some people can juggle a zillion thoughts at once...
$Zero
but most people cannot.
those who cannot have no concept at all of what it's like to be able
to do so.
no concept at all of the sheer joy of it.
instead, because most people have a very limited capacity for multi-
tasking and/or making creative leaps of understanding, they view those
who can juggle a zillion thoughts at once as "crazy" or "stupid".
you've all seen the occasional genius at a coffee shop table talking
to a virtual moron seated across from him or her.
the moron goes on and on while the genius sits there rubbing his or
her forehead while staring into the moron's vacant eyes and massive
chin-wagging.
at such a time, the genius is either amusingly thinking about other
stuff, nursing a minor headache, or is playfully considering how he or
she might be able to explain to the moron why the moron is being such
a moron.
takes a sip of coffee and we fade to EXTERIOR, DAY.
genius takes a nice healthy walk and marvels at the sky and grass and
people and whatnot.
moron gets into big expensive car and zooms away to meet up w/ other
morons.
-$Zero...
there have been times when i thought i could not...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/8b561a9b4fdcc28c
Grand Mal
"$Zero" <zero...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> some people can juggle a zillion thoughts at once...
>
> but most people cannot.
Well, there's thoughts and then there's thoughts, ya know?
This one here, that you're working on now, can probably fit into the back
seat with a whole bunch of others like it.
>
> those who cannot have no concept at all of what it's like to be able
> to do so.
>
> no concept at all of the sheer joy of it.
>
> instead, because most people have a very limited capacity for multi-
> tasking and/or making creative leaps of understanding, they view those
> who can juggle a zillion thoughts at once as "crazy" or "stupid".
"Lately I've been feeling stretched, like butter that's spread over too much
bread."
-Bilbo Baggins-
$Zero
> "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:669489a2-abf5-498f...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > some people can juggle a zillion thoughts at once...
>
> > but most people cannot.
>
> Well, there's thoughts and then there's thoughts, ya know?
no, do tell.
> This one here, that you're working on now, can probably fit into
> the back seat with a whole bunch of others like it.
which one?
the one you're reading now or the one where i show Mark the door to
the rabbit hole?
that one would consider the possible removal
of their brainwashes as "a crisis" is more
telling than any other possible thing.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/5156041d5294582b
> > those who cannot have no concept at all of what it's like to be able
> > to do so.
>
> > no concept at all of the sheer joy of it.
>
> > instead, because most people have a very limited capacity for multi-
> > tasking and/or making creative leaps of understanding, they view those
> > who can juggle a zillion thoughts at once as "crazy" or "stupid".
>
> "Lately I've been feeling stretched, like butter that's spread over
> too much bread."
> -Bilbo Baggins-
bread and butter
butter and bread
eat too much of either
and you're better off dead
> > you've all seen the occasional genius at a coffee shop table talking
> > to a virtual moron seated across from him or her.
>
> > the moron goes on and on while the genius sits there rubbing his or
> > her forehead while staring into the moron's vacant eyes and massive
> > chin-wagging.
>
> > at such a time, the genius is either amusingly thinking about other
> > stuff, nursing a minor headache, or is playfully considering how he or
> > she might be able to explain to the moron why the moron is being such
> > a moron.
>
> > takes a sip of coffee and we fade to EXTERIOR, DAY.
>
> > genius takes a nice healthy walk and marvels at the sky and grass and
> > people and whatnot.
>
> > moron gets into big expensive car and zooms away to meet up w/ other
> > morons.
>
> > -$Zero...
>
> > there have been times when i thought i could not...
> > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/8b561a9b4fdcc28c
-$Zero...
but one who has true self-esteem needs no cash
for validation purposes, so... party on, Garth!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/5156041d5294582b
Mark
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sin of self-love possesseth all mine eye
And all my soul and all my every part;
And for this sin there is no remedy,
It is so grounded inward in my heart.
Methinks no face so gracious is as mine,
No shape so true, no truth of such account;
And for myself mine own worth do define,
As I all other in all worths surmount.
But when my glass shows me myself indeed,
Beated and chopp'd with tann'd antiquity,
Mine own self-love quite contrary I read;
Self so self-loving were iniquity.
'Tis thee, myself, that for myself I praise,
Painting my age with beauty of thy days.
(Sonnet 62, William Shakespeare)
$Zero
> On Nov 21, 10:57 am, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 10:19 am, "Grand Mal" <ironw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Sin of self-love possesseth all mine eye
> And all my soul and all my every part;
> And for this sin there is no remedy,
> It is so grounded inward in my heart.
> Methinks no face so gracious is as mine,
> No shape so true, no truth of such account;
> And for myself mine own worth do define,
> As I all other in all worths surmount.
> But when my glass shows me myself indeed,
> Beated and chopp'd with tann'd antiquity,
> Mine own self-love quite contrary I read;
> Self so self-loving were iniquity.
> 'Tis thee, myself, that for myself I praise,
> Painting my age with beauty of thy days.
>
> (Sonnet 62, William Shakespeare)
Dude, i'm not the one who named an Art Academy after myself.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/a67b2dedbb462dcd
-$Zero...
yet another pertinent question that Mark avoids answering:
> All these pieces were commissioned before they were started,
> and they represent thousands of dollars in revenue.
> They were all done by the same artist. Me.
got jpegs?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/a67b2dedbb462dcd
john.ku...@sympatico.ca
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Sin of self-love possesseth all mine eye
> And all my soul and all my every part;
> And for this sin there is no remedy,
> It is so grounded inward in my heart.
> Methinks no face so gracious is as mine,
> No shape so true, no truth of such account;
> And for myself mine own worth do define,
> As I all other in all worths surmount.
> But when my glass shows me myself indeed,
> Beated and chopp'd with tann'd antiquity,
> Mine own self-love quite contrary I read;
> Self so self-loving were iniquity.
> 'Tis thee, myself, that for myself I praise,
> Painting my age with beauty of thy days.
>
> (Sonnet 62, William Shakespeare)
So do you think Willy was doing the "hand jive" before or after he
wrote this?
Mark
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Sin of self-love possesseth all mine eye
> > And all my soul and all my every part;
> > And for this sin there is no remedy,
> > It is so grounded inward in my heart.
> > Methinks no face so gracious is as mine,
> > No shape so true, no truth of such account;
> > And for myself mine own worth do define,
> > As I all other in all worths surmount.
> > But when my glass shows me myself indeed,
> > Beated and chopp'd with tann'd antiquity,
> > Mine own self-love quite contrary I read;
> > Self so self-loving were iniquity.
> > 'Tis thee, myself, that for myself I praise,
> > Painting my age with beauty of thy days.
>
> > (Sonnet 62, William Shakespeare)
>
> Dude, i'm not the one who named an Art Academy after myself.
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/a67b2dedbb462dcd
Having an old English last name which reeks
of distinction, and seeing as how my wife who
ran the daily operations had the same name,
and as it was my brainchild, and as most
businesses do the same thing, some with
wierd names, like...fartsky's plumbing,
well, it wasn't out of order.
> -$Zero...
>
> yet another pertinent question that Mark avoids answering:
>
> > All these pieces were commissioned before they were started,
> > and they represent thousands of dollars in revenue.
> > They were all done by the same artist. Me.
>
> got jpegs?
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/a67b2dedbb462dcd-
Interesting, I never went back to that thread after my
last submittion. So, what. you inquired about J pegs?
How would I put them on the internet, and still prevent
anyone from stealing the art and making their own
copies.
Thanks,
Dr. Mark
Mark
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Sin of self-love possesseth all mine eye
> > And all my soul and all my every part;
> > And for this sin there is no remedy,
> > It is so grounded inward in my heart.
> > Methinks no face so gracious is as mine,
> > No shape so true, no truth of such account;
> > And for myself mine own worth do define,
> > As I all other in all worths surmount.
> > But when my glass shows me myself indeed,
> > Beated and chopp'd with tann'd antiquity,
> > Mine own self-love quite contrary I read;
> > Self so self-loving were iniquity.
> > 'Tis thee, myself, that for myself I praise,
> > Painting my age with beauty of thy days.
>
> > (Sonnet 62, William Shakespeare)
>
> So do you think Willy was doing the "hand jive" before or after he
>
> - Show quoted text -
Both
$Zero
> > > And all my soul and all my every part;
> > > And for this sin there is no remedy,
> > > It is so grounded inward in my heart.
> > > Methinks no face so gracious is as mine,
> > > No shape so true, no truth of such account;
> > > And for myself mine own worth do define,
> > > As I all other in all worths surmount.
> > > But when my glass shows me myself indeed,
> > > Beated and chopp'd with tann'd antiquity,
> > > Mine own self-love quite contrary I read;
> > > Self so self-loving were iniquity.
> > > 'Tis thee, myself, that for myself I praise,
> > > Painting my age with beauty of thy days.
>
> > > (Sonnet 62, William Shakespeare)
>
> > Dude, i'm not the one who named an Art Academy after myself.
> > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/a67b2dedbb462dcd
and finally, after many taunts which left him totally speechless on
this very matter, finally, here comes Mark's very telling
"explanation":
> Having an old English last name which reeks
> of distinction, and seeing as how my wife who
> ran the daily operations had the same name,
> and as it was my brainchild, and as most
> businesses do the same thing, some with
> wierd names, like...fartsky's plumbing,
>
> well, it wasn't out of order.
methinks you would have been much better off just ignoring all those
taunts like you have been for several days.
> > -$Zero...
>
> > yet another pertinent question that Mark avoids answering:
>
> > > All these pieces were commissioned before they were started,
> > > and they represent thousands of dollars in revenue.
> > > They were all done by the same artist. Me.
>
> > got jpegs?
> > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/a67b2dedbb462dcd-
>
> Interesting, I never went back to that thread after my
> last submittion.
show of hands of those who believe this typo?
> So, what. you inquired about J pegs?
yep.
> How would I put them on the internet, and still prevent
> anyone from stealing the art and making their own
> copies.
but your wall is _covered_ with them, no?
and you have the original back-ups all "safe and securely stored".
and you're wealthy so you can sue infringers...
so...
um, nevermind.
everyone else can do the math, even if you cannot.
> Thanks,
> Dr. Mark
you're welcome.
and again, no charge.
it's just part of my "mission".
although, donations cheerfully accepted here:
-$Zero...
takes a sip of coffee and we fade to EXTERIOR, DAY.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/f3e2399b085ade86
Piet de Arcilla
> > So do you think Willy was doing the "hand jive" before or after he
> > wrote this?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Both
When someone persists in a theme regardless of external context, the
likely explanation seems to me is that they are fighting an internal
voice which says otherwise.
So I don't think a "narcissist" is someone who thinks highly of
themselves. I think it's someone who has delusions of inferiority. And
therefore it's cruel and unfair to tell them the inner voice is right
just for fun. It's like kicking a cripple, and also telling them a
lie.
Not everyone who has poor self-esteem is considered a narcissist; only
the most annoying ones. The label serves the social purpose of blaming
the victim of a mental illness so as to remove any feelings of
responsibility from others.
Mark
> On Nov 21, 11:33 am, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > So do you think Willy was doing the "hand jive" before or after he
> > > wrote this?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Both
>
> When someone persists in a theme regardless of external context, the
> likely explanation seems to me is that they are fighting an internal
> voice which says otherwise.
Yes, that's a given.
> So I don't think a "narcissist" is someone who thinks highly of
> themselves. I think it's someone who has delusions of inferiority.
It's not your opinion. That in itself is the definition of narcissism.
>And
> therefore it's cruel and unfair to tell them the inner voice is right
> just for fun.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
The narcissist is a manipulator, a psychopath. He lives
to victimize others to his pleasure, and feels no empathy.
Being obnoxious and a braggart is sport to him, and to
hell with whoever reads or hears their bullshit. They don't
hear that inner voice, because their social conscious for
all intents and purposes doesn't exist.
> It's like kicking a cripple, and also telling them a
> lie.
No, it's like steering a car back on the road, even
if it's gonna crash later, you save anyone on the
sidewalk you can for now.
> Not everyone who has poor self-esteem is considered a narcissist;
Well of course not. No one thinks that. People with
poor self esteem should be lifted up by others who
are able to help.
>only the most annoying ones.
No, there are plenty of people with poor self
esteem who are annoying, but aren't narcissistic.
They usually never miss a chance to tell you
how inferior they are, and how they can't do
this or that, and it takes a long time to bring them
out of it, and show them they can succeed if
they try hard enough.
>The label serves the social purpose of blaming
> the victim of a mental illness so as to remove any feelings of
> responsibility from others.
That's not right. It isn't a "label". It's a proper
classification which defines the entity that
meets the scientific criteria to fit in that
category.
Personally, I could care less who's what. It's
only a mildly interesting area of observation for
me. I just happened to have memorized most
of what I read about it, and then for years afterwards
became able to spot these things. It served to
help someone I know whose life fell apart, and
his wife left him. Everyone knew he was an asshole
but him. I was able to break it to him gently, and
help him get on with his life.
---
Mark
Piet de Arcilla
> That's not right. It isn't a "label". It's a proper
> classification which defines the entity that
> meets the scientific criteria to fit in that
> category.
The only criteria for applying the label is not a scientific one; it's
a utilitarian decision to declare that someone is not sympathetic.
When you declare that someone is without empathy, you are
simultaneously declaring that _you_ have no empathy for them. However,
if you have no empathy for them, how can you tell if they have empathy
for anyone?
Piet de Arcilla
People are motivated by pain, pleasure, fear, and anticipation. You
may assume someone is without empathy, but it is only an assumption
that they are not in fact consumed with one of the four above
motivators which can override empathy in _any_ person.
Mark
With regard to these things, snap decisions
are not possible anyway. There are ways to
make accurate determinatons, but it's a
fact that the narcissist is without empathy.
It's impossible for him, just as a hardened
sociopath cannot feel conscience. That's
just a specific personality "quirk".
Other mental processes will work seperate
and within another "dimension", often
unaffected and normal.
---
Mark
Piet de Arcilla
You can't have direct knowledge of whether someone feels empathy.
Therefore saying someone lacks empathy for others is _exactly_ the
same thing as saying _you_ lack empathy for _them_. No more and no
less.
Mark
> You can't have direct knowledge of whether someone feels empathy.
There are ways. You don't have to take my
word for it.
> Therefore saying someone lacks empathy for others is _exactly_ the
> same thing as saying _you_ lack empathy for _them_. No more and no
> less.-
Nonsense. Why would the inquisitor
or observer suddenly be stricken with
this disorder simply by the basis that
they've diagnosed a patient?
That's like saying if a doctor determines
a serial killer is a psychopath, then by
that recognition, now, suddenly they
too are a psychopath.
---
Mark