Facebook has problems!!

[Daniel]

Users vow to desert Facebook amid latest scandal

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-04/users-vow-to-desert-facebook-amid-latest-privacy-scandal/4295964

--
Daniel

[Felixx]

On 10/4/2012 10:52, Daniel wrote:
> Users vow to desert Facebook amid latest scandal
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-04/users-vow-to-desert-facebook-amid-latest-privacy-scandal/4295964
>
>

Who needs it? I don't. I recommend everyone block it in HOSTS file and
when doing searches (google settings provides a way), then just forget
about it. Wah lah, no more problems! :)
--
Fx

[goodwin]

okay, that stops /you/ from going there but thats about all,

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

It would also block all those silly "Like" buttons that are so common on
the WWW, and stop the downloads of the quarter-megabyte JavaScript on each
of those sites.

So it is worthwhile...

--
-bts
-This space for rent, but the price is high

[Christian Riechers]

On 10/04/2012 09:43 PM, Felixx wrote:
> Wah lah, no more problems! :)

Wah lah? Oh boy!
Voilà!
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0

--
Christian

[goodwin]

I don't see any of that - seems maybe adblock takes care of it - I have
fb blocked there
but thanks for the input, I'll add it to Hosts anyway, can't hurt...

[Felixx]

Never saw that before. I've always seen it spelled wa la but I think
adding the h'es makes it clearer. Looks like I was correct according to...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wah%20lah
:)
--
Fx
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/topics

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Felixx wrote:

> On 10/4/2012 16:58, Christian Riechers wrote:
>> On 10/04/2012 09:43 PM, Felixx wrote:
>>> Wah lah, no more problems! :)
>>
>> Wah lah? Oh boy!
>> Voilà!
>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0
>>
> Never saw that before. I've always seen it spelled wa la but I think
> adding the h'es makes it clearer. Looks like I was correct according
> to... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wah%20lah :)

LOL. Correct? Did you read the definition on that page?

[Ron Hunter]

It tells something about the people some people associate with... No
Frenchmen in the group. Grin.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Ron Hunter wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Felixx wrote:

>>> Christian Riechers wrote:
>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>> Wah lah, no more problems! :)
>>>>
>>>> Wah lah? Oh boy!
>>>> Voilà!
>>>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0
>>>>
>>> Never saw that before. I've always seen it spelled wa la but I think
>>> adding the h'es makes it clearer. Looks like I was correct according
>>> to... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wah%20lah :)
>>
>> LOL. Correct? Did you read the definition on that page?
>
> It tells something about the people some people associate with... No
> Frenchmen in the group. Grin.

Viola! What a revelation! ;-)

--
-bts
-Not from Walla Walla, Washington

[Daniel]

Viola....isn't that a musical instrument?? Like a baby violin!!

--
Daniel

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Well, actually it was a bit of a joke. Sometimes, people with a bit more
of a clue spell voilà as viola - rather than wah lah (or more common,
walla).

A viola (vee-oh-luh) is a 'large' violin. It fits in the family between a
violin and a cello. Like a tenor sax is between an alto and a baritone sax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola

[Jay Garcia]

On 05.10.2012 07:39, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

It's also the name of a good friend of mine's wife.


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Mozilla Contribute Coordinator Team - www.mozilla.org/contribute/
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Mozilla Contributor Member - www.mozilla.org/credits/

[Ron Hunter]

I guess I grew up in a more educated environment. I have never seen
'voila' spelled 'wa-lah', or any other variation until this thread
started. Probably some of the people I have been around probably
couldn't spell it, but when they say it, who can tell?

[Ron Hunter]

So, Jay, how do the French descendents in your area spell the word?
Those who can write, that is. Grin.

[Jay Garcia]

On 05.10.2012 08:26, Ron Hunter wrote:

--- Original Message ---

It's not spelled "wa-lah", that's a phonetic spelling to convey the
pronunciation for "voila".

voi·là interjection \vwä-ˈlä\

[Jay Garcia]

The French is "voila" not Viola (proper name). My daughter taught high
school English in the Cajun Country and every student could write AND spell.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Ron Hunter wrote:

> I guess I grew up in a more educated environment. I have never seen
> 'voila' spelled 'wa-lah', or any other variation until this thread
> started. Probably some of the people I have been around probably
> couldn't spell it, but when they say it, who can tell?

Hang around Usenet for awhile, and you'll find it spelled 'walla' or
'wahla' or 'wahlah' more often than it's spelled correctly. :-)

I don't know who or what to blame for it. Surely, when I went to
elementary school in the 40s and 50s, spelling was important and we all
learned how. I'm certain I had encountered the word before I got to junior
high. (And not in a French class.)

Spelling has always been something to which I pay close attention.
<http://tekrider.net/general/checker.php>

[Ron Hunter]

What about their parents, and grandparents. When I was growing up, we
had a Cajun in town who wasn't educated, but was a great guy. He was a
bit hard to understand, though. Grin.
His wife was the head cook at the high school cafeteria, and was allowed
to make a spicey dish once a year, and when she did, EVERYONE ate in the
cafeteria. I have never had any shrimp creole that was as good since.

[Joy Beeson]

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:25:16 -0500, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.non...@example.invalid> wrote:

> I don't know who or what to blame for it. Surely, when I went to
> elementary school in the 40s and 50s, spelling was important and we all
> learned how.

What I hates most about the absent standards is that I'm no longer
allowed to play with the language -- write "wallah!" and everybody
thinks you meant "voila" but couldn't spell it, except for
clench-eyed, finger-eared "descriptivists" who think anything used
once is now a standard term of the very highest register.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net

[Ron Hunter]

Joy,
The word comes from French, and no one is more protective of their
language than the French. There is just no excuse for this kind of
ignorance.

[Joy Beeson]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:38:20 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphu...@charter.net>
wrote:

> The word comes from French, and no one is more protective of their
> language than the French. There is just no excuse for this kind of
> ignorance.

A. To which post was this a reply?

B. To which kind of ignorance do you refer?

[Ron Hunter]

On 10/6/2012 7:01 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:38:20 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphu...@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>> The word comes from French, and no one is more protective of their
>> language than the French. There is just no excuse for this kind of
>> ignorance.
>
> A. To which post was this a reply?
>
> B. To which kind of ignorance do you refer?
>

Spelling words incorrectly because of not knowing how to spell them. Be
definition, ignorance.

[Jeff Barnett]

"Be definition" - is this ignorance too or just a typo? It's really hard
to tell and I'm curious whether I should extend you the same benefit of
doubt that you extended? I'' be more charitable since I'm not a very
good speller nor do I care much.
--
Jeff Barnett

[Ron Hunter]

I am a good speller, but my typing skills have never been good as I had
polio when I was 11. It made my fine coordination much less 'fine' than
it had been before (not great to start with).
Getting old doesn't help the problem.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Ron Hunter wrote:

> On 10/6/2012 9:24 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
>> On 10/6/2012 6:51 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> On 10/6/2012 7:01 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:

>>>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:38:20 -0500, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>> The word comes from French, and no one is more protective of
>>>>> their
>>>>> language than the French. There is just no excuse for this kind of
>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>
>>>> A. To which post was this a reply?
>>>>
>>>> B. To which kind of ignorance do you refer?
>>>>
>>> Spelling words incorrectly because of not knowing how to spell them.
>>> Be definition, ignorance.
>>>
>> "Be definition" - is this ignorance too or just a typo? It's really
>> hard to tell and I'm curious whether I should extend you the same
>> benefit of doubt that you extended? I'' be more charitable since I'm
>> not a very good speller nor do I care much.
>
> I am a good speller, but my typing skills have never been good as I had
> polio when I was 11. It made my fine coordination much less 'fine' than
> it had been before (not great to start with). Getting old doesn't help
> the problem.

It is easy to recognize a typo. "Be" instead of "By" isn't a typo, but
more likely just a mental glitch. "Bu" instead of "By" is a typo, as is
"teh" instead of "the." However, "wah lah" instead of "voilà" is
definitely a spelling error, as in "it sounds like this, so that's how
I'll type it." ;-)

Just think how many extra posts we could have avoided if felixx had his
spell checker turned on!

[Ron Hunter]

Trouble is that there seems to be a 'disconnect' between the verbal part
of the brain and the part that guides the fingers to the right keys.
Muscle memory plays a role in that.
I often type 'me' when I mean 'my' also.

[Felixx]

On 10/7/2012 12:12, Sailfish wrote:
> My bloviated meandering follows what Ron Hunter graced us with on
> 10/7/2012 5:44 AM:

> Me, too ... however, knowing this, I strive to never to be didactic
> about word usage on newsgroup threads :)
>

Spelin is a comunicashun toole to be used freelie, constanly changin,
with many reconized variashuns. IMO thar is no such thang as "cohrec"
spellin. If you don know how its spelt, jus give it your bes shot and it
will probly be understanable phoneticly. Or ifn you don like how its
spelt, chaaange it! I do... :)
--
Fx
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/topics

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Felixx wrote:

> Sailfish wrote:
>> Ron Hunter graced us:

>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>> Ron Hunter wrote:

>>>>> Jeff Barnett wrote:
>>>>>> Ron Hunter wrote:

Wah lah! Cudn't a sed it better meself!

--
-bts
-note that most of those words are underlined in red

[Daniel]

Yes, you could have, Beauregard!!

--
Daniel

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

> Ron Hunter wrote:
>> I guess I grew up in a more educated environment. I have never seen
>> 'voila' spelled 'wa-lah', or any other variation until this thread
>> started. Probably some of the people I have been around probably
>> couldn't spell it, but when they say it, who can tell?
>
> Hang around Usenet for awhile, and you'll find it spelled 'walla' or
> 'wahla' or 'wahlah' more often than it's spelled correctly. :-)

Heh, I had to post this... I just saw in another group:

"Do a swicharoo with a few words and whah lah.... :-?"

..so there is another one to add to the list. (Not counting the
misspelling of "switcheroo" .. or should we?)

[Bob Henson]

Neither have I - surely no-one could be so dim as to use a word they
plainly don't understand without first checking the correct spelling and
etymology? If my spell checker didn't accept a word, I would want to
know why.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK


Don't drink and drive - you'll spill most of it!

[Jay Garcia]

On 13.10.2012 03:55, Bob Henson wrote:

--- Original Message ---

>
>

Viola and voila are both spelled correctly. It's the application that
makes the difference and a spell checker isn't responsible for how thay
are used but rather spelled. Maybe a grammar checker ?? dunno

[Bob Henson]

On 13/10/2012 1:24 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 13.10.2012 03:55, Bob Henson wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>>
>>
>> On 05/10/2012 2:26 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> On 10/5/2012 7:39 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>> Daniel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Christian Riechers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah, no more problems! :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah? Oh boy!

>>>>>>>>>> Voil�!

>>>>>>>>>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Never saw that before. I've always seen it spelled wa la but I think
>>>>>>>>> adding the h'es makes it clearer. Looks like I was correct according
>>>>>>>>> to... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wah%20lah :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL. Correct? Did you read the definition on that page?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It tells something about the people some people associate with... No
>>>>>>> Frenchmen in the group. Grin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Viola! What a revelation! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Viola....isn't that a musical instrument?? Like a baby violin!!
>>>>
>>>> Well, actually it was a bit of a joke. Sometimes, people with a bit more

>>>> of a clue spell voil� as viola - rather than wah lah (or more common,

>>>> walla).
>>>>
>>>> A viola (vee-oh-luh) is a 'large' violin. It fits in the family between a
>>>> violin and a cello. Like a tenor sax is between an alto and a baritone sax.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola
>>>>
>>> I guess I grew up in a more educated environment. I have never seen
>>> 'voila' spelled 'wa-lah', or any other variation until this thread
>>> started. Probably some of the people I have been around probably
>>> couldn't spell it, but when they say it, who can tell?
>>>
>>
>> Neither have I - surely no-one could be so dim as to use a word they
>> plainly don't understand without first checking the correct spelling and
>> etymology? If my spell checker didn't accept a word, I would want to
>> know why.
>>
>
> Viola and voila are both spelled correctly.

They are, but that's not what was being said - the suggestion was that
it was spelled, as Ron said, as "wah lah" or "walla" - I read that as
being literal. However, "voila" is still picked up by my spell checker,
and by anyone else's that doesn't have a French language checker
installed - so it should still be queried if the user doesn't know what
it means. Viola (the instrument) is not, of course, being a normal
English word albeit derived from the Old French "viele" - which may well
be related to our word "fiddle" for a violin.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

A pessimist is an optimist with experience.

[Jay Garcia]

On 13.10.2012 08:44, Bob Henson wrote:

--- Original Message ---

>
>
> On 13/10/2012 1:24 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 13.10.2012 03:55, Bob Henson wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/10/2012 2:26 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>> On 10/5/2012 7:39 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>> Daniel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Christian Riechers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah, no more problems! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah? Oh boy!

>>>>>>>>>>> Voilà!

>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Never saw that before. I've always seen it spelled wa la but I think
>>>>>>>>>> adding the h'es makes it clearer. Looks like I was correct according
>>>>>>>>>> to... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wah%20lah :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL. Correct? Did you read the definition on that page?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It tells something about the people some people associate with... No
>>>>>>>> Frenchmen in the group. Grin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Viola! What a revelation! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Viola....isn't that a musical instrument?? Like a baby violin!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, actually it was a bit of a joke. Sometimes, people with a bit more

>>>>> of a clue spell voilà as viola - rather than wah lah (or more common,

>>>>> walla).
>>>>>
>>>>> A viola (vee-oh-luh) is a 'large' violin. It fits in the family between a
>>>>> violin and a cello. Like a tenor sax is between an alto and a baritone sax.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola
>>>>>
>>>> I guess I grew up in a more educated environment. I have never seen
>>>> 'voila' spelled 'wa-lah', or any other variation until this thread
>>>> started. Probably some of the people I have been around probably
>>>> couldn't spell it, but when they say it, who can tell?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Neither have I - surely no-one could be so dim as to use a word they
>>> plainly don't understand without first checking the correct spelling and
>>> etymology? If my spell checker didn't accept a word, I would want to
>>> know why.
>>>
>>
>> Viola and voila are both spelled correctly.
>
> They are, but that's not what was being said - the suggestion was that
> it was spelled, as Ron said, as "wah lah" or "walla" - I read that as
> being literal. However, "voila" is still picked up by my spell checker,
> and by anyone else's that doesn't have a French language checker
> installed - so it should still be queried if the user doesn't know what
> it means. Viola (the instrument) is not, of course, being a normal
> English word albeit derived from the Old French "viele" - which may well
> be related to our word "fiddle" for a violin.
>

I responded to Ron a day or so ago about the spelling, guess you missed it.

There are always exceptions in spell checkers when words with different
meanings are spelled correctly. Education on the part of the user in
that case comes in to play, it's not the fault of the checker but rather
the checkee :-)

[Bob Henson]

Agreed - but I still find it difficult to believe that the "checkee"
(not sure what The Oxford English Dictionary would make of that word :-)
) could be so dim as not to realise. There is, as they say in my native
Derbyshire, "nowt sa queer as folk!"

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary,
and those who don't.

[Was Greywolf]

On 13/10/2012 10:12 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
> I responded to Ron a day or so ago about the spelling, guess you missed it.
>
> There are always exceptions in spell checkers when words with different
> meanings are spelled correctly. Education on the part of the user in
> that case comes in to play, it's not the fault of the checker but rather
> the checkee:-)

AFAIK, every spell-checker has "Add to dictionary".

--
Best,
Wolf K.

[Bob Henson]

True - but why would anyone add a word without thorough checking first?
That's even more dim.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Licentiae, quam stulti libertatem vocabant - Tacitus

[Ron Hunter]

One problem is that most spell checkers don't have enough words in their
database, and certainly not words in other languages. I often use words
that aren't in the FF/TB spelling dictionary, mostly because they are
'jargon' words, or new words that haven't quite penetrated into the
dictionary yet. Words like 'texting', for instance.

[Ron Hunter]

Interesting that you misspelled 'they' as 'thay', and didn't correct it.
Grin. Some people just don't look back before hitting 'send'.

[Ron Hunter]

Same instrument, but when one refers to a 'fiddle', it is usually
because the player is 'plucking', rather than using the bow alone. Not
a total distinction, and I have heard pieces that used both modes. So
which was it then? Grin.

[Ron Hunter]

Well, Oxford English Dictionary doesn't like the word, but it is in some
dictionaries. The usage in consistent with making other words
'objects'. And my FF dictionary insists 'realise' is not spelled
correctly. British spelling.

[Ron Hunter]

True, but hardly worth the trouble unless you find you are using the
word often, such as my wife's name which is spelled 'unconventionally'.

[Bob Henson]

That's correct - we abandoned the letter z some time back :-) That's
pronounced Zed, not Zee, of course :-) The Firefox British English
Dictionary knows that, of course - and it can spell "colour" correctly,
and "sulphur" :-)

George Bernard Shaw said we were "two nations divided by a common
language". He was quite correct.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future. - Niels Bohr

[Bob Henson]

"Unconventionally" is an unusual (and long) name for a lady :-)

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery?

[Bob Henson]

On 13/10/2012 4:43 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
> On 10/13/2012 8:44 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 13/10/2012 1:24 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> On 13.10.2012 03:55, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 05/10/2012 2:26 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>> On 10/5/2012 7:39 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>> Daniel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Riechers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah, no more problems! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah? Oh boy!

>>>>>>>>>>>> Voilà!

>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Never saw that before. I've always seen it spelled wa la but I think
>>>>>>>>>>> adding the h'es makes it clearer. Looks like I was correct according
>>>>>>>>>>> to... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wah%20lah :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LOL. Correct? Did you read the definition on that page?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It tells something about the people some people associate with... No
>>>>>>>>> Frenchmen in the group. Grin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Viola! What a revelation! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Viola....isn't that a musical instrument?? Like a baby violin!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, actually it was a bit of a joke. Sometimes, people with a bit more

>>>>>> of a clue spell voilà as viola - rather than wah lah (or more common,

It's still a fiddle (or a violin) regardless or whether it is played
pizzicato or not. We could define a fiddle as a coarse, or coarsely
played, violin. Irish folk music, which is perhaps nearest to your
Bluegrass fiddle playing, would rarely be referred to as anything but
fiddle playing, whereas classical music would always be played on a
violin. When I played one, it was referred to as "that bloody thing that
makes a noise like a cat with its tail caught in a door" - but I think
that may have been excessively disparaging.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - Mark
Twain

[Bob Henson]

But I didn't. That was Jay's spelling (American?). The other important
thing when trying to correct someone, is to read the message carefully
before hitting send - but we all miss one every now and then :-)

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

An honest politician is one who, once bought, stays bought.

[Bob Henson]

I always have the abcTajpu extension loaded for that reason - it lets me
add the accented characters missing from English. I only speak a few
words of one or two others languages, but I like to try to get at least
the proper nouns correct. I think my Croatian, French and Italian
acquaintances appreciate it - but the Greek ones will have to learn
English - there are limits :-) As a dedicated old reactionary, I don't
like new words on principle, but I have to give in an let a few into the
user dictionary - I haven't let "inline" in yet, but I "untick" has made
it. Sue tells me off for writing "email" instead of "e-mail" - but they
are both in the dictionary now.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid
you. - Winston Churchill

[PhillipJones]

Bob Henson wrote:
>
>
> On 13/10/2012 4:48 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>> On 10/13/2012 9:31 AM, Was Greywolf wrote:
>>> On 13/10/2012 10:12 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>> I responded to Ron a day or so ago about the spelling, guess you
>>>> missed it.
>>>>
>>>> There are always exceptions in spell checkers when words with different
>>>> meanings are spelled correctly. Education on the part of the user in
>>>> that case comes in to play, it's not the fault of the checker but rather
>>>> the checkee:-)
>>>
>>> AFAIK, every spell-checker has "Add to dictionary".
>>>
>> True, but hardly worth the trouble unless you find you are using the
>> word often, such as my wife's name which is spelled 'unconventionally'.
>>
>
> "Unconventionally" is an unusual (and long) name for a lady :-)
>

;-)

--
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it"
http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjon...@comcast.net

[Ron Hunter]

That is on a sign when you enter Canada from the US between Seattle and
Vancouver. Sister nations separated by a common language. I thought it
was very appropriate.
Since I read a lot of stuff written by British authors, I am familiar
with both spellings.

[Ron Hunter]

On 10/13/2012 12:52 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
>
>
> On 13/10/2012 4:48 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>> On 10/13/2012 9:31 AM, Was Greywolf wrote:
>>> On 13/10/2012 10:12 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>> I responded to Ron a day or so ago about the spelling, guess you
>>>> missed it.
>>>>
>>>> There are always exceptions in spell checkers when words with different
>>>> meanings are spelled correctly. Education on the part of the user in
>>>> that case comes in to play, it's not the fault of the checker but rather
>>>> the checkee:-)
>>>
>>> AFAIK, every spell-checker has "Add to dictionary".
>>>
>> True, but hardly worth the trouble unless you find you are using the
>> word often, such as my wife's name which is spelled 'unconventionally'.
>>
>
> "Unconventionally" is an unusual (and long) name for a lady :-)
>

Very funny. Her name is Loyce (twin sister Joyce), and I have met only
ONE other woman with that name. Strangely, my oldest brother's wife's
name was pronounced exactly like my wife's, but both first and middle
names were spelled differently.

[Ron Hunter]

On 10/13/2012 1:00 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
>
>
> On 13/10/2012 4:43 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>> On 10/13/2012 8:44 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13/10/2012 1:24 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>> On 13.10.2012 03:55, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/10/2012 2:26 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/5/2012 7:39 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>> Daniel wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Riechers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah, no more problems! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah? Oh boy!

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voil�!

>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Never saw that before. I've always seen it spelled wa la but I think
>>>>>>>>>>>> adding the h'es makes it clearer. Looks like I was correct according
>>>>>>>>>>>> to... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wah%20lah :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL. Correct? Did you read the definition on that page?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It tells something about the people some people associate with... No
>>>>>>>>>> Frenchmen in the group. Grin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Viola! What a revelation! ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Viola....isn't that a musical instrument?? Like a baby violin!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, actually it was a bit of a joke. Sometimes, people with a bit more

>>>>>>> of a clue spell voil� as viola - rather than wah lah (or more common,

Or a comment on your playing. I seem to recall a piece called 'banjo
and fiddle' that was played on a violin to illustrate different
techniques, and the versatility of the instrument. It was plucked, and
strummed (difficult), as well as using the bow. Actually sounded rather
good.

[Ron Hunter]

Indeed we do. But the American version of the spell checker does catch
'thay' as an error. Or maybe Jay has a Cajun version of the spell checker?

[Jay Garcia]

It's phonetically correct, so who cares? :-)

[Was Greywolf]

Not necessarily phonetic. There are at least two pronunciations for
"McKay". ;-) That's one reason why phonics is necessary but not
sufficient for teaching English spelling.

And then there's Shaw's famous spelling of "ghoti" for "fish". And you
do know how to pronounce "Cholmondely", right? Or "Featherstonehaugh"? :-)

A girl with very bad spelling improved enormously when I taught her
spelling from first principles: I started with the phonemes. There are
at least 13 ways of spelling /sh/.

--
Best,
Wolf K.

[Ed Mullen]

One can only guess but is it pronounced: LO-is? Or does it rhyme with
her twin's name?

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
You can't trust dogs to watch your food.

[Ron Hunter]

Me.

[Ron Hunter]

Rhymes with Joyce.

[Bob Henson]

On 14/10/2012 1:53 AM, Ron Hunter wrote:
> On 10/13/2012 1:00 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 13/10/2012 4:43 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> On 10/13/2012 8:44 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13/10/2012 1:24 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>>> On 13.10.2012 03:55, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/10/2012 2:26 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/5/2012 7:39 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>> Daniel wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Riechers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah, no more problems! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah? Oh boy!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voilà!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never saw that before. I've always seen it spelled wa la but I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding the h'es makes it clearer. Looks like I was correct according
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wah%20lah :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL. Correct? Did you read the definition on that page?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It tells something about the people some people associate with... No
>>>>>>>>>>> Frenchmen in the group. Grin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Viola! What a revelation! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Viola....isn't that a musical instrument?? Like a baby violin!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, actually it was a bit of a joke. Sometimes, people with a bit more

>>>>>>>> of a clue spell voilà as viola - rather than wah lah (or more common,

I play the banjo (very badly) I've never heard a non-American who could
play it well. I have an old vinyl LP of Eddie Peabody that is stunning.
Strumming a violin must be difficult because of the curve on the neck.
The tuning is exactly the same as a mandolin, of course, but the
mandolin strings are more or less flat across and have convenient frets
to aim at, making it much easier - I can play that badly too.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Diplomacy - the art of letting someone else have your own way.

[Daniel]

Ron Hunter wrote:

<Snip>

> Strangely, my oldest brother's wife's
> name was pronounced exactly like my wife's, but both first and middle
> names were spelled differently.
>

Hey, Ron, what's so strange with your wife and your brother's wife both
being called *Mrs Hunter* ??

--
Daniel

[Jay Garcia]

I'm talking about my typo "thay" instead of "they". If you read the
sentence out loud the listener won't have a clue that "they" is
misspelled "thay" and therefore phonetically correct.

[Jay Garcia]

If I read it to you, you wouldn't know the difference. ;-)

[Jay Garcia]

Your own countryman John Stannard is a very accomplished banjo player
but is more widely known for his guitar skills. When he gets together
with David Hartley (steel guitar) it can be quite an awesome experience.

[Bob Henson]

On 14/10/2012 12:33 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 14.10.2012 03:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> I play the banjo (very badly) I've never heard a non-American who could
>> play it well. I have an old vinyl LP of Eddie Peabody that is stunning.
>> Strumming a violin must be difficult because of the curve on the neck.
>> The tuning is exactly the same as a mandolin, of course, but the
>> mandolin strings are more or less flat across and have convenient frets
>> to aim at, making it much easier - I can play that badly too.
>
> Your own countryman John Stannard is a very accomplished banjo player
> but is more widely known for his guitar skills. When he gets together
> with David Hartley (steel guitar) it can be quite an awesome experience.
>

Interesting. I'll see what I can find of his.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

You know you're old when an "allnighter" means you didn't have to go to
the loo once!

[Jay Garcia]

On 14.10.2012 06:58, Bob Henson wrote:

--- Original Message ---

>
>
> On 14/10/2012 12:33 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 14.10.2012 03:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> I play the banjo (very badly) I've never heard a non-American who could
>>> play it well. I have an old vinyl LP of Eddie Peabody that is stunning.
>>> Strumming a violin must be difficult because of the curve on the neck.
>>> The tuning is exactly the same as a mandolin, of course, but the
>>> mandolin strings are more or less flat across and have convenient frets
>>> to aim at, making it much easier - I can play that badly too.
>>
>> Your own countryman John Stannard is a very accomplished banjo player
>> but is more widely known for his guitar skills. When he gets together
>> with David Hartley (steel guitar) it can be quite an awesome experience.
>>
>
> Interesting. I'll see what I can find of his.
>
>

Don't know of any videos of his banjo prowess, I saw him in person a few
times when he played.

[Ed Mullen]

I like the banjo but only play guitar. However, I always liked this joke:

Q: What’s the definition of “perfect pitch”?

A: Throwing a banjo into a dumpster and hitting an accordion.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

"First to come are the midgets, a monkey and a kid. Followed by those
two one-armed jugglers, the ego and the id." - Gordon Lightfoot

[Bob Henson]

However said that had never heard the bag-pipes played at close range :-)

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

[Bob Henson]

No, that should read "Whoever"

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Monday is a terrible way to spend 1/7th of your life.

[Dr J R Stockton]

In mozilla.general message <CK6dna1WZOV3SfPN...@mozilla.org
>, Fri, 5 Oct 2012 07:39:06, Beauregard T. Shagnasty
<a.non...@example.invalid> posted:

>
>Well, actually it was a bit of a joke. Sometimes, people with a bit more
>of a clue spell voilà as viola - rather than wah lah (or more common,
>walla).

A good English dictionary will accept "walla" as a legitimate variant of
"wallah", as used in "punkah-wallah".

--
(c) John Stockton, nr London UK. ???@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v6.05 MIME.
Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.
Check boilerplate spelling -- error is a public sign of incompetence.
Never fully trust an article from a poster who gives no full real name.

[Dr J R Stockton]

In mozilla.general message <epCdneZM187H5uTN...@mozilla.org
>, Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:31:57, Was Greywolf <wek...@sympatico.ca>
posted:

>On 13/10/2012 10:12 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>> I responded to Ron a day or so ago about the spelling, guess you missed it.
>>
>> There are always exceptions in spell checkers when words with different
>> meanings are spelled correctly. Education on the part of the user in
>> that case comes in to play, it's not the fault of the checker but rather
>> the checkee:-)
>
>AFAIK, every spell-checker has "Add to dictionary".

Often, "Subtract from dictionary" would also be useful.

--
(c) John Stockton, nr London UK. Mail, see homepage. DOS 3.3, 6.20; WinXP, 7.
Web <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQqish topics, acronyms & links.
PAS EXE TXT ZIP via <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/00index.htm>
My DOS <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/batfiles.htm> - also batprogs.htm.

[Ron Hunter]

I am sure that strumming a violin would be very difficult, which would
be a good challenge to the player. However, many pieces I have heard do
some plucking.

[Ron Hunter]

Loyce Fay Hunter and Lois Faye Hunter. Pretty strange.
They moved to Arizona, for their health, and both of them, and their
oldest daughter are all dead. Healthy? Don't see it.

[Ron Hunter]

Yes, but one needs to be clear in both written and spoken communication.
Many words that people usually say alike are actually pronounced
differently, at least by people who take the time to do them right.

[Ron Hunter]

I really don't understand WHY, but I enjoy bag-pipe music, for a short
time. It can get pretty old after a while, though. It's rather like
the canons in the 1812 Overture. Great, but I wouldn't want to listen
to them all the time.

[Ron Hunter]

On 10/14/2012 1:17 PM, Dr J R Stockton wrote:
> In mozilla.general message <epCdneZM187H5uTN...@mozilla.org
>> , Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:31:57, Was Greywolf <wek...@sympatico.ca>
> posted:
>
>> On 13/10/2012 10:12 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> I responded to Ron a day or so ago about the spelling, guess you missed it.
>>>
>>> There are always exceptions in spell checkers when words with different
>>> meanings are spelled correctly. Education on the part of the user in
>>> that case comes in to play, it's not the fault of the checker but rather
>>> the checkee:-)
>>
>> AFAIK, every spell-checker has "Add to dictionary".
>
> Often, "Subtract from dictionary" would also be useful.
>

The add on dictionary is a text file you can easily edit with a text editor.

[Ed Mullen]

Well! That's the other instrument I love hearing!!!

Do you think I might be partially deaf?

Seriously, I have a whole folder of bagpipe music on my system.

Hasn't dived into a dumpster or broken my system yet.

"Aaaa-mazing grace ..."

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

Just for today, I will not sit in my living room all day in my
underwear. Instead, I will move my computer into the bedroom.

[Ed Mullen]

Bob Henson wrote:
>
>
> On 14/10/2012 5:28 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
>>

>>> Q: What�s the definition of �perfect pitch�?

>>>
>>> A: Throwing a banjo into a dumpster and hitting an accordion.
>>>
>> However said that had never heard the bag-pipes played at close range :-)
>>
>>
>
> No, that should read "Whoever"
>

Yeah, but I read it just as it was intended.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

"If you plan to face tomorrow, do it soon." - Gordon Lightfoot

[The Real Bev]

On 10/14/2012 06:39 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> Bob Henson wrote:
>> On 14/10/2012 4:16 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>
>>> Q: What’s the definition of “perfect pitch”?
>>>
>>> A: Throwing a banjo into a dumpster and hitting an accordion.
>>>
>> However said that had never heard the bag-pipes played at close range :-)
>
> Well! That's the other instrument I love hearing!!!
>
> Do you think I might be partially deaf?
>
> Seriously, I have a whole folder of bagpipe music on my system.
>
> Hasn't dived into a dumpster or broken my system yet.
>
> "Aaaa-mazing grace ..."

Bagpipes and banjo are both wonderful. Maybe ALL instruments are
wonderful...

Q: Why is a viola better than a violin?
A: It burns longer.

--
Cheers, Bev
===================================================================
"You know that I could go on the Internet right now under my
alternate screen name, "CherryXXX69," and get complete strangers to
email me a picture of their scrotum. I tell you, this country gave
the finger to privacy a long time ago." -- Bill Maher

[The Real Bev]

There are some Paganini violin things that are beyond belief. The guy
was REALLY a showoff.

[The Real Bev]

On 10/13/2012 05:24 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:

> On 13.10.2012 03:55, Bob Henson wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>>
>>
>> On 05/10/2012 2:26 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> On 10/5/2012 7:39 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>> Daniel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Christian Riechers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah, no more problems! :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah? Oh boy!
>>>>>>>>>> Voilà!
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Never saw that before. I've always seen it spelled wa la but I think
>>>>>>>>> adding the h'es makes it clearer. Looks like I was correct according
>>>>>>>>> to... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wah%20lah :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL. Correct? Did you read the definition on that page?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It tells something about the people some people associate with... No
>>>>>>> Frenchmen in the group. Grin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Viola! What a revelation! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Viola....isn't that a musical instrument?? Like a baby violin!!

BIG violin.

>>>> Well, actually it was a bit of a joke. Sometimes, people with a bit more
>>>> of a clue spell voilà as viola - rather than wah lah (or more common,
>>>> walla).
>>>>
>>>> A viola (vee-oh-luh) is a 'large' violin. It fits in the family between a
>>>> violin and a cello. Like a tenor sax is between an alto and a baritone sax.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola
>>>>
>>> I guess I grew up in a more educated environment. I have never seen
>>> 'voila' spelled 'wa-lah', or any other variation until this thread
>>> started. Probably some of the people I have been around probably
>>> couldn't spell it, but when they say it, who can tell?
>>
>> Neither have I - surely no-one could be so dim as to use a word they
>> plainly don't understand without first checking the correct spelling and
>> etymology? If my spell checker didn't accept a word, I would want to
>> know why.
>

> Viola and voila are both spelled correctly. It's the application that
> makes the difference and a spell checker isn't responsible for how thay
> are used but rather spelled. Maybe a grammar checker ?? dunno

To be truly pedantic, voilà is PROPERLY spelled with an accent grave
over the a. People who pronounce the v as a w probably took Latin from
Mr. Bregoli and think it's a Latin word.

[Bob Henson]

I was really carrying on the ancient English tradition of knocking
anything Scottish as a matter of principle :-)

Actually, one of the most stirring sights you can see is the massed pipe
bands at the Edinburgh Military Tattoo. Another of the most fascinating
sights during the Edinburgh Festival is seeing Jimi McRae busking on the
pipes whilst sitting sprawled across his Harley Davidson.

http://www.jimithepiper.co.uk/

I know that's not a Harley in the photographs, but that's what he was
riding the day I saw him some years back.

We also had a psychopathic tortoiseshell cat that used to put her front
paws up on the Television and stand transfixed whenever there were pipes
playing on the TV - I think she thought they were a distressed relative
trying to communicate.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with
chocolate.

[Bob Henson]

On 14/10/2012 7:17 PM, Dr J R Stockton wrote:
> In mozilla.general message <CK6dna1WZOV3SfPN...@mozilla.org
>> , Fri, 5 Oct 2012 07:39:06, Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> <a.non...@example.invalid> posted:
>>
>> Well, actually it was a bit of a joke. Sometimes, people with a bit more
>> of a clue spell voilà as viola - rather than wah lah (or more common,
>> walla).
>
> A good English dictionary will accept "walla" as a legitimate variant of
> "wallah", as used in "punkah-wallah".
>

There's a world of difference between an Indian operating the
air-conditioning and a Frenchman demonstrating emphasis though - hence
the necessity to spell them both correctly.

I'm dhobi-wallah this morning.

[Jay Garcia]

However, you took issue with my spelling of "they", typo "thay". If I
were to read you that sentence, you would have no idea that I made that
error .. is my point.

[Daniel]

I love the "pipes".........in small doses, of course!!

--
Daniel

[Daniel]

Ed Mullen wrote:
> Bob Henson wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 14/10/2012 5:28 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>
>
>

>>>> Q: What’s the definition of “perfect pitch”?

>>>>
>>>> A: Throwing a banjo into a dumpster and hitting an accordion.
>>>>
>>> However said that had never heard the bag-pipes played at close range
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, that should read "Whoever"
>>
>
> Yeah, but I read it just as it was intended.
>

....because it didn't make sense as written!!

--
Daniel

[Daniel]

Canons +1

A few years ago, when I was teaching Electronics at our Army Trades
school, they held a open air concert by the Australian Defence Force
Band. All sorts of music, Jazz, Rock and/or Roll, etc, and wrapped it up
with full orchestra rendition of 1812 Overture.....with 155mm Howitzers
parked in the paddock next door, and they weren't there for their looks!!

Fantastic!!

--
Daniel

[Paddlefoot]

The Real Bev wrote:

> To be truly pedantic, voilà is PROPERLY spelled with an accent grave
> over the a. People who pronounce the v as a w probably took Latin from
> Mr. Bregoli and think it's a Latin word.

Mr. Bregoli must have been from the northern regions of Italy, possibly
along the Austrian border. The Germanic influence is showing.

To my memory of Latin there are no accent graves anywhere; unlike other
Romance languages. But it's been decades and ICBW.

--
Carbon: Father of the elements.

[Was Greywolf]

On 14/10/2012 9:06 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
[...]

> Yes, but one needs to be clear in both written and spoken communication.
> Many words that people usually say alike are actually pronounced
> differently, at least by people who take the time to do them right.

[...]

"Mary, marry, merry" are pronounced the same in most US dialects
(regional variations). Oddly enough, people who speak those dialects
often don't hear the differences as spoken in a different dialect. This
is a general rule: we usually don't hear differences we don't speak
ourselves. Hence the odd spellings that occasionally crop up when people
transcribe from audio notes.

FWIW, I taught a course on "The history, grammar and rhetoric of
English" to aspiring school teachers many years ago. The first hurdle to
cross was that the spoken language comes first. The second, that "good
grammar" as understood by most people is merely a socially approved
dialect. The third, that many of the "good English" rules were invented
by school teachers with a minimal grasp of both the history and the
grammar of English. The take-away: There are many varieties of good
English, and a skillful English speaker/writer will know which ones to
use as occasion demands.

Re: Spelling and pronunciation: English spelling is weird because
Caxton introduced printing, and therefore the need for standardised
spelling, at a time when the dialects of English were changing very
rapidly. Our spelling is actually a pretty good phonetic spelling of
late Middle English. The speech of a ca. 1500 English speaker would
sound like a foreign language today, but that of a ca. 1600 English
speaker would merely sound like another odd-ball dialect.

--
Best,
Wolf K.

[Ron Hunter]

On 10/15/2012 6:00 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 14.10.2012 20:06, Ron Hunter wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> On 10/14/2012 6:30 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> On 14.10.2012 02:19, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>
>>>> On 10/13/2012 8:33 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>>> On 13.10.2012 10:40, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 7:24 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>>>>> On 13.10.2012 03:55, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 05/10/2012 2:26 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/5/2012 7:39 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Daniel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Riechers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felixx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah, no more problems! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wah lah? Oh boy!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voil�!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never saw that before. I've always seen it spelled wa la
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding the h'es makes it clearer. Looks like I was correct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wah%20lah :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL. Correct? Did you read the definition on that page?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It tells something about the people some people associate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with... No
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frenchmen in the group. Grin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Viola! What a revelation! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Viola....isn't that a musical instrument?? Like a baby violin!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually it was a bit of a joke. Sometimes, people with a
>>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>> of a clue spell voil� as viola - rather than wah lah (or more

As I said, writers are held to a higher standard. English just can't be
written phonetically, and be understood by readers who learned to read
by word recognition. Those who learned by phonetic methods aren't
reading, they are speaking, essentially. And I would bet that most of
them are limited to reading at the speed they can talk.

[Ron Hunter]

They are a great sound for funerals!

[Ron Hunter]

Wow! Bet that pegged the audio meters, for MILES.
Nothing like doing it right!

[Ron Hunter]

A VERY odd-ball dialect! I have heard Middle English spoken, and it
does sound rather like German, mixed with something else.
When I visited Salem, Mass., I went to the House of Seven Gables, and
the tour guide, a young (about 19) girl began to talk. I thought at
first she was speaking German, then realized she was from the area of
Pennsylvania where they have a rather Germanic accent. As soon as I
understood what was happening, my brain adjusted, and I had no trouble
understanding her after that. When we left, my wife said she couldn't
understand a word the girl said. I guess having taken German in college
helped, but it was amazing how fast I adapted to her accent.

[Jay Garcia]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voilà!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never saw that before. I've always seen it spelled wa la
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding the h'es makes it clearer. Looks like I was correct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wah%20lah :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL. Correct? Did you read the definition on that page?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It tells something about the people some people associate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with... No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frenchmen in the group. Grin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Viola! What a revelation! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Viola....isn't that a musical instrument?? Like a baby violin!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually it was a bit of a joke. Sometimes, people with a
>>>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>> of a clue spell voilà as viola - rather than wah lah (or more

I understand your point but that wasn't my point. I can make up an
entire paragraph with many typos that you wouldn't notice unless you
read it.

[PhillipJones]

Was The Lone Ranger and his White Horse and Tonto there??

Only Classical Piece I to this day enjoy listening to.

When I went to High School at some point through the year we had to
suffer Peter & the Wolf. Because of that experience, to this day I can't
stand Classical Music.

Country and Bluegrass is my favorites. I love Jazz by Beny Goodman. I
think his most favorite is Sing, Sing, Sing. It last 14 minutes. and
features sveral people that went on to start there own big Bands.

--
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it"
http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjon...@comcast.net

[PhillipJones]

There is actually a piece created by a Major University that is floating
around the Internet.
Every word spelled totally wrong but I can read it with no problems. I
in fact on one email group tht posted it. I translated it and posted
the group.

[Ron Hunter]

Yeah, but we ARE reading it. At least those who can see, are.

[Ron Hunter]

I like a lot of different types of music, including a lot of classical
music. I draw the line at Gregorian Chants, and can't abide Rap, Heavy
Metal, or Progressive Country. I even like some of the old classic
Rock, but only now and then.