Worst anime endings?
Invid Fan
the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
'Last Exile': when we got to the end, it's like "so, this is the
secret... really... can we ignore it and get back to the fun character
stuff?
'Outlaw Star': not only did they blow the remaining budget on the
episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
awhile yet...
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Derek Janssen
> Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
> the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings
(Sooo, maybe the next time you get into that tempting "Will JK Rowlings
kill off Harry Potter?" thread...maybe you'll take a moment and think
back to the LAST time somebody deliberately spent months jerking your
final-episode chain on purpose?) ;)
> 'Outlaw Star': not only did they blow the remaining budget on the
> episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
> conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
> awhile yet...
Hey, looked like it'd get a second season, can't blame them for that--
Think we can disqulify that category.
Anime endings, let's see:
- Video Girl Ai: Hall of fame for Just So Wrong endings
- Dragon Ball Z: And so, generations later and our hero finally grown
up, a lifelong quest concludes...Uhh, no, wait on second thought, let's
take ten more minutes and set up the NEXT series.
- Slayers [collectively]: How do you want to measure this one, by
"Slayers Try", or "Slayers: Premium"?--Nahh, had to be Premium, with the
cast reunion and all, but Junichi Sato's cute-'n-zany style was so
miscast for the series, we know that Lina Inverse and Sgt. Keroro were
never meant for each other...)
- Ranma 1/2, xxxHolic: Good fadeout scenes, but, umm...could we have
maybe had, y'know, a little *hint* that this might've been the finale,
before the Big Surprise?
...Actually, it's difficult to think of bad anime endings, since most of
them know they're closed arcs, and aim for sense of closure--
Unlike (ahem) SOME series we could mention.
Derek Janssen
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S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
> the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
>
Oh c'mon, it wasn't that bad!
Everybody was watching it, but there wasn't any rioting. ^_^
Laters. =)
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Sea Wasp
> Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
> the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
> one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>
> 'Last Exile': when we got to the end, it's like "so, this is the
> secret... really... can we ignore it and get back to the fun character
> stuff?
Haven't gotten to the end of this one, so I can't comment.
>
> 'Outlaw Star': not only did they blow the remaining budget on the
> episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
> conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
> awhile yet...
Huh. I thought it wasn't bad at all.
Now, Neon Genesis Evangelion, there's a show with a bad ending.
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Sea Wasp
> We already had a thread like this.
Yes. We've already had all threads already. We'll keep repeating them
all until doomsday.
Captain Nerd
Sea Wasp <seawasp...@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote:
> dump...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > We already had a thread like this.
>
> Yes. We've already had all threads already. We'll keep repeating them
> all until doomsday.
I think there was a thread about that...
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Phil Yff
> Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
> the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
> one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
I'm waiting for "The Sopranos - Death and Rebirth" and "The End of the
Sopranos." ^-^
Mata ato de,
Phil Yff
Phil Yff
> In article <466D3E47...@sgeObviousinc.com>,
> Sea Wasp <seawasp...@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote:
>
>> dump...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> We already had a thread like this.
>>
>> Yes. We've already had all threads already. We'll keep repeating them
>> all until doomsday.
>
> I think there was a thread about that...
A thread about doomsday, in other words, May 20 1996? Absolutely!
Mehdi Tibouchi
>
> Now, Neon Genesis Evangelion, there's a show with a bad ending.
I thought the last two episodes were the best in the series by a long
shot :-).
As for Last Exile, the ending may have been a bit rushed and
anticlimactic, but I still wouldn't call it bad. When thinking of bad
endings, shows like Scrapped Princess, Kiddy Grade or Mai HiME come to
mind (they're bad enough to make an otherwise enjoyable show look pretty
crappy in retrospect).
The most recent pantheon-class bad ending I can think of is probably
Nishi no yoki majo. The show looked promising at the beginning. As the
series progressed, the plot thickened in possibly interesting directions
and then... kept thickening and thickening until they realized, around
episode 12, that this was a 13-episode show.
Jorge A Pratt
"Invid Fan" <in...@localnet.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:110620070233119731%in...@localnet.com...
> Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
> the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
> one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>
> 'Last Exile': when we got to the end, it's like "so, this is the
> secret... really... can we ignore it and get back to the fun character
> stuff?
Er, I thought Last Exile's ending, while incomplete, was relatively good.
There was an ill-explained comeback and a character whose development got
the short end of the stick, but everyone else was given a very satisfying
resolution to their plotlines. As for the "secret"... well, whether that's
good or bad is a matter of personal opinion. I was able to suspend disbelief
well enough to buy it, and the entire show WAS steadily hinting in that
direction since Episode 1 (what with the scarcity of pure water and all.)
What do you mean by "fun character stuff," though? While half of the episode
dealt with wrapping up the Big Plot Climax, the ending was essentially
devoted to the characters, just in a more dramatic fashion we were used to.
So, even though I have issues with it (big ones) I'd never place LE's ending
in a "worst" list. That place belongs to long-running series that just
_stop_ in the middle, like the animated Ranma and Inuyasha. (Ranma's even
worse than IY in this regard, because it "ended" in such an excellent
episode after months of awful fillers, while IY's was just a MotW-style
episode.)
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Travers Naran
> one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
I said it before, I'll say it again:
Kiddy Grade
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> I'm waiting for "The Sopranos - Death and Rebirth" and "The End of the
> Sopranos." ^-^
X-D LOL!
Tony = Gendo Ikari.
AJ = Shinji.
Where does the rest of the cast fit in?
Pete Granzeau
<med...@alussinan.org> wrote:
>Sea Wasp wrote in message <466D3DD1...@sgeObviousinc.com>:
>>
>> Now, Neon Genesis Evangelion, there's a show with a bad ending.
>
>I thought the last two episodes were the best in the series by a long
>shot :-).
It would have been nice if they had bothered to actually do some animation,
however.
EinarDogfin
> Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
> the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
> one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>
> 'Last Exile': when we got to the end, it's like "so, this is the
> secret... really... can we ignore it and get back to the fun character
> stuff?
>
> 'Outlaw Star': not only did they blow the remaining budget on the
> episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
> conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
> awhile yet...
>
Evangelion is gonna be the fan favorite I think.
My personals (other than eva) is Mahoromatic 2nd season, Abenobashi,
Noir, and Full Metal Alchemist.
Ryan -
Fish Eye no Miko
> My personals (other than eva) is [snip] Full Metal Alchemist.
Care to say why? I have problems with it, myself, but I'm wondering
if your problems with it are some of the same problems I have.
Please include a spoiler space if you give anything away.
Thanks!
Catherine Johnson.
Phil Yff
Mai-HiME
Oliver Wong
news:110620070233119731%in...@localnet.com...
> What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending?
I generally liked Scrapped Princess, but I was really disappointed
with its ending. Felt like an explicit, literal deus ex machina.
- Oliver
Derek Janssen
Gakuen Alice also set up subplots within subplots, but for its last
episode settled for simply the heroine's "I've grown so much as a
person, I don't need to stalk my snotty best 'friend' anymore!"...Umm, okay.
Derek Janssen
eja...@comcast.net
Phil Yff
> Phil Yff wrote:
>> I'm waiting for "The Sopranos - Death and Rebirth" and "The End of the
>> Sopranos." ^-^
>
> X-D LOL!
>
> Tony = Gendo Ikari.
> AJ = Shinji.
>
> Where does the rest of the cast fit in?
If "The Sopranos" follows Gainax's splendid model, this question does not
need to be asked or answered. The recipe for success is to mix equal
amounts of surrealism and splatter (a nod to Yamanade's Sunako-chan).
Emulsify the mixture with some obscure philosophy to make the viewers seem
dumb if they don't grasp the brilliance of the resulting work of art.
BTW, the trick is to get it wrong the first time. Otherwise, you would
have no reason to slice and dice "The Sopranos - Death and Rebirth" and
"The End of the Sopranos" to concoct "Revival of The Sopranos" otherwise
known as "Revival of the Sopranos: Death(true)2/Air/Magokoro wo, Kimi ni"
Phil Yff
Gakuen Alice is like Fruits Basket or Spiral. It only deals with part of a
much larger story. The subplots within subplots continue in the manga
which is still ongoing.
Astrobiochemist
> > the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
> > one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
> > different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
> > made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
[Snipped Text]
> My personals (other than eva) is Mahoromatic 2nd season, Abenobashi,
> Noir, and Full Metal Alchemist.
While I completely understand why you listed the other titles, what
didn't you like about the Abenobashi ending?
Phil Yff
> Phil Yff wrote on [Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:44:20 -0400]:
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:04:08 GMT, Travers Naran wrote:
>>
>>> Phil Yff wrote:
>>>> I'm waiting for "The Sopranos - Death and Rebirth" and "The End of the
>>>> Sopranos." ^-^
>>>
>>> X-D LOL!
>>>
>>> Tony = Gendo Ikari.
>>> AJ = Shinji.
>>>
>>> Where does the rest of the cast fit in?
>>
>> If "The Sopranos" follows Gainax's splendid model, this question does not
>> need to be asked or answered. The recipe for success is to mix equal
>> amounts of surrealism and splatter (a nod to Yamanade's Sunako-chan).
>> Emulsify the mixture with some obscure philosophy to make the viewers seem
>> dumb if they don't grasp the brilliance of the resulting work of art.
>
> You forget the exploitation of the female characters in compromising
> poses.
Not a problem. Imperfection is all part of the plan. Quality is not an
option. First I do Death. Then I do Death and Rebirth because I got lazy
and went to a black screen in Death. That was because Death was just a
random hodgepodge of the 86 episodes and I didn't feel any reason to be
less uncreative than my original ending - hence, the blank screen. Next
step is to do Death(true) because Death and Rebirth really didn't synch
with "The End of the Sopranos." However, that's just a prelude to the next
remake, "The Revival of the Sopranos". Oops, now I have problems with
Death(true) - apparently, it wasn't as true as it should have been. So, I
have to do some meat-grinder surgery and crank out Death(true)2.
Bottom line is if I ever get the ending right, I'm out of business. I'm
having so much fun making money off of bad endings. BTW, the next EVA
movie premieres 1 Sep of this year, ten and a half years after the first
'final' episode of the TV series aired.
Antonio E. Gonzalez
wrote:
>Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
>the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
>one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
>different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
>made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>
>'Last Exile': when we got to the end, it's like "so, this is the
>secret... really... can we ignore it and get back to the fun character
>stuff?
>
>'Outlaw Star': not only did they blow the remaining budget on the
>episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
>conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
>awhile yet...
Inuyasha - "See the rest of the story in the manga!" Yes, that's how
people *love* to see an anime series end! -_- Even Ranma 1/2 didn't
pull that shit! (an all-too appropriate counter-example)
S-CRY-ed: "FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIST!!!" In a way, an appropriate ending
to a show with ridiculously macho moments . . .
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> 'Outlaw Star': not only did they blow the remaining budget on the
> episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
> conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
> awhile yet...
Outlaw Star's ending reminded me exactly of some console RPGs I've
played. Everything goes along OK, then you get to the final dungeon,
which is just downright weird, and sticks out from the rest of the game,
the final baddie has a god-complex, and even has multiple forms requiring
multiple rounds of combat to finally defeat. After all that, everyone
sort of hangs out together, but there's really no more adventures to be
had, really.
--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.
Derek Janssen
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:33:11 -0400, Invid Fan <in...@localnet.com>
> wrote:
>
> Inuyasha - "See the rest of the story in the manga!" Yes, that's how
> people *love* to see an anime series end! -_- Even Ranma 1/2 didn't
> pull that shit! (an all-too appropriate counter-example)
Umm, actually it did:
The last TV episode ended with a "Life goes on..." moment tacked onto
the Ranma's-mom story--
While the ACTUAL Ranma & Akane finale-story from the manga (with the
dried-up Jusenkyo spring, and the Wedding That Wasn't) never did get
around to being animated.
Derek Janssen
eja...@comcast.net
Antonio E. Gonzalez
wrote:
More accurate than you think; it seems Sopranos fans are currently
split between a "loved the ending" crowd, and a "hated what they did"
crowd; now, if David Chase starts getting hate mail, and HBO's home
offices are vandalized . . .
Fish Eye no Miko
> Inuyasha - "See the rest of the story in the manga!" Yes, that's
> how people *love* to see an anime series end! -_-
Especially one they've sat through 160+ episodes of. Seriously, they
couldn't deviate from the manga and just kill off Naraku? They could
have some up with other baddies if they wanted to make movies and/or
OVAs; I'm pretty sure they did for the others.
> Even Ranma 1/2 didn't pull that shit! (an all-too
> appropriate counter-example)
Uh...
> S-CRY-ed: "FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIST!!!" In a way, an appropriate
> ending to a show with ridiculously macho moments . . .
Wait, so S-CRY-ed ending with fisting? Interesting...
Catherine Johnson. ^_~
Rob Kelk
<tna...@no-more-virii-please.direct.ca> wrote:
>Invid Fan wrote:
>> one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
>> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
>> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>
>I said it before, I'll say it again:
>
>Kiddy Grade
Another show that I'm sure I've previously complained about the ending
of: Happy Lesson TV. They had a nice multi-episode story going that
actually provided some of the characters with character development
*_and_* moved towards resolving the story, <rot-13>rira gb gur cbvag bs
bar bs gur tveyf pbasrffvat ure ybir gb Puvgbfr... naq gurl uvg gur
erfrg ohggba naq rirelobql sbetrgf jung unccrarq!</rot-13>
Grrrrr...
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- Justin Palmer, 6 June 2007
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:04:08 GMT, Travers Naran wrote:
>
>> Phil Yff wrote:
>>> I'm waiting for "The Sopranos - Death and Rebirth" and "The End of the
>>> Sopranos." ^-^
>>
>> X-D LOL!
>>
>> Tony = Gendo Ikari.
>> AJ = Shinji.
>>
>> Where does the rest of the cast fit in?
>
> If "The Sopranos" follows Gainax's splendid model, this question does not
> need to be asked or answered. The recipe for success is to mix equal
> amounts of surrealism and splatter (a nod to Yamanade's Sunako-chan).
> Emulsify the mixture with some obscure philosophy to make the viewers seem
> dumb if they don't grasp the brilliance of the resulting work of art.
>
And as the saying goes, always leave with the audience wanting more.
That way, you can get them for the Sopranos THE MOVIE. ^_^
(But who would be Rei?)
Laters. =)
Stan
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S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:40:16 -0400, Phil Yff <phil...@adelphia.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:33:11 -0400, Invid Fan wrote:
>>
>>> Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
>>> the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
>>> one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
>>> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
>>> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>>
>> I'm waiting for "The Sopranos - Death and Rebirth" and "The End of the
>> Sopranos." ^-^
>>
>
> More accurate than you think; it seems Sopranos fans are currently
> split between a "loved the ending" crowd, and a "hated what they did"
> crowd; now, if David Chase starts getting hate mail, and HBO's home
> offices are vandalized . . .
>
Eh, at least it's counterbalancing to follow a series
without blatant fanservice for a change...
Well, not that fanservice anyway. ^_^
Maniac215
Maniac215
> My personals (other than eva) is Mahoromatic 2nd season, Abenobashi,
> Noir, and Full Metal Alchemist.
>
> Ryan -
LOTS of things in Noir were really hard to buy, but the ending was all
right.
sanjian
> We already had a thread like this. See:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.anime.misc/browse_thread/thread/d339f4344205421f?hl=en
Urd forbid we should ever go over old ground. Oh noes!
sanjian
That's one of the things I liked about Simoun - they didn't try to
deconstruct Tempus Spatium.
Antonio E. Gonzalez
<AntE...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:40:16 -0400, Phil Yff <phil...@adelphia.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:33:11 -0400, Invid Fan wrote:
>>
>>> Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
>>> the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
>>> one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
>>> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
>>> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>>
>>I'm waiting for "The Sopranos - Death and Rebirth" and "The End of the
>>Sopranos." ^-^
>>
>
> More accurate than you think; it seems Sopranos fans are currently
>split between a "loved the ending" crowd, and a "hated what they did"
>crowd; now, if David Chase starts getting hate mail, and HBO's home
>offices are vandalized . . .
David Chase's own words: "It's all there. If you wanna watch it,
it's all there."
I've also heard HBO's website crashed from the flood of complaints
from viewers . . . hoo boy . . .
Travers Naran
> Mon, 11 Jun 2007 1:47pm-0700, Antonio E. Gonzalez
>
> > split between a "loved the ending" crowd, and a "hated what they did"
> > crowd; now, if David Chase starts getting hate mail, and HBO's home
> > offices are vandalized . . .
>
> Eh, at least it's counterbalancing to follow a series
> without blatant fanservice for a change...
> Well, not that fanservice anyway. ^_^
And the Badda-Bing club dancers were necessary additions to the
story?? ;-)
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
They're made guys of questionable morality, of course! ^_^
Laters. =)
STan
Freezer
win.
> - Ranma 1/2, xxxHolic: Good fadeout scenes, but, umm...could
> we have maybe had, y'know, a little *hint* that this might've
> been the finale, before the Big Surprise?
I would set Takahashi series in a different catagory, since they
tend not to end, so much as hit the big red RESET button (Maison
Ikkoku being the lone exception)
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(And don't you forget it!--
Remember, "Terrorists are Trolls, only with army-surplus shops") :)
>>- Ranma 1/2, xxxHolic: Good fadeout scenes, but, umm...could
>>we have maybe had, y'know, a little *hint* that this might've
>>been the finale, before the Big Surprise?
>
> I would set Takahashi series in a different catagory, since they
> tend not to end, so much as hit the big red RESET button (Maison
> Ikkoku being the lone exception)
Well, that's only if you take the (eesh!) "Final Chapter" movie as the
UY finale, instead of the "Cast reunion approved by the gods" TV-series
finale...
Derek Janssen (and really, why would anybody?)
eja...@comcast.net
EinarDogfin
Fish Eye no Miko <fe...@cox.net> writes:
> EinarDogfin <einar.dog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My personals (other than eva) is [snip] Full Metal Alchemist.
>
> Care to say why? I have problems with it, myself, but I'm wondering
> if your problems with it are some of the same problems I have.
> Please include a spoiler space if you give anything away.
> Thanks!
>
> Catherine Johnson.
It just came out of nowhere, I never saw it coming and it just felt to
me like they didn't want to finish the story. Not sure if I can explain
it better than that, I just remember being angry and the screen.
Ryan -
EinarDogfin
It similar to my resons for Alchemist that I just posted. I felt like I
had watched the whole show for nothing. It became so introspective that
I thought I was watching Eva again.
Ryan -
Hand-of-Omega
> Mai-HiME
>
Oh, that pissed me right the hell off!! Esp. the "Sorry about that!"
bit...So, yeah, I agree.^_^
Dex
Aya the Vampire Slayer
>On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:39:48 -0700, EinarDogfin wrote:
>> Invid Fan <in...@localnet.com> writes:
>>> What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
>>> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
>>> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>>>
>>> secret... really... can we ignore it and get back to the fun character
>>> stuff?
>>>
>>> episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
>>> conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
>>> awhile yet...
>>
>>
>> My personals (other than eva) is Mahoromatic 2nd season, Abenobashi,
>> Noir, and Full Metal Alchemist.
>>
Wolf's Rain - it ended better before the 4 OVA eps were made IMO (if
somewhat anemically)
Stellvia - should've ended at ep 13, then it would've been fine
His and Her Circumstances - while I didn't mind the last few eps, they
really needed to keep going, or at least not start a new plot arc.
EVA & Lain - if after watching the series 3 times I still need to look
up an explanation online, then it didn't really get its point across
well enough for me
Witch Hunter Robin - this didn't really tie up enough of the things i
felt that the series promised me it would.
--
"Care must be exorcised when handring Opiticar System as it is apts to
be sticked by dusts and hand-fat." --Japanese Translators
"Keep your fingers off the lens." --Elton Byington, English Translator
Phil Yff
>> Mai-HiME
>>
> Oh, that pissed me right the hell off!! Esp. the "Sorry about that!"
> bit...So, yeah, I agree.^_^
>
Mai-Otome does much better and gives you a real ending based on plot and
character.
Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
>> My personals (other than eva) is Mahoromatic 2nd season, Abenobashi,
>> Noir, and Full Metal Alchemist.
>
> right.
Yeah, I thought so too. Only thing that bothered me about the ending was
how Mireille refuses to shoot Altena, but then throws her into the
abyss. I mean, hello? She refuses to kill someone, only to kill the very
same someone 5 minutes later? o_O
cu
59cobalt
--
"My surname is Li and my personal name is Kao, and there is a slight
flaw in my character."
--Li Kao (Barry Hughart: Bridge of Birds)
Astrobiochemist
I think the ending is set-up better than the ending of Full Metal
Alchemist, by being built up over several episodes. However, it is
ambigious and open-ended, which can be bothersome if you aren't a fan
of that sort of thing.
Phil Yff
>
> Witch Hunter Robin - this didn't really tie up enough of the things i
> felt that the series promised me it would.
Certainly agree about Witch Hunter Robin. Many series capture the
audiences interest by incrementally revealing more and more of the
complexity of the fictional universe. It seems, though, when Witch Hunter
Robin tries to to do that, it is not able to handle the greater complexity.
As a result, it becomes incoherent and fragmented leading up to an ending
which leaves the viewers unsatisfied.
Abraham Evangelista
<usene...@planetcobalt.net> wrote:
>Maniac215 <Mani...@yawrong215.com> wrote:
>>> My personals (other than eva) is Mahoromatic 2nd season, Abenobashi,
>>> Noir, and Full Metal Alchemist.
>>
>> LOTS of things in Noir were really hard to buy, but the ending was all
>> right.
>
>Yeah, I thought so too. Only thing that bothered me about the ending was
>how Mireille refuses to shoot Altena, but then throws her into the
>abyss. I mean, hello? She refuses to kill someone, only to kill the very
>same someone 5 minutes later? o_O
I'd think it'd be more worrisome that she didn't shoot her the first
time. I mean, Mireille is a trained (and mostly competant) assassin.
It's not as if she's got something against killing people.
--
Abraham Evangelista
Phil Yff
>>> Witch Hunter Robin - this didn't really tie up enough of the things i
>>> felt that the series promised me it would.
>>
>> Certainly agree about Witch Hunter Robin. Many series capture the
>> audiences interest by incrementally revealing more and more of the
>> complexity of the fictional universe. It seems, though, when Witch Hunter
>> Robin tries to to do that, it is not able to handle the greater complexity.
>> As a result, it becomes incoherent and fragmented leading up to an ending
>> which leaves the viewers unsatisfied.
>>
>> Mata ato de,
>>
>> Phil Yff
>
> I'm puzzled at this. My recollection (I haven't seen the series for a
> while) is that the main story, that of Robin, was finished, in so far as
> she now has a direction to follow, with someone to watch over her just
> in case.
>
I'm not so much talking about the ending as I am about how the series fails
to follow through on its hints and foreshadowing. Most series use
foreshadowing as a device to whet the audiences interest. The heightened
anticipation provides viewers with a greater sense of reward and
satisfaction when secrets are revealed. I guess I need some spoiler space
to illustrate my point:
S
P
O
I
L
E
R
S
P
A
C
E
!
It is implied, as you state that Robin has a new direction to follow. At
the end of the anime, a witch or witch hunter is shown who one might assume
is Robin. However, it is not even conclusive that she survived the
destruction of the factory. This is what bothers a lot of people who
dislike the ending.
I, myself, am not so much concerned with the ending. IMHO, WHR starts out
very strong but meanders towards the end. We learn that Robin is the
result of a genetic engineering project but we don't learn enough about the
background of the organization behind the project or its motivations. Amon
is a very interesting character and much is hinted about his background.
I'm not saying that everything should have been an open book by the end of
the series; however, I feel that the viewing experience would have been
more rewarding had we been allowed to discover more about his backstory.
As it is, we don't even know whether or not he survived the destruction of
the factory.
These are just a couple of examples. I could list more. In spite of what
I consider to be its shortcomings, I did enjoy WHR and bought the DVDs when
they were released in the US. It's just that I feel there was some
untapped potential.
Doug Jacobs
> I would set Takahashi series in a different catagory, since they
> tend not to end, so much as hit the big red RESET button (Maison
> Ikkoku being the lone exception)
Which Mrs. Takahashi has stated is intentional. She doesn't want to
present an ending to her stories, which is why they just seem to go on and
on and on without any resolutions.
--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.
Freezer
>> I would set Takahashi series in a different catagory, since
>> they tend not to end, so much as hit the big red RESET button
>> (Maison Ikkoku being the lone exception)
>
> Which Mrs. Takahashi has stated is intentional. She doesn't
> want to present an ending to her stories, which is why they
> just seem to go on and on and on without any resolutions.
Well just because it's intentional, it doesn't mean it's not lame.
Quiddity
> Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
> the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
> one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>
> secret... really... can we ignore it and get back to the fun character
> stuff?
>
> 'Outlaw Star': not only did they blow the remaining budget on the
> episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
> conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
> awhile yet...
>
> Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us.
> 'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
> -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS
I agree about Outlaw Star. HUGE dissappointment with me. The
Galactic Leyline ended up being a big cliche and it didn't resolve
things in a manner that I enjoyed.
Eva TV, perhaps the biggest choke job of all time IMHO. It's great as
support, but imagine if that ended up being the sole ending to Eva?
Thank god that's not how things turned out.
Ideon TV as well, although like with Eva (well I should say the other
way around, it did come out in 1980 after all) it did get to fix
things with a movie. Build up to a big ending... and then it just
stops and the narrator says humanity died out. Not that we get to see
any of it of course :P
And even though its not anime, no WTF ending thread is complete to me
without a mention of the Prisoner :P
bobbie sellers
> If I don't respond to this Doug Jacobs post, the terrorists win.
>
> >> I would set Takahashi series in a different catagory, since
> >> they tend not to end, so much as hit the big red RESET button
> >> (Maison Ikkoku being the lone exception)
> >
> > Which Mrs. Takahashi has stated is intentional. She doesn't
> > want to present an ending to her stories, which is why they
> > just seem to go on and on and on without any resolutions.
>
> Well just because it's intentional, it doesn't mean it's not lame.
It depends on the intended market. Children like tales that run
on and on. A child's sense of time is vastly different from an older
person's. I used to regret when stories that I enjoyed ended but now
I see the realism of conclusions. And I hope I last until volume 12
of the Wheel of Time is out but...
I think Ms.Takahashi's short tales and somewhat longer like
Maison Ikkoku are excellent but I don't have much of an interest
in the long stories dragged out to accomodate the editors and
publishers who want them this way as well as the children.
Takahashi-sama didn't become rich by being lazy but by doing
work people want to follow and to whom editors and publishers cater.
If you want a draggy tale that goes on and on try the Gasoline
Alley strip.
later
bliss -- C O C O A Powered... (at california dot com)
--
bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco
Ningen banji Human beings do
Samazama no Every single kind
Baka a suru Of stupid thing
--- 117th edition of Haifu Yanagidaru published in 1832
Nobody
> 'Last Exile': when we got to the end, it's like "so, this is the
> secret... really... can we ignore it and get back to the fun character
> stuff?
Although it was a bit rushed, I thought that it did a pretty good job by
anime standards (i.e. it was actually an ending). Particularly the part
about Alex' final words; telling the truth was definitely *not* an option.
Bruce Grubb
"bobbie sellers" <bli...@SPAMcalifornia.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:57:04 -0500,Freezer, wrote
>
> > If I don't respond to this Doug Jacobs post, the terrorists win.
> >
> > >> I would set Takahashi series in a different catagory, since
> > >> they tend not to end, so much as hit the big red RESET button
> > >> (Maison Ikkoku being the lone exception)
> > >
> > > Which Mrs. Takahashi has stated is intentional. She doesn't
> > > want to present an ending to her stories, which is why they
> > > just seem to go on and on and on without any resolutions.
> >
> > Well just because it's intentional, it doesn't mean it's not lame.
>
> It depends on the intended market. Children like tales that run
> on and on. A child's sense of time is vastly different from an older
> person's.
This overlooks the very basic fact that the longest running TV shows
outside of news are soap operas which by their version nature have no real
ending.
Then you have the series which while it has individual complete stories
also generally has no real end.
>I used to regret when stories that I enjoyed ended but now
> I see the realism of conclusions. And I hope I last until volume 12
> of the Wheel of Time is out but...
>
> I think Ms.Takahashi's short tales and somewhat longer like
> Maison Ikkoku are excellent but I don't have much of an interest
> in the long stories dragged out to accomodate the editors and
> publishers who want them this way as well as the children.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle is a perfect counterpoint. He tried to end his
stories by throwing off his main fictional character off a waterfall. The
reaction by his adult readership forced him to bring back the character
> Takahashi-sama didn't become rich by being lazy but by doing
> work people want to follow and to whom editors and publishers cater.
>
> If you want a draggy tale that goes on and on try the Gasoline
> Alley strip.
The comic strip version of All in the Family. I would hardly call Archie
Bunker's family kiddie fair.
Nobody
> My personals (other than eva) is Mahoromatic 2nd season, Abenobashi,
> Noir, and Full Metal Alchemist.
I thought Abenobashi was okay. A lot of series use the "reset" cop-out,
but it doesn't seem so out of place in Abenobashi, which is all about
alternate realities. Also, the later episodes do start laying some ground
for the conclusion.
Freezer
> This overlooks the very basic fact that the longest running TV
> shows outside of news are soap operas which by their version
> nature have no real ending.
Except when they are about to end. Then they wrap up as many
storylines as they can (Passions) or set up an event thatsends the
show out with a bang (Search For Tommorrow - the series finale had
the show's town of Henderson destroyed by a flood).
That's kind of what "Ongoing Series" means.
Besides, when the end is coming, is it wrong to expect an actual
ending - or at least resolution to long-unresolved. (Would it have
been so very hard to write in a scene where Ranma admit their
feelings to each other? Or Ataru telling Lum that he really did
love her {Even if it was with a rather fucked-up condition})
Derek Janssen
> If I don't respond to this Bruce Grubb post, the terrorists win.
>
>
>>This overlooks the very basic fact that the longest running TV
>>shows outside of news are soap operas which by their version
>>nature have no real ending.
>
> Except when they are about to end. Then they wrap up as many
> storylines as they can (Passions) or set up an event thatsends the
> show out with a bang (Search For Tommorrow - the series finale had
> the show's town of Henderson destroyed by a flood).
Long series know the end is coming, and can plan for it in advance.
(Unless you go back to the beginning of the thread, and no, David Chase
says there WON'T be a "Sopranos movie" to wrap things up.)
Short series often leave things open for a possible 2nd-season reboot,
unless the point is about doomed end-of-the-tunnel fates, like "Cowboy
Bebop".
> That's kind of what "Ongoing Series" means.
>
> Besides, when the end is coming, is it wrong to expect an actual
> ending - or at least resolution to long-unresolved. (Would it have
> been so very hard to write in a scene where Ranma admit their
> feelings to each other?
The quickie-fadeout at the end of the Ranma TV finale suggests that the
two are starting to be more comfortable with moments of not fighting,
although they're still probably happiest when they *are* fighting, and
that's what'll probably always pass for affection between them as long
as they're still running for school--
It's only when we get big "ending" epics, like UY: Final Chapter or the
Ranma manga ending--where Rumiko tries to "wrap up" some epic adventure,
and then STILL cops out with having our lovable fightin' couple forever
running from their army of wacky tormentors anyway in the last image,
arguing all the way--that it seems like a back-door cheat.
> Or Ataru telling Lum that he really did
> love her {Even if it was with a rather fucked-up condition})
Some would argue that that classic "Were they caught kissing, or weren't
they?" moment in the "cast-reunion" UY TV finale does a better tease of
wrapping up the series without "ending" it, MILES ahead of Rumiko's own
ponderous "Inaba" and "Final Chapter" epics... ^_^
Derek Janssen
eja...@comcast.net
sanjian
Which is the only rational thing to do.
sanjian
> If I don't respond to this Bruce Grubb post, the terrorists win.
>
>> This overlooks the very basic fact that the longest running TV
>> shows outside of news are soap operas which by their version
>> nature have no real ending.
>
> Except when they are about to end. Then they wrap up as many
> storylines as they can (Passions) or set up an event thatsends the
> show out with a bang (Search For Tommorrow - the series finale had
> the show's town of Henderson destroyed by a flood).
>
> That's kind of what "Ongoing Series" means.
>
> Besides, when the end is coming, is it wrong to expect an actual
> ending - or at least resolution to long-unresolved. (Would it have
> been so very hard to write in a scene where Ranma admit their
> feelings to each other? Or Ataru telling Lum that he really did
> love her {Even if it was with a rather fucked-up condition})
Ahh, but Ataru did. Just not in words.
Inu-Yasha
"bobbie sellers" <bli...@SPAMcalifornia.com> wrote in message
news:107554791762900...@News.Individual.NET...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:57:04 -0500,Freezer, wrote
>
>> If I don't respond to this Doug Jacobs post, the terrorists win.
>>
>> >> I would set Takahashi series in a different catagory, since
>> >> they tend not to end, so much as hit the big red RESET button
>> >> (Maison Ikkoku being the lone exception)
>> >
>> > Which Mrs. Takahashi has stated is intentional. She doesn't
>> > want to present an ending to her stories, which is why they
>> > just seem to go on and on and on without any resolutions.
>>
>> Well just because it's intentional, it doesn't mean it's not lame.
>
> It depends on the intended market. Children like tales that run
> on and on. A child's sense of time is vastly different from an older
> person's. I used to regret when stories that I enjoyed ended but now
> I see the realism of conclusions. And I hope I last until volume 12
> of the Wheel of Time is out but...
>
> I think Ms.Takahashi's short tales and somewhat longer like
> Maison Ikkoku are excellent but I don't have much of an interest
> in the long stories dragged out to accomodate the editors and
> publishers who want them this way as well as the children.
> Takahashi-sama didn't become rich by being lazy but by doing
> work people want to follow and to whom editors and publishers cater.
>
> If you want a draggy tale that goes on and on try the Gasoline
> Alley strip.
is my namesake, Inu-Yasha. Plus the IIRC 2nd movie blasted hell out of the
series by killing you know who. Now the ending of Mermaid Saga (a manga
tho), was pretty good even tho it would appear the story goes on (of course
it does, they can't die).
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Inu-Yasha
"Invid Fan" <in...@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:110620070233119731%in...@localnet.com...
> Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
> the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
> one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>
> secret... really... can we ignore it and get back to the fun character
> stuff?
>
> episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
> conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
> awhile yet...
>
> --
> Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us.
> 'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
> -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS
Shakugan no Shana, while I liked the anime, it ended by becomeing almost
like the begining "I won't Let You Win!"
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
sanjian
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:39:48 -0700, EinarDogfin wrote:
>>> Invid Fan <in...@localnet.com> writes:
>>>> What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
>>>> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My
>>>> choices, made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>>>>
>>>> 'Last Exile': when we got to the end, it's like "so, this is the
>>>> secret... really... can we ignore it and get back to the fun
>>>> character stuff?
>>>>
>>>> 'Outlaw Star': not only did they blow the remaining budget on the
>>>> episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
>>>> conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
>>>> awhile yet...
>>>
>>> Evangelion is gonna be the fan favorite I think.
>>>
>>> My personals (other than eva) is Mahoromatic 2nd season, Abenobashi,
>>> Noir, and Full Metal Alchemist.
>>>
>> Mai-HiME
>
> Wolf's Rain - it ended better before the 4 OVA eps were made IMO (if
> somewhat anemically)
>
> Stellvia - should've ended at ep 13, then it would've been fine
>
> His and Her Circumstances - while I didn't mind the last few eps, they
> really needed to keep going, or at least not start a new plot arc.
How could you not like Kare Kano? That series was one of the best in all of
anime. A shame it didn't go past six episodes. *nod*nod*
Inu-Yasha
"Bruce Grubb" <bgr...@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:bgrubb-8D0540....@news.zianet.com...
Are we talking about the same comic strip, or did I just miss your change to
some other strip? Gasoline Alley is about as unlike Archie Bunker as
anything I can think of. It's more like that Canadian strip (cn't recall
the title to save my soul), about the Dentist, his wife and their kids (2
grown up and 1 in high school).
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Inu-Yasha
"Mehdi Tibouchi" <med...@alussinan.org> wrote in message
news:f4jmgf$mi1$1...@nef.ens.fr...
> Sea Wasp wrote in message <466D3DD1...@sgeObviousinc.com>:
>>
>> Now, Neon Genesis Evangelion, there's a show with a bad ending.
>
> I thought the last two episodes were the best in the series by a long
> shot :-).
>
> As for Last Exile, the ending may have been a bit rushed and
> anticlimactic, but I still wouldn't call it bad. When thinking of bad
> endings, shows like Scrapped Princess, Kiddy Grade or Mai HiME come to
> mind (they're bad enough to make an otherwise enjoyable show look pretty
> crappy in retrospect).
>
> The most recent pantheon-class bad ending I can think of is probably
> Nishi no yoki majo. The show looked promising at the beginning. As the
> series progressed, the plot thickened in possibly interesting directions
> and then... kept thickening and thickening until they realized, around
> episode 12, that this was a 13-episode show.
Well put, I'm thinking that is a nice descriptive term for all the really
bad endings ie ...25th ep and realized it was a 26 episode series and so
on. ^___^;
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Inu-Yasha
"Phil Yff" <phil...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:vratyf2uhkl4$.1pfejjsl3l1b6.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:33:11 -0400, Invid Fan wrote:
>
>> the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
>> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
>> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>
> Sopranos." ^-^
Isn't that the next Final Fantasy move/game??
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Aje RavenStar
"Inu-Yasha" <tjar...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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For Better or For Worse
Inu-Yasha
"EinarDogfin" <einar....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:874plev...@gmail.com...
> Invid Fan <in...@localnet.com> writes:
>
>> Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
>> the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings, so I figured I'd start
>> one here :) What show, which you enjoyed, had a bad ending? Lots of
>> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
>> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>>
>> secret... really... can we ignore it and get back to the fun character
>> stuff?
>>
>> 'Outlaw Star': not only did they blow the remaining budget on the
>> episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
>> conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
>> awhile yet...
>>
>
> Evangelion is gonna be the fan favorite I think.
>
> My personals (other than eva) is Mahoromatic 2nd season, Abenobashi,
> Noir, and Full Metal Alchemist.
Yeah, I forgot about FMA. Even tho the Movie tried to give an ending, it
wasn't all there, and that is still not a part of the series.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^-^
Now Chrono Crusade while a more or less complete ending was not a happy one
for followers of the series (I was one such).
>
> Ryan -
Inu-Yasha
>
> Fish Eye no Miko <fe...@cox.net> writes:
>
>> EinarDogfin <einar.dog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My personals (other than eva) is [snip] Full Metal Alchemist.
>>
>> Care to say why? I have problems with it, myself, but I'm wondering
>> if your problems with it are some of the same problems I have.
>> Please include a spoiler space if you give anything away.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Catherine Johnson.
>
> It just came out of nowhere, I never saw it coming and it just felt to
> me like they didn't want to finish the story. Not sure if I can explain
> it better than that, I just remember being angry and the screen.
>
> Ryan -
Spoiler
Space
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I would say it is because we expected ed to get the Winry, and Al to get
one of the other girls, say maybe May Chang or the librarian girl, not Ed
die and Al maybe get the girl (it's been a couple of months since I wached
the end, so my recolection is hazy). I also tend to get the manga and the
anime confused, since there at times was a lot of the anime closly following
the manga.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
If I'm screwed up on this, please be kind.
Inu-Yasha
"Aya the Vampire Slayer" <ry...@gehennom.rmv.this.part.net> wrote in message
news:f4m5fe$8th$1...@news-int2.gatech.edu...
> Phil Yff <phil...@adelphia.net> wa:
>>On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:39:48 -0700, EinarDogfin wrote:
>>> Invid Fan <in...@localnet.com> writes:
>>>> different definitions of what that might mean, naturally. My choices,
>>>> made at 2 AM so forgive possible memory problems:
>>>>
>>>> 'Last Exile': when we got to the end, it's like "so, this is the
>>>> secret... really... can we ignore it and get back to the fun character
>>>> stuff?
>>>>
>>>> 'Outlaw Star': not only did they blow the remaining budget on the
>>>> episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
>>>> conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
>>>> awhile yet...
>>>
>>> Evangelion is gonna be the fan favorite I think.
>>>
>>> My personals (other than eva) is Mahoromatic 2nd season, Abenobashi,
>>> Noir, and Full Metal Alchemist.
>>>
>
> Wolf's Rain - it ended better before the 4 OVA eps were made IMO (if
> somewhat anemically)
>
> Stellvia - should've ended at ep 13, then it would've been fine
>
> His and Her Circumstances - while I didn't mind the last few eps, they
> really needed to keep going, or at least not start a new plot arc.
>
> up an explanation online, then it didn't really get its point across
> well enough for me
>
> Witch Hunter Robin - this didn't really tie up enough of the things i
> felt that the series promised me it would.
Tru that.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
>
>
> --
> "Care must be exorcised when handring Opiticar System as it is apts to
> be sticked by dusts and hand-fat." --Japanese Translators
>
> "Keep your fingers off the lens." --Elton Byington, English Translator
Inu-Yasha
"Doug Jacobs" <dja...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> Invid Fan <in...@localnet.com> wrote:
>
>> 'Outlaw Star': not only did they blow the remaining budget on the
>> episode 25 'spa' scenes, but the last episode is such a rushed
>> conclusion you'd think they hadn't planned on rapping things up for
>> awhile yet...
>
> played. Everything goes along OK, then you get to the final dungeon,
> which is just downright weird, and sticks out from the rest of the game,
> the final baddie has a god-complex, and even has multiple forms requiring
> multiple rounds of combat to finally defeat. After all that, everyone
> sort of hangs out together, but there's really no more adventures to be
> had, really.
So... you've been playing console RPG's too huh?
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Misty Steele
Aah, Lain! My favourite series of all time. I thought the ending was
excellent, and I didn't have problems understanding, but I might have
just gotten it wrong. My favourite kind of anime is when it's
complicated like that.
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> Freezer wrote:
>
>> If I don't respond to this Bruce Grubb post, the terrorists win.
>>
>>
>>> This overlooks the very basic fact that the longest running TV
>>> shows outside of news are soap operas which by their version
>>> nature have no real ending.
>>
>> Except when they are about to end. Then they wrap up as many storylines as
>> they can (Passions) or set up an event thatsends the show out with a bang
>> (Search For Tommorrow - the series finale had the show's town of Henderson
>> destroyed by a flood).
>
> Long series know the end is coming, and can plan for it in advance.
> (Unless you go back to the beginning of the thread, and no, David Chase says
> there WON'T be a "Sopranos movie" to wrap things up.)
>
Chase also said everything was there in the finale to see.
Kinda like what Anno insinuated too. Then he still made the movie. ^_^
That reminds me: they're STILL talking about the Sopranos finale
in the airwaves. When's the last time that happened to a _TV_ series?!
Laters. =)
Stan
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Well now, we're talking about a family series here! ^_^
Laters. =)
STan
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Freezer
> Are we talking about the same comic strip, or did I just miss
> your change to some other strip? Gasoline Alley is about as
> unlike Archie Bunker as anything I can think of. It's more
> like that Canadian strip (cn't recall the title to save my
> soul), about the Dentist, his wife and their kids (2 grown up
> and 1 in high school).
You're thinking For Better or For Worse. I think *he's* thinking
of Crankshaft.
Freezer
win.
> That reminds me: they're STILL talking about the Sopranos
> finale in the airwaves. When's the last time that happened to
> a _TV_ series?!
Seinfeld's finale (For many of the same "THAT WAS IT?!?" reasons)
Derek Janssen
> If I don't respond to this S.t.A.n.L.e.E post, the terrorists
> win.
>
>
>>That reminds me: they're STILL talking about the Sopranos
>>finale in the airwaves. When's the last time that happened to
>>a _TV_ series?!
>
> Seinfeld's finale (For many of the same "THAT WAS IT?!?" reasons)
Well, Seinfeld at least *had* an It to be That Was'ed:
Every act-of-jerkdom Jerry did for the entire series now backfired on
him, and he's stuck doing his standup intros in prison...Hey, karma's
better than NOTHING!
(And yeah, think Seinfeld was the previous record-holder for debated
endings--
Can't even remember what happened in the last Frasier or Cosby, and
Cheers didn't even get half the coverage the post-show Jay Leno booze-up
did.)
Derek Janssen
eja...@comcast.net
Antonio E. Gonzalez
<free...@hotSPAMTHISmail.com> wrote:
>If I don't respond to this Bruce Grubb post, the terrorists win.
>
>> This overlooks the very basic fact that the longest running TV
>> shows outside of news are soap operas which by their version
>> nature have no real ending.
>
>Except when they are about to end. Then they wrap up as many
>storylines as they can (Passions) or set up an event thatsends the
>show out with a bang (Search For Tommorrow - the series finale had
>the show's town of Henderson destroyed by a flood).
>
>That's kind of what "Ongoing Series" means.
>
. . .
You watch soap operas?!
BTW, that would be *US* soap operas; Latin American soap operas
("Telenovelas") usually wrap up after a year . . .
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S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> If I don't respond to this S.t.A.n.L.e.E post, the terrorists
> win.
>
>> That reminds me: they're STILL talking about the Sopranos
>> finale in the airwaves. When's the last time that happened to
>> a _TV_ series?!
>
> Seinfeld's finale (For many of the same "THAT WAS IT?!?" reasons)
>
The Sopranos is more like what exactly happened in the end,
give us 2 more minutes!!!
Laters. =)
STan
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Freezer
win.
> . . .
>
> You watch soap operas?!
Used to. For about a decade I was a serious devotee to both All My
Children and Days of Our Lives. Still catch the occasional AMC on
SoapNet - even though all the characters I recognize are HORRIBLY
HORRIBLY OLD NOW! :(
bobbie sellers
Gasoline Alley and All in the Family are at opposite ends of the
spectrum of content. Gasoline Alley depicts a mostly WASP family undergoing
changes thru the years of the mid-20th Century from the 1920s to the 1980(as
best I can recall). All in the Family depicts a blue collar worker whose
family is moving forward and who is being dragged into the then present
by the family's momentum. I grew up when Archie would have been considered
a normal person and am happy that such attitudes became a suitable topic
for humor.
> > Are we talking about the same comic strip, or did I just miss your change
> > to some other strip? Gasoline Alley is about as unlike Archie Bunker as
> > anything I can think of. It's more like that Canadian strip (cn't recall
> > the title to save my soul), about the Dentist, his wife and their kids (2
> > grown up and 1 in high school).
> >
> > Inu-Yasha
> > Feh!! ^_^
>
> For Better or For Worse
>
For Better or For Worse is very like Gasoline Alley in content
and events portrayed but the tempo is far faster. If it runs as
long as GA they will depict generations as yet unborn to whom the
founders will be venerated but unknown except to their grandparents.
And the kids are more grown up and more out in the world than Inu-Yasha
describes. I read it in the SF Chronicle every Sunday. I used to
read GA too but I never was much into the complicated life stories
that went on and on. I came into the story midway between the beginning
and the end of the strip and didn't know much about the characters due
to my age at the time.
Aya the Vampire Slayer
>"EinarDogfin" <einar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Fish Eye no Miko <fe...@cox.net> writes:
>>> EinarDogfin <einar.dog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My personals (other than eva) is [snip] Full Metal Alchemist.
>>>
>>> Care to say why? I have problems with it, myself, but I'm wondering
>>> if your problems with it are some of the same problems I have.
>>> Please include a spoiler space if you give anything away.
>>> Thanks!
>>
>> me like they didn't want to finish the story. Not sure if I can explain
>> it better than that, I just remember being angry and the screen.
>>
For Full Metal Alchemist TV
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>I would say it is because we expected ed to get the Winry, and Al to get
>one of the other girls, say maybe May Chang or the librarian girl, not Ed
>die and Al maybe get the girl (it's been a couple of months since I wached
>the end, so my recolection is hazy). I also tend to get the manga and the
>anime confused, since there at times was a lot of the anime closly following
>the manga.
For me, I felt throughout the series that Winry was stuck at the bum-end
of a one-sided crush on Ed. I never got from Ed that he really liked her
as more than just a friend, or as his mechanic. Al seemed embarassed at
times about Winry's straight-forwardness / no-nonsense attitude, but I
didn't really interpret his resulting blushing as a crush. For Ed, if he
had to end up with someone, I feel Rose would've been most appropriate
(despite the fact that I didn't like her much...).
The only people I felt should've definitely "gotten togehter" would've
been Mustang and Hawkeye. Some of the end scenes in the TV series
supported this idea, but they were also vague enough that it was
impossible to tell for sure. The movie only served to make this even
more ambiguous.
What I felt FMA lacked in the ending was that it felt horribly horribly
rushed. Compared to the rest of the series' slow methodic build,
dropping hints here and there, etc, to suddenly have the pace cranked to
full throttle in the last 6 eps or so was very jarring to me.
The biggest thing that this sudden rushed pace messed up for me was
sheer amount of data that got thrown in our faces about how the gate
worked. I couldn't tell if inconsistencies had been introduced because
of the rush to end the series or if I just wasn't getting it.
So, what exactly happens to the body and spirit of someone who goes into
the gate, and what if they die while on the other side? Al was a strange
example, and much of what started confusing me was Al's experiences
compared to Ed's, Hohenheim's and Wrath's (Wrath's body aged in the gate
but Al's didn't? -- if the homunculi are soulless, then Al's soul not
being present with his body doesn't necessarily explain this...).
Why can you do instant transmutations if you've seen the gate (Al before
and Al after getting his body back served to confuse what I had
understood about this)? What happened to the human transmutation plot
thread, and the Homunculi feeding on the red stones? How does that work
with what we now know about the gate? And how do the Gatelings play into
that?
Really, if I'm just not getting the obvious, could someone please
explain, or otherwise direct me to a good summary/explanation about
how this all fits together?
Jorge A Pratt
"sanjian" <mun...@vt.edu> escribió en el mensaje
news:f4q020$n3q$1...@solaris.cc.vt.edu...
Er, what? Kare Kano went way past six episodes. That's exactly why it had a
non-ending --the school festival they were building up to around episode 20
and beyond simply never happened, and the series left many character arcs
hanging.
--
Jorge A. Pratt
dbbrandell
Methinks a joke mayhaps perhaps.
Caveat: I've never seen it. So I'm just guessing that some think it
would have been better if it had ended at six.
It's the "There are no Evangelion movies" syndrome. :)
DBB
"There are no eps after six... no,really... it's all just an evil
rumor... honest..." :)
Pete Granzeau
I don't know if it was discussed or not, but the final episode of M*A*S*H
may have had the previous record for interest at the end of a long series.
Freezer
win.
Still hold the record for most watched non-sports event, in terms
of ratings. (I think three or four Super Bowls and the 9/11
coverage are the only things that trump it)
Bruce Grubb
Freezer <free...@hotSPAMTHISmail.com> wrote:
> If I don't respond to this Bruce Grubb post, the terrorists win.
>
> > This overlooks the very basic fact that the longest running TV
> > shows outside of news are soap operas which by their version
> > nature have no real ending.
>
> Except when they are about to end. Then they wrap up as many
> storylines as they can (Passions) or set up an event thatsends the
> show out with a bang (Search For Tommorrow - the series finale had
> the show's town of Henderson destroyed by a flood).
Regular series are little better. For example the ending to Blake's 7 is
regarded by many fans as a total botch up. The ending to STNG makes no
sense if you think about it (if the anti-time rift got larger the further
back in time then eventually it would fill the entire universe and then no
big bang and no Q Continuum) plus it was not really the ending.
Don't even get my started on DS9's ending ("Tears of the Prophets") that
was not really an ending and the show happily went on for another season.
> That's kind of what "Ongoing Series" means.
>
> Besides, when the end is coming, is it wrong to expect an actual
> ending - or at least resolution to long-unresolved. (Would it have
> been so very hard to write in a scene where Ranma admit their
> feelings to each other?
Given their egos and their unwillingness to being forced into anything very
hard. Also it wouldn't really solve anything in the series even if they
did.
Derek Janssen
>>>
>>>>That reminds me: they're STILL talking about the Sopranos
>>>>finale in the airwaves. When's the last time that happened to
>>>>a _TV_ series?!
>>>
>>>Seinfeld's finale (For many of the same "THAT WAS IT?!?" reasons)
>>
>>Well, Seinfeld at least *had* an It to be That Was'ed:
>>Every act-of-jerkdom Jerry did for the entire series now backfired on
>>him, and he's stuck doing his standup intros in prison...Hey, karma's
>>better than NOTHING!
>>
>>(And yeah, think Seinfeld was the previous record-holder for debated
>>endings--
>>Can't even remember what happened in the last Frasier or Cosby, and
>>Cheers didn't even get half the coverage the post-show Jay Leno booze-up
>>did.)
>
> I don't know if it was discussed or not, but the final episode of M*A*S*H
> may have had the previous record for interest at the end of a long series.
It was noticed for getting good *ratings* (and beating out the
"Fugitive" finale for the record books), but not for being widely
debated over--Okay, quick, what happened in it?
(In fact, some viewers felt that Alan Alda and Larry Gelbart's
several-season slip into Emmy-Winning Pretentiousness had finally jumped
the shark with the finale, and when we got the "Hawkeye goes mad and
turns the episode into an off-Broadway play" plot, there was some
general feeling of "Goodbye, Farewell, and Good Riddance".)
Derek Janssen
eja...@comcast.net
Doug Jacobs
> > Outlaw Star's ending reminded me exactly of some console RPGs I've
> > played. Everything goes along OK, then you get to the final dungeon,
> > which is just downright weird, and sticks out from the rest of the game,
> > the final baddie has a god-complex, and even has multiple forms requiring
> > multiple rounds of combat to finally defeat. After all that, everyone
> > sort of hangs out together, but there's really no more adventures to be
> > had, really.
> So... you've been playing console RPG's too huh?
OS really felt like a RPG. Each character would have their own weapon &
special abilities. You'd have to buy shells for Gene's gun, for instance,
whereas Aisha would rely more on learned abilities. There's also the
"other combat mode" ala Xenogears/saga with the spaceship grappling. They
could even have Hildi join your party and kill her off later.
Although, if OS had been an RPG, you probably wouldn't have had nearly the
amount of naked catgirl Aisha goodness that the show had. For some
reason, nudity in manga and anime is OK, but in video games, it causes
problems. (not that any such shenanigans would have survived the
localization for the US...)
Doug Jacobs
> And even though its not anime, no WTF ending thread is complete to me
> without a mention of the Prisoner :P
Prisoner wasn't as bad as Blake's 7, which seems to be very similar to the
Soprano's ending (I don't watch Soprano's, so I can't say for sure.)
A friend of mine pointed out that the whole meaning of the final episode
of The Prisoner hinges on one exchange of dialog where The Prisoner
demands to know who is number one, and the answer he gets is:
"You are number two" - or is it? See, if you stick in a comma, the
sentence suddenly takes on a much more interesting meaning: "You are,
number two."
The spoken dialog is juuuust ambiguous enough so we can't be certain which
one was intended.
It's similar to the final line from 12 Monkeys. The actual line is "I'm
in insurance", but some thought she said "I'm an insurance". When
informed of the alternative interpretation, Terry Gilliam was most amused.
As for anime with bad endings, what was up with that one show Adult Swim
showed a few years ago called Blue...something or other. It was this
badly written futuristic story where Earth is overrun by these
mutant/alien monsters designed by someone with severe "woman issues". At
the end of the show, I still wasn't sure what the whole point of the show
was, as I was still fuzzy about what the blue (aforementioned monsters)
were exactly, and why the other humans suddenly killed themselves off.
Doug Jacobs
> Seinfeld's finale (For many of the same "THAT WAS IT?!?" reasons)
Did they really expect anything different? After all, if Seinfeld was the
show about nothing, why should the finale have been any different?
(actually, one friend of mine thought the ending was very fitting, as he
hated the characters and felt they 'got what they deserved'.)
Juan F. Lara
Invid Fan <in...@localnet.com> wrote:
>Well, the ending of The Sopranos has caused some to start a thread in
>the tv newsgroup about the worst series endings
I hated the ending to "Tenchi Universe". Ryoko's death made for a
dramatic later episode, and most of the last ep was a poignant summary of the
characters building their own lives. But then Ryoko turns up alive after all,
and everyone came back. So all the themes of this series got screwed over. :-P
This ending completely ruined the series.
- Juan F. Lara
Freezer
> As for anime with bad endings, what was up with that one show
> Adult Swim showed a few years ago called Blue...something or
> other. It was this badly written futuristic story where Earth
> is overrun by these mutant/alien monsters designed by someone
> with severe "woman issues". At the end of the show, I still
> wasn't sure what the whole point of the show was, as I was
> still fuzzy about what the blue (aforementioned monsters) were
> exactly, and why the other humans suddenly killed themselves
> off.
Blue Gender is the show. IIRC, the big reveal at the end was
that the creatures who had overrun the Earth and wiped out most
of humanity were basically Earth's immune response to an
infestation of Humans (or more specifically, Humanity's
consumtpion of resources without regard for the planet's future).
It was up to the survivors to rebuild, presumably keeping in mind
what happened before.
To me, that wasn't someone with woman issues as someone with
issues with people in general (See also: Blue Sub. #6)
Chris Kuan
> Prisoner wasn't as bad as Blake's 7, which seems to be very similar to
> the Soprano's ending (I don't watch Soprano's, so I can't say for
> sure.)
I thought the sheer amount of noise at the end of Blake's 7 was
unambiguous? At least in terms of events, if not outcomes.
--
Chris
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sanjian
Kind of sad, compared to some of the earlier episodes that had a much better
impact, like Blake's death.