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*Hi Conal, Hi all,

Conal I really appreciate your willingness to try to create ease in the
googlegroup. *(Though in this case I couldn't quite follow your suggestion -
but what I take home is that clear simple subject lines make e-groups more
of a joy for you - right?)*

In two other groups NVC groups I have been part of, the emails have
sometimes been awful, though so far this nvc-evoloves group has been nothing
but a pleasure.

I am interested if people have ideas about what makes an NVC2.0 e-group a
pleasure to part of, and how this can be sustained, especially if a new
person starts posting frequent emails with a lot of pain/satisfaction and
responds to other peoples posts with argument/analysis rather than silence
or empathy.

In fact I'd love to know if there are lovely ways of taking care in an
e-group. Any thoughts?

(I have seen something that worked for me among young Quakers in
non-cyberspace: choosing a group of 5 people to clarify the quaker style and
support those who are not clear and/or need help to adopt the house style of
communication - it was very beautifu, involved a range of public+private
strategies, and was supportive rather than oppressive. It also didn't create
conformism, but ensured that group communication flowed in and out of
silence with a wide range of confident and less confident voices being
heard.)

Ray
*

2009/11/20 Conal Elliott <conal.elli...@gmail.com>

> Hi Suzanne,
>
> An invitation from me to you: If you repost your comment using the topic
> subject (rather than the subject "Digest for ..."), it'll be easier for
> people to track the conversation.  I'd then delete the "Digest for ..."
> version.
>
>    - Conal
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Suzanne Jones <
> juliansuzanne2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Angela,
>> Yes, invitations seem more comfortable to me. Have you heard of Sonja
>> Foss' work on Invitaional Rhetoric?
>> Suzanne Jones
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, nvc-evolves@googlegroups..com <
>> nvc-evolves@googlegroups.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: nvc-evolves@googlegroups.com <nvc-evolves@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Digest for nvc-evolves@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic
>> To: "Digest Recipients" <nvc-evolves+digest@googlegroups.com<nvc-evolves%2Bdigest@googlegroups.com>
>> >
>> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 3:14 PM
>>
>>    Today's Topic Summary
>> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/nvc-evolves/topics
>>
>>    - Not so sure I like "requests," either.<http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/welcome?.gx=1&.tm=1258604766&.rand=bccua1qpvgvjd#group_thread_0>[1 Update]
>>
>>   Topic: Not so sure I like "requests," either.<http://groups.google.com/group/nvc-evolves/t/19e5380281fa85a6>
>>
>>    Angela Harms <angela.ha...@gmail.com> Nov 18 11:16AM -0800
>>
>>    Last year, I wrote "I've decided I want to try only making invitations
>>    for a while," and got some replies I enjoyed a lot. I'd been talking
>>    about how "requests" didn't seem to me to be in line with what we're
>>    wanting when we "do" NVC.
>>
>>    I've spend the last year working with this idea, subjecting it to
>>    criticism, holding it up to the light. And I've concluded that I
>>    really don't have much use for requests. I'm done with them. They
>>    don't lead to connection in my life. More often, they lead to
>>    stuckness, and reactions of compliance or rebellion, neither of which
>>    appeals to me..
>>
>>    I'm wondering if anybody else has worked with this idea over the past
>>    year, and what results you've come up with? Is there any reason to
>>    hang on to requests as part of our understanding of nvc (or nvc2.0)?
>>
>>    By the way, I'm moving to Central Ohio, and would love to connect with
>>    people there. Drop me a line if you're nearby!
>>
>>    Angela
>>
>>
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<b style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">Hi Conal, Hi all,<br><br>Conal I <u>r=
eally</u> appreciate your willingness to try to create ease in the googlegr=
oup. </b><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">(Though in this case I co=
uldn&#39;t quite follow your suggestion - but what I take home is that clea=
r simple subject lines make e-groups more of a joy for you - right?)</span>=
<b style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"><br>

<br>In two other groups NVC groups I have been part of, the emails have som=
etimes been awful, though so far this nvc-evoloves group has been nothing b=
ut a pleasure.<br><br>I am interested if people have ideas about what makes=
 an NVC2.0 e-group a pleasure to part of, and how this can be sustained, es=
pecially if a new person starts posting frequent emails with a lot of pain/=
satisfaction and responds to other peoples posts with argument/analysis rat=
her than silence or empathy.<br>

<br>In fact I&#39;d love to know if there are lovely ways of taking care in=
 an e-group. Any thoughts?<br><br>(I have seen something that worked for me=
 among young Quakers in non-cyberspace: choosing a group of 5 people to cla=
rify the quaker style and support those who are not clear and/or need help =
to adopt the house style of communication - it was very beautifu, involved =
a range of public+private strategies, and was supportive rather than oppres=
sive. It also didn&#39;t create conformism, but ensured that group communic=
ation flowed in and out of silence with a wide range of confident and less =
confident voices being heard.)<br>

<br>Ray<br></b><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/11/20 Conal Elliott =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:conal.elli...@gmail.com">conal.elli=
o...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; paddi=
ng-left: 1ex;">

Hi Suzanne,<br><br>An invitation from me to you: If you repost your comment=
 using the topic subject (rather than the subject &quot;Digest for ...&quot=
;), it&#39;ll be easier for people to track the conversation.=A0 I&#39;d th=
en delete the &quot;Digest for ...&quot; version.<br>

<font color=3D"#888888">

<br>=A0=A0 - Conal</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Suzanne Jones <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:juliansuzanne2...@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">juliansuzanne2...@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

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t: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign=3D"top">



<div>Hi Angela,</div>
<div>Yes, invitations seem more comfortable to me. Have you heard of Sonja =
Foss&#39; work on Invitaional Rhetoric? </div>
<div>Suzanne Jones<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 11/18/09, nvc-evolves@googlegroups=
..com <i>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nvc-evolves@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">nvc-evolves@googlegroups.com</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left:=
 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:nvc-evolves@googlegrou=
ps.com" target=3D"_blank">nvc-evolves@googlegroups.com</a> &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:nvc-evolves@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">nvc-evolves@googlegro=
ups.com</a>&gt;<br>



Subject: Digest for <a href=3D"mailto:nvc-evolves@googlegroups.com" target=
=3D"_blank">nvc-evolves@googlegroups.com</a> - 1 Message in 1 Topic<br>To: =
&quot;Digest Recipients&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nvc-evolves%2Bdigest@go=
oglegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">nvc-evolves+digest@googlegroups.com</a>&g=
t;<br>



Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 3:14 PM<br><br>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-top: 1px solid rgb(119, 153, 221); padding: 2px; font-=
size: 140%; font-family: helvetica; background-color: rgb(232, 238, 247);">=
=A0 Today&#39;s Topic Summary</div>
<div>Group: <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/nvc-evolves/topics" r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/nvc-evolve=
s/topics</a></div>
<ul>
<li><a href=3D"http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/welcome?.gx=3D1&amp;.tm=3D=
1258604766&amp;.rand=3Dbccua1qpvgvjd#group_thread_0" rel=3D"nofollow" targe=
t=3D"_blank">Not so sure I like &quot;requests,&quot; either.</a> [1 Update=
]</li></ul>



<a rel=3D"nofollow" name=3D"12512a1232365071_1251251e968ae628_group_thread_=
0"></a>
<div style=3D"border-top: 1px solid rgb(119, 153, 221); padding: 2px; font-=
size: 140%; font-family: helvetica; background-color: rgb(232, 238, 247);">=
=A0Topic: <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/nvc-evolves/t/19e538028=
1fa85a6" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Not so sure I like &quot;reques=
ts,&quot; either.</a></div>




<ul><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Angela Harms &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a=
ngela.ha...@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">angela.ha...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an> Nov 18 11:16AM -0800<br>
<div style=3D"border-top: 1px solid rgb(119, 153, 221);"></div>=A0<br>Last =
year, I wrote &quot;I&#39;ve decided I want to try only making invitations<=
br>for a while,&quot; and got some replies I enjoyed a lot. I&#39;d been ta=
lking<br>



about how &quot;requests&quot; didn&#39;t seem to me to be in line with wha=
t we&#39;re<br>wanting when we &quot;do&quot; NVC.<br>=A0<br>I&#39;ve spend=
 the last year working with this idea, subjecting it to<br>criticism, holdi=
ng it up to the light. And I&#39;ve concluded that I<br>



really don&#39;t have much use for requests. I&#39;m done with them. They<b=
r>don&#39;t lead to connection in my life. More often, they lead to<br>stuc=
kness, and reactions of compliance or rebellion, neither of which<br>appeal=
s to me..<br>



=A0<br>I&#39;m wondering if anybody else has worked with this idea over the=
 past<br>year, and what results you&#39;ve come up with? Is there any reaso=
n to<br>hang on to requests as part of our understanding of nvc (or nvc2.0)=
?<br>



=A0<br>By the way, I&#39;m moving to Central Ohio, and would love
 to connect with<br>people there. Drop me a line if you&#39;re nearby!<br>=
=A0<br>Angela<br>
<div>=A0</div></ul>
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