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John Hughes
Aug 19, 2010, 9:12:36 AM8/19/10
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I live in Colorado where winter is real—I ride but I also snowshoe and
XC ski. My favorite place to XC ski is Fraser where it may be below 0 F
when we get up and in the single digits when we head out. To keep my
water from freezing I use a small (50 oz?) hydration pack that I can
wear under a couple of layers of clothing. I fitted insulation over the
tube to keep it from icing up. You can get an insulated cover to go
over the nipple. After drinking I just blow back into the nipple to
clear the water so it doesn't freeze. I wear the same hydration pack under clothing when cycling.
While I was editor of UltraCycling we published an article by Dr. Ed Burke on hydration and nutrition requirements in the winter. Ed was a professor of sports science and expert on training for cycling at UC Colorado Springs.
http://www.ultracycling.com/training/coldweathertraining.html
--
Cheers,
John Hughes
www.coach-hughes.com
PO Box 18028
Boulder, CO 80308-1028
While I was editor of UltraCycling we published an article by Dr. Ed Burke on hydration and nutrition requirements in the winter. Ed was a professor of sports science and expert on training for cycling at UC Colorado Springs.
http://www.ultracycling.com/training/coldweathertraining.html
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:58 AM, <randon+...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Group: http://groups.google.com/group/randon/topics
- Headlights [3 Updates]
- R12 in the Northeast [3 Updates]
Topic: HeadlightsBob Cooper RUSA 937 <robert...@frontiernet.net> Aug 17 06:13PM -0700 ^
"DeNotte ... the separate battery clip and light is not optimal for
commuting."
I have two of these. The system of attaching to the handlebar is
pretty cool and not as much trouble to do as one might think, from
looking at photos.
B&B Gear / Richard Stum <in...@bgear.com> Aug 17 10:42PM -0600 ^
The Sigma PowerLED Black Pro light system works EITHER with a
rechargeable Lion external battery OR with internal AAs for commuting
and convenience.
http://www.bgear.com/store/index.php/lighting/bicycle-lights/l8350.html
Richard Stum
http://www.bgear.com | Brevet gear site
http://www.RandoRichard.com | Blog
WillemJ <willem....@gmail.com> Aug 18 06:04AM -0700 ^
Did you get in touch with B&M? They are very good with warranty
problems.
Willem
Topic: R12 in the Northeastsekhem313 <sekh...@yahoo.com> Aug 17 11:08AM -0700 ^
> What are your experiences with riding brevets in colder weather, and
> do you have any tips for tackling this challenge?
yep- you know that you've gone cracky when you insist on riding a 200K on a day when the high temp was 16 degrees...
This is what I've learned so far-
*stay away from anything containing nylon as a baselayer (e.g., armorall)- it retains moisture and will make you colder. I use multiple layers of wool or silk that breathe well and will keep you warm even when wet.
*mittons are better than gloves (or better yet- glove liner+gloves+mittons).
*chemical warmers sometimes don't work well inside of shoes or if you are wearing multiple layerrs over your hands. They need air to work and that sort of defeats the purpose because that air is likely to be cold.
*i've got frost bite damage in both feet- despite multiple layers of booties and the thickest wool socks I could find. this year I plan on pitching the cycling shoes, installing clips and using UGGS or Sorel boots. Fashion be damned.
*dressing in layers so you resemble an onion slows you down. So will conditions that will freeze your eyeballs. Plan for extra time on the bike.
*I haven't figured out the frozen bottle problem yet. Insulated bottles are useless after 30 minutes under those conditions. Sticking the bottles inside my jersey/jacket usually means I'll end up with both frozen bottles and soaked frozen shorts.... :(~
*give yourself permission to use some common sense- this is supposed to be a recreational sport, after all :)
cherio and ride well
Tammie
Eric Keller <eeke...@psu.edu> Aug 17 02:27PM -0400 ^
> do you have any tips for tackling this challenge?
> Thanks!
> - Lynda Beaulieu
Multiple pairs of gloves and chemical hand warmers. I really don't
think that you need all that much clothing to be warm as long as your
extremities are warm. In fact, I suspect it's counter-productive.
But if your gloves get wet, you are going to want to be able to change
them periodically, and a wet winter brevet is going to take a while.
One of the happiest moments in my randonneuring career was when I
realized I had another pair of gloves in my seat pack. I would also
say that if the forecast is for high winds and extremely low
temperatures, wait for another day.
I completed an R-12 my first year of randonneuring. I really
appreciate all the work that Tom Rosenbauer, Bill Olsen, Andrew Mead
and Rick Carpenter have done to make it possible for me to complete an
R-12. It doesn't seem too unreasonable to travel 6 hours to do a
200k, I used to travel at least that far every weekend when I was
racing and I travel 3 hours round trip to Tom's series. I have also
met randonneurs that traveled considerably further every month to
complete an R-12. Paradoxically, I had the most trouble with the
summer months where my schedule conflicted with Tom's schedule. So a
handy permanent is always good to have.
Eric Keller
Bill Olsen <wmo...@hotmail.com> Aug 17 07:34PM -0400 ^
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I don't know if I'd ever want to use shoes. I've completed my R-12s (with several rides in the 10-15 deg F range) exclusively in Shimano sandals. I like to wiggle my toes to warm them up and there is nothing like keeping the pressure off of your feet . But then when it is below freezing I'll wear a pair (or two) of wool socks under my Gore-Tex oversocks.
If I had my druthers I'd prefer to ride a brevet in January or February rather than the miserable, oppressive heat of July/August as long as the roads are not too icy. One can ALWAYS warm up but I have a heck of a time keeping cool when the temperature and humidity are both above 95.
Bill
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John Hughes
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thirty-six
Aug 22, 2010, 5:41:18 PM8/22/10
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While I find the article interesting I do find a rather glaringly
obvious ommission regarding lung ventilation. When exercising in
extreme cold, it is better to keep the exercise level to an extent
where all breathing can be sustained through the nose. The nasal
passages will help maintain fluid balance and ease breathing by
moistening the incoming and drying the outgoing air. This along with
timing breaths so that they are slow out is the way to get the
greatest gas exchange from a given volume of air. When exhaling it is
important to exhale fully, punching the residual air out using the
diaphragm (opening the mouth slightly may help, but only for the
residual gases). It is the evacuation of the spent gases which clears
the way for proper ventilation of the lungs, and mean flow is reduced
for any specic exercise level.
I've rarely encoutered such severe weather, I found it more than
adequate to fill my bottles with boiling water and fruit cordial (with
a shot of rum in one). Drink before leaving and drink on the bike
when the temperature was tolerable. The second bottle would develop
some ice crystals occasionally and it would be at this point that it
would be completely consumed. Using a bar bag it is simple to load it
up with vaccuum flasks of hot drinks which can be transferred to a
drinking bottle as required. It is also not unknown for cyclists to
carry an alcohol burner to brew up a cuppa at the roadside when the
mood takes them.
On 19 Aug, 14:12, John Hughes <coachjohnhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I live in Colorado where winter is real—I ride but I also snowshoe and XC
> ski. My favorite place to XC ski is Fraser where it may be below 0 F when
> we get up and in the single digits when we head out. To keep my water from
> freezing I use a small (50 oz?) hydration pack that I can wear under a
> couple of layers of clothing. I fitted insulation over the tube to keep it
> from icing up. You can get an insulated cover to go over the nipple. After
> drinking I just blow back into the nipple to clear the water so it doesn't
> freeze. I wear the same hydration pack under clothing when cycling.
>
> While I was editor of UltraCycling we published an article by Dr. Ed Burke
> on hydration and nutrition requirements in the winter. Ed was a professor
> of sports science and expert on training for cycling at UC Colorado Springs.
>
> http://www.ultracycling.com/training/coldweathertraining.html
>
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:58 AM,
> <randon+...@googlegroups.com<randon%2Bno...@googlegroups.com>
> > - R12 in the Northeast <#12a8659dddce9404_group_thread_1> [3 Updates]
>
> > Topic: Headlights<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/20ab7f427614771d>
>
> > Bob Cooper RUSA 937 <robertcoo...@frontiernet.net> Aug 17 06:13PM -0700
> > ^ <#12a8659dddce9404_digest_top>
>
> > sekhem313 <sekhem...@yahoo.com> Aug 17 11:08AM -0700 ^<#12a8659dddce9404_digest_top>
> > Eric Keller <eekel...@psu.edu> Aug 17 02:27PM -0400 ^<#12a8659dddce9404_digest_top>
> > .
obvious ommission regarding lung ventilation. When exercising in
extreme cold, it is better to keep the exercise level to an extent
where all breathing can be sustained through the nose. The nasal
passages will help maintain fluid balance and ease breathing by
moistening the incoming and drying the outgoing air. This along with
timing breaths so that they are slow out is the way to get the
greatest gas exchange from a given volume of air. When exhaling it is
important to exhale fully, punching the residual air out using the
diaphragm (opening the mouth slightly may help, but only for the
residual gases). It is the evacuation of the spent gases which clears
the way for proper ventilation of the lungs, and mean flow is reduced
for any specic exercise level.
I've rarely encoutered such severe weather, I found it more than
adequate to fill my bottles with boiling water and fruit cordial (with
a shot of rum in one). Drink before leaving and drink on the bike
when the temperature was tolerable. The second bottle would develop
some ice crystals occasionally and it would be at this point that it
would be completely consumed. Using a bar bag it is simple to load it
up with vaccuum flasks of hot drinks which can be transferred to a
drinking bottle as required. It is also not unknown for cyclists to
carry an alcohol burner to brew up a cuppa at the roadside when the
mood takes them.
On 19 Aug, 14:12, John Hughes <coachjohnhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I live in Colorado where winter is real—I ride but I also snowshoe and XC
> ski. My favorite place to XC ski is Fraser where it may be below 0 F when
> we get up and in the single digits when we head out. To keep my water from
> freezing I use a small (50 oz?) hydration pack that I can wear under a
> couple of layers of clothing. I fitted insulation over the tube to keep it
> from icing up. You can get an insulated cover to go over the nipple. After
> drinking I just blow back into the nipple to clear the water so it doesn't
> freeze. I wear the same hydration pack under clothing when cycling.
>
> While I was editor of UltraCycling we published an article by Dr. Ed Burke
> on hydration and nutrition requirements in the winter. Ed was a professor
> of sports science and expert on training for cycling at UC Colorado Springs.
>
> http://www.ultracycling.com/training/coldweathertraining.html
>
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:58 AM,
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > Today's Topic Summary
>
> > Group:http://groups.google.com/group/randon/topics
>
> > - Headlights <#12a8659dddce9404_group_thread_0> [3 Updates]
>
>
> > wrote:
> > Today's Topic Summary
>
> > Group:http://groups.google.com/group/randon/topics
>
> > - R12 in the Northeast <#12a8659dddce9404_group_thread_1> [3 Updates]
>
> > Topic: Headlights<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/20ab7f427614771d>
>
> > Bob Cooper RUSA 937 <robertcoo...@frontiernet.net> Aug 17 06:13PM -0700
> > ^ <#12a8659dddce9404_digest_top>
>
> > "DeNotte ... the separate battery clip and light is not optimal for
> > commuting."
>
> > I have two of these. The system of attaching to the handlebar is
> > pretty cool and not as much trouble to do as one might think, from
> > looking at photos.
>
> > B&B Gear / Richard Stum <i...@bgear.com> Aug 17 10:42PM -0600 ^<#12a8659dddce9404_digest_top>
> > "DeNotte ... the separate battery clip and light is not optimal for
> > commuting."
>
> > I have two of these. The system of attaching to the handlebar is
> > pretty cool and not as much trouble to do as one might think, from
> > looking at photos.
>
>
> > The Sigma PowerLED Black Pro light system works EITHER with a
> > rechargeable Lion external battery OR with internal AAs for commuting
> > and convenience.
> > http://www.bgear.com/store/index.php/lighting/bicycle-lights/l8350.html
> > Richard Stum
> > http://www.bgear.com| Brevet gear site
> > http://www.RandoRichard.com| Blog
>
> > WillemJ <willem.jong...@gmail.com> Aug 18 06:04AM -0700 ^<#12a8659dddce9404_digest_top>
> > The Sigma PowerLED Black Pro light system works EITHER with a
> > rechargeable Lion external battery OR with internal AAs for commuting
> > and convenience.
> > http://www.bgear.com/store/index.php/lighting/bicycle-lights/l8350.html
> > Richard Stum
> > http://www.bgear.com| Brevet gear site
> > http://www.RandoRichard.com| Blog
>
>
> > Did you get in touch with B&M? They are very good with warranty
> > problems.
> > Willem
>
> > Topic: R12 in the Northeast<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/1704c161fd6c4b37>
> > Did you get in touch with B&M? They are very good with warranty
> > problems.
> > Willem
>
>
> > sekhem313 <sekhem...@yahoo.com> Aug 17 11:08AM -0700 ^<#12a8659dddce9404_digest_top>
>
> > > do you have any tips for tackling this challenge?
>
> > > Thanks!
>
> > > - Lynda Beaulieu
> > Multiple pairs of gloves and chemical hand warmers. I really don't
> > think that you need all that much clothing to be warm as long as your
> > extremities are warm. In fact, I suspect it's counter-productive.
> > But if your gloves get wet, you are going to want to be able to change
> > them periodically, and a wet winter brevet is going to take a while.
> > One of the happiest moments in my randonneuring career was when I
> > realized I had another pair of gloves in my seat pack. I would also
> > say that if the forecast is for high winds and extremely low
> > temperatures, wait for another day.
>
> > I completed an R-12 my first year of randonneuring. I really
> > appreciate all the work that Tom Rosenbauer, Bill Olsen, Andrew Mead
> > and Rick Carpenter have done to make it possible for me to complete an
> > R-12. It doesn't seem too unreasonable to travel 6 hours to do a
> > 200k, I used to travel at least that far every weekend when I was
> > racing and I travel 3 hours round trip to Tom's series. I have also
> > met randonneurs that traveled considerably further every month to
> > complete an R-12. Paradoxically, I had the most trouble with the
> > summer months where my schedule conflicted with Tom's schedule. So a
> > handy permanent is always good to have.
> > Eric Keller
>
> > Bill Olsen <wmol...@hotmail.com> Aug 17 07:34PM -0400 ^<#12a8659dddce9404_digest_top>
> > > do you have any tips for tackling this challenge?
>
> > > Thanks!
>
> > > - Lynda Beaulieu
> > Multiple pairs of gloves and chemical hand warmers. I really don't
> > think that you need all that much clothing to be warm as long as your
> > extremities are warm. In fact, I suspect it's counter-productive.
> > But if your gloves get wet, you are going to want to be able to change
> > them periodically, and a wet winter brevet is going to take a while.
> > One of the happiest moments in my randonneuring career was when I
> > realized I had another pair of gloves in my seat pack. I would also
> > say that if the forecast is for high winds and extremely low
> > temperatures, wait for another day.
>
> > I completed an R-12 my first year of randonneuring. I really
> > appreciate all the work that Tom Rosenbauer, Bill Olsen, Andrew Mead
> > and Rick Carpenter have done to make it possible for me to complete an
> > R-12. It doesn't seem too unreasonable to travel 6 hours to do a
> > 200k, I used to travel at least that far every weekend when I was
> > racing and I travel 3 hours round trip to Tom's series. I have also
> > met randonneurs that traveled considerably further every month to
> > complete an R-12. Paradoxically, I had the most trouble with the
> > summer months where my schedule conflicted with Tom's schedule. So a
> > handy permanent is always good to have.
> > Eric Keller
>
>
> > I don't know if I'd ever want to use shoes. I've completed my R-12s
> > (with several rides in the 10-15 deg F range) exclusively in Shimano
> > sandals. I like to wiggle my toes to warm them up and there is nothing like
> > keeping the pressure off of your feet . But then when it is below freezing
> > I'll wear a pair (or two) of wool socks under my Gore-Tex oversocks.
>
> > If I had my druthers I'd prefer to ride a brevet in January or February
> > rather than the miserable, oppressive heat of July/August as long as the
> > roads are not too icy. One can ALWAYS warm up but I have a heck of a time
> > keeping cool when the temperature and humidity are both above 95.
>
> > Bill
>
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> > I don't know if I'd ever want to use shoes. I've completed my R-12s
> > (with several rides in the 10-15 deg F range) exclusively in Shimano
> > sandals. I like to wiggle my toes to warm them up and there is nothing like
> > keeping the pressure off of your feet . But then when it is below freezing
> > I'll wear a pair (or two) of wool socks under my Gore-Tex oversocks.
>
> > If I had my druthers I'd prefer to ride a brevet in January or February
> > rather than the miserable, oppressive heat of July/August as long as the
> > roads are not too icy. One can ALWAYS warm up but I have a heck of a time
> > keeping cool when the temperature and humidity are both above 95.
>
> > Bill
>
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