someone has the audacity to blog me!!!!
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
http://peter-at-his-best.blogspot.com/.
If this person needs to discuss me [and without my
permission btw], then he definitely needs to get a life.
And to the blogger: thanks for the insult.
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Herb
> This was just pointed out to me: http://peter-at-his-best.blogspot.com/.
>
> If this person needs to discuss me [and without my permission btw], then
> he definitely needs to get a life.
>
> And to the blogger: thanks for the insult.
>
The person appears to be Nir, who in my experience (if it is indeed the
same Nir) is always very helpful and knowledgeable in these groups.
The blog dates back to 24 August - what the h... is it all about?
--
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www.HETranslation.co.uk
squaredancer
the Purple Hippo to generate the following:? :
> This was just pointed out to me:
> http://peter-at-his-best.blogspot.com/.
>
> If this person needs to discuss me [and without my
> permission btw], then he definitely needs to get a life.
>
> And to the blogger: thanks for the insult.
>
>
that he is a non-english-earth-inhabitant is clear from the blog language!
BUT - as with most things on the internet, you (Peter) have the
opportunity to REPORT THE BLOG AS OFFENSIVE.... at the top of the page
are a couple of tabs... here, the second from the left is the one you
need to look at!
reg
Nir
> On 06.11.2007 16:28 UK Time, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> This was just pointed out to me:
>> http://peter-at-his-best.blogspot.com/.
>>
>> If this person needs to discuss me [and without my permission
>> btw], then he definitely needs to get a life.
>>
>> And to the blogger: thanks for the insult.
>>
>
> The person appears to be Nir, who in my experience (if it is indeed
> the same Nir
Indeed , it's me .
> ) is always very helpful and knowledgeable in these groups.
>
> The blog dates back to 24 August - what the h... is it all about?
>
You may get some relevance , see
That blog entry was posted at the same time when I was pulling Paranoid
Hippo's leg ;-) ( which one ? umm... not sure , maybe back leg :-\ .
<Ping> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo , should
I consider your front legs as Hands ? O:-) )
Terry R.
Nir,
Stick to support. You failed at trying to be humorous.
I think it was a cheap shot to talk about someone in a newsgroup in your
blog (not that anyone had read it until today). Why didn't you just
post it here and take the heat? You would have gotten a lot more
responses (which is the only reason people blog, right?). Oh that's
right, you NEVER talk about OT material...
--
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Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
Nir
> On 11/6/2007 11:29 AM On a whim, Nir pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> Herb wrote, On 11/06/2007 11:40 PM:
>>> On 06.11.2007 16:28 UK Time, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>>> wrote:
>>>> This was just pointed out to me:
>>>> http://peter-at-his-best.blogspot.com/.
> Nir,
>
> Stick to support. You failed at trying to be humorous.
> I think it was a cheap shot to talk about someone in a newsgroup in
> your blog (not that anyone had read it until today). Why didn't you
> just post it here and take the heat?
Have you missed the link , Peter has posted ?
It seems to me that you don't know anything about 'Blog permission
setting' . BTW, in my blog , it had been set to ("Who can view this blog?")
" All" . That's all a blogger can do .
> You would have gotten a lot more responses (which is the only reason
> people blog, right?). Oh that's right, you NEVER talk about OT
> material...
Should I complete your incomplete sentence ?
»Q«
> Why didn't you just post it here and take the heat? You would have
> gotten a lot more responses (which is the only reason people blog,
> right?). Oh that's right, you NEVER talk about OT material...
The entire Peter-says-Nir-lives-in-a-Black-Hole thread /was/ posted
here, including Nir's part of it.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
but what Nir said in that blog of his are new and never was
said here; especially his insulting parts.
Terry R.
If it makes you feel more important, please do. Or maybe you don't know
what ... stands for.
caver1
Wow. i haven't done acid since 1972.
caver1
Christopher Jahn
news:cvydnf0PH_13CK3a...@mozilla.org:
> This was just pointed out to me:
> http://peter-at-his-best.blogspot.com/.
>
> If this person needs to discuss me [and without my
> permission btw], then he definitely needs to get a life.
>
> And to the blogger: thanks for the insult.
>
I think it's funny, although not as intense as
http://fakestevejobs.blogspot.com
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Love as it exists in society is merely the mingling of two
fantasies and the contact of two skins.
Christopher Jahn
news:iIadnSkzusToXq3a...@mozilla.org:
> I think it was a cheap shot to talk about someone in a
> newsgroup in your blog
Waaaaaa. terry doesn't LIKE it. waaaaaa boo hoo hoo.
You makes your posts, you takes your chances.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://manormaniac.blogspot.com/
Spacetime isn't curved, it's positively bent.
Christopher Jahn
>»Q« wrote:
>> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why didn't you just post it here and take the heat? You
>>> would have gotten a lot more responses (which is the only
>>> reason people blog, right?). Oh that's right, you NEVER talk
>>> about OT material...
>>
>> The entire Peter-says-Nir-lives-in-a-Black-Hole thread /was/
>> posted here, including Nir's part of it.
>
> but what Nir said in that blog of his are new and never was
> said here; especially his insulting parts.
>
WHAT "insulting parts?" If you found any of it "insulting," I
suggest you ask your therapist to adjust your meds.
The closest he comes to insulting you is this:
"He is wasting countless hours to detect flaws in mozilla
etiquette nd cancellation policy"
I call it "an accurate assessment."
Grow up.
--
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{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
We all live in a yellow subroutine.
Terry R.
> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:iIadnSkzusToXq3a...@mozilla.org:
>
>> I think it was a cheap shot to talk about someone in a
>> newsgroup in your blog
>
> Waaaaaa. terry doesn't LIKE it. waaaaaa boo hoo hoo.
>
> You makes your posts, you takes your chances.
>
Like you, I can state my opinion. If you don't like it, oh well. But
don't cry about it.
»Q«
> WHAT "insulting parts?" If you found any of it "insulting," I
> suggest you ask your therapist to adjust your meds.
>
> The closest he comes to insulting you is this:
> "He is wasting countless hours to detect flaws in mozilla
> etiquette nd cancellation policy"
>
> I call it "an accurate assessment."
>
> Grow up.
Maybe the bit about passing math in school; I couldn't find anything
else I might consider insulting. And that's a pretty light jab, at
most.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> I think it was a cheap shot to talk about someone in a newsgroup in your
> blog (not that anyone had read it until today). Why didn't you just
> post it here
Thank you! I would have to agree. This is what he should
have done. He should have posted the remarks to me on the
group, but instead makes potshots of me elsewhere. But I
guess this is what this guy does.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a
"black diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory
remarks. Thats about as bad as me calling him mulatto,
Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or even a Buffie.
Then he tried to insinuate that I've got a monkey's tail.
Why doesn't he just come out and say it? Its affully close
to saying I'm a "Cheese-eating surrender monkey." Another
insulting remark.
He called me stupid by his phrase of "how Peter managed to
get passmark"
he calls my postings and contributions are zero, that people
can't understand my contributions, and all I do is give
wrong information. He also calls me, not right out, but
hinted at, that I'm a schizoid with schizophrenia tendencies.
Nir
> »Q« wrote:
>> Maybe the bit about passing math in school; I couldn't find
>> anything else I might consider insulting. And that's a pretty
>> light jab, at most.
>
> He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a "black
> diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory remarks. Thats
> about as bad as me calling him mulatto, Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or
> even a Buffie.
>
'black diamond of a jewel' - really ! where from you found that string ?
Are you using microscope or Telescope to read that blog ? ;)
Actual sentence is "Some words about Peter . Although many people always
takes his post in different way but I always believe that he is a jewel
( Black Diamond ? )"
jewel = Gemstone, precious material .
Black Diamond = Carbonado , actually jewel , having same crystal
structure of Diamond but not a precious material as jewel (diamond).
Those words are used instead of 'important' and 'unimportant' .
Are you not intensionally misinterpreting it ? :-P
> Then he tried to insinuate that I've got a monkey's tail. Why
> doesn't he just come out and say it?
I suggest you rather clean lens of telescope ( with care ) :-P
"Probably i forgot to mention that he is a good Seamonkey(link) user . BTW ,
as I'm satisfied with Gecko so I never tried to pull monkey's tail ."
"Probably i forgot to mention that he is a good seamonkey user . BTW ,
as I'm satisfied with Firefox+Thundrbird so I never tried to use seamonkey "
> Its affully close to saying I'm a "Cheese-eating surrender monkey."
> Another insulting remark.
Go back to store and ask for money back . It ( or its owner ) is
malfunctioning ;)
I really wonder how you will interpret if i say 'good morning' to you .
> He called me stupid by his phrase of "how Peter managed to get
> passmark"
Indeed .
> he calls my postings and contributions are zero, that people can't
> understand my contributions,
Should i copy original sentences for you ? :)
> and all I do is give wrong information.
Where i have written so !
> He also calls me, not right out, but hinted at, that I'm a schizoid
> with schizophrenia tendencies.
>
hinted ! huh .
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote, On 11/07/2007 02:19 PM:
>> »Q« wrote:
>
>>> Maybe the bit about passing math in school; I couldn't find anything
>>> else I might consider insulting. And that's a pretty
>>> light jab, at most.
>>
>> He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a "black
>> diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory remarks. Thats
>> about as bad as me calling him mulatto, Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or
>> even a Buffie.
>>
>
> 'black diamond of a jewel' - really ! where from you found that string ?
> Are you using microscope or Telescope to read that blog ? ;)
You were not reading very close. Its in there I read it.
> Actual sentence is "Some words about Peter . Although many people always
> takes his post in different way but I always believe that he is a jewel
> ( Black Diamond ? )"
>
> jewel = Gemstone, precious material .
> Black Diamond = Carbonado , actually jewel , having same crystal
> structure of Diamond but not a precious material as jewel (diamond).
Not every one would think to look up in dictionary.
But a diamond before it gets to the diamond stage is Coal which is
Black. so he could have gotten the impression could have been calling
him Black. And even he was actually bring up his color and he indeed is
Black in context used would imply some bigotry.
>
> Those words are used instead of 'important' and 'unimportant' .
>
> Are you not intensionally misinterpreting it ? :-P
>
>
>> Then he tried to insinuate that I've got a monkey's tail. Why
>> doesn't he just come out and say it?
>
> I suggest you rather clean lens of telescope ( with care ) :-P
>
> "Probably i forgot to mention that he is a good Seamonkey(link) user .
> BTW ,
> as I'm satisfied with Gecko so I never tried to pull monkey's tail ."
>
> "Probably i forgot to mention that he is a good seamonkey user . BTW ,
> as I'm satisfied with Firefox+Thundrbird so I never tried to use
> seamonkey "
>
>
>> Its affully close to saying I'm a "Cheese-eating surrender monkey."
>> Another insulting remark.
>
> Go back to store and ask for money back . It ( or its owner ) is
> malfunctioning ;)
>
> I really wonder how you will interpret if i say 'good morning' to you .
>
>> He called me stupid by his phrase of "how Peter managed to get passmark"
>
> Indeed .
yes you admit it.
whether some one passes test in school has no bearing on the use of an
application.
Einstein and folks of his type couldn't pass regular school test. And
was made fun of. But implying he would be dumb because he couldn't pass
test.
>
>> he calls my postings and contributions are zero, that people can't
>> understand my contributions,
I can understand, his postings and for me they sometime come off as
insulting and condescending. But I can understanding.
I have that ability as well, which was passed down through the genes of
my father. Sometimes I can speak or write something, and to me it seems
harmless or actually a comment. Yet the person on the receiving end
thinks its insulting.
There was many a time when dad was living and younger he would say
something to his friends and they would ask my mother whether he was
joking or being insulting. She would have to explain what he was trying
to say.
>
> Should i copy original sentences for you ? :)
>
>> and all I do is give wrong information.
I do that as well, For instance I will answer a question about
SM/FF/TB based on my experience as a Mac user. And more than not I am
beat down because I tried to answer. Even though the list are not
exclusive to PC users only.
So answer may be right in his case. or things have changed since the
time it happened to him.
>
> Where i have written so !
>
>> He also calls me, not right out, but hinted at, that I'm a schizoid
>> with schizophrenia tendencies.
>>
>
> hinted ! huh .
Could have.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
I am no apologist Peter. He comes across pretty rough for me at times.
But folks on these groups can some times as an old Lester & Flatt song
says "Get above their Rasin'" In bluegrass music Parlance That mean the
become pretentious, or full of themselves. OR think they are better than
others.
But when it comes down to it we all put our pants on the same way "one
leg at a time".
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»Q«
> He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a
> "black diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory
> remarks. Thats about as bad as me calling him mulatto,
> Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or even a Buffie.
Really? Can you provide some citation to show that "jewel" is a
a slur? I've never come across it.
> He called me stupid by his phrase of "how Peter managed to
> get passmark"
Nah, plenty of people who aren't stupid aren't good at mathematics.
Meh, I think you're just very easily outraged.
Tom Liotta
> Einstein and folks of his type couldn't pass regular school test. And
> was made fun of. But implying he would be dumb because he couldn't pass
> test.
You _might_ want to verify the "Einstein" part of that before using
it again.
--
Tom Liotta
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
Einstein flunked high school math
»Q«
> Tom Liotta wrote:
> > Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
> >
> >> Einstein and folks of his type couldn't pass regular school test.
> >> And was made fun of. But implying he would be dumb because he
> >> couldn't pass test.
> >
> > You _might_ want to verify the "Einstein" part of that before using
> > it again.
> >
>
> Einstein flunked high school math
Heh, you _might_ want to verify that before using it again.
Nir
> Nir wrote:
>
> You were not reading very close. Its in there I read it.
>
How close ? My face will collide with monitor screen if i go little more
closer ;-)
>> Actual sentence is "Some words about Peter . Although many people
>> always takes his post in different way but I always believe that he
>> is a jewel ( Black Diamond ? )"
>>
>> jewel = Gemstone, precious material . Black Diamond = Carbonado ,
>> actually jewel , having same crystal structure of Diamond but not a
>> precious material as jewel (diamond).
>
> Not every one would think to look up in dictionary.
Opps ! I thought i was writing a blog not a thesis paper otherwise i
should have tried to include some detailed info ;-)
So if someone who doesn't know meaning of black diamond and even hadn't
tried to look what its generally stand for , that is my fault , right ?
> But a diamond before it gets to the diamond stage is Coal which is
> Black. so he could have gotten the impression could have been calling
> him Black. And even he was actually bring up his color and he indeed
> is Black in context used would imply some bigotry.
>
And before Coal it was a green plant . So you think i call him "Green"
also ?
If you will to misinterpret anything , you will read it as what you
want to read .
Hey ! that excuse i used to give to my parents whenever I need to show
my result card , with some unpleasant digits in it :-D
you can interpret as another attempt to insult you but i think
that you should move 'I am always ignored here' eyeglass from your eyes .
Terry R.
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a
>> "black diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory
>> remarks. Thats about as bad as me calling him mulatto,
>> Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or even a Buffie.
>
> Really? Can you provide some citation to show that "jewel" is a
> a slur? I've never come across it.
>
Come on. I suppose you haven't heard terms with "black" in them. And
they're always about the "odd one", the "loser", the "bad one". How
about, "He's the 'black sheep' of the family". I took it the same way
Peter did.
>> He called me stupid by his phrase of "how Peter managed to
>> get passmark"
>
> Nah, plenty of people who aren't stupid aren't good at mathematics.
>
Doesn't matter. Nir took a jab. It would be like me stating that Nir
obviously didn't pass English, if I was going by what he posts in these
groups (yes, I'm aware of the 2nd language issue).
> Meh, I think you're just very easily outraged.
Always easily said when it isn't about you, isn't it.
»Q«
> On 11/7/2007 12:53 PM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>
> > Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> > <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a
> >> "black diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory
> >> remarks. Thats about as bad as me calling him mulatto,
> >> Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or even a Buffie.
> >
> > Really? Can you provide some citation to show that "jewel" is a
> > a slur? I've never come across it.
>
> Come on. I suppose you haven't heard terms with "black" in them.
Sure I have.
> And they're always about the "odd one", the "loser", the "bad one".
Nope.
But I was asking about "jewel", which Peter says is derogatory. If it
actually is, maybe you or he will provide some evidence.
> >> He called me stupid by his phrase of "how Peter managed to
> >> get passmark"
> >
> > Nah, plenty of people who aren't stupid aren't good at mathematics.
>
> Doesn't matter. Nir took a jab.
But it's not an insult to say someone isn't good at mathematics.
Surely you've seen Peter's struggles with logic here.
> > Meh, I think you're just very easily outraged.
>
> Always easily said when it isn't about you, isn't it.
No, it's not difficult to see a legit case for outrage when it's not
about me. I don't see one here though.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>> Always easily said when it isn't about you, isn't it.
>
> No, it's not difficult to see a legit case for outrage when it's not
> about me. I don't see one here though.
maybe to you it wasn't, but to someone else, especially to
the person it was directed at, it was.
Christopher Jahn
news:YJOdnata5bNB5qza...@mozilla.org:
> He called me stupid by his phrase of "how Peter managed to
> get passmark"
Honestly, we've all wondered the same thing.
You shouldn't post on newsgroups if your skin is really this
thin.
You'll get no sympathy from me.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
Vote Cthulhu! Why choose the lesser evil?
Christopher Jahn
news:V_Sdnf71io9Rha_a...@mozilla.org:
>> He also calls me, not right out, but hinted at, that I'm a
>> schizoid with schizophrenia tendencies.
>>
>
> hinted ! huh .
You shoulda just writ it out. "Peter Potamus is a paranoid
schizo with psychotic delusions."
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://manormaniac.blogspot.com/
Think of hummingbirds as the flying penises of flowers.
Christopher Jahn
news:FrSdnY4ccrF_qq_a...@mozilla.org:
> Tom Liotta wrote:
>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>
>>> Einstein and folks of his type couldn't pass regular school
>>> test. And was made fun of. But implying he would be dumb
>>> because he couldn't pass test.
>>
>> You _might_ want to verify the "Einstein" part of that before
>> using it again.
>>
>
> Einstein flunked high school math
>
No, he did not.
http://www.time.com/time/2007/einstein/3.html
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
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A man who fishes for marlin in ponds will put his money in
Etruscan bonds.
Christopher Jahn
@bellgrove.remarqs.net:
>> He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a
>> "black diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory
>> remarks. Thats about as bad as me calling him mulatto,
>> Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or even a Buffie.
>
> Really? Can you provide some citation to show that "jewel" is a
> a slur? I've never come across it.
Well, "schmuck" is yiddish for "jewel," and "schmuck" is used a
slur; to the detriment of entire families whose surname this is.
But Peter's just being a poop-head. He thinks he can act like an
ass and not pay any price for it.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://manormaniac.blogspot.com/
The two most common things in the universe are hydrogen and
stupidity.
Christopher Jahn
news:JNSdnfydZrBG1q_a...@mozilla.org:
> ŻQŽ wrote:
>> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Meh, I think you're just very easily outraged.
>>> Always easily said when it isn't about you, isn't it.
>>
>> No, it's not difficult to see a legit case for outrage when
>> it's not about me. I don't see one here though.
>
> maybe to you it wasn't, but to someone else, especially to
> the person it was directed at, it was.
Grow up, already. You didn't get any more than you deserved, and
it took you months to discover it.
Frankly, only a toweringly egotistical jerk could possible find
those blog entries "insulting." But then, it IS you, isn't it?
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://manormaniac.blogspot.com/
No matter where you go... there you are.
»Q«
<peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> »Q« wrote:
> > "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Meh, I think you're just very easily outraged.
> >> Always easily said when it isn't about you, isn't it.
> >
> > No, it's not difficult to see a legit case for outrage when it's not
> > about me. I don't see one here though.
>
> maybe to you it wasn't, but to someone else, especially to
> the person it was directed at, it was.
That doesn't make sense. It /was/ difficult for the person to see a
legit case for outrage?
If you meant the opposite, that's why I wrote about you being very
easily outraged.
Terry R.
> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/7/2007 12:53 PM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>>> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a
>>>> "black diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory
>>>> remarks. Thats about as bad as me calling him mulatto,
>>>> Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or even a Buffie.
>>> Really? Can you provide some citation to show that "jewel" is a
>>> a slur? I've never come across it.
>> Come on. I suppose you haven't heard terms with "black" in them.
>
> Sure I have.
>
>> And they're always about the "odd one", the "loser", the "bad one".
>
> Nope.
Okay. Well snip out my example to pretend ignorance. And "yes", they are.
>
> But I was asking about "jewel", which Peter says is derogatory. If it
> actually is, maybe you or he will provide some evidence.
>
We weren't talking about "jewel". If Nir would have left it as "jewel",
I doubt it would have been considered derogatory.
>>>> He called me stupid by his phrase of "how Peter managed to
>>>> get passmark"
>>> Nah, plenty of people who aren't stupid aren't good at mathematics.
>> Doesn't matter. Nir took a jab.
>
> But it's not an insult to say someone isn't good at mathematics.
> Surely you've seen Peter's struggles with logic here.
And let's sidetrack the discussion. I know wizards at math that have no
logic sense at all, and the reverse is also true.
It's easy to see the derogatory remarks Nir made about Grant in the
blog. If someone needs it pointed out, it's just because they have
issues with Grant in general. THEY are the ones who need to get over it.
Terry R.
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:JNSdnfydZrBG1q_a...@mozilla.org:
>
>> ŻQŽ wrote:
>>> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Meh, I think you're just very easily outraged.
>>>> Always easily said when it isn't about you, isn't it.
>>> No, it's not difficult to see a legit case for outrage when
>>> it's not about me. I don't see one here though.
>> maybe to you it wasn't, but to someone else, especially to
>> the person it was directed at, it was.
>
> Grow up, already. You didn't get any more than you deserved, and
> it took you months to discover it.
>
> Frankly, only a toweringly egotistical jerk could possible find
> those blog entries "insulting." But then, it IS you, isn't it?
>
Chris,
I think you have more of a personal issue with Grant, and that is
causing you to not take issue with this.
So, "wasting coutless hours to detect flaws...", "His contribution reset
to zero", "...habit to rebuild himself...", "I really wonder how Peter
managed to get passmark...". I don't see how only an egotist would
consider it insulting. Wouldn't it piss you off a bit?
I'm sure Nir wouldn't say that to Grant's face. I figure if a person
couldn't say it to someones face, don't say it. But the internet now
has all these little people hiding behind computers, thinking they can
do or say anything they want.
If Nir is supposed to be a representative of this server, writing crap
like that should cost him his job. But I guess it's okay to jab
contributors, as long as you're untouchable in another country.
Not to mention his favorite music is Celine Dion! ;-)
Blinky the Shark
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:FrSdnY4ccrF_qq_a...@mozilla.org:
>
>> Tom Liotta wrote:
>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>
>>>> Einstein and folks of his type couldn't pass regular school
>>>> test. And was made fun of. But implying he would be dumb
>>>> because he couldn't pass test.
>>> You _might_ want to verify the "Einstein" part of that before
>>> using it again.
>>>
>> Einstein flunked high school math
>>
>
> No, he did not.
> http://www.time.com/time/2007/einstein/3.html
Forget it. He's rolling. ;)
(USan film reference.)
--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org
Blinky the Shark
> On 11/7/2007 3:29 PM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/7/2007 12:53 PM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>>>> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a
>>>>> "black diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory
>>>>> remarks. Thats about as bad as me calling him mulatto,
>>>>> Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or even a Buffie.
>>>> Really? Can you provide some citation to show that "jewel" is a
>>>> a slur? I've never come across it.
>>> Come on. I suppose you haven't heard terms with "black" in them.
>> Sure I have.
>>
>>> And they're always about the "odd one", the "loser", the "bad one".
>> Nope.
>
> Okay. Well snip out my example to pretend ignorance. And "yes", they are.
Like "in the black", which means "making a profit", as versus "in the
red", which means losing money? I'd say profit is positive.
Like "black gold", meaning oil? Last I heard, oil was valuable.
Like "black operations", meaning secret ones, because the outside is
kept *in the dark" and/or the operations are carried out in the
metaphorical dark. Not because all of the operatives are racially
black, for heaven's sake.
Sure, there are examples that are negative. But your claim is that they
all are. That's just stu ... well, let's just say that at best it shows
a serious lack of vocabulary. Or a lot of bias of your own.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Not taking sides one way or the other but I wonder if "they" have taken
into consideration one culture's idiomatic expressions and paraphrases
as opposed to those of the other culture's? Culture shock maybe?
--
Jay Garcia - Staff Member
Netscape Communications Division of AOL
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org
Irwin Greenwald
> But Peter's just being a poop-head. He thinks he can act like an ass
> and not pay any price for it.
Gotta disagree with you on this one Chris. Problem is that Peter
doesn't realize it when he's acting like an ass, which - unfortunately -
occurs way to often in these newsgroups! Example: the very long thread
in which Peter insisted that no developers read these newsgroups!
--
Irwin
Please do not use my email address to make requests for help.
Knowledge Base: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Main_Page
David McRitchie
> slur; to the detriment of entire families whose surname this is.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shmuck+schmuck
However Nir was speaking in English and for that you should be using
an English dictionary. http://www.answers.com/topic/carbonado-1?cat=technology
as to the connection to coal
Railroad Language -- Lingo -- Dictionary
http://catskillarchive.com/rrextra/glossry1.Html
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> »Q« <box...@gmx.net> wrote in news:20071107145322.326b6b74
> @bellgrove.remarqs.net:
>
>>> He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a
>>> "black diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory
>>> remarks. Thats about as bad as me calling him mulatto,
>>> Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or even a Buffie.
>> Really? Can you provide some citation to show that "jewel" is a
>> a slur? I've never come across it.
>
> Well, "schmuck" is yiddish for "jewel," and "schmuck" is used a
> slur; to the detriment of entire families whose surname this is.
>
> But Peter's just being a poop-head. He thinks he can act like an
> ass and not pay any price for it.
you're just about as bad as Nir is, calling people all sort
of idiotical names. Only you do it within the newsgroups
and not elsewhere. You've done it to me, and you've done it
to several other posters. Maybe you're just the poop-head
or ass.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Christopher Jahn wrote:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:FrSdnY4ccrF_qq_a...@mozilla.org:
>>
>>> Tom Liotta wrote:
>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Einstein and folks of his type couldn't pass regular school
>>>>> test. And was made fun of. But implying he would be dumb
>>>>> because he couldn't pass test.
>>>> You _might_ want to verify the "Einstein" part of that before
>>>> using it again.
>>>>
>>> Einstein flunked high school math
>>>
>> No, he did not.
>> http://www.time.com/time/2007/einstein/3.html
>
> Forget it. He's rolling. ;)
>
> (USan film reference.)
>
atleast I have the guts to say that I stand corrected.
but he did fail his entrance exam to the SFIT: "Rather than
completing high school, Albert decided to apply directly to
the ETH Zurich, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in
Zurich, Switzerland. Without a school certificate, he was
required to take an entrance examination, which he did not
pass . . . .":
http://www.blinkbits.com/en_wikifeeds/albert_Einstein
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Not to mention his favorite music is Celine Dion! ;-)
Oh, right, yes, then that explains everything! ;-)
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> On 11/7/2007 Christopher Jahn wrote:
>> But Peter's just being a poop-head. He thinks he can act like an ass
>> and not pay any price for it.
>
> Gotta disagree with you on this one Chris. Problem is that Peter
> doesn't realize it when he's acting like an ass, which - unfortunately -
> occurs way to often in these newsgroups! Example: the very long thread
> in which Peter insisted that no developers read these newsgroups!
>
As far as I was concern, developers didn't read the
newsgroups. However, someone provided me with proof that
they do, and I stood corrected. All it took was one person
to provide that little proof, and that entire thread could
have been avoided. But no, instead, the everyone kept
saying they do, but wouldn't provide that proof. I was
being forced to believe their word in it. And in that
thread, posters ended up calling me all sorts of name,
because they wouldn't provide the proof. As a matter of
fact, its the same people calling me names here as they do
to many other posters.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> »Q« <box...@gmx.net> wrote in news:20071107145322.326b6b74
> @bellgrove.remarqs.net:
>
>>> He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a
>>> "black diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory
>>> remarks. Thats about as bad as me calling him mulatto,
>>> Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or even a Buffie.
>> Really? Can you provide some citation to show that "jewel" is a
>> a slur? I've never come across it.
>
> Well, "schmuck" is yiddish for "jewel," and "schmuck" is used a
> slur; to the detriment of entire families whose surname this is.
>
> But Peter's just being a poop-head. He thinks he can act like an
> ass and not pay any price for it.
and I guess you're the most perfect poster around here.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> We weren't talking about "jewel". If Nir would have left it as "jewel",
> I doubt it would have been considered derogatory.
if it was left as "jewel" then it could have been considered
as an insult, such as when he said: "but I always believe
that he is a jewel." Taken into context of what else was
said, that could mean that he considers I'm a simpleton.
Cause he sure didn't mean that I'm "person who is brilliant
and precious as a piece of jewellery."
Nir
> So, "wasting coutless hours to detect flaws...", "His contribution
> reset to zero", "...habit to rebuild himself...", "I really wonder
> how Peter managed to get passmark...". I don't see how only an
> egotist would consider it insulting. Wouldn't it piss you off a bit?
Let me complete those incomplete sentences this time :)
"...habit to rebuild himself..." : "And as Peter has a habit to rebuild
himself ( actually his name )" . He admitted here [1] that he used to
change his names.
So what makes it feel insulting to YOU ?
"wasting coutless<countless> hours to detect flaws..." : "He is wasting
countless
hours to detect flaws in mozilla etiquette nd
cancellation policy" : He always opposes cancellation policy . We who
frequents these groups know this fact.
"I really wonder how Peter managed to get passmark..." : Indeed its an
insulting comment and the reason was this post [2] . If you don't like
to receive insulting comment then either don't insult others or get a
thick skin .
"His contribution reset to zero" : "And as Peter has a habit to rebuild
himself ( actually his name ) time to time and many *people fails to
relate two identity* , thats makes situation worse . His contribution
reset to zero :( ." : Peter starts from scratch when
he uses a new name .
> I'm sure Nir wouldn't say that to Grant's face. I figure if a person
>
Huh! If you were little more careful , you would find that I posted
those three blog entries almost as soon as Peter pointed out my blog
profile [3] . As he was so much interested in my blogs , i was
expecting that he will find it himself as all blogs of same author
listed under his profile . But seems like he lost all interest in my
blogs just after posting those links .
> couldn't say it to someones face, don't say it. But the internet now
> has all these little people hiding behind computers, thinking they
> can do or say anything they want.
>
> If Nir is supposed to be a representative of this server, writing
> crap like that should cost him his job. But I guess it's okay to jab
> contributors, as long as you're untouchable in another country.
>
> Not to mention his favorite music is Celine Dion! ;-)
My favorite music is "favorite music is Celine Dion" ! I thought it was
written as
"A New Day Has Come - Celine Dion" .
And Terry , no comment about my 'Favorite Movies' ! Oh ! You
are so cruel :-P .
-- [1] "http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/msg/8a108dcc1e97ac2d"
[2] "http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/msg/6f173db956f33725"
[3] "http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/msg/7705dd3dceee4eb7"
Rick
> This was just pointed out to me: http://peter-at-his-best.blogspot.com/.
>
> If this person needs to discuss me [and without my permission btw], then
> he definitely needs to get a life.
>
> And to the blogger: thanks for the insult.
>
I would say that you have very thin skin
Herb
> Herb wrote, On 11/06/2007 11:40 PM:
>> On 06.11.2007 16:28 UK Time, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> This was just pointed out to me: http://peter-at-his-best.blogspot.com/.
>>>
>>> If this person needs to discuss me [and without my permission
>>> btw], then he definitely needs to get a life.
>>>
>>> And to the blogger: thanks for the insult.
>>>
>>
>> the same Nir
>
> Indeed , it's me .
>
>> ) is always very helpful and knowledgeable in these groups.
>>
>> The blog dates back to 24 August - what the h... is it all about?
>>
>
> You may get some relevance , see
>
> "http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/browse_frm/thread/2e1df2e521f039fc/4bc4eadcbe5a6921?lnk=gst&q=send+link+starts+IE+55+times#4bc4eadcbe5a6921"
Thanks for the link.
However, I only started following and contributing to mozilla.general in
mid/late October and I therefore missed the whole previous history and
atmosphere that I assume must have developed over time, culminating in
this unfortunate situation.
I find the situation very unfortunate and regrettable indeed, not least
because, unlike in the recent 'AdF case' I can't and don't want to take
sides because both your contributions and Peter Potamus's contributions
at mozilla.support.thunderbird and mozilla.support.firefox have help me
a great deal over recent months, and I always found the exchanges very
professional and reasonable (apart from Peter Potamus's occasional
outburst against Chris).
Perhaps I missed some less desirable exchanges, or perhaps they were
limited to mozilla.general, but in any case I sincerely hope the
situation can be resolved somehow.
--
Herbert Eppel
www.HETranslation.co.uk
Christopher Jahn
news:F6udnTtOioMm_q_a...@mozilla.org:
> I think you have more of a personal issue with Grant, and that
> is causing you to not take issue with this.
It's true I don't think much of him, but in this case he's
blowing this issue all out of proportion.
Look at it this way; no one here knew anything about this until
he dragged it in here and started beating his chest. THAT should
tell you something about "peter potamus."
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged.
Christopher Jahn
He failed the entrance exam because it was in FRENCH. Einstein
didn't know the language the first time he took the exam, at age
16.
http://www.myhero.com/myhero/hero.asp?hero=einstein
http://web2.uwindsor.ca/courses/physics/high_schools/2005/Photoelectric_effect/about.html
On the advice of the headmaster, he took a year to prepare for
the test, and passed it the second time, when he was 17 years
old.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --
Benjamin Franklin
Christopher Jahn
>> Well, "schmuck" is yiddish for "jewel," and "schmuck" is used
>> a slur; to the detriment of entire families whose surname
>> this is.
>>
>> But Peter's just being a poop-head. He thinks he can act
>> like an ass and not pay any price for it.
>
> you're just about as bad as Nir is, calling people all sort
> of idiotical names. Only you do it within the newsgroups
> and not elsewhere. You've done it to me, and you've done it
> to several other posters. Maybe you're just the poop-head
> or ass.
I have an intolerance for your kind of behavior, and I'm quick to
smack you verbally. If that makes me a poop head or an ass, so
be it.
At least I knew that Einstein didn't fail math.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
Plagiarism saves time.
Christopher Jahn
> It's easy to see the derogatory remarks Nir made about Grant
> in the blog. If someone needs it pointed out, it's just
> because they have issues with Grant in general. THEY are the
> ones who need to get over it.
Actually, it's not so easy, even if you've never heard of Grant.
There's nothing so insulting as to evoke the reaction it's
getting.
If you can demonstrate that the comments are insulting, do so.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
A transistor protected by a fast-acting fuse will protect the
fuse by blowing first.
Christopher Jahn
news:5Oednc8XYuoUKK_a...@mozilla.org:
> Terry R. wrote:
>> We weren't talking about "jewel". If Nir would have left it
>> as "jewel", I doubt it would have been considered derogatory.
>
> if it was left as "jewel" then it could have been considered
> as an insult, such as when he said: "but I always believe
> that he is a jewel." Taken into context of what else was
> said, that could mean that he considers I'm a simpleton.
Not at all, "Peter." We all know that you're "special."
Especially after the incident about developers who read this
group.
> Cause he sure didn't mean that I'm "person who is brilliant
> and precious as a piece of jewellery."
So, you're psychic now?
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
To be happy living in this world, there are sides of the soul
one must entirely paralyze.
Terry R.
> Terry R. wrote, On 11/08/2007 06:48 AM:
>
>> So, "wasting coutless hours to detect flaws...", "His contribution
>> reset to zero", "...habit to rebuild himself...", "I really wonder
>> how Peter managed to get passmark...". I don't see how only an
>> egotist would consider it insulting. Wouldn't it piss you off a bit?
>
> Let me complete those incomplete sentences this time :)
Don't stand tall here and flex your English. I could correct just about
every sentence you wrote below. Make your points and move on.
>
> "...habit to rebuild himself..." : "And as Peter has a habit to rebuild
> himself ( actually his name )" . He admitted here [1] that he used to
> change his names.
> So what makes it feel insulting to YOU ?
>
Used to, as in past tense. He explained clearly why he did and hasn't
done it since. That is NOT a habit.
> "wasting coutless<countless> hours to detect flaws..." : "He is wasting
> countless
> hours to detect flaws in mozilla etiquette nd
> cancellation policy" : He always opposes cancellation policy . We who
> frequents these groups know this fact.
You "who frequents" isn't everyone. Most who opposed it in the
beginning oppose it still.
>
> "I really wonder how Peter managed to get passmark..." : Indeed its an
> insulting comment and the reason was this post [2] . If you don't like
> to receive insulting comment then either don't insult others or get a
> thick skin .
>
Doesn't matter why. It's still insulting and you admit it. We could
make derogatory comments about you, but we don't.
> "His contribution reset to zero" : "And as Peter has a habit to rebuild
> himself ( actually his name ) time to time and many *people fails to
> relate two identity* , thats makes situation worse . His contribution
> reset to zero :( ." : Peter starts from scratch when
> he uses a new name .
>
You're the only one who reads it that way. To me, someone who's
"contribution (is) reset to zero", is worthless.
>> I'm sure Nir wouldn't say that to Grant's face. I figure if a person
>>
> Huh! If you were little more careful , you would find that I posted
> those three blog entries almost as soon as Peter pointed out my blog
> profile [3] . As he was so much interested in my blogs , i was
> expecting that he will find it himself as all blogs of same author
> listed under his profile . But seems like he lost all interest in my
> blogs just after posting those links .
>
You need to comprehend better. "I posted", is NOT saying it to a persons
face. You are hiding behind the security of the internet, feeling free
to type whatever you want. If I post something to someone, I make sure
I would say the same thing if they were standing in front of me. You
should do the same.
>
>> couldn't say it to someones face, don't say it. But the internet now
>> has all these little people hiding behind computers, thinking they
>> can do or say anything they want.
>>
>> If Nir is supposed to be a representative of this server, writing
>> crap like that should cost him his job. But I guess it's okay to jab
>> contributors, as long as you're untouchable in another country.
>>
>> Not to mention his favorite music is Celine Dion! ;-)
>
> My favorite music is "favorite music is Celine Dion" ! I thought it was
> written as
> "A New Day Has Come - Celine Dion" .
>
What are you trying to correct, your posting? I stated what is on your
blog, less the song name.
> And Terry , no comment about my 'Favorite Movies' ! Oh ! You
> are so cruel :-P .
>
> -- [1] "http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/msg/8a108dcc1e97ac2d"
> [2] "http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/msg/6f173db956f33725"
> [3] "http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/msg/7705dd3dceee4eb7"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Nir
> On 11/8/2007 3:49 AM On a whim, Nir pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> Terry R. wrote, On 11/08/2007 06:48 AM:
>>
>>> So, "wasting coutless hours to detect flaws...", "His
>>> contribution reset to zero", "...habit to rebuild himself...", "I
>>> really wonder how Peter managed to get passmark...". I don't see
>>> how only an egotist would consider it insulting. Wouldn't it piss
>>> you off a bit?
>>
>> Let me complete those incomplete sentences this time :)
>
> Don't stand tall here and flex your English. I could correct just
> about every sentence you wrote below. Make your points and move on.
If you don't like it, oh well. But don't cry about it
>>
>> "...habit to rebuild himself..." : "And as Peter has a habit to
>> rebuild himself ( actually his name )" . He admitted here [1] that
>> he used to change his names. So what makes it feel insulting to
>> YOU ?
>>
>
> Used to, as in past tense. He explained clearly why he did and hasn't
> done it since. That is NOT a habit.
He only agreed that he had changed his name in three different times .
But he DIDN'T explained why he did and why hasn't done same since then .
>> "wasting coutless<countless> hours to detect flaws..." : "He is
>> wasting countless hours to detect flaws in mozilla etiquette nd
>> cancellation policy" : He always opposes cancellation policy . We
>> who frequents these groups know this fact.
>
> You "who frequents" isn't everyone. Most who opposed it in the
> beginning oppose it still.
If you regularly read posts you should be aware of group's atmosphere .
It doesn't matter on which side you are standing .
>>
>> "I really wonder how Peter managed to get passmark..." : Indeed its
>> an insulting comment and the reason was this post [2] . If you
>> don't like to receive insulting comment then either don't insult
>> others or get a thick skin .
>>
>
> Doesn't matter why. It's still insulting and you admit it. We could
> make derogatory comments about you, but we don't.
Doesn't matter why !! Again it reminds me your words :
Always easily said when it isn't about you, isn't it.
>> "His contribution reset to zero" : "And as Peter has a habit to
--
[1] "http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/msg/376d059fa2ffda4a"
Terry R.
> Terry R. wrote, On 11/08/2007 10:04 PM:
>> On 11/8/2007 3:49 AM On a whim, Nir pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> Terry R. wrote, On 11/08/2007 06:48 AM:
>>>
>>>> So, "wasting coutless hours to detect flaws...", "His
>>>> contribution reset to zero", "...habit to rebuild himself...", "I
>>>> really wonder how Peter managed to get passmark...". I don't see
>>>> how only an egotist would consider it insulting. Wouldn't it piss
>>>> you off a bit?
>>> Let me complete those incomplete sentences this time :)
>> Don't stand tall here and flex your English. I could correct just
>> about every sentence you wrote below. Make your points and move on.
>
> If you don't like it, oh well. But don't cry about it
>
Learn the difference between crying and making a statement. "Pot calling
the kettle black". Understand that? You inspire to correct my English.
>>> "...habit to rebuild himself..." : "And as Peter has a habit to
>>> rebuild himself ( actually his name )" . He admitted here [1] that
>>> he used to change his names. So what makes it feel insulting to
>>> YOU ?
>>>
>> Used to, as in past tense. He explained clearly why he did and hasn't
>> done it since. That is NOT a habit.
>
> He only agreed that he had changed his name in three different times .
> But he DIDN'T explained why he did and why hasn't done same since then .
>
How long ago? How is that habitual?
>
>>> "wasting coutless<countless> hours to detect flaws..." : "He is
>>> wasting countless hours to detect flaws in mozilla etiquette nd
>>> cancellation policy" : He always opposes cancellation policy . We
>>> who frequents these groups know this fact.
>> You "who frequents" isn't everyone. Most who opposed it in the
>> beginning oppose it still.
>
> If you regularly read posts you should be aware of group's atmosphere .
Yes, sterile.
> It doesn't matter on which side you are standing .
>
It most absolutely does. The policies and how they are enforced puts it
"us" against "you". We saw it one way, you (and Chris & Q) saw it
another (past tense since most of those involved no longer participate).
>>> "I really wonder how Peter managed to get passmark..." : Indeed its
>>> an insulting comment and the reason was this post [2] . If you
>>> don't like to receive insulting comment then either don't insult
>>> others or get a thick skin .
>>>
>> Doesn't matter why. It's still insulting and you admit it. We could
>> make derogatory comments about you, but we don't.
>
> Doesn't matter why !! Again it reminds me your words :
> Always easily said when it isn't about you, isn't it.
>
It doesn't matter BECAUSE THE POINT WAS it was an insult. Your reason
for an insult is irrelevant.
--
»Q«
> On 11/7/2007 3:29 PM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>
> > "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 11/7/2007 12:53 PM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
> >>
> >>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> >>> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a
> >>>> "black diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory
> >>>> remarks. Thats about as bad as me calling him mulatto,
> >>>> Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or even a Buffie.
> >>> Really? Can you provide some citation to show that "jewel" is a
> >>> a slur? I've never come across it.
> >> Come on. I suppose you haven't heard terms with "black" in them.
> >
> > Sure I have.
> >
> >> And they're always about the "odd one", the "loser", the "bad one".
> >
> > Nope.
>
> Okay. Well snip out my example to pretend ignorance.
One example doesn't provide any support for your claim of "always", so
I snipped it as irrelevant.
> And "yes", they are.
No.
> >
> > But I was asking about "jewel", which Peter says is derogatory. If
> > it actually is, maybe you or he will provide some evidence.
> >
>
> We weren't talking about "jewel". If Nir would have left it as
> "jewel", I doubt it would have been considered derogatory.
Yes, I was talking about "jewel". Reread my quoted text to which you
replied.
> >>>> He called me stupid by his phrase of "how Peter managed to
> >>>> get passmark"
> >>> Nah, plenty of people who aren't stupid aren't good at
> >>> mathematics.
> >> Doesn't matter. Nir took a jab.
> >
> > But it's not an insult to say someone isn't good at mathematics.
> > Surely you've seen Peter's struggles with logic here.
>
> And let's sidetrack the discussion. I know wizards at math that have
> no logic sense at all, and the reverse is also true.
There was no sidetrack; it remains no insult to point out that someone
isn't good at math.
> It's easy to see the derogatory remarks Nir made about Grant in the
> blog.
Sure, pretty mild stuff. Certainly nothing to get hysterical about.
> If someone needs it pointed out, it's just because they have
> issues with Grant in general.
Much of what's been claimed here was fabricated nonsense. I've asked
how "jewel" is used as a slur, and gotten no answer.
> THEY are the ones who need to get over it.
It was Peter who wanted to advertise the blog here and get people
talking about it. I found the stuff funny at the time, but I had
completely forgotten about it.
»Q«
Christopher Jahn <xj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:5OedndMXYursKK_a...@mozilla.org:
>
> > Blinky the Shark wrote:
> >> Christopher Jahn wrote:
> >>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> >>> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>> news:FrSdnY4ccrF_qq_a...@mozilla.org:
> >>>
> >>>> Tom Liotta wrote:
> >>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Einstein and folks of his type couldn't pass regular
> >>>>>> school test. And was made fun of. But implying he would
> >>>>>> be dumb because he couldn't pass test.
> >>>>> You _might_ want to verify the "Einstein" part of that
> >>>>> before using it again.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Einstein flunked high school math
> >>>>
> >>> No, he did not.
> >>> http://www.time.com/time/2007/einstein/3.html
> >>
> >> Forget it. He's rolling. ;)
> >>
> >> (USan film reference.)
> >
> > atleast I have the guts to say that I stand corrected.
You had been advised to verify it /before/ you posted it the first
time, after Phillip had posted the myth.
> > but he did fail his entrance exam to the SFIT: "Rather than
> > completing high school, Albert decided to apply directly to
> > the ETH Zurich, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in
> > Zurich, Switzerland. Without a school certificate, he was
> > required to take an entrance examination, which he did not
> > pass . . . .":
> > http://www.blinkbits.com/en_wikifeeds/albert_Einstein
>
> He failed the entrance exam because it was in FRENCH. Einstein
> didn't know the language the first time he took the exam, at age
> 16.
And he nevertheless excelled at the mathematics and physics part of the
ETH entrance exam, at 16.
»Q«
> However, I only started following and contributing to mozilla.general
> in mid/late October and I therefore missed the whole previous history
> and atmosphere that I assume must have developed over time,
> culminating in this unfortunate situation.
Mostly it's ok in here. You can avoid this stuff by just killing a
thread once someone starts whining, and stick to more interesting
threads.
Terry R.
> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/7/2007 3:29 PM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/7/2007 12:53 PM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>>>>> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> He called me a "jewel" and even went so far as to make it a
>>>>>> "black diamond of a jewel", which both are very derogatory
>>>>>> remarks. Thats about as bad as me calling him mulatto,
>>>>>> Brown Sahib, a Golliwogg, or even a Buffie.
>>>>> Really? Can you provide some citation to show that "jewel" is a
>>>>> a slur? I've never come across it.
>>>> Come on. I suppose you haven't heard terms with "black" in them.
>>> Sure I have.
>>>
>>>> And they're always about the "odd one", the "loser", the "bad one".
>>> Nope.
>> Okay. Well snip out my example to pretend ignorance.
>
> One example doesn't provide any support for your claim of "always", so
> I snipped it as irrelevant.
>
One example is good enough, when referring to people, and that's what we
were discussing. You look up black sheep online and tell me what comes
back. Blinky's examples weren't about people; "black gold", "in the
black", different references. Nir said, "...jewel (Black Diamond)". To
me, it was derogatory, especially when followed by, "He is wasting...",
"Poor Peter...". If Nir would have built Grant up, then "jewel"
possibly could have been considered a compliment. Do you really think
"Q is a jewel", and "Q is a jewel (black diamond)" can be taken the
same? I take the second one as a sarcastic remark. Kind of like, "Nir
has a lot of class. All low." The first part can be considered a
compliment, but the 2nd part turns the sentence around. To ME, that's
what Nir did by saying, "...jewel (black diamond)".
>> And "yes", they are.
>
> No.
>
>>> But I was asking about "jewel", which Peter says is derogatory. If
>>> it actually is, maybe you or he will provide some evidence.
>>>
>> We weren't talking about "jewel". If Nir would have left it as
>> "jewel", I doubt it would have been considered derogatory.
>
> Yes, I was talking about "jewel". Reread my quoted text to which you
> replied.
>
Yes, you did speak of "jewel". I took the whole context of it, with
black diamond correlating to jewel.
>>>>>> He called me stupid by his phrase of "how Peter managed to
>>>>>> get passmark"
>>>>> Nah, plenty of people who aren't stupid aren't good at
>>>>> mathematics.
>>>> Doesn't matter. Nir took a jab.
>>> But it's not an insult to say someone isn't good at mathematics.
>>> Surely you've seen Peter's struggles with logic here.
>> And let's sidetrack the discussion. I know wizards at math that have
>> no logic sense at all, and the reverse is also true.
>
> There was no sidetrack; it remains no insult to point out that someone
> isn't good at math.
One comment maybe. But Nir made more than one. The totality of all of
them makes it insulting.
>
>> It's easy to see the derogatory remarks Nir made about Grant in the
>> blog.
>
> Sure, pretty mild stuff. Certainly nothing to get hysterical about.
>
>> If someone needs it pointed out, it's just because they have
>> issues with Grant in general.
>
> Much of what's been claimed here was fabricated nonsense. I've asked
> how "jewel" is used as a slur, and gotten no answer.
If "jewel" was used with further compliments, I would agree. But in this
case it was used in a derogatory manner.
>
>> THEY are the ones who need to get over it.
>
> It was Peter who wanted to advertise the blog here and get people
> talking about it. I found the stuff funny at the time, but I had
> completely forgotten about it.
I guess I read it before Grant did, because I sent him the link and then
he posted this. Like I said before, I feel the people who are making
light of it are those who take issue with Grant in general, and consider
it funny.
Christopher Jahn
»news:20071108140...@bellgrove.remarqs.net:
>> > but he did fail his entrance exam to the SFIT: "Rather than
>> > completing high school, Albert decided to apply directly to
>> > the ETH Zurich, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
>> > in Zurich, Switzerland. Without a school certificate, he
>> > was required to take an entrance examination, which he did
>> > not pass . . . .":
>> > http://www.blinkbits.com/en_wikifeeds/albert_Einstein
>>
>> He failed the entrance exam because it was in FRENCH.
>> Einstein didn't know the language the first time he took the
>> exam, at age 16.
>
> And he nevertheless excelled at the mathematics and physics
> part of the ETH entrance exam, at 16.
>
The truth is almost always more compelling than the crap people
make up because it soothes their ego. Better to say that "he
failed math tests" than point out that he was attempting to skip
from high school to college, and only a language barrier slowed
did not stop him.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, if you don't take it out and use
it it's going to rust.
Christopher Jahn
>> There was no sidetrack; it remains no insult to point out
>> that someone isn't good at math.
>
> One comment maybe. But Nir made more than one. The totality of
> all of them makes it insulting.
That's a stupid statement. Commenting that someone sucks at math
does not turn it from an accurate observation into an insult
simply because it's noted on more than one occasion. There might
be a way to turn it into an insult, you haven't illustrated it.
Peter is full of himself, Nir was pricking his ego. That's it.
It's not a "contest of wills" or "a struggle for the moral high
ground." The only thing that this exchange has proved is that
Peter has no sense of humor, and less class.
After all, no one here ever discovered this blog in the 2 1/2
months it's been on the internet. Peter himself found it, and
dragged it out, and made a big deal out of it all by himself.
The blog doesn't mention place, or give an outsider any
identifying clues that lead you to "Peter Potamus." He chose not
only to let everyone know that the blog was about him, but to
lead us to the damned thing at all.
No, Peter deserves not one ounce of sympathy; this "insult" is
his own creation.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode.
»Q«
> On 11/8/2007 11:55 AM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>
> > One example doesn't provide any support for your claim of "always",
> > so I snipped it as irrelevant.
>
> One example is good enough, when referring to people, and that's what
> we were discussing.
One example (or two or four) is /never/ good enough when you're making a
claim of "always". And generalizing to "always" based on examples is a
bad idea, in this case leading to two people getting all bent out of
shape for no good reason.
> You look up black sheep online and tell me what comes back.
Why? Was somebody arguing with you about black sheep?
> >> We weren't talking about "jewel". If Nir would have left it as
> >> "jewel", I doubt it would have been considered derogatory.
> >
> > Yes, I was talking about "jewel". Reread my quoted text to which
> > you replied.
>
> Yes, you did speak of "jewel".
Yes. I see Peter has said now why he considers "jewel" offensive when
it's used to describe him.
> One comment maybe. But Nir made more than one. The totality of all of
> them makes it insulting.
Heh, I guess that explains a lot. The comments themselves aren't
insulting, but placed in paragraphs they're something to scream about.
> I guess I read it before Grant did, because I sent him the link and
> then he posted this.
Ah, I thought it was only Peter who wanted to stir the pot and you came
in later to help. Thanks for clarifying.
Christopher Jahn
»news:20071108163...@bellgrove.remarqs.net:
>> One comment maybe. But Nir made more than one. The totality
>> of all of them makes it insulting.
>
> Heh, I guess that explains a lot. The comments themselves
> aren't insulting, but placed in paragraphs they're something
> to scream about.
ROTLMAO!!
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
I... have become... comfortably numb
Terry R.
> »Q« <box...@gmx.net> wrote in
> »news:20071108140...@bellgrove.remarqs.net:
>
>>>> but he did fail his entrance exam to the SFIT: "Rather than
>>>> completing high school, Albert decided to apply directly to
>>>> the ETH Zurich, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
>>>> in Zurich, Switzerland. Without a school certificate, he
>>>> was required to take an entrance examination, which he did
>>>> not pass . . . .":
>>>> http://www.blinkbits.com/en_wikifeeds/albert_Einstein
>>> He failed the entrance exam because it was in FRENCH.
>>> Einstein didn't know the language the first time he took the
>>> exam, at age 16.
>> And he nevertheless excelled at the mathematics and physics
>> part of the ETH entrance exam, at 16.
>>
>
> The truth is almost always more compelling than the crap people
> make up because it soothes their ego. Better to say that "he
> failed math tests" than point out that he was attempting to skip
> from high school to college, and only a language barrier slowed
> did not stop him.
>
I had heard the "crap" and believed it until now. It wasn't a big deal
to me to search out whether it was true or not. So new things learned
every day!
Terry R.
> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/8/2007 11:55 AM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> One example doesn't provide any support for your claim of "always",
>>> so I snipped it as irrelevant.
>> One example is good enough, when referring to people, and that's what
>> we were discussing.
>
> One example (or two or four) is /never/ good enough when you're making a
> claim of "always". And generalizing to "always" based on examples is a
> bad idea, in this case leading to two people getting all bent out of
> shape for no good reason.
>
>> You look up black sheep online and tell me what comes back.
>
> Why? Was somebody arguing with you about black sheep?
>
Well, then to be exacting, what is a "black diamond"? It is an inferior
diamond. You don't consider that an insult? Calling someone a "jewel"
and then a "black diamond"? Ah, precious, but inferior...
>>>> We weren't talking about "jewel". If Nir would have left it as
>>>> "jewel", I doubt it would have been considered derogatory.
>>> Yes, I was talking about "jewel". Reread my quoted text to which
>>> you replied.
>> Yes, you did speak of "jewel".
>
> Yes. I see Peter has said now why he considers "jewel" offensive when
> it's used to describe him.
>
And "black diamond" was calling him of lower quality. Nir knew exactly
what he was saying.
>> One comment maybe. But Nir made more than one. The totality of all of
>> them makes it insulting.
>
> Heh, I guess that explains a lot. The comments themselves aren't
> insulting, but placed in paragraphs they're something to scream about.
>
>> I guess I read it before Grant did, because I sent him the link and
>> then he posted this.
>
> Ah, I thought it was only Peter who wanted to stir the pot and you came
> in later to help. Thanks for clarifying.
I guess if you paid attention to his first post you would have read
where it was "pointed out" to him.
Gus Richter
> Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>> On 11/7/2007 Christopher Jahn wrote:
>>> But Peter's just being a poop-head. He thinks he can act like an ass
>>> and not pay any price for it.
>>
>> Gotta disagree with you on this one Chris. Problem is that Peter
>> doesn't realize it when he's acting like an ass, which - unfortunately
>> - occurs way to often in these newsgroups! Example: the very long
>> thread in which Peter insisted that no developers read these newsgroups!
>>
>
> As far as I was concern, developers didn't read the newsgroups.
> However, someone provided me with proof that they do, and I stood
> corrected. All it took was one person to provide that little proof, and
> that entire thread could have been avoided. But no, instead, the
> everyone kept saying they do, but wouldn't provide that proof. I was
> being forced to believe their word in it. And in that thread, posters
> ended up calling me all sorts of name, because they wouldn't provide the
> proof. As a matter of fact, its the same people calling me names here
> as they do to many other posters.
I don't care what proof they gave you, but essentially it is true that
developers do not come to the support groups, even if one or two do come
once in a blue moon.
Jay used to take worthy stuff back to the developers that was discussed
in the newsgroups, but what's left now doesn't and prefer more to get
involved in gang bashing as in this thread when there isn't someone to
admonish about being OT, which seems to be the highest order of things
to take care of.
Regarding the rest of the thread, I wouldn't like people to talk about
my family "jewels" and someone mentioned "prickled". ;-)
--
Gus
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
The origin
Throughout the human history Diamond always remained a symbol of power
and economic prosperity of its owner. The hardest of all gemstones,
diamond's values are determined depending on four factors, namely, the
cut, clarity, color and carat weight.
Most commonly, diamond are Colorless and white, usually lightly tinged
with yellow, orange or brown. Red, blue and green diamonds are rare to
be found and availability of deep red, blue, green, or purple diamonds
are even rarer. But it is the black diamonds that are the rarest among
the entire carbon family.
From the geological point of view, a black diamond, or carbonado
originated on earth 3.5 billion years ago. Infernal heat and pressure,
under the earth's surface transformed the carbon atoms into crystals.
Through the repeated volcanic eruptions they were able to reach the
earth's surface around one million years ago.
Characteristic Features
These black Diamonds are opaque having a specific gravity of 3.1 - 3.3.
They are virtually without cleavages. Just like color less diamonds,
they are of great hardness that amounts to 10 in the Mohs's scale of
hardness. They are full of criss-crossing scratch marks containing black
deposits of Sulfides which are responsible for their opaque texture.
The major source of this black variety of diamond is Brazil. Naturally
they occur in irregular and rounded carbonado fragments. In their
crudest form, their physical properties vary from compact to porous.
Among them, some crystals are denser having the lesser intensity of
flaws. These crystals are rare and produce higher quality black diamonds
after a good amount of polishing.
Sometimes a few black diamonds are found with comparatively less
inclusions so that they look translucent or semitransparent. These
varieties are very rare and naturally they command a very high price.
However, as a general rule, black diamonds come with a heavily flawed
surface and a uniform presence of black is not something very common.
Most part of the black diamond is actually covered by grey and dark grey
elements.
So far as the black diamonds are concerned, cut is of utmost importance,
because the final look of the stone depends on the fashion of the cut of
this stone. Black diamonds are often pitted and pose great difficulties
in cutting. But once given a reasonable cutting, they become quite
unparallel in beauty and elegance.
Black diamond jewelry Value
Diamonds that naturally occur with shades of color are referred to as
"Fancy". Fancy colored diamonds are valued by the intensity of their
color concentration. All colored diamonds belong to the carbon family.
The difference of the color is the result of the different molecular
structures of the crystals. A diamond being black means it is in a
transitional stage between graphite and pure diamond.
However, sometimes, the black diamonds are confused with white diamonds
with Black inclusions. These inclusions are the natural substances,
included during the crystal formation. These diamonds are much less
valuable than the black diamonds.
Perhaps Black Diamonds are the most appropriate example of the
'corporatization' of fashion. Much of the hype surrounding this stone is
the result of aggressive marketing strategies of some of the leading
jewellery companies. The high price of this stone can also be attributed
to the fact, that the supply of this stone has been controlled by these
companies in a large way.
Mystic Value
Since antiquity, myth and mysteries surround this stone. In ancient
Indian mythology, this stone that appear like the eyes of serpent was
believed to be dedicated to Yama, the God of death. On the contrary, in
ancient Italy, a black diamond was regarded as the stone of
reconciliation. It was believed that touch of black diamond has the
power of patching up all misunderstandings between the warring couples.
Famous Black Diamonds
There are several world famous black diamonds that never ceased to
enthrall the connoisseurs of the gemstones around the world. There is
the Pear Shaped Amsterdam Diamond that weighs
55.85 carats and was so named in the occasion of Amsterdam's 700
anniversary.
The Black Diamond of Bahia which was discovered in Brazil is equally
famous. This 350 carats stone is famous for its unpolished rugged look.
It was so hard it could not be polished.
Probably the most famous Black Diamond is Black Star of Africa. It is
also regarded to be the largest colored-diamond in the world. It weighed
202 carat and was valued at 1.2 million US dollars.
--
Jay Garcia - Staff Member
Netscape Communications Division of AOL
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org
Irwin Greenwald
So Nir, are you sorry *NOW* that you wrote that blog?
--
Irwin
Please do not use my email address to make requests for help.
Knowledge Base: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Main_Page
Tom Liotta
But those _are_ the more interesting threads. (IMO)
--
Tom Liotta
Ken Whiton
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... Thinner than the skin of the average hippo. ;-)
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»Q«
> On 11/8/2007 2:32 PM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>
> > "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Calling someone a "jewel" and then a "black diamond"? Ah, precious,
> but inferior...
Sure, and please note that I haven't argued with you at all about that,
despite your repeated efforts to change the topic to that.
IMO, that's a very, very mild insult, not worth posting about, but
clearly, mileage varies.
> >> I guess I read it before Grant did, because I sent him the link and
> >> then he posted this.
> >
> > Ah, I thought it was only Peter who wanted to stir the pot and you
> > came in later to help. Thanks for clarifying.
>
> I guess if you paid attention to his first post you would have read
> where it was "pointed out" to him.
I did pay attention to his first post, but I didn't realize it had been
pointed out to him by someone actively trying to keep the flames going
until you said you were the one.
»Q«
> Throughout the human history Diamond always remained a symbol of power
> and economic prosperity of its owner. The hardest of all gemstones,
> diamond's values are determined depending on four factors, namely, the
> cut, clarity, color and carat weight.
[big snip]
Whaddaya think you're doing, posting a bunch of interesting info in the
middle of a pissing match? ;)
Herb
Sure, I'm aware that I can kill/ignore threads, but I regard these
groups as a normally very helpful and friendly online community and I
find it quite disturbing when the atmosphere deteriorates in this way.
--
Herbert Eppel
www.HETranslation.co.uk
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
And THAT is one of the main reasons why you don't see the programmers
and other knowledgeable peer support users in here any longer or post
just "every now and then".
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
so, what you're saying is that all the unhelpful and
unfriendly atmosphere in the support groups are the reason
why the programmers don't post in the groups?
Well, I think the groups are unfriendly because of the spam
mooses which drove them out. Not the idle chattering. Its
the chatter that makes the groups fun.
--
*IMPORTANT*: Sorry folks, but messages emailed to me will be
disregarded!!!!
Peter Potamus & His Magic Flying Balloon:
http://www.toonopedia.com/potamus.htm
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> so, what you're saying is that all the unhelpful and
> unfriendly atmosphere in the support groups are the reason
> why the programmers don't post in the groups?
For the most part, yes, the primary reason as stated by some of the
programmers.
> Well, I think the groups are unfriendly because of the spam
> mooses which drove them out. Not the idle chattering. Its
> the chatter that makes the groups fun.
Chatter and camaraderie is just fine and encouraged in some support
venues. But when it turns into the
mega-thread-name-calling-argumentative-forever-loading thread, it no
longer becomes "fun" or just "chatter". This is mostly the case when
users/programmers, etc. subscribe to the mailing list(s) and/or are on
dialup.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> On 09.11.2007 11:13, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> so, what you're saying is that all the unhelpful and
>> unfriendly atmosphere in the support groups are the reason
>> why the programmers don't post in the groups?
>
> For the most part, yes, the primary reason as stated by some of the
> programmers.
>
>> Well, I think the groups are unfriendly because of the spam
>> mooses which drove them out. Not the idle chattering. Its
>> the chatter that makes the groups fun.
>
> Chatter and camaraderie is just fine and encouraged in some support
> venues. But when it turns into the
> mega-thread-name-calling-argumentative-forever-loading thread, it no
> longer becomes "fun" or just "chatter".
but isn't the vast majority of the so-called
"mega-thread-name-calling-argumentative-forever-loading
thread" on the mozilla.general newsgroup. I don't see very
much of that happening in the support groups, except for
when one person [AdF] comes in, then it is. But, again
thats rare.
»Q«
> but isn't the vast majority of the so-called
> "mega-thread-name-calling-argumentative-forever-loading
> thread" on the mozilla.general newsgroup. I don't see very
> much of that happening in the support groups, except for
> when one person [AdF] comes in, then it is. But, again
> thats rare.
Yes. That's one of the reasons to keep OT stuff out of the support
groups, so that if devs or users drop by they won't have to wade
through piles of useless and unpleasant stuff.
Chris Ilias
> Sure, I'm aware that I can kill/ignore threads, but I regard these
> groups as a normally very helpful and friendly online community and I
> find it quite disturbing when the atmosphere deteriorates in this way.
Is the bad atmosphere in here (mozilla.general) or in the support
newsgroups?
--
Chris Ilias <http://ilias.ca>
List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 09.11.2007 11:13, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> so, what you're saying is that all the unhelpful and
>>> unfriendly atmosphere in the support groups are the reason
>>> why the programmers don't post in the groups?
>>
>> For the most part, yes, the primary reason as stated by some of the
>> programmers.
>>
>>> Well, I think the groups are unfriendly because of the spam
>>> mooses which drove them out. Not the idle chattering. Its
>>> the chatter that makes the groups fun.
>>
>> Chatter and camaraderie is just fine and encouraged in some support
>> venues. But when it turns into the
>> mega-thread-name-calling-argumentative-forever-loading thread, it no
>> longer becomes "fun" or just "chatter".
>
> but isn't the vast majority of the so-called
> "mega-thread-name-calling-argumentative-forever-loading
> thread" on the mozilla.general newsgroup. I don't see very
> much of that happening in the support groups, except for
> when one person [AdF] comes in, then it is. But, again
> thats rare.
>
.general isn't the problem. It's those threads prior to somebody doing
the f'up to .general and/or someone deliberately cancelling the f'ups or
not even setting a f'up to begin with. It's more of a feeling of "there
is always an argument going on, etc." However, IMHO, things will settle
down in time.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
Peter pay no mind. after they tire of *whomping up on you* they will
find someone else to pick on or belittle.
They haven't on me for a while. guess it will be my turn next.
Just shows they are bored and have nothing better to do.
Seem like some sophomoric teenagers.
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> find someone else to pick on or belittle.
when you said that . . .
> They haven't on me for a while. guess it will be my turn next.
I instantly thought of that. I guess we can read them like
a book
> Just shows they are bored and have nothing better to do.
>
> Seem like some sophomoric teenagers.
just recently they jumped all over on Andrew DF, then me, so
I guess you're next line ;-)
»Q«
> Peter pay no mind. after they tire of *whomping up on you* they will
> find someone else to pick on or belittle.
>
> They haven't on me for a while. guess it will be my turn next.
I've never actually seen you get "whomped on", just disagreed with.
OTOH, I've seen you complain a lot about how you're treated.
There, was that a "whomping"? ;)
Gus Richter
> On 11/9/07 2:11 AM, _Herb_ spoke thusly:
>> Sure, I'm aware that I can kill/ignore threads, but I regard these
>> groups as a normally very helpful and friendly online community and I
>> find it quite disturbing when the atmosphere deteriorates in this way.
>
> Is the bad atmosphere in here (mozilla.general) or in the support
> newsgroups?
Wherever the hell you stick *your* nose!
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Nir
> On 11/8/2007 9:48 AM On a whim, Nir pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> Terry R. wrote, On 11/08/2007 10:04 PM:
>>> On 11/8/2007 3:49 AM On a whim, Nir pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> Terry R. wrote, On 11/08/2007 06:48 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> So, "wasting coutless hours to detect flaws...", "His contribution
>>>>> reset to zero", "...habit to rebuild himself...", "I
>>>>> really wonder how Peter managed to get passmark...". I don't see
>>>>> how only an egotist would consider it insulting. Wouldn't it piss
>>>>> you off a bit?
>>>> Let me complete those incomplete sentences this time :)
>>> Don't stand tall here and flex your English. I could correct just
>>> about every sentence you wrote below. Make your points and move on.
>>
>> If you don't like it, oh well. But don't cry about it
>>
>
> Learn the difference between crying and making a statement. "Pot
> calling the kettle black". Understand that? You inspire to correct my
> English.
>
You said "Don't stand tall here and flex your English" . It still sounds
to me as cry . ( channel noise ? :-\ )
>>>> "...habit to rebuild himself..." : "And as Peter has a habit to
>>>> rebuild himself ( actually his name )" . He admitted here [1] that
>>>> he used to change his names. So what makes it feel insulting to YOU ?
>>>>
>>> Used to, as in past tense. He explained clearly why he did and hasn't
>>> done it since. That is NOT a habit.
>>
>> He only agreed that he had changed his name in three different times .
>> But he DIDN'T explained why he did and why hasn't done same since then .
>>
>
You haven't yet explained why Peter had changed his name in three
different times .
> How long ago? How is that habitual?
>
It doesn't matter how long ago he did it . He did it and has admitted it
also ;) . So its irrelevant to guess when again in future he will change
his name . Peter has a habit to change his name .
>>
>>>> "wasting coutless<countless> hours to detect flaws..." : "He is
>>>> wasting countless hours to detect flaws in mozilla etiquette nd
>>>> cancellation policy" : He always opposes cancellation policy . We
>>>> who frequents these groups know this fact.
>>> You "who frequents" isn't everyone. Most who opposed it in the
>>> beginning oppose it still.
>>
>> If you regularly read posts you should be aware of group's atmosphere .
>
> Yes, sterile.
>
>> It doesn't matter on which side you are standing .
>>
>
> It most absolutely does. The policies and how they are enforced puts
> it "us" against "you". We saw it one way, you (and Chris & Q) saw it
> another (past tense since most of those involved no longer participate).
>
No, it doesn't . There are only two possible cases , 1. You are not
against the policy 2. you are against it . And in both cases you know
who is on which side .
>>>> "I really wonder how Peter managed to get passmark..." : Indeed its
>>>> an insulting comment and the reason was this post [2] . If you
>>>> don't like to receive insulting comment then either don't insult
>>>> others or get a thick skin .
>>>>
>>> Doesn't matter why. It's still insulting and you admit it. We could
>>> make derogatory comments about you, but we don't.
>>
>> Doesn't matter why !! Again it reminds me your words :
>> Always easily said when it isn't about you, isn't it.
>>
>
> It doesn't matter BECAUSE THE POINT WAS it was an insult. Your reason
> for an insult is irrelevant.
>
No, it still matters because Peter's insult to me is the source of the
problem . I challenged him in this NG with mathematical calculation and
Peter intentionally avoided my challenge .
>>>> "His contribution reset to zero" : "And as Peter has a habit to
>>>> rebuild himself ( actually his name ) time to time and many *people
>>>> fails to relate two identity* , thats makes situation worse . His
>>>> contribution reset to zero :( ." : Peter starts from scratch when
>>>> he uses a new name .
>>>>
>>> You're the only one who reads it that way. To me, someone who's
>>> "contribution (is) reset to zero", is worthless.
>>>>> I'm sure Nir wouldn't say that to Grant's face. I figure if a person
>>>>>
>>>> Huh! If you were little more careful , you would find that I
>>>> posted those three blog entries almost as soon as Peter pointed out
>>>> my blog profile [3] . As he was so much interested in my blogs , i
>>>> was expecting that he will find it himself as all blogs of same
>>>> author listed under his profile . But seems like he lost all
>>>> interest in my blogs just after posting those links .
>>>>
>>> You need to comprehend better. "I posted", is NOT saying it to a
>>> persons face. You are hiding behind the security of the internet,
>>> feeling free to type whatever you want. If I post something to
>>> someone, I make sure I would say the same thing if they were standing
>>> in front of me. You should do the same.
>>>>> couldn't say it to someones face, don't say it. But the internet
>>>>> now has all these little people hiding behind computers, thinking
>>>>> they can do or say anything they want.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Nir is supposed to be a representative of this server, writing
>>>>> crap like that should cost him his job. But I guess it's okay to
>>>>> jab contributors, as long as you're untouchable in another
>>>>> country.
>>>>>
>
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
<snip major nonsense>
>>> If you don't like it, oh well. But don't cry about it
For crying out loud Nir, grow up and act the part of a professional
chosen moderator by ignoring the tendencies to keep replying to an
endless thread regardless of the group it's in. Did Chris choose wrong
or what? This is getting to be a "last word" contest.
Nir
> On 10.11.2007 08:44, Nir wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> <snip major nonsense>
>
>>>> If you don't like it, oh well. But don't cry about it
>
> For crying out loud Nir, grow up and act the part of a professional
> chosen moderator by ignoring the tendencies to keep replying to an
> endless thread regardless of the group it's in. Did Chris choose wrong
> or what? This is getting to be a "last word" contest.
>
Thanks for your insight :)
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> You haven't yet explained why Peter had changed his name in three
> different times .
so whats your point. I did and its been a well known fact.
So what. Get a life. Get over it. Its only you that
keeps harping about it. Oh, correction, you and one other
former Moz Chump.
>> How long ago? How is that habitual?
>>
> It doesn't matter how long ago he did it . He did it and has admitted it
> also ;) . So its irrelevant to guess when again in future he will change
> his name . Peter has a habit to change his name .
its only been done three time, so what, get a life and get
over it.
>
>
>>>>> "wasting coutless<countless> hours to detect flaws..." :
the only one who's wasting countless hours here is you for
detecting how many times I went from
heavens.to...@gmail.com to Snagglepuss to what it is
now. For crying out loud, you're getting to be as bad as
that other Moz Chump, get over it. So what. Its not a
biggie. Only you're turning it into some sort of crime.
You keep yappin' about it.
> No, it still matters because Peter's insult to me is the source of the
> problem .
excuse me, atleast I insult you here in the newsgroups. You
on the other hand insult me somewhere else -- thats the
problem. You couldn't do it here.
Bob
wasting our time and leave!
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Please get this idiot off the group or all of the rest of us will quit
> wasting our time and leave!
this newsgroup is for any and all off topic postings,
whether you like it or not. If you don't, then don't read,
or go elsewhere.
Have a good day now, you hear!
»Q«
> this newsgroup is for any and all off topic postings,
It's not for that -- it's for discussing Mozilla-related topics that
don't fit in any other group. But the cancellation policy doesn't
apply here.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
I think you need to re-read the moz etiquette page:
http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html. The moz
general newsgroup is for off topic postings.
And even the head spam moose says so:
http://ilias.ca/newsserverinfo under the title of "Will OT
discussion be appropriate in the new support groups"
»Q«
<peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> »Q« wrote:
> > Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> > <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> this newsgroup is for any and all off topic postings,
> >
> > It's not for that -- it's for discussing Mozilla-related topics that
> > don't fit in any other group. But the cancellation policy doesn't
> > apply here.
>
> I think you need to re-read the moz etiquette page:
> http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html.
I did re-read it right before I posted. And now I've re-read it
again. Your turn to read it.
> The moz general newsgroup is for off topic postings.
Sure, for Mozilla-related stuff that's not on-topic in any of the other
n.m.o groups. But not for "any and all off topic postings" as you said
above.
> And even the head spam moose says so:
> http://ilias.ca/newsserverinfo under the title of "Will OT
> discussion be appropriate in the new support groups"
First, that's an unofficial info page. Second, it doesn't say
what you claimed. It does say what the etiquette page says, though.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
they both say: "Off-topic discussion not taken to private
email, mozilla.general, or any place where it is not
considered off-topic. . . "
Therefore, moz.gen is for OT stuff.
Chris Ilias
> »Q« wrote:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> this newsgroup is for any and all off topic postings,
>>
>> It's not for that -- it's for discussing Mozilla-related topics that
>> don't fit in any other group. But the cancellation policy doesn't
>> apply here.
>
> I think you need to re-read the moz etiquette page:
> http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html. The moz
> general newsgroup is for off topic postings.
>
> And even the head spam moose says so:
> http://ilias.ca/newsserverinfo under the title of "Will OT
> discussion be appropriate in the new support groups"
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/msg/2bb3c36a28ee71a3
http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html#general
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/msg/2bb3c36a28ee71a3
quote: "<nit-pick> mozilla.general is intended for any
discussion related to Mozilla. Religious discussion is
still considered OT in here; but the big difference is that
OT discussion is allowed here. </nit-pick>
Therefore, the moz.gen is for any and all off topic discussions.
»Q«
<peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > First, that's an unofficial info page. Second, it doesn't say
> > what you claimed. It does say what the etiquette page says,
> > though.
>
> they both say: "Off-topic discussion not taken to private
> email, mozilla.general, or any place where it is not
> considered off-topic. . . "
>
> Therefore, moz.gen is for OT stuff.
As long as you leave behind your previous claim that it's for "any and
all off topic postings", that's fine. It's for stuff that would be
off-topic in the other n.m.o groups, but is Mozilla-related. Stuff
that is unrelated to Mozilla doesn't belong here (and should be taken
to e-mail or some place where it's on-topic), but it won't be cancelled
if it's posted here.
Chris Jahn
»news:20071111001...@bellgrove.remarqs.net:
http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html#general
"For everything with no forum of its own: discussion about any
and all aspects of all the things that we're doing here at
mozilla.org."
Once again, Peter is ignoring facts that undermine his opinion.
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