How to revert to the old address bar ?
jules cesar
I have just installed FF 3.0 and I hate the new address bar, is it
possible to revert to the old behavior ?
Corto
jules cesar
This new releases shows that changes have occured in mozilla corp. it
really looks like a commercial browser with a lot of unuseful cosmetic
new features that complicates the browsing and no way to choose if you
want them or not.
I answer my own question because I think it can be useful for others,
there is an extension that does the job. It is simply called 'Old
Location Bar', you can find it at
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7637
jules cesar a écrit :
Ron Hunter
Ron Hunter
config file.
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David Pyles
> jules cesar wrote:
>> Hello forum,
>> I have just installed FF 3.0 and I hate the new address bar, is it
>> possible to revert to the old behavior ?
>>
>> Corto
> Yes.
>
> There is a config entry that will hide the history.
>
>
browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped and double click on it to toggle it to true
Dave Pyles
PeeGee
Right, that's the first bit covered.
Now, how do you get the pattern match to match against the start of the
domain and not randomly positioned characters or titles: e.g. type "e"
and get "e...." entries but not "wrightsaerials..."?
Also, how do you get rid of the double-line entries so that only the URL
is listed?
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The reply address is a spam trap. All mail is reported as spam.
"Nothing should be able to load itself onto a computer without the
knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be able
to be removed from a computer easily."
Peter Cullen, Microsoft Chief Privacy Strategist (Computing 18 Aug 05)
David McRitchie
>> Hello forum,
>> I have just installed FF 3.0 and I hate the new address bar, is it possible to revert to the old behavior ?
Hi jules,
This is a newsgroup not a web forum.
If the main thing you don't like is that each "hit" takes two lines
that is easily fixed by changing browser.urlbar.richResults to False
There are other customization/preference available as well.
Let's take a look at what you are seeing first, and give yourself a week
or two for it to get trained (count your usages of where you go).
It has been nicknamed AwesomeBar so you can Google search on
awesome-bar to find out more. In Fx3 the bookmarking has been
changed note the filled or hollow star on the location bar which is
supposed to be an improvement over Ctrl+D . Anyway you click on
the hollow star and you automatically create a bookmark. If you
don't want the bookmark then click on the filled star and delete.
That is part of the "Places" changes in Firefox 3.
On the AwesomeBar where you see a (filled) star to the right
that entry came from a bookmark, the other's came from your
usage history. The arrangement is by how often you went
to that page, weighted by same day, in a week(s) and other
predictive things they might be able to figure. It will look
in the Title you gave your bookmark and in the url and tags
but not keywords (yet anyway).
So if someone pointed you to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Problematic_extensions
and you went there recently or if you bookmarked the page (not necessarily recently)
and all you remember is problematic or even problem you start typing
and you will probably see the page you want come up at or near the top.
This kind of stuff is being built into a lot of applications and systems,
you'll see similar in Vista (Microsoft) and in Leopard (Mac OS) and in the
built-in Search Bar where you are actually interfacing with Google or other
search engines after typing third character.
What I didn't like about it was it took two lines for each item, but that can
be fixed, as can colors with userChrome.css changes, I increased the number
of hits but wish I knew how to increase the drop down window size so I
wouldn't have to scroll down.
I use keywords a lot and since I have them in my bookmark titles, not
finding keywords is not a problem for me, and because I've always included
a colon in my bookmarks they aren't confused with tags for that matter.
If the problem is seeing Java Script from bookmarklets usage, or still want suppression
http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=Browser.urlbar.filter.javascript
http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=44238
(the two links above first ends with filter.javascript second ends in parentID=44238)
How it works (that's not a misspelling in the name)
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Places.frecency.(visit_type)VisitBonus
http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=Browser.urlbar.filter.javascript
about:config preferences
browser.urlbar.maxRichResults 20 the default is 12, and 0 gets rid of
browser.urlbar.richResults False, the default is True for two lined results
browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped (three choices concerning string or word)
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.urlbar.matchBehavior
SUMMARY:
Suggest you give it a week before eliminating it, but you might want
to increase the number of hits and switch to a single line.
--
HTH,
David McRitchie, extensions I use are briefly documented on my site
Firefox Custom: http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/firefox.htm
David McRitchie
> Now, how do you get the pattern match to match against the start of the
> domain and not randomly positioned characters or titles: e.g. type "e"
> and get "e...." entries but not "wrightsaerials..."?
>
> Also, how do you get rid of the double-line entries so that only the URL
> is listed?
Suggest before you change this that you wait a week, the results
would probably get better, but answer to first question
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.urlbar.matchBehavior
Answer to second question - reduction to a single line with same info,
you really want to see url, title, and if it came in as a bookmark
browser.urlbar.richResults False, the default is True for two lined results
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David McRitchie
forgot to mention that you can mouse-over the url, or the title
to see full url or title. The only problem with reducing to single
rows is loss of bolding of found words, but a minor loss.
Mumia Wotse
> [...]
> Answer to second question - reduction to a single line with same info,
> you really want to see url, title, and if it came in as a bookmark
> browser.urlbar.richResults False, the default is True
> for two lined results
>
Browser.urlbar.richResults does not appear in the default list of
preferences, and it does not work on my Firefox 2.0rc2.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.urlbar.richResults
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/browse_frm/thread/70b4365114d421ac
Support for that option was removed :-( :-(
The comments on bug 407836น are enlightening.
I'm not fond of the new urlbar, and we need to old behavior and look
back a soon as possible. It seems to me that the "awesome bar" is an
attempt to bloat the browser. If that's going to happen, why not also
"bloat" the configuration interface and allow people to easily get back
the old behavior?
Corto
I checked all combinations in the browser.urlbar.xxxx in the config
before writing to the newsgroup but the effect is to completely remove
the address bar, there is no way to revert to the old behavior.
The address bar is the place to type addresses and it is useful when it
proposes addresses from history. It doesn't do that anymore, it only
proposes sites based on bookmarks, keywords, ..... anything but the address.
I don't see the use of having bookmarks there as there is a place for
bookmarks. In addition they say that it adapts the results to your
surfing habits and this is a privacy concern. Be sure that very soon
there will be exploits to retrieve these informations.
Regards
Corto
David McRitchie a écrit :
PeeGee
> "PeeGee" wrote
>> Now, how do you get the pattern match to match against the start of
>> the domain and not randomly positioned characters or titles: e.g. type
>> "e" and get "e...." entries but not "wrightsaerials..."?
>>
>> Also, how do you get rid of the double-line entries so that only the
>> URL is listed?
>
> Suggest before you change this that you wait a week, the results
> would probably get better, but answer to first question
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.urlbar.matchBehavior
Changed the value to 2 as described, but no visible change in operation
and *it's getting worse, not better* :-( I note the descriptions says it
is easy to get items where "typed text will match useless items" - a bit
misleading as so far "you always get useless items" is a better description.
Also noted that browser.urlbar.matchOnWordBoundary is true by default
and *supposedly* does what I require (though it doesn't appear in the
config list).
>
> Answer to second question - reduction to a single line with same info,
> you really want to see url, title, and if it came in as a bookmark
> browser.urlbar.richResults False, the default is True
> for two lined results
>
Tried that and absolutely no change visible.
Whatever I have tried so far results in "wrightsaerials..." appearing
before "esure..." when I enter "e" as the first letter of the name.
obviously listing in increasing numbers of visits, starting with 1 :-(
David McRitchie
"Typing in the Location Bar will now search not only URLs, but page titles, bookmark names, and tags. "
And by the way it does not include looking for keywords yet, and if
you are using keywords you should install the "OpenBook" extension.
They were pushing tags (unorganized, unsorted bookmarking) to the
exclusion of keywords and structured bookmarking.
As I said earlier you should try it for a week, for it to pick up on your
habits, as directly and repetitively typed urls will count a lot.
My notes can be found at (paste 'complete link' into location bar)
http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/places.htm#awesomebar
To revert to behavior of Firefox 2:
To prevent entries from History and bookmarked items from appearing (but
show those that a user has specifically typed in to the location/url bar), use
about:config to toggle browser.urlbar.matchonlytyped to true.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Disabling_autocomplete_-_Firefox
http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries
The complete thread for this newsgroup posting can be seen at
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/browse_frm/thread/e7d8a2656019e0c8
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HTH,
David McRitchie, extensions I use are briefly documented on my site
Firefox Custom: http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/firefox.htm
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HTH,
David McRitchie, extensions I use are briefly documented on my site
Firefox Custom: http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/firefox.htm
"Corto" <car...@email.com> wrote in message news:MbednTzG19iDzMLV...@mozilla.org...
David McRitchie
> The reply address is a spam trap. All mail is reported as spam.
> "Nothing should be able to load itself onto a computer without the
> knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be able
> to be removed from a computer easily."
> Peter Cullen, Microsoft Chief Privacy Strategist (Computing 18 Aug 05)
If what you wrote is correct then you are misusing newsgroups, and
I doubt very much that Peter Cullen would appreciate his name associated
with your means. You don't put a spam trap into a message that asks
for or provides an answer. The only people you will catch are those
trying to help you or to thank you.
David McRitchie
> David McRitchie wrote:
>> "PeeGee" wrote
>>> Now, how do you get the pattern match to match against the start of
>>> the domain and not randomly positioned characters or titles: e.g. type
>>> "e" and get "e...." entries but not "wrightsaerials..."?
>>
>> would probably get better, but answer to first question
>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.urlbar.matchBehavior
>
> Changed the value to 2 as described, but no visible change in operation
> and *it's getting worse, not better* :-( I note the descriptions says it
> is easy to get items where "typed text will match useless items" - a bit
> misleading as so far "you always get useless items" is a better description.
>
> Also noted that browser.urlbar.matchOnWordBoundary is true by default
> and *supposedly* does what I require (though it doesn't appear in the
> config list).
>
> before "esure..." when I enter "e" as the first letter of the name.
> obviously listing in increasing numbers of visits, starting with 1 :-(
Don't know what to say you might try 1 instead of 2.
Perhaps if you are looking at the responses after each character
or only at the end that you try the opposite.
You might try training it a bit, by deleting (non bookmarked) entries, and
copying a wanted url and pasting into location bar of another tab.
I should get used to what you do based on usage frequencies.
The idea is not to put what you want as the first entry, but to put it
within sight. A bookmarked entry counts for a lot, so you might try
bookmarking a few more. It is going to pick up urls not domains.
Possibly you have installed an extension, a theme, or changes to
userChrome.css (style) that are in conflict if one of the settings
makes no difference which ever way you use it.
Corto
Why do you always send the same answers that don't work, I don't
understand your insistance to want me modify the behavior of the awful
bar, I want to remove it and according to the number of forums,
nawsgroups, sites with the same question I browsed on the web this week,
I am not the only one.
.
I don't care if it each row is on 1 or two lines
I don't care if there is 20, 12 15 or 0 lines
I don't want to install openbook or another extension to do what I use
to do with just FF
.
I don't want any software to keep track of how often I go to which site.
I started using FF 1 because it was safer than IE and now I see that FF3
installs security threats on my PC without asking me if I want the
option or not.
Regards
Corto
David McRitchie a écrit :
Ron Hunter
typing what I want, and continue, ignoring what comes up below, then hit
'enter'. No problem. I would spend a lot more time trying to find a
URL in the list than I would typing it, but then I am a touch typist.
Others may find it useful, and it doesn't bother me that it is there.
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Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
shouldn't even go on the internet at all. And PLEASE bottom post in
this group.
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Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
PeeGee
> "PeeGee" wrote in his signature...
>> The reply address is a spam trap. All mail is reported as spam.
>> "Nothing should be able to load itself onto a computer without the
>> knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be
>> able to be removed from a computer easily."
>> Peter Cullen, Microsoft Chief Privacy Strategist (Computing 18 Aug 05)
>
> If what you wrote is correct then you are misusing newsgroups, and
> I doubt very much that Peter Cullen would appreciate his name associated
> with your means.
I am not sure why the association should be made but, as you have
identified a possible sensitive area, see below.
> You don't put a spam trap into a message that asks
> for or provides an answer. The only people you will catch are those
> trying to help you or to thank you.
Surely, the purpose of newsgroup postings is to request or provide
information within the group thread and not hide it in a personal
message. Where personal communication is needed, the participants can
organise how they wish to continue.
Personal experience is at odds with your final sentence as I have only
ever identified one non-spam message in the account (I do glance at the
(usually small) list that passes spam filtering and messages about
viagra don't seem to be valid subjects - not even OT - for the
newsgroups I frequent).
I have, however, taken your comments on-board and will use the accepted
alternative mechanism of a "invalid" type address. My sig has been
amended accordingly.
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PeeGee
PeeGee
> "PeeGee" ...
>> David McRitchie wrote:
>>> "PeeGee" wrote
>>>> Now, how do you get the pattern match to match against the start of
>>>> the domain and not randomly positioned characters or titles: e.g.
>>>> type "e" and get "e...." entries but not "wrightsaerials..."?
>>>
>>> Suggest before you change this that you wait a week, the results
>>> would probably get better, but answer to first question
>>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.urlbar.matchBehavior
>>
>> Changed the value to 2 as described, but no visible change in
>> operation and *it's getting worse, not better* :-( I note the
>> descriptions says it is easy to get items where "typed text will match
>> useless items" - a bit misleading as so far "you always get useless
>> items" is a better description.
>>
>> Also noted that browser.urlbar.matchOnWordBoundary is true by default
>> and *supposedly* does what I require (though it doesn't appear in the
>> config list).
>>
>> Whatever I have tried so far results in "wrightsaerials..." appearing
>> before "esure..." when I enter "e" as the first letter of the name.
>> obviously listing in increasing numbers of visits, starting with 1 :-(
>
> Don't know what to say you might try 1 instead of 2.
Tried both, closing and restarting FF3 after each change.
> Perhaps if you are looking at the responses after each character
> or only at the end that you try the opposite.
>
> You might try training it a bit, by deleting (non bookmarked) entries,
> and
> copying a wanted url and pasting into location bar of another tab.
> I should get used to what you do based on usage frequencies.
> The idea is not to put what you want as the first entry, but to put it
> within sight. A bookmarked entry counts for a lot, so you might try
> bookmarking a few more. It is going to pick up urls not domains.
That explains why "www.wrightsaerials.co.uk" keeps coming up first, it
is bookmarked.
If I want a bookmarked site, I use bookmark entry and don't bother to
type at all - isn't that what they are for? With FF2, it listed items
from those recently visited and pattern matched from the start of the
(sub-)domain part of the URL - ie ignored the www element. I can see
that some people may want to pattern match within a page title, but it
is a URL bar, so URL matching should come first and title matching
ignored if titles are not included in the listing (which I am not yet
able to get).
If I am starting to type a URL such as (the non-existent?) commercial.eu
(assuming www. will be added if needed), then being offered a long list
of .com URLs is, in my opinion, next to useless. Others may feel
differently, but it seems to be a major retrograde step from an existing
(apparently) overwhelmingly preferred FF2 method.
>
> Possibly you have installed an extension, a theme, or changes to
> userChrome.css (style) that are in conflict if one of the settings
> makes no difference which ever way you use it.
>
Only one userChrome.css change, to remove the add to bookmarks "star"
which I find irritating as there are multiple alternative mechanisms
that have not been found wanting and I prefer an uncluttered URL bar.
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PeeGee
darkrats
way that the FF3 designers could have given us a way to absolutely turn off
that feature? I also would like to just type in the address and see nothing
else appear when I do that. I've managed to reduce the dropdown list to one
old, deleted bookmark, but it still drives me up the wall to see it
everytime I type in an address.
darkrats
"Ron Hunter" <rphu...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Corto
I have read my message again because I thought I may have been somewhat
unpolite or something else that would not suit the newsgroup policy and
I don't see what. Why do you say that I "shouldn't even go on the
internet at all". I will go where I want and when I want with or without
your approval.
I am not uncomfortable with FF I am uncomfortable with a useless CPU
consuming and dangerous in terms of privacy feature that was put IN
PLACE of a standard feature that exists on all browsers since there has
been browsers.
I didn't try to troll in any way, and I am very surprised of your
answer. By the way English is not my language and I didn't understand
the last sentence but if you mean I should post no more on this
newsgroup don't worry, I know other forum where you can give and ask for
an advice and still be respected.
So stay with your friends and have fun
Corto
Ron Hunter a écrit :
PeeGee
If that's how you use FF, then fine. I have no problem with that. I much
prefer to type 2 or 3 letters, press the "down arrow" to move to the top
item of the list and press enter than type 128 characters, including a
pseudo-random string that some sites appear to use, to get to a page on
site I recently visited :-)
So far as the OP is concerned, it appears that the change (for the sake
of change) is permanent and no amount of tweaking the config or
userChrome.css parameters will get anything approaching FF2
compatibility, even though the parameters are there.
--
PeeGee
David McRitchie
> Why do you always send the same answers that don't work, I don't
> understand your insistance to want me modify the behavior of the awful
There probably isn't a true reversal available, , for now you have to go back
to an earlier version or modify some of the behavior of version 3.0
For instance I can't stand the chrome changes in 3.0 and 2.0.0.14 wasn't
great either, so I modify it so it is more usable to me (though very rough).
What is the complete version number of the Firefox you were using
before version 3.0 because there was an autocomplete in 2.0.0.14
It had url on the left, title on the right (at least that's what I have)
I've not really been using 2.0.0.14 much for the last 7 months.
Here is the best article I can find, a bit more than simple settings,
but mostly looks like what you've already tried.
9 tweaks for Firefox 3's location bar - Mozilla Links
http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/06/9-tweaks-for-firefox-3s-location-bar/
and another article
AwesomeBar Tweak Guide at Damn Machine !
http://damnmachine.com/174/firefox-3-awesomebar-tweaks.html
Video: Disable Firefox 3's 'awesome bar' | Webware : Cool Web apps for everyone - CNET
http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9971026-2.html
You can also delete history items as they appear under the location bar
with the Del key other than bookmarked. And you can do a search
on your History (Ctrl+H) for a string like "timefeed" and then
use Ctrl+A to select all such entries and delete (from history). Which
might reduce clutter of unwanted entries.
Ron Hunter
There are more important things for me to worry about, like newsgroup
posters who ignore polite requests to bottom post in this newsgroup, and
high taxes, astronomical gasoline prices, and Medicare which is screwing
me, again. Just type in what you want, and ignore the extra. Works for me.
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Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
Sorry if I wasn't clear.
IF you are so concerned about security that you don't want the program
to count your accesses to a website, you should not go to websites,
because the mere act of doing so IS counted, first by your program,
second by your ISP, and last by the website. The only solution to this
is to avoid the internet.
I am not a fan of the 'awesome bar', myself, but I can't see getting all
upset over it, and I certainly can't understand why someone would
actually go back to an earlier release and do without the 15,000 other
changes, some of which, by sheer luck, will probably be useful to you.
As for the newsgroup, you persist in posting on top of previous posts,
which is not the custom in this group.
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Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
I would NEVER type in a complete url of such length. Had I been to the
site before, I would either have bookmarked it, or I would find it in my
history file.
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Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Corto
OK there is no answer to my questions so please stop answering bullshit,
and especially trying to get me for an idiot and a paranoid.
Of course my ISP can spy me, but unless they put cookies on my computer
(Which FF allows me to avoid) a website can not know on which other
sites I have been neither how many times I have been to these sites and
a web browser should not keep record of my surfing habits even IE
doesn't. Most people have chosen FF because it is SAFER. I am not
talking about absolute security just basic security concern but maybe
you never receive any spam.
Did you ever heard of spyware, it is software that spies net surfing
habits because you apparently never heard of it let me give you an
extract from "Spyware" Wikipedia article
> While the term spyware suggests software that secretly monitors the user's behavior,
the functions of spyware extend well beyond simple monitoring. Spyware
programs can collect
various types of personal information, such as Internet surfing habit,
sites that have been
visited, but can also interfere with user control of the computer in
other ways, such as
installing additional software, redirecting Web browser activity,
accessing websites blindly
that will cause more harmful viruses, or diverting advertising revenue
to a third party.
... Other spyware behavior, such as reporting on websites the user
visits, occurs in the background.
The data is used for "targeted" advertisement impressions.
Ron Hunter
spyware is, and how it works (and how to avoid getting it). If you are
so paranoid that you object to the software YOU are using counting how
many times you visit a website, and that you delete all surfing records
after you close the program, then it is probably better that you avoid
internet usage entirely.
Somewhere, somehow, you have to TRUST someone, or your life will be
pretty empty. Start with trusting Firefox.
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Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Corto
I didn't say that I don't trust FF and I would like to thank you for
learning me that hackers wait that the sensitive data is sent
personnally to them before using it. You have convinced me, and from now
I will ask your authorization when I can surf, post on newsgroup or
honor my wife. But please stop trolling this newsgroup with your
personnal attacks.
Subject closed.