unjustifiable certainty vs faith.
$Zero
atheists suffer from the arrogant idiocy of their unjustifiable
certainty.
agnostics do not.
not to mention those who have faith.
because faith is the only certainty.
having faith in the truth.
after all, it's just "simple" logic.
-$Zero...
chuckling in the face of despair.
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john.ku...@sympatico.ca
Truth is truth. You don't need faith to accept proven truth. Its all a
matter of statistical samping.
$Zero
<john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 18, 8:24 am, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > unjustifiable certainty vs faith.
>
> > atheists suffer from the arrogant idiocy of their unjustifiable
> > certainty.
>
> > agnostics do not.
>
> > not to mention those who have faith.
>
> > because faith is the only certainty.
>
> > having faith in the truth.
>
> > after all, it's just "simple" logic.
>
> > -$Zero...
>
> > chuckling in the face of despair.
> > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/719d163300f08211
>
> Truth is truth.
yep.
and never shall it be anything other than truth.
> You don't need faith to accept proven truth.
truth requires no proof.
whatsoever.
the only thing you need faith for in that regard is having faith in
your "proof".
having faith in your methodology and whatnot.
otherwise, you're just deluding yourself in the quality of your so-
called "proof".
> Its all a matter of statistical samping.
no it isn't.
definitely not.
...
the only thing you can know for certain is your own firsthand
experience.
and even that is suspect, when you get right down to it.
"The world is not run by thought,
nor by imagination, but by opinion."
-- Elizabeth Drew
because faith _is_ the only certainty.
-$Zero...
you can't fail at predicting opinions which don't exist.
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john.ku...@sympatico.ca
Just toss a coin in the air 1000 times and log the results. You'll see
I'm right. If you toss it only once and take the rusult of that toss
as being the truth, they you would be dead wrong. The result is only
the truth for that given toss. the truth for any other toss is
undtermined until the toss is competed. it is only by summing the
histories of tosses that you can come to the truth.
$Zero
i once lost over 20 coin tosses in a row, so...
do the math.
> You'll see I'm right.
i'll see no such thing.
there are only two possibilities when you toss a coin.
no need to toss it more than once to see that truth.
> If you toss it only once and take the rusult of that toss
> as being the truth, they you would be dead wrong.
depends which side you bet on.
> The result is only
> the truth for that given toss.
yep.
now extrapolate that out to infinity.
> the truth for any other toss is
> undtermined until the toss is competed.
yep.
> it is only by summing the
> histories of tosses that you can come to the truth.
bzzzt.
the truth was already there when you selected an object with only two
feasible sides to land on.
-$Zero...
the scorecards mean nothing.
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john.ku...@sympatico.ca
No you lost on the prediction of the coin toss. The coin toss is just
the coin toss. In each case your cance was 50-50 but your intuition
told you that if an event happened one time, the other event would
happen the next or at some other time.
>
> > You'll see I'm right.
>
> i'll see no such thing.
>
> there are only two possibilities when you toss a coin.
>
> no need to toss it more than once to see that truth.
>
> > If you toss it only once and take the rusult of that toss
> > as being the truth, they you would be dead wrong.
>
> depends which side you bet on.
That's a bet on prediction and not a bet on truth.
>
> > The result is only
> > the truth for that given toss.
>
> yep.
>
> now extrapolate that out to infinity.
>
> > the truth for any other toss is
> > undtermined until the toss is competed.
>
> yep.
>
> > it is only by summing the
> > histories of tosses that you can come to the truth.
>
> bzzzt.
>
> the truth was already there when you selected an object with only two
> feasible sides to land on.
But you would not know the truth until you tossed the coin.
$Zero
and what are the odds i'd lose over 20 times in a row?
you'll of course say the odds would have been significantly lower if i
chose the same side every time.
but in reality, you'd be wrong.
> The coin toss is just the coin toss.
yep.
> In each case your cance was 50-50 but your intuition
> told you that if an event happened one time, the other
> event would happen the next or at some other time.
nope.
i just made random choices.
> > > You'll see I'm right.
>
> > i'll see no such thing.
>
> > there are only two possibilities when you toss a coin.
>
> > no need to toss it more than once to see that truth.
>
> > > If you toss it only once and take the rusult of that toss
> > > as being the truth, they you would be dead wrong.
>
> > depends which side you bet on.
>
> That's a bet on prediction and not a bet on truth.
it's a bet on both.
> > > The result is only
> > > the truth for that given toss.
>
> > yep.
>
> > now extrapolate that out to infinity.
>
> > > the truth for any other toss is
> > > undtermined until the toss is competed.
>
> > yep.
>
> > > it is only by summing the
> > > histories of tosses that you can come to the truth.
>
> > bzzzt.
>
> > the truth was already there when you selected an object
> > with only two feasible sides to land on.
>
> But you would not know the truth until you tossed the coin.
wrong.
that truth is inherent in the nature of any object which has only two
feasible landing results.
> > -$Zero...
>
> > the scorecards mean nothing.
> > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/ff48086c525628c2
-$Zero...
i notice stuff
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/b8850665ec6d5611
$Zero
although, obviuosly, depending on the shape, one side might be more
likely to be landed upon than the other.
even if only slightly more likely.
you simply need to concentrate on the obvious differences between
them.
and, perhaps, the non-obvious differences.
> > > -$Zero...
>
> > > the scorecards mean nothing.
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/ff48086c525628c2
>
> -$Zero...
>
> i notice stuff
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/b8850665ec6d5611
-$Zero...
what a goofball i am.
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