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$Zero

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Jul 9, 2008, 1:18:27 PM7/9/08
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the return of the horse and buggy

when gas reached four dollars a gallon, a few entrepreneurs got
together and did some math.

then they redesigned the buggy using modern materials.

and voila!

then they modified some of the buggies to allow for man-power as well.

and quicker than you can say fuck you, the world changed for the
better.


-$Zero...

An Essay About Love
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/7a3191bbb8827bc4

PJ

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Jul 9, 2008, 1:41:53 PM7/9/08
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$Zero wrote:
> the return of the horse and buggy
>
> when gas reached four dollars a gallon, a few entrepreneurs got
> together and did some math.
>
> then they redesigned the buggy using modern materials.
>
> and voila!
>
> then they modified some of the buggies to allow for man-power as well.
>
> and quicker than you can say fuck you, the world changed for the
> better.

When I was working at the festival as a Red-Hot-Mama Cart Driver, I
noticed something I'd never seen down there before: two-passenger cabs
being pulled by bicycles. How cool is that? The drivers were busy, too.

~ ~ ~
PJ

john.ku...@sympatico.ca

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Jul 9, 2008, 1:47:59 PM7/9/08
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The bicycle is the most efficient machine on earth.

$Zero

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Jul 9, 2008, 1:53:50 PM7/9/08
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On Jul 9, 1:47�pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"

until the steerable horsycle was invented.

(a few minutes ago).


-$Zero...

the return of the horse and buggy

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/371ff88c8c95d016

Bill Penrose

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Jul 9, 2008, 2:51:04 PM7/9/08
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On Jul 9, 10:47 am, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"

> The bicycle is the most efficient machine on earth.

I'm considering electrifying my bike. It's pretty hilly where I live,
but there's lots of bike paths. I'm kind of heavy, and past pedaling
up long 8% grades at 105 F. It'll cost me about $400, but it will
presumably give me a range of 15 miles (not counting elevation changes
up to 400 ft).

I'm trying to calculate how much it might save in gas costs vs the
cost of recharging. I have to make the financial case before the Board
of Governors will smile on it.

DB


john.ku...@sympatico.ca

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Jul 9, 2008, 3:26:13 PM7/9/08
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Well if you use a solar panel to charg it, it won't cost anything to
run it. All the costs are in the infrastructure. Also if you can use
regenerative breaking for going down the hills, that will cut costs
too.

Stan (the Man)

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Jul 9, 2008, 3:30:51 PM7/9/08
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PJ <autho...@gmail.com> wrote in
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Bicycle cabs have been around NYC for a long time. They ply the taxi
stands, looking for long lines and people who have dinner reservations
before a B'way show or who need to make an appointment. They tell you
exactly how long it will take to reach your destination. Daring maniacs.
It takes balls the size of watermelons to navigate midtown on a bike
while pulling two people. I haven't tried them, as they're a bunch of
thieves on the price, but it must be a nice way to get around.

--
Stan

$Zero

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Jul 9, 2008, 4:01:31 PM7/9/08
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On Jul 9, 3:30�pm, "Stan (the Man)" <newsNOS...@rvckids.us.NOSPAM>
wrote:
> PJ <authores...@gmail.com> wrote innews:UJGdncRKG8UdZenV...@comcast.com:

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=B2RqGbHLmA8

-$Zero...

if you were going to invent something, what would it be?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/591a53018fe187ad


PJ

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Jul 9, 2008, 4:01:50 PM7/9/08
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Stan (the Man) wrote:
> PJ <autho...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> $Zero wrote:

Speaking of "balls the size of watermelons," I always feel that way
about the bicycle delivery people in Chicago too. Holy moley, these guys
shoot in and out of bumper-to-bumper traffic like it's not even there.
But even if they cut in front of me and cause me to slam on my brakes, I
don't mind. I figure they deserve some slack just because of the risks
they take to do their jobs.

~ ~ ~
PJ

Stan (the Man)

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Jul 9, 2008, 4:05:11 PM7/9/08
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PJ <autho...@gmail.com> wrote in
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In NY we call them "targets."

--
Stan

john.ku...@sympatico.ca

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Jul 9, 2008, 4:10:31 PM7/9/08
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Phittt!

Donor cycle

As in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donor_cycle

$Zero

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Jul 9, 2008, 4:20:59 PM7/9/08
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On Jul 9, 4:01�pm, PJ <authores...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Stan (the Man) wrote:
> > PJ <authores...@gmail.com> wrote

all they need to do is lower the speed limit citywide.

BONUS: more traffic tickets for the cops to write up!

so it's a win-win for everyone.

yet another video of a Bike Taxi:

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=yK6jXTJiNDw

Bill Penrose

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Jul 9, 2008, 8:28:51 PM7/9/08
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On Jul 9, 12:26 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"

<john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Well if you use a solar panel to charg it, it won't cost anything to
> run it. All the costs are in the infrastructure.

This'll kill you...

Some years ago, we bought solar panels to power a data collection
device to be placed on top of volcanos. The solar cells charged
batteries that ran the machine hourly and burped the data by radio to
a remote station four times a day.

In the first field deployment, the solar panels were completely
covered with sulfur deposits within 24 hours. The output went to zero,
and the batteries ran down after three days.

We went to beefy sealed lead acid (because they worked in subzero
temps) to run for four weeks at a time.

I still have some of the solar panels, about 18 x 24 inches. I may be
able to put them to use.

DB


Bill Penrose

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Jul 9, 2008, 8:30:41 PM7/9/08
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On Jul 9, 10:18 am, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the return of the horse and buggy
> then they modified some of the buggies to allow for man-power as well.

Years ago, Mike Royko (chicago Tribune) suggested rickshaws powered by
yuppies. He said they're out there jogging all day anyway. Why not put
it to good use?

DB


Bill Penrose

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Jul 9, 2008, 8:32:53 PM7/9/08
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On Jul 9, 1:01 pm, PJ <authores...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Speaking of "balls the size of watermelons," I always feel that way
> about the bicycle delivery people in Chicago too. Holy moley, these guys
> shoot in and out of bumper-to-bumper traffic like it's not even there.

I've seen them. They're friggin insane. On occasion, they do
miscalculate.

DB

B--

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Jul 9, 2008, 9:28:16 PM7/9/08
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"PJ" <autho...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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They don't deserve slack when they seriously injure pedestrians racing
through cross walks. That has happened here more than a few times.

Of course, I don't like anyone who drives on the "I want and to hell
with anyone else" theory of locomotion.


--
B--

Reality is now a requirement on misc.writing? Shit. I didn't get the
memo. (PJ)


Bill Penrose

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Jul 9, 2008, 10:45:20 PM7/9/08
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On Jul 9, 6:28 pm, "B--" <rollandbet@thotmail(dot).com> wrote:
> Of course, I don't like anyone who drives on the "I want and to hell
> with anyone else" theory of locomotion.

You'd love it out here. The State has officially adopted a new
speeding- fines-as- taxation philosophy. Drivers caught speeding pay a
hefty fine, but no longer lose points and no one tells their insurance
companies. Arizona is planning to help bolster the State budget with
the fines. (Which will first have to pay off the hefty investment in
new robot photocops.)
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/related/246701

Dangerous Bill

Stan (the Man)

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Jul 9, 2008, 11:46:13 PM7/9/08
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"B--" <rollandbet@thotmail(dot).com> wrote in news:QAddk.3352$7%6.2696
@edtnps82:

Well, perhaps those pedestrians should slow down in the crosswalks.

<...>

--
Stan

boots

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Jul 10, 2008, 6:44:52 AM7/10/08
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"Koolc...@smurfsareus.xxx" <john.ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Pretty soon you'll have so much stuff bolted on that you won't be able
to budge it with the pedals.

--
Don't read this crap... oops, too late!

[superstitious heathen grade 8]

boots

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Jul 10, 2008, 6:48:18 AM7/10/08
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Bill Penrose <pen...@iit.edu> wrote:

>On Jul 9, 12:26 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
><john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Well if you use a solar panel to charg it, it won't cost anything to
>> run it. All the costs are in the infrastructure.
>
>This'll kill you...
>
>Some years ago, we bought solar panels to power a data collection
>device to be placed on top of volcanos. The solar cells charged
>batteries that ran the machine hourly and burped the data by radio to
>a remote station four times a day.
>
>In the first field deployment, the solar panels were completely
>covered with sulfur deposits within 24 hours. The output went to zero,
>and the batteries ran down after three days.
>
>We went to beefy sealed lead acid (because they worked in subzero
>temps) to run for four weeks at a time.

A twelve-volt gear-reduced windshield wiper motor puts out amazing
torque for the amount of power consumed.

>I still have some of the solar panels, about 18 x 24 inches. I may be
>able to put them to use.

How many watts? Let's talk price, you have the email. No, really.

boots

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Jul 10, 2008, 6:50:11 AM7/10/08
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Bill Penrose <pen...@iit.edu> wrote:

They seem usually to be operated by individuals who are below the age
of mortality.

john.ku...@sympatico.ca

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Jul 10, 2008, 6:59:06 AM7/10/08
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Don't even think about getting me started on the topic of bicycles on
the sidewalks. They need to be on the roads where they belong,
travelling with the traffic.

boots

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Jul 10, 2008, 7:37:15 AM7/10/08
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"Koolc...@smurfsareus.xxx" <john.ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

the roads three or four abreast slowing automobile traffic to a halt.

john.ku...@sympatico.ca

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Jul 10, 2008, 7:40:46 AM7/10/08
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I'll agree with you on that.

boots

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Jul 10, 2008, 7:50:53 AM7/10/08
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"Koolc...@smurfsareus.xxx" <john.ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

GAK!

Grand Mal

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Jul 10, 2008, 4:50:10 PM7/10/08
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"boots" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
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> Bill Penrose <pen...@iit.edu> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 9, 1:01 pm, PJ <authores...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of "balls the size of watermelons," I always feel that way
>>> about the bicycle delivery people in Chicago too. Holy moley, these guys
>>> shoot in and out of bumper-to-bumper traffic like it's not even there.
>>
>>I've seen them. They're friggin insane. On occasion, they do
>>miscalculate.
>>
>>DB
>
> They seem usually to be operated by individuals who are below the age
> of mortality.

The good ole days. I was immortal for awhile and I actually survived it.
I don't know if it's a function of greenhouse gases but gravity is much
stronger now than it was back then.


B--

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Jul 10, 2008, 10:32:12 PM7/10/08
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"Stan (the Man)" <newsN...@rvckids.us.NOSPAM> wrote in message
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> "B--" <rollandbet@thotmail(dot).com> wrote in
> news:QAddk.3352$7%6.2696
>>> Speaking of "balls the size of watermelons," I always feel that
>>> way
>>> about the bicycle delivery people in Chicago too. Holy moley,
>>> these
>>> guys shoot in and out of bumper-to-bumper traffic like it's not
>>> even
>>> there. But even if they cut in front of me and cause me to slam on
>>> my brakes, I don't mind. I figure they deserve some slack just
>>> because of the risks they take to do their jobs.
>>>
>>> ~ ~ ~
>>> PJ
>>
>> They don't deserve slack when they seriously injure pedestrians
>> racing
>> through cross walks. That has happened here more than a few times.
>
> Well, perhaps those pedestrians should slow down in the crosswalks.
>
> <...>
>
> --
> Stan
>

Got me square to rights, lack of a comma and/or placement of words,
sigh. In point of fact, usually the pedestrians can't move fast enough
to avoid the speeding bike couriers. Though I've seen some pretty
nifty moves save at least one pedestrian from being damaged.


--
B--

A life not spent in idle pursuit of unworthy goals is a life not worth
living. – Queen Chris.tine


boots

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Jul 11, 2008, 8:29:01 AM7/11/08
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"Grand Mal" <iron...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ditto, sort of. I suspect that I was not really immortal, just
incompetent at suicide. Certainly I should've died many times over.
Of course if I had, I'd have missed a lot of yummy suffering, which is
the only true preparation for an artist. Or some shit like that.

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