Barack Obama -- 21st Century Gandhi
$Zero
it's the day before he gets sworn in as leader of the free world and
the guy is out there painting the fricken' walls.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/19/obama-honors-king-with-co_n_159022.html
it's definitely turning out to be change that you can believe in.
because the change is in you.
-$Zero...
WRITERS POLL -- Obama's Inauguration Speech
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/206017e4dc254ed6
Skipper
<9a8529e0-b742-4f1d...@r28g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
$Zero <zero...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Barack Obama -- 21st Century Gandhi
>
> it's the day before he gets sworn in as leader of the free world and
> the guy is out there painting the fricken' walls.
>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/19/obama-honors-king-with-co_n_159022.ht
> ml
>
> it's definitely turning out to be change that you can believe in.
>
> because the change is in you.
>
>
> -$Zero...
But the real question is, does he drink his own pee?
Bill Penrose
> But the real question is, does he drink his own pee?
No, he's not Republican. He's not into little boys either.
DB
john.ku...@sympatico.ca
> Barack Obama -- 21st Century Gandhi
>
> it's the day before he gets sworn in as leader of the free world and
> the guy is out there painting the fricken' walls.
>
>
> it's definitely turning out to be change that you can believe in.
>
> because the change is in you.
>
> -$Zero...
>
> http://ImproveSomething.com
>
> http://YouHaveFreeWill.com
>
> WRITERS POLL -- Obama's Inauguration Speech
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/206017e4dc254ed6
You know I look at him and I see a man who comes to eat with Americans
at America's table where he sits in the middle and not at the head.
With GWB, he always seemed detached from real people, even when 9/11
happened.
Clinton was closer to the the people than B1 was.
I'm not sure what B1's problem was but again there was this almost
"class distiction" feeling of detachment.
Skipper
<43962595-96e2-476a...@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Bill Penrose <danger...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gandhi drank his own pee, Dumb Bill. Don't be a hater now. You can do
it. Start with 30 seconds and see if you can stop seething for that
long, then extend, extend...
$Zero
> Bill Penrose <dangerousb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 3:08 pm, Skipper <skipSPAMpr...@yahoo.not> wrote:
>
> > > But the real question is, does he drink his own pee?
>
> > No, he's not Republican. He's not into little boys either.
>
speaking of pollution, Skipper arrives!
oh wait, no one was talking about pollution before Skippy arrived in
this thread.
they were talking about a great leader (so far) who, on the eve of his
inauguration to the most powerful office in the world, instead of
basking in his ego, was out painting walls in homeless teen shelters
and visiting wounded soldiers in the hospital, stressing taking
personal responsibility for making things better in the world.
so it's no wonder that all Skippy could think of to add was that he
believed Gandhi to drink his own pee, an apparent desperate attempt to
denigrate yet another wise, decent, and peaceful man.
go figure.
> Don't be a hater now. You can do it.
> Start with 30 seconds and see if you
> can stop seething for that
> long, then extend, extend...
yeah.
nice apt description of Bill Penrose, FFS.
and right on target, i'll bet.
Bill's probably besides himself right now with major humiliation for
being so transparent about being such a stupid pointless hater.
-$Zero...
POLL -- How do you plan to change for the better?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/f167803036545bec
Bill Penrose
> Gandhi drank his own pee, Dumb Bill.
I remember that question from my IQ test. I blew that one.
DB
boots
>Barack Obama -- 21st Century Gandhi
I remember the early 1960s. Not in great detail maybe, I was a kid.
I remember that "we" put a lot of hope into JFK.
I remember that "they" blew his head apart. Then came VietNam.
It would be wonderful if Obama as President found himself in a
position to nurture forth some actual positive change.
I for one am going to try really really hard not to put too much hope
into the idea of its actually happening.
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"boots" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
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How much is 'too much'?
And how did it happen that hope and optimism are not to be trusted?
Mark
Trick question. Who'd a thunk?
I heard he put a tea bag in it and called it...
"Nestle's Ice pee". But no lemon. That would be nasty.
---
Mark
Alan Hope
>In article
><9a8529e0-b742-4f1d...@r28g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
>$Zero <zero...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Barack Obama -- 21st Century Gandhi
>> it's the day before he gets sworn in as leader of the free world and
>> the guy is out there painting the fricken' walls.
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/19/obama-honors-king-with-co_n_159022.ht
>> ml
>> it's definitely turning out to be change that you can believe in.
>> because the change is in you.
>But the real question is, does he drink his own pee?
Another fool walks into the trap.
Gandhi didn't drink his own pee, Skippy. I would have thought someone
like you with wacky crackpot beliefs would have more respect for other
people's crackpot beliefs. Not Gandhi's, that is, but Nehru's.
Obviously not. Clearly, being a Scientologist, you think everyone
believes nutcase stuff all the time.
Not in this case.
john.ku...@sympatico.ca
> Skipper goes:
>
> >In article
> ><9a8529e0-b742-4f1d-bb79-78cd5c110...@r28g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
> >$Zero <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Barack Obama -- 21st Century Gandhi
> >> it's the day before he gets sworn in as leader of the free world and
> >> the guy is out there painting the fricken' walls.
> >> ml
> >> it's definitely turning out to be change that you can believe in.
> >> because the change is in you.
> >But the real question is, does he drink his own pee?
>
> Another fool walks into the trap.
>
> Gandhi didn't drink his own pee, Skippy. I would have thought someone
> like you with wacky crackpot beliefs would have more respect for other
> people's crackpot beliefs. Not Gandhi's, that is, but Nehru's.
>
> Obviously not. Clearly, being a Scientologist, you think everyone
> believes nutcase stuff all the time.
>
> Not in this case.
>
> --
> AHhttp://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
I can see Skipper in his loin cloth with his cape draped over his
shoulders spinning cotton thread.......
Alan Hope
He's never done anything so useful.
boots
>
>"boots" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
>news:lg8bn4h36vnbl0mhm...@4ax.com...
>> "$Zero" <zero...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Barack Obama -- 21st Century Gandhi
>>
>> I remember the early 1960s. Not in great detail maybe, I was a kid.
>>
>> I remember that "we" put a lot of hope into JFK.
>>
>> I remember that "they" blew his head apart. Then came VietNam.
>>
>> It would be wonderful if Obama as President found himself in a
>> position to nurture forth some actual positive change.
>>
>> I for one am going to try really really hard not to put too much hope
>> into the idea of its actually happening.
>
>How much is 'too much'?
Never know until after innit.
>And how did it happen that hope and optimism are not to be trusted?
When did it become clear to you that they are not?
Merle Finch
"Alan Hope" <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:od3cn4pon26l130q8...@4ax.com...
> Skipper goes:
>
>>In article
>><9a8529e0-b742-4f1d...@r28g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
>>$Zero <zero...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Barack Obama -- 21st Century Gandhi
>
>>> it's the day before he gets sworn in as leader of the free world and
>>> the guy is out there painting the fricken' walls.
>
>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/19/obama-honors-king-with-co_n_159022.ht
>>> ml
>
>>> it's definitely turning out to be change that you can believe in.
>
>>> because the change is in you.
>
>>But the real question is, does he drink his own pee?
>
> Another fool walks into the trap.
>
> Gandhi didn't drink his own pee, Skippy. I would have thought someone
> like you with wacky crackpot beliefs would have more respect for other
> people's crackpot beliefs. Not Gandhi's, that is, but Nehru's.
Actually, some Indian beliefs are based on drinking one's own urine as a
preventive health measure. Ghandi was reputed to have been a believer in
this and supposedly drank his own urine. FWIW, Idi Amin also drank his own
urine, but I don't think it was for religious reasons.
Skipper
<merle...@sas.com> wrote:
> "Alan Hope" <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:od3cn4pon26l130q8...@4ax.com...
> > Skipper goes:
> >
> >>In article
> >><9a8529e0-b742-4f1d...@r28g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
> >>$Zero <zero...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Barack Obama -- 21st Century Gandhi
> >
> >>> it's the day before he gets sworn in as leader of the free world and
> >>> the guy is out there painting the fricken' walls.
> >
> >>>
> >>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/19/obama-honors-king-with-co_n_15902
> >>> 2.ht
> >>> ml
> >
> >>> it's definitely turning out to be change that you can believe in.
> >
> >>> because the change is in you.
> >
> >>But the real question is, does he drink his own pee?
> >
> > Another fool walks into the trap.
> >
> > Gandhi didn't drink his own pee, Skippy. I would have thought someone
> > like you with wacky crackpot beliefs would have more respect for other
> > people's crackpot beliefs. Not Gandhi's, that is, but Nehru's.
>
> Actually, some Indian beliefs are based on drinking one's own urine as a
> preventive health measure. Ghandi was reputed to have been a believer in
> this and supposedly drank his own urine. FWIW, Idi Amin also drank his own
> urine, but I don't think it was for religious reasons.
>
Damn. You have taken the hope away from Hopeless. How chilling. LOL
Towse
Well, no. Do you believe everything you read on the intertubes? Morarji
Desai drank his own urine.
Gandhi did not.
So easy for folks to get people mixed up, eh? Research is your friend.
This has been discussed before ad nauseam less than a year ago.
Gandhi goes on and on (and ON and ON) about the minutiae of his life in
his autobiography. He hands out advice on health issues, details his
fruitarian diet, and whether or not one should drink milk. Describes his
vow of abstinence and how his wife reacted.
<http://www.mkgandhi.org/autobio/chap62.htm>
In his autobiography he neither says he drinks urine nor suggests that
others do so.
If anyone thinks Gandhi might've just skipped that detail, feel free to
read all 500+ pages and judge for yourself.
<http://www.mkgandhi.org/autobio/autobio.htm>
Or go into Google Books and search for passages concerning urine, if
that's what interests you.
<http://books.google.com/books?id=rNXCuWx-9soC>
--
Sal
Ye olde swarm of links: thousands of links for writers, researchers and
the terminally curious <http://writers.internet-resources.com>
John Ashby
"Towse" <se...@towse.com> wrote in message
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Sal, you just don't understand how this proof thing works, do you? If Gandhi
didn't say in his autobiography that he didn't drink urine, then that proves
he did, doesn't it?
john
serenebabe
<...>
> Well, no. Do you believe everything you read on the intertubes? Morarji
> Desai drank his own urine.
>
> Gandhi did not.
>
> So easy for folks to get people mixed up, eh? Research is your friend.
>
> This has been discussed before ad nauseam less than a year ago.
>
> Gandhi goes on and on (and ON and ON) about the minutiae of his life in
> his autobiography. He hands out advice on health issues, details his
> fruitarian diet, and whether or not one should drink milk. Describes
> his vow of abstinence and how his wife reacted.
>
> <http://www.mkgandhi.org/autobio/chap62.htm>
<...>
It doesn't say it here, and maybe this is just something I picked up
from the movie (??), but didn't Gandhi sleep with naked young women
regularly? Not have sex with, but sleep with? I didn't think of this
until you mentioned his vow of abstinence.
When I google it, I get a lot of stuff like this:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2521/did-mahatma-gandhi-sleep-with-virgins
though I didn't see anything immediately that I would consider a
reliable resource.
No matter. It's not that important.
--
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http://www.serenebabe.net/ - new 1/14
"A Woman's Right to Kill Her Baby"
boots
You must have felt some need to sound silly, John.
If Ghandi's autobiography doesn't mention his having drunk his own
urine that does not in any way *prove* that he did not, it simply
makes it easy and reasonable to believe he did not. Easy and
reasonable do not make a thing true any more than easily obtainable
credit cards make you wealthy, you still have to pay the debt of
proof.
I get that you were being sarcastic, but it isn't clear to me why you
felt that might be a good thing to do.
$Zero
> "John Ashby" <johnashb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >"Towse" <s...@towse.com> wrote in message
> >news:gl9619$qvp$1...@news.motzarella.org...
> >> Skipper wrote:
> >>> Merle Finch <merle.fi...@sas.com> wrote:
> >>>> "Alan Hope" <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> Skipper goes:
maybe he just doesn't realize how silly he looks.
> If Ghandi's autobiography doesn't mention his having drunk his own
> urine that does not in any way *prove* that he did not, it simply
> makes it easy and reasonable to believe he did not.
not to mention the fact that even if Gandhi had written in his
autobiography that he definitely did not drink his own urine, the
writing of that would not be any kind of definitive proof that he did
not do so.
duh.
but see, these paper-trail peeps don't use their full minds when they
evaluate the truth of their "proof".
> Easy and reasonable do not make a thing true any more
> than easily obtainable credit cards make you wealthy,
> you still have to pay the debt of proof.
well, easily obtained credit makes it a lot easier for one to be able
to intelligently leverage those funds and _become_ wealthy, thus
making paying that debt of proof off a lot easier than if they didn't
have those funds to work with.
assuming they use those funds wisely, of course.
> I get that you were being sarcastic, but it isn't clear
> to me why you felt that might be a good thing to do.
i think he's a bit off his game, still trying to recover from not
being able to reconcile how silly it is to rely on paper trails for
proof after i presented him with such sound arguments regarding the
historical evidence for the existence of the man Jesus in the first
century.
-$Zero...
in fact, you cannot even say it at all, since today's
date is clearly based on the historicity of Jesus.
that's its very nature. you can try to claim that it's
in error, but you cannot deny that it was historically
established to mark the date of the approximate birth
of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/00522ba56ddea925
Whenever two or more people gather in
the spirit of love, it's a bickerfest!
http://bickerfest.com
$Zero
> On Jan 22, 6:24 am, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:
> > "John Ashby" <johnashb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >"Towse" <s...@towse.com> wrote in message
> > >news:gl9619$qvp$1...@news.motzarella.org...
> > >> Skipper wrote:
> > >>> Merle Finch <merle.fi...@sas.com> wrote:
> > >>>> "Alan Hope" <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>> Skipper goes:
> > >>>>>> $Zero <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>> Barack Obama -- 21st Century Gandhi
>
> > >>>>>>> it's the day before he gets sworn in as leader of the free world and
> > >>>>>>> the guy is out there painting the fricken' walls.
>
oops, i forgot to put the word wealthy in quotes.
(in the spirit of keeping with your slightly flawed analogy).
Skipper
Ashby <johna...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Rosie Towse has no life other than her computer. But, she can find
anything on the Internet to prove anything, particularly if she thinks
she's proving something to someone who realizes what a political idiot
she is, and says so.
I believe I said "supposedly" but it's irrelevant. It was just an
offhand remark, not the final draft of the Encyclopedia Brittanica.
John Ashby
> "John Ashby" <johna...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Towse" <se...@towse.com> wrote in message
>>news:gl9619$qvp$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>>> his autobiography. He hands out advice on health issues, details his
>>> fruitarian diet, and whether or not one should drink milk. Describes his
>>> vow of abstinence and how his wife reacted.
>>>
>>> <http://www.mkgandhi.org/autobio/chap62.htm>
>>>
>>> In his autobiography he neither says he drinks urine nor suggests that
>>> others do so.
>>>
>>
>>Sal, you just don't understand how this proof thing works, do you? If
>>Gandhi
>>didn't say in his autobiography that he didn't drink urine, then that
>>proves
>>he did, doesn't it?
>>
>>john
>
> You must have felt some need to sound silly, John.
>
> If Ghandi's autobiography doesn't mention his having drunk his own
> urine that does not in any way *prove* that he did not, it simply
> makes it easy and reasonable to believe he did not. Easy and
> reasonable do not make a thing true any more than easily obtainable
> credit cards make you wealthy, you still have to pay the debt of
> proof.
You missed the bit that Gandhi did not hold back on, as Sal says, the
minutiae of his life.
> I get that you were being sarcastic, but it isn't clear to me why you
> felt that might be a good thing to do.
Because there is an awful lot of twaddle being talked in the group about
proof, and I hoped to make people think about their twaddle.
john
Jackson Pillock
> In article <ju6dnQg8YLFVg-XUnZ2dnUVZ8rqdn...@brightview.com>, John
>
>
>
>
>
> Ashby <johnashb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Towse" <s...@towse.com> wrote in message
> >news:gl9619$qvp$1...@news.motzarella.org...
> > > Skipper wrote:
> > >> In article <gl7an0$r...@foggy.unx.sas.com>, Merle Finch
> > >> <merle.fi...@sas.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> "Alan Hope" <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>>news:od3cn4pon26l130q8...@4ax.com...
> > >>>> Skipper goes:
>
> > >>>>> In article
What you said was, "Gandhi drank his own pee, Dumb Bill. Don't be a
hater now. You can do
it. Start with 30 seconds and see if you can stop seething for that
long, then extend, extend..."
I agree that it was irrelevant. Like your anger-management coaching,
however.
$Zero
> Skipper <skipSPAMpr...@yahoo.not> wrote:
> > John Ashby <johnashb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > "Towse" <s...@towse.com> wrote
> > > >> Merle Finch <merle.fi...@sas.com> wrote:
> > > >>> "Alan Hope" <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> hater now. You can do it. Start with 30 seconds and see if you can
> stop seething for that long, then extend, extend..."
>
> I agree that it was irrelevant. Like your anger-management coaching,
> however.
Skippy has no evidence that Gandhi actually drank his pee.
this makes him very angry.
so, in his mind, the fact that some Indians _do_ drink their pee is
enough for him to lie about Gandhi, because Gandhi (and Obama)
represent everything that Skipper is pissed about.
it's the Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity/Ann Coulter/Sarah Palin mindset at
work.
truth is definitely not their friend.
so they have to pal around with distortions.
distortions meant to cause disgust and/or hatred.
they reap what they sow.
-$Zero...
some people have no respect.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/14df8a1cc718371e
boots
You missed the bit where I said that makes it easy to believe, and
reasonable to believe, but it does not prove it.
>> I get that you were being sarcastic, but it isn't clear to me why you
>> felt that might be a good thing to do.
>
>Because there is an awful lot of twaddle being talked in the group about
>proof, and I hoped to make people think about their twaddle.
And I you yours.
$Zero
actually, my point would've been much better made if i had said:
not to mention the fact that even if Gandhi had written in his
autobiography that he definitely DID drink his own urine, the writing
of that would not be any kind of definitive proof that he actually did
drank his own piss.
duh.
-$Zero...
real as in "there's credible historical evidence for".
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/d6ff3a2917c801a1
Because there's not much of a market for truth
http://PureBullshitTimes.com
Alan Hope
>If Ghandi's autobiography doesn't mention his having drunk his own
>urine that does not in any way *prove* that he did not, it simply
>makes it easy and reasonable to believe he did not.
Why on earth would anyone imagine he did?
Alan Hope
>I believe I said "supposedly" but it's irrelevant. It was just an
>offhand remark, not the final draft of the Encyclopedia Brittanica.
Chickenshit.
Skipper
<e5aeb3ee-b436-4a24...@k8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
$Zero <zero...@gmail.com> wrote:
> actually, my point would've been much better made if i had said:
>
> not to mention the fact that even if Gandhi had written in his
> autobiography that he definitely DID drink his own urine, the writing
> of that would not be any kind of definitive proof that he actually did
> drank his own piss.
>
> duh.
I just want to know if Barack Obama drinks his own piss. We've gotten
off subject here.
$Zero
>
> $Zero <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > actually, my point would've been much better made if i had said:
>
> > not to mention the fact that even if Gandhi had written in his
> > autobiography that he definitely DID drink his own urine, the writing
> > of that would not be any kind of definitive proof that he actually did
>
> > duh.
>
> I just want to know if Barack Obama drinks his own piss.
that's certainly not lost on anyone.
we all know why you "want to know" that.
> We've gotten off subject here.
the subject wasn't your crappy sense of humor nor your obsessive
hatreds.
those are settled matters.
there are only three themes of relative import being discussed here:
1. Obama's great leadership so far.
2. Gandhi's great leadership.
3. what qualifies as proof of an historical assertion.
everything else was just pointless dribble.
-$Zero...
which is one of the many reasons why it's definitely not you.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/0bc024560ee8d18e
Skipper
wank you constantly have in your hand.
In article
<73f53fbc-518c-4f21...@q9g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
$Zero
> That "pointless dribble" you're seeing is the bloody discharge from the
> wank you constantly have in your hand.
see also the "settled matters" as it relates to your posts discussed
below, you top-posting clown.
-$Zero...
Skipper
In article
<5413de5b-5298-413b...@j38g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
boots
>boots goes:
>
>>If Ghandi's autobiography doesn't mention his having drunk his own
>>urine that does not in any way *prove* that he did not, it simply
>>makes it easy and reasonable to believe he did not.
>
>Why on earth would anyone imagine he did?
Hey, all those guru types are into weird shit, that's common knowledge
right?
Mark
>
> Hey, all those guru types are into weird shit, that's common knowledge
> right?
>
> --
hippies, pinko's.