurance *does charge 10x (give or take) a "fair premium"*,
because of its incredible top-heavyness, due to multiple factors, greed just
being one of them.
The other is that most of Big Insurance is pubically traded, and once you
get dat IPO/listing/etc, your legal fees alone jump 1,000%. + debt, +
interest + tons of shit dealing with stockholders + advertising/marketing,
++++LOBBYING, + CEO mega-compensation, + a hundred other useless fucking
drains/strains on the insured.
Who pays? Well, Le Pubic, of course, Le Insured.
So a gummint plan, which strips alladat bullshit away, would come in
waaaaaaaaay cheaper than the ripoff insurance system we have today.
If you could pull Big Insurance's dick out of your ass, you might could see
straight enough to grok this.
But, al-ass.....
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EA
Existential Angst
Nov 11, 2012, 2:04:10 AM11/11/12
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B. Concurrent deficits or impairments in present adaptive functioning (i.e.,
the person's effectiveness in meeting the standards expected for his or her
age by his or her cultural group) in at least two of the following areas:
communication, self-care, home living, social/interpersonal skills, use of
community resources, self-direction, functional academic skills, work,
leisure, health, and safety.
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I guess confabulation/chronic lying/childish menacing fall under a
different diagnostic category.... LOL
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