Re: Help me plz
»Q«
If folks want to continue discussing html in messages, or manners, or
lack of manners ;) , please migrate the talk to mozilla.general.
Thanks.
Tarkus
> [crossposted, followup set to mozilla.general]
Ignored, out of spite.
> If folks want to continue discussing html in messages, or manners, or
> lack of manners ;) , please migrate the talk to mozilla.general.
Does your newsreader lack an Ignore Thread feature?
Might I suggest Mozilla Thunderbird?
»Q«
Tarkus <karn...@atlantabraves.net> wrote:
> Newsgroups: mozilla.general
Thanks.
> »Q« wrote:
> > [crossposted, followup set to mozilla.general]
>
> Ignored, out of spite.
Newsgroup etiquette calls for OT discussions to be moved out of the
support groups, and this is the one group where they can be moved.
(E-mail would also do, but a lot of the people in the support groups
read here too.) Better to post the spite here than there, whether it's
spite for me or of the groups themselves.
> > If folks want to continue discussing html in messages, or manners,
> > or lack of manners ;) , please migrate the talk to
> > mozilla.general.
>
> Does your newsreader lack an Ignore Thread feature?
Nope.
> Might I suggest Mozilla Thunderbird?
No, thanks.
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Tarkus
> In <news:b5qdnWuwmJ85uajV...@mozilla.org>,
> Tarkus <karn...@atlantabraves.net> wrote:
>
>> Newsgroups: mozilla.general
>
> Thanks.
>
>> »Q« wrote:
>>> [crossposted, followup set to mozilla.general]
>> Ignored, out of spite.
>
> Newsgroup etiquette calls for OT discussions to be moved out of the
> support groups, and this is the one group where they can be moved.
If you're interested in continuing a discussion, following up to a group
you have no idea whether your discussion partner(s) are subscribed,
makes no sense; it may or may not effectively kill the discussion.
OTOH, if a thread doesn't interest you, whether off-topic or for another
reason, ignoring it makes a lot of sense.
I "kill" threads on a daily basis, for various reasons. I see no reason
to try and be a Usenet policeman. Perhaps I lack your ego.
»Q«
Alexander <not...@example.com> wrote:
> however given the fact that Andrew actually canceled *all* his postings
That wasn't Andrew -- unfortunately, users can't cancel their own
posts on this server.
»Q«
Tarkus <karn...@atlantabraves.net> wrote:
> »Q« wrote:
> > In <news:b5qdnWuwmJ85uajV...@mozilla.org>,
> > Tarkus <karn...@atlantabraves.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Newsgroups: mozilla.general
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >> »Q« wrote:
> >>> [crossposted, followup set to mozilla.general]
> >> Ignored, out of spite.
> Newsgroups: mozilla.general,mozilla.support.firefox
Since, out of spite, you've now taken it back into the support group a
couple of posts after it had been moved to m.general, I won't pretend we
might have a reasonable discussion about it.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> In <news:AMWdnb6tiP35pqjV...@mozilla.org>,
> Alexander <not...@example.com> wrote:
>
>> however given the fact that Andrew actually canceled *all* his postings
>
> That wasn't Andrew -- unfortunately, users can't cancel their own
> posts on this server.
>
In actuality they can but it's not a real cancel as others can still see
the "cancelled" post, only the poster can no longer see 'em. Makes a
whole lot of sense doesn't it which gives the poster a false sense of
comfort knowing that the post is .. errr .. gone. 8-)
Maybe an RFE should be entered so that when a poster attempts to cancel
a post on a server which does not allow cancels that a popup alert comes
up to the effect that says "posts cannot be cancelled on this server".
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»Q«
Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
> On 22.05.2008 04:56, »Q« wrote:
>
> > unfortunately, users can't cancel their own posts on this server.
>
> In actuality they can but it's not a real cancel as others can still
> see the "cancelled" post, only the poster can no longer see 'em.
> Makes a whole lot of sense doesn't it which gives the poster a false
> sense of comfort knowing that the post is .. errr .. gone. 8-)
IIRC, there's a bug filed about fixing Thunderbird so that it won't
hide the local copy of the post until it's confirmed as gone from the
server.
Even this would give a false sense of comfort on Usenet, since the post
would be removed from some servers but not from others, so some people
would still be seeing it.
> Maybe an RFE should be entered so that when a poster attempts to
> cancel a post on a server which does not allow cancels that a popup
> alert comes up to the effect that says "posts cannot be cancelled on
> this server".
For this server, which doesn't propagate to other ones (except to
Google, which also does nothing with cancels), that should work. The
fix would be on the server side, and I assume Thunderbird does pop up
an error message when the server rejects a post, including a control
post.
But in general, the control message is accepted and passed around to
peer servers, regardless of whether the initial server removes the
post. This is so those other servers can decide whether to get rid
of their copies of post, independent of what the initial server
wants to do. Since the initial server has accepted the control message
successfully, it can't return an error to the client.
Moz Champion (Dan)
Tarkus, you don't seem to realize that each of these newsgroups is
reflected in an email mail list as well. In those, 'ignore thread'
doesn't work.
While your suggestion may be fine for the way you (and others) work, it
is simply not suitable for these newsgroups (and accompanying email lists)
These newsgroups are monitored, and there can be repurcussions if
'suggestions' are not followed. This is NOT usenet my friend.
Please refer to
http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html
And make note of the paragraph under Stay on topic (reprinted here for
your edification)
Quote
Most of these groups are high-traffic and read by busy people, so please
pay attention to the topic of your messages, and check that it still
relates to the charter of the forum to which you are posting. Off-topic
discussion not taken to private email, mozilla.general, or any place
where it is not considered off-topic, by someone who knows they should
be taking it elsewhere, is eligible for removal from the news server.
Unquote
So be forewarned. Now that you have been told it is off-topic for a
newsgroup (and asked to move it to mozilla general) you are now in the
'someone who knows they should be taking it elsewhere' group <grin>
You may wish to read the other paragraphs in the forum etiquette as
well, to familurize yourself with the differences between these
newsgroups and others you may have been used to.
Moz Champion (Dan)
Tarkus, please see the post in mozilla general under this thread if you
would. Thankyou.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> I see no reason
> to try and be a Usenet policeman. Perhaps I lack your ego.
just to clue you in, he is. Chris I, the one known as Q,
the one who goes by Nir, are the ones that form the Mozilla
Bully Gang, with Chris being the Head Bully. They have the
power, with the blessing from Mozilla, to delete posts, at
will, and to ban people from groups, without just cause, and
to tell posters to move the posts elsewhere.
Then you might have Chris I come in here and tell you this
server isn't Usenet.
These 3 idiots are giving Mozilla a black eye.
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> You made a perfect point, however given the fact that Andrew actually
> canceled *all* his postings I'd assume he eventually noticed how much he
> embarrassed himself.
he didn't do it. You can find out who did and why here:
news://news.mozilla.org:119/ZIWdnWmJLY6iDKjV...@mozilla.org
or
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/msg/2ace83807c6b84e0
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Well, unlike email when sent, cannot be taken back, you have to send a
correction which hopefully will be read depending on the severity of the
original. News posts should be allowed to be cancelled by the original
poster which would eliminate the need to post a correction(s) which
takes up more space, etc. And then we wouldn't have to enter a bug and
then find someone to fix it.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Then you might have Chris I come in here and tell you this
> server isn't Usenet.
Well, it isn't "usenet", the posts are not propagated/fed to/from
usenet, only Google.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Alexander wrote:
>> You made a perfect point, however given the fact that Andrew actually
>> canceled *all* his postings I'd assume he eventually noticed how much he
>> embarrassed himself.
>
> he didn't do it. You can find out who did and why here:
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/ZIWdnWmJLY6iDKjV...@mozilla.org
> or
> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/msg/2ace83807c6b84e0
>
How do you know it was one of them? Maybe it was Dave (admin) or Gerv.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
it still would have been done on the advice of one of the
Mozilla Bully Gang
Terry R.
pounded out on the keyboard:
Boy, why didn't Novell & Groupwise dominate. THAT was the way email
should be handled.
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powers that be have decided (just like Top Posting). Maybe when the crop
of Internet bosses croak, Maybe the email and Newsgroups can finally get
into the 21st century.
My last word on this thread. Its a Comment and I don't want, or expect
any replies.
Everyone know from my past posts for my reasons in favor of HTM and Top
posting.
Its a dead horse That's been buried and and can no longer be beat.
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does allow posting on all servers it propagated to at the same time.
Alexander
> I didn't cancel any post.
Yes, I meanwhile read the removal of your posts was an administrative
measure. Congratulations, you've actually got me and my
misinterpretations ....
Thanks for ignoring my follow up btw.
Alexander
Alexander
>
> Everyone know from my past posts for my reasons in favor of HTM and Top
> posting.
Sorry, I dont know your previous postings. Could you please give me a
quick outline why you are in favour of them? I'd be really curious.
Thanks,
Alexander
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Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 22.05.2008 10:43, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> Alexander wrote:
>>>> You made a perfect point, however given the fact that Andrew actually
>>>> canceled *all* his postings I'd assume he eventually noticed how much he
>>>> embarrassed himself.
>>> he didn't do it. You can find out who did and why here:
>>> news://news.mozilla.org:119/ZIWdnWmJLY6iDKjV...@mozilla.org
>>> or
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/msg/2ace83807c6b84e0
>>>
>>
>> How do you know it was one of them? Maybe it was Dave (admin) or Gerv.
>>
>
> it still would have been done on the advice of one of the
> Mozilla Bully Gang
>
Possibility yes, but still maybe not, who knows - May have been someone
else that emailed Gerv or Dave. BTW: Wasn't me, just in case. 8-)
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
I have been a Contract CNI for years and I taught Netware and Groupwise,
and YES, both rule !!!!!!
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> »Q« wrote:
>> [crossposted, followup set to mozilla.general]
>>
>> If folks want to continue discussing html in messages, or manners, or
>> lack of manners ;) , please migrate the talk to mozilla.general.
>> Thanks.
> Its a useless subject (using HTML in messages) to even talk about. The
> powers that be have decided (just like Top Posting). Maybe when the crop
> of Internet bosses croak, Maybe the email and Newsgroups can finally get
> into the 21st century.
>
> My last word on this thread. Its a Comment and I don't want, or expect
> any replies.
>
> Everyone know from my past posts for my reasons in favor of HTM and Top
> posting.
>
> Its a dead horse That's been buried and and can no longer be beat.
>
Nobody that I know of, including myself, is against HTML and Top
Posting. You do what the rest of the groups ask you to do or not do,
simple as that. You follow the traditions of the groups you post in. If
everybody in the group top posts and you bottom post then you're going
to get beat up and vice-versa, same for HTML. What's so difficult about
that?
Alexander
>
> Nobody that I know of, including myself, is against HTML and Top
> Posting. You do what the rest of the groups ask you to do or not do,
> simple as that. You follow the traditions of the groups you post in. If
> everybody in the group top posts and you bottom post then you're going
> to get beat up and vice-versa, same for HTML. What's so difficult about
> that?
>
As I mentioned previously I am not actively against HTML and top
posting, but personally I prefer plain text along with bottom posting.
The reasons are, HTML is basically only useful if someone wants to
provide a special format for the text (several clients offer formatting,
in a IMHO non-disturbing way, for plain text as well by the way, like
Firefox with the asterisk for *bold* and underline for _underlined_
text), the major part of postings however doesnt need it and then it
usually tends to make the text only less readable (like when people mess
with the font and apply Arial when the reader wants Courier New).
Bottom posting on the other hand provides a better reading flow as the
reader can (if he wants to) first see what the following text refers to
and then can jump to the actual text. Hence the context is more natural.
With top posting, he/she first reads the new text and only then the one
it actually refers to, it basically switches the contextual continuity.
Also it makes quoting rather impossible.
Alexander
>
> (several clients offer formatting,
> in a IMHO non-disturbing way, for plain text as well by the way, like
> Firefox with the asterisk for *bold* and underline for _underlined_
> text)
The slash for /italic/ text by the way.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Nobody that I know of, including myself, is against HTML and Top
> Posting. You do what the rest of the groups ask you to do or not do,
> simple as that. You follow the traditions of the groups you post in. If
> everybody in the group top posts and you bottom post then you're going
> to get beat up and vice-versa, same for HTML. What's so difficult about
> that?
even the Chief Lizard Wrangler can't follow the rules of the
group:
news://news.mozilla.org:119/eOGdnUVntbHWLrHV...@mozilla.org
or
news://news.mozilla.org:119/4835CFEF...@mozilla.com
why should the rest of us follow the so-called rules, when
the Mozilla head honcho can't.
and before someone gets on my back about it: Chief Lizard
Wrangler = http://www.mozilla.org/about/staff
Tarkus
> Tarkus, you don't seem to realize that each of these newsgroups is
> reflected in an email mail list as well. In those, 'ignore thread'
> doesn't work.
It would if Thunderbird had that capability (as many other email clients
do), but your point is well taken.
»Q«
Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
> News posts should be allowed to be cancelled by the original poster
> which would eliminate the need to post a correction(s) which takes up
> more space, etc. And then we wouldn't have to enter a bug and then
> find someone to fix it.
It's been a long time since Usenet could work that way, thanks to
malicious third-party cancels.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Your definitions and "feelings" are irrelevant when you post opposite of
the group(s) wishes and traditions.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
That's why, for the most part, I advocate moderated groups. Of course it
depends on the group, absolutely impossible in most groups. Forums, on
the other hand, are my #1 support venues.
Alexander
>
> Your definitions and "feelings" are irrelevant when you post opposite of
> the group(s) wishes and traditions.
>
This is a philosophic question, the same can be said about murder.
»Q«
Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
> On 22.05.2008 16:06, »Q« wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 22 May 2008 10:58:13 -0500
> > Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
> >
> >> News posts should be allowed to be cancelled by the original poster
> >> which would eliminate the need to post a correction(s) which takes
> >> up more space, etc. And then we wouldn't have to enter a bug and
> >> then find someone to fix it.
> >
> > It's been a long time since Usenet could work that way, thanks to
> > malicious third-party cancels.
>
> That's why, for the most part, I advocate moderated groups.
I just advocate not posting stuff you might want to cancel. ;) (If
it's just an error, a followup correction works fine.)
> Of course it depends on the group, absolutely impossible in most
> groups. Forums, on the other hand, are my #1 support venues.
Ugh. To each his own, I guess.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Ugh. To each his own, I guess.
UFAQ has been in tip-top condition for 13 years now. ;-)
Daniel
> On 22.05.2008 10:34, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> Then you might have Chris I come in here and tell you this
>> server isn't Usenet.
>
> Well, it isn't "usenet", the posts are not propagated/fed to/from
> usenet, only Google.
>
Well!!!....almost, Jay.
Daniel
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 22.05.2008 10:34, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> Then you might have Chris I come in here and tell you this
>>> server isn't Usenet.
>>
>> Well, it isn't "usenet", the posts are not propagated/fed to/from
>> usenet, only Google.
>>
>
> Well!!!....almost, Jay.
>
> Daniel
Technically speaking, it's not. Behavior-wise ... yup. :-)
Phillip Jones, CET
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>
>> Everyone know from my past posts for my reasons in favor of HTM and
>> Top posting.
>
> Sorry, I dont know your previous postings. Could you please give me a
> quick outline why you are in favour of them? I'd be really curious.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander
On HTML If the proper size and type font is used in html post (which 99%
of people have set correctly) For me email or news group post are far
more readable for me. in Plain Text the words and letter with there mono
spacing runs together. After you read enough emails and News post
everything begins to run together.
I am not a proponent of using fancy Back grounds, inline Pictures, and
audio in news post and only in email that the recipients, desire such.
In today's day and times most everyone has access to at the minimum DSL
and in many up to date countries Cable, or satellite. So bandwidth is no
longer the issue. Also when you need to emphasize words and phrases to
make a point in HTML you choose Bold, Italics, or underline or a
combination. While I can add additional characters to to do so in plain
Text. I find not all the ones that I am supposed to be able to use work.
and none work in combination.
As for top posting: If your writing some one an email as you would a
letter and wish to reply then Bottom posting should be the norm.
However, all support groups on Newsgroups should be Top posted.
The subject line should ask the Basic question with the original
question text then as the explanation if needed.
each reply and each succeeding reply should be top posted. This allows
for easy access of the latest answer given without have having to wade
to pages and pages of previous replies. This would allow for faster
reading of Post, and faster ability to answer post you want to
contribute to, with having to take time to either scroll or use some
keyboard short cut to wade through those pages. and as a Side bar to
this in Tech support groups, sniping should absolutely be banned.
Because what one deems as unnecessary, might be vital for those that
come to a subject late and do wish to catch up on previous answers.
You asked, there they are. Now I don't 500 post about why either stupid,
or I am silly; that have been gone over previously. Both subjects have
been settled on buried 6 feet deep, and can no long be beat on. The
powers that be have settled on certain standards rooted on the 60's.
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> On 22.05.2008 13:07, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> »Q« wrote:
>>> [crossposted, followup set to mozilla.general]
>>>
>>> If folks want to continue discussing html in messages, or
>>> manners, or lack of manners ;) , please migrate the talk to
>>> mozilla.general. Thanks.
>> Its a useless subject (using HTML in messages) to even talk about.
>> The powers that be have decided (just like Top Posting). Maybe when
>> the crop of Internet bosses croak, Maybe the email and Newsgroups
>> can finally get into the 21st century.
>>
>> My last word on this thread. Its a Comment and I don't want, or
>> expect any replies.
>>
>> and Top posting.
>>
>> Its a dead horse That's been buried and and can no longer be beat.
>>
>
> Nobody that I know of, including myself, is against HTML and Top
> Posting. You do what the rest of the groups ask you to do or not do,
> simple as that. You follow the traditions of the groups you post in.
> If everybody in the group top posts and you bottom post then you're
> going to get beat up and vice-versa, same for HTML. What's so
> difficult about that?
>
What's Changed?? I've stated my reasons for using HTML an Top posting in
this Group. And everyone has made fun of it as being stupid and silly.
Heck there are some here that hates HTML in any form even for websites.
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*bold works*
_does underline work_
/does italic work/
of they don't show as they are supposed to the don't work for me.
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Terry R.
CET pounded out on the keyboard:
My plain text is as readable as any HTML. Only a few people I know send
a large font, mainly because of their own eyesight.
I have my email set to top post. The ONLY reason I do that is because
most of the time replies don't go back and forth for extending periods,
so it isn't confusing to read. But in newsgroups when a post can be
replied to dozens of times, top posting and mixed makes the post too
hard to follow. Usually if someone replies to me when top posting, I'll
re-order it and place their reply at the bottom, and then trim as
needed. I think it's just laziness that is the root of most peoples
complaints.
Terry R.
> Jay Garcia wrote:
Ok, so who has "made fun" of you? Who "hates" HTML?
If you're so set on HTML and top posting, why don't you top post and use
HTML in these groups? If you're doing what is requested, then why is it
an issue at all?
It sounds like you're afraid people don't like you because you use a
Mac. It's all in your head....
Alexander
>
> *bold works*
> _does underline work_
>
> /does italic work/
>
> of they don't show as they are supposed to the don't work for me.
You are using Thunderbird, so they should all work for you. But I admit
formatting is certainly not the strength of plain text (otherwise it
wouldnt be plain text) and those are only workarounds, but they provide
nonetheless a non-disturbing and easy solution.
Alexander
>
> On HTML If the proper size and type font is used in html post (which 99%
> of people have set correctly) For me email or news group post are far
> more readable for me. in Plain Text the words and letter with there mono
> spacing runs together. After you read enough emails and News post
> everything begins to run together.
Well, plain text doesnt mean it has to be monospacing, you can always
set a proportional font. Seen this way only plain text gives you the
choice, with HTML the sender determines which font you'll be getting.
>
> I am not a proponent of using fancy Back grounds, inline Pictures, and
> audio in news post and only in email that the recipients, desire such.
Neither am I, unless of course both parties are happy with it.
>
> In today's day and times most everyone has access to at the minimum DSL
> and in many up to date countries Cable, or satellite. So bandwidth is no
> longer the issue.
Sorry, but here I wouldnt fully agree. Of course, in the US and
(Western) Europe the majority of Internet users in larger cities are
having broadband access, but once you are in the country side people
still often use Modems, let alone most Eastern Europe regions or other
regions.
>
>
> As for top posting: If your writing some one an email as you would a
> letter and wish to reply then Bottom posting should be the norm.
>
> However, all support groups on Newsgroups should be Top posted.
>
> The subject line should ask the Basic question with the original
> question text then as the explanation if needed.
>
> each reply and each succeeding reply should be top posted. This allows
> for easy access of the latest answer given without have having to wade
> to pages and pages of previous replies. This would allow for faster
> reading of Post, and faster ability to answer post you want to
> contribute to, with having to take time to either scroll or use some
> keyboard short cut to wade through those pages. and as a Side bar to
> this in Tech support groups, sniping should absolutely be banned.
> Because what one deems as unnecessary, might be vital for those that
> come to a subject late and do wish to catch up on previous answers.
Given you dont trim down the text and leave the entire conversation
(like I did now) this is certainly the way to go.
>
> You asked, there they are. Now I don't 500 post about why either stupid,
> or I am silly;
Thanks, and no, I wouldnt ever call you this way, I was just curious
about your reasons.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Well, simply put, if you belong to a Chevie car club and you show up in
a Ford .. 'nuff said! :-)
Alexander
>
> Well, simply put, if you belong to a Chevie car club and you show up in
> a Ford .. 'nuff said! :-)
>
That'd be posting off-topic. Your example would be rather like you
belong to a Chevie car club and one day show up in corduroy trousers
instead of blue jeans ;).
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
>>
>> *bold works*
>> _does underline work_
>>
>> /does italic work/
>>
>> of they don't show as they are supposed to the don't work for me.
>
> You are using Thunderbird, so they should all work for you. But I admit
> formatting is certainly not the strength of plain text (otherwise it
> wouldnt be plain text) and those are only workarounds, but they provide
> nonetheless a non-disturbing and easy solution.
>
>
Bold works and italic now works which didn't before. (have recently
switched from Courier New to just Courier for plain text. (Default
Monospace for TBird and SM on Mac).
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Phillip M. Jones, CET http://www.vpea.org
If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! mailto:pjo...@kimbanet.com
http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm
Mac G4-500, OSX.3.9, 1.5GB Mac 17" PowerBook G4-1.67 GHz, 2 GB OSX.4.11
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Alexander
>
> Bold works and italic now works which didn't before. (have recently
> switched from Courier New to just Courier for plain text. (Default
> Monospace for TBird and SM on Mac).
>
Also? Well, I suppose it isnt supported by all clients (although it
seems strange as, at least in this example, they should have the same
code base), but then at least in Thunderbird you can see its not too
difficult to implement without immediately having the need of a
full-scale document description language which is often abused.
Alexander
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>> Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
>>> *bold works*
>>> _does underline work_
>>>
>>> /does italic work/
>>>
>>> of they don't show as they are supposed to the don't work for me.
>> You are using Thunderbird, so they should all work for you. But I admit
>> formatting is certainly not the strength of plain text (otherwise it
>> wouldnt be plain text) and those are only workarounds, but they provide
>> nonetheless a non-disturbing and easy solution.
>>
>>
> also doesn't work on SeaMonkey as well never has.
>
> Bold works and italic now works which didn't before. (have recently
> switched from Courier New to just Courier for plain text. (Default
> Monospace for TBird and SM on Mac).
>
it works on SM just fine.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
I use to Top Post, and I use to use HTML and was constantly harangued,
made fun of, laughed at for it.
I've just have too many aches and pains, and just don't have any fire
left. As the saying goes no point at tilting as Windmills. Does no good.
I just hate it that everyone is still stuck in the 1960's.
Here we are supposed to have all of this modern technology, and will
still stuck using Buggy whips.
Mozilla has settled on strict guidelines. If you visit Roman you must do
as the Romans do.
It wouldn't make any difference any way. I use a mac because I've
experienced the failings of PC when using DOS and Windows, and Vowed I
never want to own anything where I have to dig and find bad files in the
system repair screwed up registry. Fight every day with 10 million new
Virus, Malware attacks. deal with surreptitiously installed key loggers.
Or a system when a application decided on it own it needed an update, It
does it on it own at the expense of being able to use for little more
than a glorified room lamp while it doing it. I've lived through all of
that when I worked as a Service Tech for a school system.
I turn on My Mac wait a few seconds for system to load. open any
application I want do what I intended to do without having to worry
about a system or application Crash. I've never see a system Crash since
OSX.3 and use OSX.3.9 and X.4.11 now. I've never had any application to
crash in years except Mozilla Products. never had a system Freeze.
So what people think about me using Macs I no long care. I know how
reliable Mac's and Mac systems are. and that's good enough for me.
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> If you visit Roman you must do
> as the Romans do.
Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
that post over every server hooked up to USENET. (I can remember in
Netscape Communicator days it did. and If you come across the place
holder for canceled post you clicked on a Line and it would wipe ever
header reference to canceled post out of your system.
Gone are the good old days.
Tarkus
>> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.
>
> Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D
Right next to the rest of the dehydrated meals. ;)
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> I use to Top Post, and I use to use HTML and was constantly harangued,
> made fun of, laughed at for it.
I think you still don't understand the concept of "When in Rome, do as
the Romans do". In a .support group where there is no reason to post in
anything but plain text, unless you're in an HTML discussion or MM
group. Posters are not going to post in HTML to suit only those that
have sight problems, etc. Those with vision problems have to adjust
their own custom viewing options.
As far as top posting, there is nothing wrong with that IF and only IF
the guidelines/traditions in the particular group call for it.
Otherwise, you post accordingly. I hate top posting in ANY support venue
... but ... in the old secnews Mac group, I posted as per the wishes of
the group - top post - and made no bones about it.
My AOL/Netscape co-workers all top post in email replies .. so, guess
what? .. so do I. :-)
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Nah, that's "Raman" not Roman .. :-)
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> »Q« wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 May 2008 10:58:13 -0500
>> Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> News posts should be allowed to be cancelled by the original poster
>>> which would eliminate the need to post a correction(s) which takes up
>>> more space, etc. And then we wouldn't have to enter a bug and then
>>> find someone to fix it.
>>
>> It's been a long time since Usenet could work that way, thanks to
>> malicious third-party cancels.
> It should be fixed so if you cancel of your own, at your end it kills
> that post over every server hooked up to USENET. (I can remember in
> Netscape Communicator days it did. and If you come across the place
> holder for canceled post you clicked on a Line and it would wipe ever
> header reference to canceled post out of your system.
>
> Gone are the good old days.
>
That's not what he's speaking of. In Communicator for instance you could
create the ID of the "other poster" and cancel his/her post. That's the
"malicious" he's speaking of. Can do in TB as well.
Tarkus
> On 23.05.2008 14:03, Tarkus wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.
>>> Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D
>> Right next to the rest of the dehydrated meals. ;)
>
> Nah, that's "Raman" not Roman .. :-)
Yeah, but clearly that was a typo. ;p
Terry R.
Jones, C.E.T pounded out on the keyboard:
> It wouldn't make any difference any way. I use a mac because I've
> experienced the failings of PC when using DOS and Windows, and Vowed I
> never want to own anything where I have to dig and find bad files in the
> system repair screwed up registry. Fight every day with 10 million new
> Virus, Malware attacks. deal with surreptitiously installed key loggers.
> Or a system when a application decided on it own it needed an update, It
> does it on it own at the expense of being able to use for little more
> than a glorified room lamp while it doing it. I've lived through all of
> that when I worked as a Service Tech for a school system.
>
> I turn on My Mac wait a few seconds for system to load. open any
> application I want do what I intended to do without having to worry
> about a system or application Crash. I've never see a system Crash since
> OSX.3 and use OSX.3.9 and X.4.11 now. I've never had any application to
> crash in years except Mozilla Products. never had a system Freeze.
>
> So what people think about me using Macs I no long care. I know how
> reliable Mac's and Mac systems are. and that's good enough for me.
It's those two paragraphs Phillip that get you in trouble. The first
one is just rubbish, to be polite.
Funny, Apple runs it's Updater automatically constantly during the day
unless someone is smart enough to remove it from Scheduled Tasks. And
it silently pushed Safari to thousands/millions of users without their
even knowing it. What you LIVED through is the past, and you clearly
don't know what the status quo is now.
I service a lot of Macs. They're no different than PC's, trust me I
know. You seriously have a clouded vision. And I can't believe you
NEVER had an app crash or NEVER had a system freeze. If that's true I
would have to say you probably don't put your Mac to task.
Daniel
> On 23.05.2008 00:30, Daniel wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> On 22.05.2008 10:34, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>>
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>
>>>> Then you might have Chris I come in here and tell you this
>>>> server isn't Usenet.
>>> Well, it isn't "usenet", the posts are not propagated/fed to/from
>>> usenet, only Google.
>>>
>> Well!!!....almost, Jay.
>>
>> Daniel
>
> Technically speaking, it's not. Behavior-wise ... yup. :-)
>
>
>
My Usenet ISP is news.teranews.com, and, if you check it out, it
provides groups m.s.seamonkey, m.s.firefox, etc.
Now whilst the posts I see on the news.mozills.org server are not all
appearing there, the posts for the Thursday Thunderbird bug clean ups
program have been appearing on the teranews server group. Haven't
checked in a couple of weeks, so don't know if it's still happening!
Daniel
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
We've been through all this previously. n.m.o. groups are not propagated
to usenet or teranews. You can get an explanation from someone else then.
Daniel
>> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.
>
> Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D
>
Isn't that a Church?? Or maybe its just short of Romania??
Daniel
Daniel
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>
>> Well, simply put, if you belong to a Chevie car club and you show up in
>> a Ford .. 'nuff said! :-)
>>
>
> That'd be posting off-topic. Your example would be rather like you
> belong to a Chevie car club and one day show up in corduroy trousers
> instead of blue jeans ;).
>
> Alexander
>
...but who would wear cords in a Ford in any case??
Daniel
Keith Latham
> Keith Latham wrote:
>>
>> this whole nasty exchange could hae been avoided if TB could filter
>> out GoogleGroups.
>
> I guess you are referring to the initial posting of Ann? However here
> I'd really like to comment that this wasnt where this "exchange"
> originated from but rather the posting of someone else, where this
> particular person felt the unnecessary desire to "educate" others about
> technological pros and cons in a rather rude manner.
>
> By the way, I agree with Q that mozilla.general is the better place for
> this, so I am setting there a follow up ....
>
> Alexander
>
Yes that was my intention. However, I think that the OP is not
monitoring this NG or mozilla.general. The lack of any follow up post
from the OP indicates to me that is was an accidental cross post not
intended for 'us'.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
We've been through all this previously. [Some] n.m.o groups
*are* propagated to [some] usenet [servers]. You can get an
explanation from someone else then. :-)
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
he could have meant Roman Polanski, or roman a type of
typeface, or the Actress Ruth Roman, or the town Roman of
Romania, or the boxer Jose "King" Roman, or the Classical
Musician Johan Helmich Roman, or . . . shall I continue?
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
thats right, everytime you moved your leg to step on the gas
and then the brakes, you'd hear this strange noise, and not
realizing its coming from those damned cords.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> We've been through all this previously. [Some] n.m.o groups
> *are* propagated to [some] usenet [servers]. You can get an
> explanation from someone else then. :-)
Really? Which ones?
The COX "usenet" system carries two mozilla support groups:
mozilla.support.firefox
mozilla.support.thunderbird
Both do not show any feeds from n.m.o. ... wonder why? Could it be that
n.m.o does not feed to "usenet" or maybe some other "usenet"?
My memory fails at times but I think one or two of your gang buddies
mentioned that n.m.o is only fed to Google Groups.
»Q«
Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
> On 23.05.2008 21:31, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> > We've been through all this previously. [Some] n.m.o groups
> > *are* propagated to [some] usenet [servers]. You can get an
> > explanation from someone else then. :-)
>
> Really? Which ones?
>
> The COX "usenet" system carries two mozilla support groups:
>
> mozilla.support.firefox
> mozilla.support.thunderbird
>
> Both do not show any feeds from n.m.o. ... wonder why?
Because you're right that they aren't fed to Usenet, heh.
I think Giganews Usenet servers may also carry the groups (but not
propagate them to other Usenet servers). Actually, I'm pretty sure
they do, and that's how the Thunderbird cleanup posts escape -- those
posts are crossposted to groups that /are/ Usenet groups, so they get
propagated by Giganews. Here are the Path and Newsgroups headers of
Teranews' copy of the latest one:
Path:
news.teranews.com!newsfeed.teranews.com!beE1!out03b.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in04.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!oleane.net!oleane!news.ecp.fr!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.mozilla.org!news.mozilla.org.POSTED!not-for-mail
Newsgroups:
mozilla.dev.quality,mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird,mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey,mozilla.dev.apps.calendar,mozilla.support.thunderbird,mozilla.support.seamonkey,netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news
»Q«
Keith Latham <fa...@address.com> wrote:
> Alexander wrote:
> > Keith Latham wrote:
> >>
> >> this whole nasty exchange could hae been avoided if TB could
> >> filter out GoogleGroups.
> >
> > I guess you are referring to the initial posting of Ann? However
> > here I'd really like to comment that this wasnt where this
> > "exchange" originated from but rather the posting of someone else,
> > where this particular person felt the unnecessary desire to
> > "educate" others about technological pros and cons in a rather rude
> > manner.
> >
> > By the way, I agree with Q that mozilla.general is the better place
> > for this, so I am setting there a follow up ....
>
> Yes that was my intention. However, I think that the OP is not
> monitoring this NG or mozilla.general. The lack of any follow up post
> from the OP indicates to me that is was an accidental cross post not
> intended for 'us'.
The OP didn't get any help with her problem other than a suggestion to
make sure the Flash plugin is installed. She may have just given up on
trying to follow such a noisy thread.
»Q«
Daniel <dx...@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
> Alexander wrote:
> > Jay Garcia wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, simply put, if you belong to a Chevie car club and you show
> >> up in a Ford .. 'nuff said! :-)
> >
> > That'd be posting off-topic. Your example would be rather like you
> > belong to a Chevie car club and one day show up in corduroy
> > trousers instead of blue jeans ;).
>
> ...but who would wear cords in a Ford in any case??
The friction will only make the tank explode if you sit in the /back/
seat.
Daniel
So are you saying, Q, that those who post m.s.thunderbird on
news.teranews.com might think they are really posting to m.s.thunderbird
on this server, and, therefore, getting help from the horses' mouth, so
to speak??
Daniel
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Right, a "single" server is not "usenet" even though that particular
server feeds to/from usenet. Wikipedia has a really good entry for "usenet".
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
That's it, you got it! ;-)
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>
>> Bold works and italic now works which didn't before. (have recently
>> switched from Courier New to just Courier for plain text. (Default
>> Monospace for TBird and SM on Mac).
>>
>
> seems strange as, at least in this example, they should have the same
> code base), but then at least in Thunderbird you can see its not too
> difficult to implement without immediately having the need of a
> full-scale document description language which is often abused.
>
> Alexander
>
The same problem shows up in Thunderbird for Mac both on the G4 tower
and the PB17" the tower uses X.3.9 the lap top uses X.4.11.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
>> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.
>
> Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D
>
Its a neighborhood inside Rome ;-)
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
someone has done it.
I read message faster and could post replies faster when top posting
was the norm. But you do what the powers that be say for you to do.
As I said the fight has gone. I no longer have an spirit. I am legion
just like the other lemmings that march to the same tune.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
set that way) and a screen comes up with the update available. you have
a choice of canceling or clicking later or running the update. If the
updater doesn't use a preference Control panel, open the update
application and go to preferences and set.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
on to 9:00pm at night.
I use MS Office products, I use Adobe Acrobat, I use Graphics program
such a Graphics Converter, I burn C's DVD's I download and work with
digital cameras using iPhoto. I use SeaMonkey. Out of all the programs
and utilities I use only Mozilla products are likely to crash. The last
time I had a Hang was with OS9.
I've had 4 mac's since 1987 three were Desktop Units (SE-30, 7100/66,
G4-500, PowerBook 17" 1.67GB) out of all of them I've only had to
replace the SuperDrive in the G4-500 a CD-ROM/DVD-RAM Drive, That as
because I screwed it up. I've added hard drives, and RAM. But never had
to replace the originals. In fact the original 30GB Hard drive is in my
G4-500. I just added a western Digital 120 GB Drive for OSX.
I use system utilities such as Disk Utility, DiskWarrior, AppleJack
periodically. to keep system in tip top shape.
And on Occasion I do open up the cabinet and blow out duct or use Vacuum
Cleaner to suck out dust. I keep case situated so there is plenty of air
circulation.
Alexander
> The same problem shows up in Thunderbird for Mac both on the G4 tower
> and the PB17" the tower uses X.3.9 the lap top uses X.4.11.
>
Which problem? Peter actually just confirmed it is working in SM as
well. So I am not seeing a problem anywhere.
Alexander
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Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> I read message faster and could post replies faster when top posting
> was the norm. But you do what the powers that be say for you to do.
Not to labor over a weatherbeaten subject but please explain how it's
faster for you. If there is a reply at the top that makes no sense as
regards the reply directly beneath and out of view, what do you do? Do
you scroll down until you find the related post and then go back up to
top post? I can understand if it's a one-post-one-reply scenario.
I don't do what those "powers" tell me to do, I do what the group
traditions and wishes suggest.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Tarkus wrote:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.
>>> Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D
>> Right next to the rest of the dehydrated meals. ;)
> in soup isle of the groc. store :-)
I don't know about where you keep your soup, but at my
grocery store, they're in the soup aisle, not on an island ;-)
Terry R.
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>> The same problem shows up in Thunderbird for Mac both on the G4 tower
>> and the PB17" the tower uses X.3.9 the lap top uses X.4.11.
>>
>
> Which problem? Peter actually just confirmed it is working in SM as
> well. So I am not seeing a problem anywhere.
>
> Alexander
>
Phillip has complained about this for a long time. But his "tests"
always show up okay. I think he has mucked up his settings somewhere,
because he's been told it isn't a bug.
--
Terry R.
Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
Terry R.
The point is that an APPLE product does exactly the same thing as the
Windows programs you complain about. How many users will ever know that
the Updater has installed itself as a Scheduled Task and is constantly
checking throughout the day for updates? Sucking CPU cycles just like
adware/malware. Are you absolutely sure the Updater is ONLY running
when the computer is turned on? If they have it set to constantly check
in Windows, it's probably the same on a Mac.
Terry R.
So you really don't do anything that intensive, and you could easily do
it on a Windows or Linux machine also. Nothing so proprietary that
requires a Mac. My main programs I use aren't available in Mac or
Linux, and I haven't had success using Wine with them either (unless it
was a frustrating day, then the wine is very soothing ;-) )
I can't remember the last time I had a program crash. XP hasn't crashed
on it's own accord. I had it crash when a hard drive was going south
due to bad sectors, and another time when my display adapter was
failing. My clients rarely have crashes either. It's really a thing of
the past IMO. The NT kernel is very stable. I do little things that
keeps problems out of the way, like batch files that clean temp folders
on startup. That little trick takes so many issues out of the way, even
malware issues a lot of the time, because malware can sit in temp
folders and not even be executed right away. Regular cleaning prevents
a lot of that.
Alexander
>
> XP hasn't crashed
> on it's own accord. I had it crash when a hard drive was going south
> due to bad sectors, and another time when my display adapter was
> failing. My clients rarely have crashes either. It's really a thing of
> the past IMO.
I can absolutely confirm this. The last time I experienced regular
crashes it was due to a hardware issue. If you dont have defective
hardware or bad drivers Windows does not crash.
> The NT kernel is very stable.
Yes, I second this.
Daniel
A single server????
teranews.com, usenetserver.com, newshosting.com, fjserv.net, oleane.net,
ecp.fr, giganews.com.
Probably not a significant number compared to those on the Usenet, but
still more than one!
Daniel
Daniel
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.
>>
>> Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D
>>
>
>
> Its a neighborhood inside Rome ;-)
>
Ahhh!! Just like the Vatican City is a neighborhood (State) inside Rome!!
Daniel
Daniel
>
> I don't do what those "powers" tell me to do,
>
Always thought you were a renegade, Jay!!
Daniel
Ken Whiton
*-* In Article z7-dndawwZ4IM6XV...@mozilla.org,
*-* Daniel wrote
*-* About Re: Help me plz
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 23.05.2008 23:20, »Q« wrote:
>> --- Original Message ---
>>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:51:16 -0500
>>> Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
>>>> On 23.05.2008 21:31, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>>> We've been through all this previously. [Some] n.m.o groups *are*
>>>>> propagated to [some] usenet [servers]. You can get an
>>>>> explanation from someone else then. :-)
>>>> Really? Which ones?
>>>> The COX "usenet" system carries two mozilla support groups:
>>>> mozilla.support.firefox
>>>> mozilla.support.thunderbird
>>>> Both do not show any feeds from n.m.o. ... wonder why?
>>> Because you're right that they aren't fed to Usenet, heh.
>>> I think Giganews Usenet servers may also carry the groups (but not
>>> propagate them to other Usenet servers).
Considering that Giganews hosts n.m.o, that sounds reasonable.
Or is n.m.o hosted on (a) separate server(s) than their Usenet
servers?
>>> Actually, I'm pretty
>>> sure they do, and that's how the Thunderbird cleanup posts escape
>>> -- those posts are crossposted to groups that /are/ Usenet groups,
>>> so they get propagated by Giganews. Here are the Path and
>>> Newsgroups headers of Teranews' copy of the latest one:
>>> Path:
>>> news.teranews.com!newsfeed.teranews.com!beE1!out03b.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in04.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!oleane.net!oleane!news.ecp.fr!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.mozilla.org!news.mozilla.org.POSTED!not-for-mail
>>> Newsgroups:
>>> mozilla.dev.quality,mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird,mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey,mozilla.dev.apps.calendar,mozilla.support.thunderbird,mozilla.support.seamonkey,netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news
Giganews' list of publicly available newsgroups includes *no*
mozilla.* groups, but it has a long list of netscape.public.mozilla.*
groups. Since netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news is one of the groups
listed in that header, you (»Q«) are right that that's how those
"cleanup posts" are propagated.
>> Right, a "single" server is not "usenet" even though that
>> particular server feeds to/from usenet. Wikipedia has a really good
>> entry for "usenet".
> A single server????
> Probably not a significant number compared to those on the Usenet,
> but still more than one!
Those are the servers that post passed through on its way from
Giganews to Teranews. It doesn't necessarily mean that any of those
servers actually carry the group(s) involved, although as I pointed
out above that particular post was legitimately propagated to Usenet
(via netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news).
As I mentioned above, Giganews lists *no* publicly available
mozilla.* groups. In addition, usenetserver.com lists *one* such
group, mozilla.support.firefox, which has fewer than 300 posts over
the past three months. Contrast that with the more than 4,700 posts
in that group on n.m.o over the same time period.
Ken Whiton
FIDO: 1:132/152
InterNet: kenw...@surfglobal.net.INVAL (remove the obvious to reply)
»Q«
Ken Whiton <kenw...@surfglobal.net.INVAL> wrote:
> > A single server????
>
> > teranews.com, usenetserver.com, newshosting.com, fjserv.net,
> > oleane.net, ecp.fr, giganews.com.
>
> > Probably not a significant number compared to those on the Usenet,
> > but still more than one!
>
> Those are the servers that post passed through on its way from
> Giganews to Teranews. It doesn't necessarily mean that any of those
> servers actually carry the group(s) involved, although as I pointed
> out above that particular post was legitimately propagated to Usenet
> (via netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news).
That's a good point. As long as there's at least one legit Usenet
group in the Newsgroups header, servers are doing the right thing to
propagate the post. Hopefully most of them are only indexing it for
n.p.m.mail-news.
IMO, it'd be better if news.mozilla.org server just rejected
any posts that are crossposted to groups outside of mozilla.*
»Q«
Daniel <dx...@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
> So are you saying, Q, that those who post m.s.thunderbird on
> news.teranews.com might think they are really posting to
> m.s.thunderbird on this server, and, therefore, getting help from the
> horses' mouth, so to speak??
Probably[1] they either think that their server does communicate with
the mozilla server or it never occurs to them that there is a mozilla
server.
[1] It's dangerous to guess what people on Usenet think, same as
here. ;)
»Q«
Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
> On 24.05.2008 08:36, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>
> > I read message faster and could post replies faster when top
> > posting was the norm. But you do what the powers that be say for
> > you to do.
>
> Not to labor over a weatherbeaten subject but please explain how it's
> faster for you. If there is a reply at the top that makes no sense as
> regards the reply directly beneath and out of view, what do you do? Do
> you scroll down until you find the related post and then go back up to
> top post? I can understand if it's a one-post-one-reply scenario.
I expect Phillip's answer will be somewhat different, but I can explain
why top posts are so much faster for me to deal with -- I skip them. ;)
Daniel
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:41:30 -0400
> Ken Whiton <kenw...@surfglobal.net.INVAL> wrote:
>
>>> A single server????
>>> teranews.com, usenetserver.com, newshosting.com, fjserv.net,
>>> oleane.net, ecp.fr, giganews.com.
>>> Probably not a significant number compared to those on the Usenet,
>>> but still more than one!
>> Those are the servers that post passed through on its way from
>> Giganews to Teranews. It doesn't necessarily mean that any of those
>> servers actually carry the group(s) involved, although as I pointed
>> out above that particular post was legitimately propagated to Usenet
>> (via netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news).
So this means TPTB are putting the word out onto Usenet, but not looking
after those out there!! Strange!! Perhaps a note on the end, pointing
them here (n.m.o or even google) to the "real" groups might be handy!
>
> That's a good point. As long as there's at least one legit Usenet
> group in the Newsgroups header, servers are doing the right thing to
> propagate the post. Hopefully most of them are only indexing it for
> n.p.m.mail-news.
>
> IMO, it'd be better if news.mozilla.org server just rejected
> any posts that are crossposted to groups outside of mozilla.*
IMHO it would be better if those on the Usenet groups were directed to
where they might get the good Oil!!
And who knows, there might be some real knowledgeable persons struggling
to answer all these Usenet questions, and we might benefit from their
knowledge here!! Who knows??
Daniel
»Q«
"Terry R." <Terry...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> I can't remember the last time I had a program crash. XP hasn't
> crashed on it's own accord. I had it crash when a hard drive was
> going south due to bad sectors, and another time when my display
> adapter was failing.
Now you've done it! You realize that the drives Apple sells are
incapable of developing bad sectors, right? ;)
In all these years, I've only been able to get XP to crash once. I
used a drive emulator to emulate more optical drives than my physical
hardware could have handled, and that did it. But there was a setting
I could increase which would raise the number of drives XP was willing
to deal with, and that worked.
> My clients rarely have crashes either. It's really a thing of the past
> IMO. The NT kernel is very stable.
I think the other major factor is WHQL for drivers. Once manufacturers
were forced to write decent drivers, even Win98 is very stable (though
not as stable as the ones with NT kernels).
»Q«
Daniel <dx...@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
> And who knows, there might be some real knowledgeable persons
> struggling to answer all these Usenet questions, and we might benefit
> from their knowledge here!! Who knows??
That's where we found David McRitchie, heh. He's got a lot more volume
to deal with now. ;)
Terry R.
on the keyboard:
Funny you said that. I was just thinking the other day how I rarely see
drivers that are certified. They surely weren't "forced". I see that
"Continue" or "Stop" dialog a lot. I think the manufacturers realized
they can make good drivers and don't need to pay MS for their "certified
driver" status.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Those are single servers, yes, but not one of them is "usenet". They
subscribe to the usenet feed to and from and by doing so they ALL make
up what is known as usenet.
Back in the "days" when the internet was still young and usenet was just
getting on the wire, we purchased/contracted for a feed from UUNET. We
contracted to download I think it was 12 gig daily with a max of 10
concurrent users on our wire at one time. Now THAT was usenet! What
propagated across the wire is "usenet", not just OUR server.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Yah, a bit crazy but not "stupid". There IS a difference. :-)