Re: [Randon] Digest for randon@googlegroups.com - 6 Messages in 1 Topic
Contzen Kevin
Regards,
Kevin Contzen
On Feb 11, 2012, at 1102, ran...@googlegroups.com wrote:
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> • EN1150 vests [6 Updates]
> EN1150 vests
> • Chris Cullum <cullum...@gmail.com> Feb 10 12:15PM -0800
> •
> •
> • > Other than certification by virtue of meeting the standard, do these
> • > vests actually perform any better than the vests we've been using, that
> • > don't meet the EN1150 standard?
> •
> • >From my experience at PBP I would say yes. On average cyclists at PBP
> • seemed much more visible than what we generally use here on a typical
> • NA brevet. I have continued to use my vest here because I think it is
> • a better solution than what I was using before. I have bin full of
> • belts, vests, straps that are all fairly lame in some respect.
> •
> • Where is the info about the EN1150 certified Gore Bike Wear vest?
> •
> • Eric Norris <campyo...@me.com> Feb 10 12:20PM -0800
> •
> • I have a digital photo frame on my desk loaded with a variety of pictures, including a number from PBP in 2007 and 2011. The 2011 photos are instantly recognizable by the bright yellow vests that everyone was wearing. Riders in '11 were definitely more visible than they were four years earlier.
> •
> • I, too, continue to use my PBP vest on my nighttime rides.
> •
> • --Eric N
> •
> •
> • Eric Keller <eeke...@psu.edu> Feb 10 03:50PM -0500
> •
> • > in '11 were definitely more visible than they were four years earlier.
> •
> • > I, too, continue to use my PBP vest on my nighttime rides.
> •
> • > --Eric N
> •
> • I'm commuting in mine now, it's far superior to the RUSA sash I was using
> • before. I thing the official vest was the best I saw, I didn't think that
> • much of the MAVIC vest, and they should have pulled the one guy I saw in
> • the Rapha vest. The Rapha vest was a joke, he was barely visible.
> •
> • "Susan Otcenas" <su...@teamestrogen.com> Feb 10 01:12PM -0800
> •
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> • -----Original Message-----
> • From: ran...@googlegroups.com [mailto:ran...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Cullum
> • Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:16 PM
> • To: randon
> • Subject: [Randon] Re: EN1150 vests
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • > Other than certification by virtue of meeting the standard, do these
> • > vests actually perform any better than the vests we've been using,
> • > that don't meet the EN1150 standard?
> •
> • >From my experience at PBP I would say yes. On average cyclists at PBP seemed much more visible than what we generally use here on a typical NA brevet. I have continued to use my vest here because I think it is a better solution than what I was using before. I have bin full of belts, vests, straps that are all fairly lame in some respect.
> •
> • Where is the info about the EN1150 certified Gore Bike Wear vest?
> •
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> • WMdeR <wmder...@gmail.com> Feb 10 04:27PM -0800
> •
> • Dear Steve,
> •
> • The RUSA/ACP/PBP event hi-vis vests performed their stated function
> • better than the solutions I've seen at domestic brevets other than
> • Reflexite DOT-style vests.
> •
> • I wasn't at PBP in 2007, but if you had your headlight turned on, you
> • saw folks at night. Headlights have improved immensely since 2007 as
> • well. Even the cheap ones are better than the pretty-good lights from
> • prior to the high-power LED revolution. Riding against the crowd
> • coming out of Brest, in the fog and rain, told the tale. You could
> • tell the ones who had halogen systems (dim yellow things they were),
> • and the ones who had chosen high-output lights with symmetrical beams.
> •
> • I stand behind my mixed review of the L2s vests--they do two things
> • well (reflect and be visible in low light), but they're bulky, not
> • terribly well-fitted, absorb water, and aren't windproof but are still
> • kinda stuffy. A bulky single-purpose garment? I kept mine, as a
> • souvenir, but for riding? Time to seek alternatives. I used the
> • (then) hard-to-find Mavic Vision vest, which was windproof, fitted,
> • compact, and still was an adequate aid to conspicuity. I'll look
> • forward to the Gore product.
> •
> • Moving afield, the only darkriders I saw there were too many folks
> • eking out the last bit of power from their battery lights on the third
> • night, and a few riders with non-standard vests (like that ineffective
> • pink Rapha vest) that must have just either squeaked through the
> • inspection, or who used a different hi-vis solution at the event than
> • at inspection. I don't think I saw a generator-powered solution that
> • went sour on the road.
> •
> • Cheers,
> •
> • Will
> • William M. deRosset
> • Fort Collins, CO
> •
> •
> •
> • Chris Heg <che...@comcast.net> Feb 10 07:16PM -0800
> •
> • I really like the PBP vests for visibility but didn't care much for
> • the fit. FWIW, I modified my RUSA PBP vest in the following ways:
> •
> • Removed the stretch fabric edging from the neck, folded the collar
> • over and sewed it to 1/2 the height. That helped a lot with the neck
> • irritation.
> • Put mesh panels in the shoulders and the upper back to improve
> • ventilation. Helps some.
> • Sewed the loose inner flap on the pocket access holes so I can get my
> • hand in and out without tangling, even with gloves on.
> • Added a mesh pocket on the lower back with 3M reflective fabric
> • edging.
> • Removed most of the stretch fabric edging from the waist and arm holes
> • and replaced it with non-stretchy cloth so it doesn't bunch and ride
> • up .
> •
> • Point is you have the option of making it what you would like it to be
> • if you can tolerate the fabric properties
> •
> • I did see some very marginal vests on the road at PBP but most people
> • were very visible. The downside was that everyone looked pretty much
> • the same at night, you couldn't tell who was around you.
> •
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