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Matt Craighead

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Nov 21, 2008, 7:05:35 PM11/21/08
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Hi all,
 
It looks like I'm not the first person asking about this, but is there any chance of getting Python 2.6 Windows binaries posted in the near future?
 
I have a commercial product that integrates with Apache and mod_python, and currently it uses Python 2.5.2.  Unfortunately I've run into an issue with the sqlite3 module in Python 2.5 that was fixed in Python 2.6, so I'd like to upgrade everything to Python 2.6.  I also just recently learned about mod_wsgi and am thinking that it might be a good idea to switch -- it doesn't look like mod_python development is terribly active, and if it performs better that never hurts.
 
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Clodoaldo

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Nov 22, 2008, 5:29:23 AM11/22/08
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On Nov 21, 10:05 pm, "Matt Craighead"
<matt.craigh...@conifersystems.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> It looks like I'm not the first person asking about this, but is there any
> chance of getting Python 2.6 Windows binaries posted in the near future?

The site of the person who builds the binaries is this:

http://adal.chiriliuc.com/

There is his email there.

Regards, Clodoaldo

Graham Dumpleton

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Nov 22, 2008, 5:40:24 AM11/22/08
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2008/11/22 Clodoaldo <clodoal...@gmail.com>:
>
> On Nov 21, 10:05 pm, "Matt Craighead"
> <matt.craigh...@conifersystems.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> It looks like I'm not the first person asking about this, but is there any
>> chance of getting Python 2.6 Windows binaries posted in the near future?
>
> The site of the person who builds the binaries is this:
>
> http://adal.chiriliuc.com/
>
> There is his email there.

I have tried a couple of times to get his attention via the list about
getting Python 2.6 binaries for mod_wsgi, but not no success so far.
:-(

Graham

gert

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Nov 22, 2008, 1:10:49 PM11/22/08
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i send a message :-)
on the other hand, how do you compile this on windows anyway ?

Matt Craighead

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Nov 22, 2008, 2:40:51 PM11/22/08
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If I were to build it myself, could someone else test and post it?  Is there a particular compiler you would want me to use?  I have VS2005 SP1 but I don't have VS2008.
 
I found the following stuff about how to build it:

gert

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Nov 22, 2008, 4:51:45 PM11/22/08
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What happens when you paste this in the compiler ?

http://modwsgi.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/mod_wsgi/mod_wsgi.c

Martin (gzlist)

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Nov 23, 2008, 7:46:19 AM11/23/08
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On 22/11/2008, Matt Craighead <matt.cr...@conifersystems.com> wrote:
>
> I have a commercial product that integrates with Apache and mod_python, and
> currently it uses Python 2.5.2. Unfortunately I've run into an issue with
> the sqlite3 module in Python 2.5 that was fixed in Python 2.6, so I'd like
> to upgrade everything to Python 2.6.

Wouldn't the smarter option be to update the sqlite bindings, rather
than the whole
interpreter to bleeding edge?

Maybe you've already tried it and it didn't fix whatever your issue
is, but seems like
it is worth giving a go.

See:
<http://oss.itsystementwicklung.de/trac/pysqlite/>

Martin

Matt Craighead

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Nov 23, 2008, 12:40:36 PM11/23/08
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I could update the version of Python I redistribute as part of my Windows installer, but for mod_python or for Linux/Mac I'm relying on the user's own local Python install.  Every extra step the user has to follow to get it set up is another opportunity to make a mistake.  I'd prefer to keep external dependencies to a minimum.
 
There are other reasons I'd like to be using Python 2.6 anyway, this just happens to be the first "major" issue I've discovered with Python 2.5.2.

Adal Chiriliuc

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Nov 23, 2008, 6:34:03 PM11/23/08
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Hello,

Sorry, I've been quite busy lately.

I will try to post new builds in the following few days, including Python 2.6 binaries.

Matt, you must build mod_wsgi with the same compiler used for building Python 2.x. I don't know with what is Python 2.6 built, but if it's VS 2008, you can't use VS 2005.

Best regards,
Adal

m0nonoke

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Jan 20, 2009, 5:13:17 AM1/20/09
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Still no sign of Python 2.6 windows binary :(

On Nov 23 2008, 11:34 pm, "Adal Chiriliuc" <adal.chiril...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Sorry, I've been quite busy lately.
>
> I will try to post new builds in the following few days, including Python
> 2.6 binaries.
>
> Matt, you must build mod_wsgi with the same compiler used for building
> Python 2.x. I don't know with what is Python 2.6 built, but if it's VS 2008,
> you can't use VS 2005.
>
> Best regards,
> Adal
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Graham Dumpleton <
>
> graham.dumple...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 2008/11/22 Clodoaldo <clodoaldo.pi...@gmail.com>:

Graham Dumpleton

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2009/1/20 m0nonoke <affo...@gmail.com>:
>
> Still no sign of Python 2.6 windows binary :(

Yes, and I am starting to get a a bit unhappy about it as well.

On the assumption that Adal isn't going to be able to help out, let us
start planing how we can ensure have Windows builds for future.

Can someone who knows a bit about Windows and Python get together a
list for me which says what Microsoft C/C++ compiler is required for
building Python extension modules for various versions of Python
available. Basically, need to know which compiler Python installation
was built with. I presume this information is available somewhere on
Python web site. Am interested in what is required for Python 2.4,
2.5, 2.6 and 3.0. Also want to know if any of the free downloadable
versions of Microsoft C/C++ compiler can be used or whether was can
only used the paid for version.

The build scripts that Adal was using are referenced from:

http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/issues/detail?id=4

That is:

http://adal.chiriliuc.com/temp/win32.zip

Knowing compiler requirements and having build scripts, can then see
what various people can do for us.

Graham

Jon Prater

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Jan 23, 2009, 8:35:15 PM1/23/09
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I've been trying to build it with VC++ Express 2008, and I keep
getting errors that it can't find apr.h. I've got the Apache sources,
and I can't find anything called apr.h anywhere in them.

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> 2009/1/20 m0nonoke <affos...@gmail.com>:

Graham Dumpleton

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2009/1/24 Jon Prater <jonatha...@gmail.com>:
>
> I've been trying to build it with VC++ Express 2008, and I keep
> getting errors that it can't find apr.h. I've got the Apache sources,
> and I can't find anything called apr.h anywhere in them.

APR is a separate package to Apache. My understanding though is that
if you use Apache Software Foundation Windows package for Apache then
it would be provided. Other Windows installers for Apache may be
incomplete.

Which Apache installer are you using for Apache?

Graham

Jon Prater

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I downloaded the one that Apache has on its HTTPD website and
installed that. It doesn't come with sources in it though. I
downloaded the sources separately and copied them into Apache's
install directory. There's no apr.h in there.

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> 2009/1/24 Jon Prater <jonathan.pra...@gmail.com>:

Graham Dumpleton

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2009/1/24 Jon Prater <jonatha...@gmail.com>:
>
> I downloaded the one that Apache has on its HTTPD website and
> installed that. It doesn't come with sources in it though. I
> downloaded the sources separately and copied them into Apache's
> install directory. There's no apr.h in there.

Does it include any header files, ie. httpd.h etc. I thought they
should be all provided. If only httpd headers files are included then
someone has screwed up.

You may need to down load the separate source for apr and apr-util.
They need to be same version as was used when Apache was built. I
wouldn't have expected this to be the case though.

Graham

Jon Prater

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Jan 23, 2009, 9:34:20 PM1/23/09
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apr-util is there, and there's an apr folder, but no apr.h. I've
manually added apr\include from the srclib folder of the apache source
distro. In there are apr.hnw, apr.hw, and apr.h.in. Should I copy
one of these as apr.h?

On Jan 23, 9:11 pm, Graham Dumpleton <graham.dumple...@gmail.com>

Jon Prater

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Jan 23, 2009, 9:49:53 PM1/23/09
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I tried copying this file, and got a series of similar errors. Having
copied files as appropriate, I got one final error regarding a missing
os.h. Where am I to find this?

Jon Prater

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I tried copying this file, and got a series of similar errors. Having
copied files as appropriate, I got one final error regarding a missing
os.h. Where am I to find this?

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Jon Prater

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Found os.h, and all the other libraries I was missing that mod_wsgi
requires. Now when I build, I get the following error log:
------ Build started: Project: mod_wsgi_py26_apache22, Configuration:
Release Win32 ------
Compiling...
mod_wsgi.c
c:\python26\include\pyconfig.h(352) : warning C4005: 'PLATFORM' :
macro redefinition
C:\Program Files\Apache Software Foundation\Apache2.2\os
\win32\os.h(41) : see previous definition of 'PLATFORM'
..\mod_wsgi.c(1543) : warning C4018: '>=' : signed/unsigned mismatch
..\mod_wsgi.c(1566) : warning C4018: '<' : signed/unsigned mismatch
..\mod_wsgi.c(1628) : warning C4244: '+=' : conversion from
'apr_off_t' to 'long', possible loss of data
..\mod_wsgi.c(1790) : warning C4018: '<' : signed/unsigned mismatch
..\mod_wsgi.c(1815) : warning C4018: '<' : signed/unsigned mismatch
..\mod_wsgi.c(1930) : warning C4018: '<' : signed/unsigned mismatch
..\mod_wsgi.c(2529) : warning C4244: '=' : conversion from 'apr_off_t'
to 'int', possible loss of data
..\mod_wsgi.c(10039) : error C2065: 'WSGIProcessGroup' : undeclared
identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10039) : error C2065: 'entries' : undeclared identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10039) : warning C4047: '=' : 'int' differs in levels of
indirection from 'void *'
..\mod_wsgi.c(10039) : error C2106: '=' : left operand must be l-value
..\mod_wsgi.c(10040) : error C2065: 'WSGIProcessGroup' : undeclared
identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10040) : error C2065: 'entry' : undeclared identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10040) : warning C4047: '=' : 'int' differs in levels of
indirection from 'void *'
..\mod_wsgi.c(10040) : error C2106: '=' : left operand must be l-value
..\mod_wsgi.c(10042) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before
'type'
..\mod_wsgi.c(10047) : error C2065: 'entries' : undeclared identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10047) : error C2065: 'WSGIProcessGroup' : undeclared
identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10047) : error C2059: syntax error : ')'
..\mod_wsgi.c(10049) : error C2065: 'i' : undeclared identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10049) : error C2065: 'i' : undeclared identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10049) : error C2065: 'i' : undeclared identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10050) : error C2065: 'entry' : undeclared identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10050) : error C2065: 'entries' : undeclared identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10050) : error C2065: 'i' : undeclared identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10050) : error C2109: subscript requires array or
pointer type
..\mod_wsgi.c(10052) : error C2065: 'entry' : undeclared identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10052) : error C2223: left of '->listener_fd' must point
to struct/union
..\mod_wsgi.c(10052) : error C2198: 'close' : too few arguments for
call
..\mod_wsgi.c(10053) : error C2065: 'entry' : undeclared identifier
..\mod_wsgi.c(10053) : error C2223: left of '->listener_fd' must point
to struct/union
Build log was saved at "file://d:\My Projects\mod_wsgi_buildscript
\mod_wsgi_py26_apache22_Release\BuildLog.htm"
mod_wsgi_py26_apache22 - 22 error(s), 10 warning(s)
========== Build: 0 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped
==========

Nimrod A. Abing

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On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Jon Prater <jonatha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> apr-util is there, and there's an apr folder, but no apr.h. I've
> manually added apr\include from the srclib folder of the apache source
> distro. In there are apr.hnw, apr.hw, and apr.h.in. Should I copy
> one of these as apr.h?

Those files are templates used by the configure script to generate the
final apr.h. Copying them as-is and using them to compile anything
will result in errors.

Are you installing using a "Typical" install option? Because that does
not install the headers. You need to install using "Custom" install
and enable the "Build Headers and Libraries" package.
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Jon Prater

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Heh. Wow, that helped. I've still got build errors, though. The
same ones as before. Here's the error log
------ Build started: Project: mod_wsgi_py26_apache22, Configuration:
Release Win32 ------
Compiling...
mod_wsgi.c
c:\python26\include\pyconfig.h(352) : warning C4005: 'PLATFORM' :
macro redefinition
c:\program files\apache software foundation\apache2.2\include
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Jon Prater

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What it looks like is that it's trying to compile some code that
relates to UNIX-specific functions of mod-wsgi. Is there any way to
work around this?

Nimrod A. Abing

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On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Jon Prater <jonatha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What it looks like is that it's trying to compile some code that
> relates to UNIX-specific functions of mod-wsgi. Is there any way to
> work around this?

I took a look at your original post and you mentioned Visual Studio
2008 Express. Do you have the Platform SDK installed? Are you building
this using the IDE? Make sure that you are not targetting the CLR.


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Jon Prater

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Jan 24, 2009, 11:35:23 AM1/24/09
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I am using the IDE, and the CLR's not being referenced at all. I
don't have the SDK installed. I'll install it and see if that helps.

On Jan 24, 10:44 am, "Nimrod A. Abing" <nimrod.ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Jon Prater <jonathan.pra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What it looks like is that it's trying to compile some code that
> > relates to UNIX-specific functions of mod-wsgi.  Is there any way to
> > work around this?
>
> I took a look at your original post and you mentioned Visual Studio
> 2008 Express. Do you have the Platform SDK installed? Are you building
> this using the IDE? Make sure that you are not targetting the CLR.
> --
> Best Regards,
> Nimrod A. Abing
>

Jon Prater

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Jan 24, 2009, 5:18:05 PM1/24/09
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Still the same errors when building following the installation of the
Platform SDK.

Graham Dumpleton

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BTW, make sure you are not using mod_wsgi 2.3 tar ball. Use subversion
check out of:

http://modwsgi.googlecode.com/svn/branches/mod_wsgi-2.X

There are a couple of Windows specific build issues that were fixed since.

Graham

2009/1/25 Jon Prater <jonatha...@gmail.com>:

gert

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http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/source/browse/#svn/trunk/mod_wsgi
copy paste does also work if you do not have svn on windows :-)

Nimrod A. Abing

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Graham Dumpleton
<graham.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> BTW, make sure you are not using mod_wsgi 2.3 tar ball. Use subversion
> check out of:
>
> http://modwsgi.googlecode.com/svn/branches/mod_wsgi-2.X
>
> There are a couple of Windows specific build issues that were fixed since.

Decided to take a stab at it so I tried building with Mingw instead of
VS 2008 (takes hours to install on my PC for some reason). I think
someone mentioned here that you have to compile everything with the
same compiler used to compile Apache and Python. But that's not
entirely true as long as you are using plain C and not C++. GCC and
MSVC compiler uses different name mangling conventions for C++ which
is why you will usually run into trouble if you link to a C++ DLL
module compiled using MSVC. I have successfully built Win32 programs
that linked to MSVC compiled DLL's and .lib files in the past. You
just need to use a couple of tools to create the appropriate format
libraries that Mingw ld can use.

I am able to get it to compile with a couple of warnings about
redefined #define. The problem is when I try to link it with the
Apache libs. The Python 2.6.1 binary from from python.org already has
a libpython26.a and I only needed to create the import libraries for
Apache. So, I went into Apache2.2/bin and did:

pexports libhttpd.dll > libhttpd.dll.def
dlltool -D libhttpd.dll -d libhttpd.dll.def -l libhttpd.dll.a

pexports libapr-1.dll > libapr-1.dll.def
dlltool -D libapr-1.dll -d libapr-1.dll.def -l libapr-1.dll.a

pexports libaprutil-1.dll > libaprutil-1.dll.def
dlltool -D libaprutil-1.dll -d libaprutil-1.dll.def -l libaprutil-1.dll.a

My gcc command line was:

gcc -shared -o mod_wsgi.so mod_wsgi.c -I "C:/Python26/include" -I
"C:/Program Files/Apache Software Foundation/Apache2.2/include" -L
"C:/Python26/libs" -L "C:/Program Files/Apache Software
Foundation/Apache2.2/bin" -lpython26 -lhttpd -lapr-1 -laprutil-1

The errors I got relate to failure to link _imp_ap* and _imp_apr*
functions. Maybe I'm just missing a command line option or a couple of
Windows specific defines. IIRC you need to add __declspec(dllexport)
to such functions. But I'm too drunk to figure it out at the moment.

Anyway, I hope this exercise becomes a useful starting point for
others wanting a mod_wsgi for Windows.


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Jon Prater

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I had similar issues using the SVN checkout, when I tried to build in
VCExpress 2008. I got a series of warnings and then the following
link error:
fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'python26_d.lib'

On Jan 25, 10:56 am, "Nimrod A. Abing" <nimrod.ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Graham Dumpleton
>

Nimrod A. Abing

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On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Jon Prater <jonatha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I had similar issues using the SVN checkout, when I tried to build in
> VCExpress 2008. I got a series of warnings and then the following
> link error:
> fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'python26_d.lib'

It's named python26.lib in Python 2.6.1 from official source at Python.org.

Just FYI, there are two commonly used Win32 binaries of Python out
there. One is the official build from Python.org. The other one is a
"quality assured" build provided by ActiveState called ActivePython.


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Jon Prater

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I'm hunting through all the project files, and neither one ever once
refers to Python26_d.lib. They only directly reference the Apache
libraries. I've tried manually adding Python26.lib, and it still
won't work. It only works if I copy python26.lib to python26_d.lib,
and then it only compiles in Release configuration.

On Jan 25, 11:12 pm, "Nimrod A. Abing" <nimrod.ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Jon Prater <jonathan.pra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I had similar issues using the SVN checkout, when I tried to build in
> > VCExpress 2008.  I got a series of warnings and then the following
> > link error:
> > fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'python26_d.lib'
>
> It's named python26.lib in Python 2.6.1 from official source at Python.org.
>
> Just FYI, there are two commonly used Win32 binaries of Python out
> there. One is the official build from Python.org. The other one is a
> "quality assured" build provided by ActiveState called ActivePython.
> --
> Best Regards,
> Nimrod A. Abing
>

Peter

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Jan 27, 2009, 6:08:23 AM1/27/09
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I only had the python_d problem with a debug build. If you look at
the official python windows build files (http://svn.python.org/view/
python/trunk/PCbuild/), I believe python_d is only used for a debug
build. Also see line 326 of pyconfig.h. The release version of
python only contains python26.dll and python26.lib, so getting this
error when doing attempting a debug build makes sense.

Peter

Jonathan Prater

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Yes, I saw that too, reading the readme.

m0nonoke

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Still no build on the site

Graham Dumpleton

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2009/3/2 m0nonoke <affo...@gmail.com>:
>
> Still no build on the site

It has been built though. Someone here on the list can hopefully give
you a copy.

When next versions of mod_wsgi are released I am going to have to give
up on the current person who is making binaries available and try and
find an alternate way of having them built.

Graham

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I included a binary in the attachment to this message
http://groups.google.com/group/modwsgi/browse_thread/thread/2c214e9a51603bec
. I have not yet received any feedback. Graham, I would be happy to
build a modwsgi binary for the version of python and apache I'm using
(usually latest stable builds).

Peter Santoro

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> 2009/3/2 m0nonoke <affos...@gmail.com>:

Graham Dumpleton

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2009/3/3 <p-sa...@sbcglobal.net>:
>
> I included a binary in the attachment to this message
> http://groups.google.com/group/modwsgi/browse_thread/thread/2c214e9a51603bec
> .  I have not yet received any feedback.  Graham, I would be happy to
> build a modwsgi binary for the version of python and apache I'm using
> (usually latest stable builds).

Thanks for pointing that out again. I have been slowly going through
the recent half dozen discussion threads about mod_wsgi on Windows
with Python 2.6 and hadn't got to that one. Also didn't realise there
was a mod_wsgi binary included in that zip file.

One question I have. Where it says needs 'VC++ 2008 Express/SP1/hot
fixes', does that mean I only need the free version downloaded from:

http://www.microsoft.com/Express/

I am trying to get a vmware image of Windows up and running with
required software and using scripts people have got working, just
build the binaries myself in future and stick them up for download.

Because I cant get VS 2003, I would only be targeting Python 2.6 and
Python 3.0. Also would only bother with Apache 2.2 as well. Thus, is
it reasonable that would only provide binaries for:

Apache 2.2 / Python 2.6
Apache 2.2 / Python 3.0 (mod_wsgi 3.0+ only)

Graham

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Correct, you only need the free VC++ 2008 Express/SP1. I agree with
your choice of apache/python versions to support.

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