Re: home birth
Todd Gastaldo
If so, he may have learned "the pathological vision"...
Marsden Wagner, MD^^^ once said in an amicus brief:
"If a nurse or physician desires
to practice midwifery, then it is necessary for each to [undergo one
year or
more of training] to literally 'unlearn' the pathological vision to get
the
proper perspective of normality."
^^^Marsden Wagner, MD served for 15 years as the director of women's
and
children's health for the World Health Organization. The quote above
appeared in Wagner's amicus brief in the Peckman midwifery case and was
published in NAPSAC News Spring 1991 by the InterNational Association
of
Parents and Professionals for Safe Alternatives in Childbirth, Rt. 1,
Box
646, Marble Hill, MO 63764 USA.
Todd
Dr. Gastaldo
Hillsboro, Oregon
USA
to...@chiromotion.com
ON MISC.KIDS...
Jeff wrote:
> <kathy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1166281514....@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > It seems to me that women are having fewer home births now. I am
> > saddened by this and wonder why this is happening.
>
> If there is a problem with during birth, the time it takes to get to the
> hospital could be deadly.
>
> > Homebirth and
> > midwifery were resurected and fought for and protected for about the
> > last 25 years and we seem to be losing ground again.
>
> Actually, a lot of hospitals have midwives assist in the deliveries.
> However, I am glad homebirth rates are decreasing. The babies have more
> trained professionals available in a hospital than at home.
>
> That said, inselected low-risk cases, home delivery appears as safe as
> in-hospital delivery, if emergent transport to a hospital is available.
>
> Personally, I think the best care is delivered by midwives in birthing
> suites in hospitals, where there is good OB coverage and good emergency
> neonatal care, when needed.
>
> > Of course, I
> > don't have studies or anything to base this on.......just observations
> > over the last five years especially. My thought: The big hospital
> > conglomerates are masterful at marketing fear about our bodies and
> > concealing their own inadequacies.
>
> Big hospital conglomates? THe biggest hospital conglomate controls what
> percent of the hospitals or hospital beds in US?
>
> > Any way I would love to be part of a discussion of this topic.
> >
Todd Gastaldo
DEAD BABIES AND "MEDICAL MISTAKES" (also: "BABY ER")
Babies are actually being VACUUMED to death - made to bleed to death
into their scalps - thousands per year (please check my math someone?)
- with MD-obstetricians senselessly KEEPING birth canals closed the
"extra" up to 30% as they literally vacuum/rip/separate baby scalps
from baby skulls...
See Dr. Hull made SOME changes I recommended, but he still
'forgets' those hematomas ABOVE the periosteum...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/d4f53c2204fce76e
The birth-canal-closing crime is happening routinely at a hospital near
you - and in some home births.
Please report the crime.
I'm cc'ing Oregon Atty Genl Hardy Myers via hardy...@state.or.us.
Eventually law enforcement will stop looking the other way, as in the
arrogant boast of Steve B. Harris, MD:
"Without enforcement, there is no law. Without law, there is no crime.
These are elementary principles. Get an adult to explain them to you."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/28866f3384801ae9
Further comment below #####
Kathy Berry wrote
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> It seems to me that women are having fewer home births now. I am
> >> saddened by this and wonder why this is happening.
Jeff (P. Utz, MD?) replied:
> >
> > If there is a problem with during birth, the time it takes to get to the
> > hospital could be deadly.
Ericka replied:
>
> And introgenic infections and medical mistakes and
> such can also be deadly.
#### Ericka is, in effect, indicating here that MD-obstetricians
intentionally closing birth canals up to 30% is a "medical mistake."
#### Babies are DYING - MDs are LYING - and online childbirth educator
Ericka is euphemizing - "medical mistakes and such"...
> Statistically, for normal, healthy
> women with low risk pregnancies (the sort who are eligible
> for home births), the risk profile of home births is as good
> as or better than the risk profile for hospital birth.
#### Regarding the risk profile for hospital birth, let's not forget...
"Many hospitals market their luxurious birth suites...neglecting to
mention
that they have little to offer the one out of ten babies who ends up
needing
an NICU. Those children will have to waste precious minutes or hours
being
transported [to a tertiary care facility] by ambulance...bumping
through
traffic instead of receiving lifesaving care right where they were
born...[M]any small patients arrive...[in tertiary care facility
NICUs]...via ambulance from other hospitals...their parents pale and
terrified in the car behind them, unable to comprehend...why they made
the
mistake of starting out at the wrong hospital in the first place..."
[Humes E. Baby ER: The Heroic Doctors and Nurses Who Perform Medicine's
Tiniest Miracles. NY: Simon & Schuster. 2000:12-13]
See also: Baby ER (Also: Homebirth midwife at a hospital birth)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/6b425ecc4857967b
> The
> few studies that show otherwise are horribly methodologically
> flawed (and there are many methodologically sound studies
> that show at least equivalent safety for home birth).
#### MD-obstetrician experts have been/still are LYING to cover-up the
massive birth-canal-closing crime of MD-obstetricians.
#### Birth position studies have also been horribly methodologically
flawed - a form of "scientific" lying.
> In addition,
> countries where home birth is commonplace have historically
> had *better* birth outcomes than the US, where it is rare.
>
#### The Western MD-obstetrician birth-canal-closing birth crime is
spreading right along with use of the chair.
See Toilet Training for Thai Army Recruits in: sMEG during squatting?
(also: Asian Pacific Americans)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/a2044441c7aca66e
> > Actually, a lot of hospitals have midwives assist in the deliveries.
> > However, I am glad homebirth rates are decreasing.
>
> Actually, as far as I can tell, they're not decreasing.
>
> > Personally, I think the best care is delivered by midwives in birthing
> > suites in hospitals, where there is good OB coverage and good emergency
> > neonatal care, when needed.
>
> It is still not equivalent care to a home birth.
#### Home is mom's turf. Hospital is MD turf.
#### When the homebirth midwife apes the MD in the home - she is
robbing mom (and her baby) right in her home.
> While there are many very good midwives working in hospitals
> (and OBs, for that matter), there are still issues with
> the hospital model that introduce risks.
#### "Good" midwives and "good" OBs - and "good" online childbirth
educators for that matter - do not dismiss obvious, sometimes fatal,
birth crimes as "medical mistakes and such."
#### To be sure, they are all doing much good - but by
ignoring/dismissing the bad - the crime - they do society a grave
disservice.
> I think women should have access to whatever
> birth location they feel most comfortable with, given that
> there is no credible evidence that one is taking an undue
> risk choosing a home birth with an appropriately trained
> attendant, a normal low-risk pregnancy, and adequate
> backup.
>
> Best wishes,
> Ericka
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids/msg/e7afb7dcf84fa6e3
#### Ericka and I are in substantial agreement - except that Ericka
does not call obvious MD crime obvious MD crime.
#### How serious is the obvious MD crime?
#### Again, babies are actually being VACUUMED to death - made to bleed
to death into their scalps - thousands per year (please check my math
someone?) - with MD-obstetricians senselessly KEEPING birth canals
closed the "extra" up to 30% as they literally vacuum/rip/separate baby
scalps from baby skulls...
See Dr. Hull made SOME changes I recommended, but he still
'forgets' those hematomas ABOVE the periosteum...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/d4f53c2204fce76e
### Obviously, not all baby deaths can be prevented - it's just that
it's criminal to close the birth canal the "extra" up to 30%...
KEEPING the birth canal closed the "extra" up to 30% as one pulls with
a vacuum just makes the MD crime worse.
### The fact that MD-obstetrician experts are LYING to cover-up will
make prosecution easy - once law enforcement takes action...
#### For the Four OB Lies (they are whoppers)...
See Dents in babies' skulls"
http://groups.google.com/group/
misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/08abfc7ff242150e
Alternate URL:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/3897
LADIES: To allow your birth canal to OPEN the "extra" up to 30%, just
stay
off your sacrum as you push your baby out. Many women like side-lying
delivery. Kneeling against the raised head of the bed works. So does
standing. So does hands-and-knees. Virtually EVERY delivery position
allows the birth canal to open maximally - except dorsal and
semisitting -
the two most commonly used by obstetricians.
Thanks for reading.
Sincerely,
Todd
Dr. Gastaldo
Hillsboro, Oregon
USA
PS Further comment - for Ericka... Ericka, you have been covering for
childbirth educator Henci Goer who is failing to inform women that
MD-obstetricians routinely KEEP birth canals closed the "extra" up to
30% when babies get stuck.
See Good one Ericka! (Ericka's sordid Henci Goer joke - again)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/d02db7f19d5db306
Similarly, Larry McMahan has been online
pretending that it's not crime when MDs keep birth canals closed when
babies get stuck - with MD-obstetrician experts LYING (see above) to
cover-up. Remember? Larry says that the birth-canal-closing STANDARD
care of MD-obstetricians is mere "substandard care."
#### See again: Good one Ericka! (Ericka's sordid Henci Goer joke -
again)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/d02db7f19d5db306
Larry is WRONG. [Crime is occurring.]
Women shouldn't have to ask their MD-obstetricians (or midwives) for
the "extra" up to 30%.
Most women don't KNOW to ask.
Which is why everyone should be calling the "medical mistakes" what
they are - CRIMES.
Everyone should also be emailing LAW ENFORCEMENT.
REMEMBER: MDs are depending on law enforcement looking the other way.
As noted above, Steve B. Harris, MD arrogantly boasts:
"Without enforcement, there is no law. Without law, there is no crime.
These are elementary principles. Get an adult to explain them to you."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/28866f3384801ae9
What - really - is the difference between the MD making his arrogant
boast and Ericka Kammerer euphemizing the obvious crimes by calling
them "medical mistakes and such"?
I SAY AGAIN...
Babies are actually being VACUUMED to death - made to bleed to death
into their scalps - thousands per year (please check my math someone?)
- with MD-obstetricians senselessly KEEPING birth canals closed the
"extra" up to 30% as they literally vacuum/rip/separate baby scalps
from baby skulls...
See Dr. Hull made SOME changes I recommended, but he still
'forgets' those hematomas ABOVE the periosteum...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/d4f53c2204fce76e
The birth-canal-closing crime is happening ROUTINELY at a hospital near
you - and in some home births.
Please report the crime.
I'm cc'ing Oregon Atty Genl Hardy Myers via hardy...@state.or.us.
Eventually law enforcement will stop looking the other way.
Thanks.
Sincerely,
Todd
Dr. Gastaldo
Hillsboro, Oregon
USA
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Todd Gastaldo
LADIES at the very end of this post.
BABIES DYING/MDs LYING
...AND ERICKA'S SORDID JOKE...
Ericka Kammerer is whining about people not being informed (see below)
- even as she supports prominent childbirth educator Henci Goer in
failing to inform women that MD-obstetricians are keeping birth canals
closed the "extra" up to 30% when babies get stuck - as they pull with
vacuums.
Babies are actually being vacuumed to DEATH - made to bleed to death
into their scalps - thousands per year (please check my math someone?)
- with MD-obstetricians senselessly KEEPING birth canals closed the
"extra" up to 30% as they literally vacuum/rip/separate baby scalps
from baby skulls...
See Dr. Hull made SOME changes I recommended, but he still
'forgets' those hematomas ABOVE the periosteum...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/d4f53c2204fce76e
This crime should be REPORTED not ignored...
Yes, Ericka puts out a lot of good information - but she is engaging in
a grave act of omission.
Women shouldn't have to ask for the "extra" up to 30%.
Most women don't know to ask.
Law enforcement needs to address this obvious crime.
Fiona/Grahame wrote:
> > I considered home birth with all 3 of my children.
> > I decided on the holspital for all of them.
> > I truly believe a woman knows how to give birth naturally. And the home
> > would be the best place for her to do this without interference.
> > BUT....I also didnt want anything to go wrong. And could not have lived with
> > myself IF my child died because I wanted a home birth.
Ericka Kammerer replied:
>
> What if your child died because you chose to be
> in a hospital (iatrogenic infection, cascading unnecessary
> interventions, problems related to discontinuity of care
> or other mistakes that are more likely in hospital)?
#### With MD-obstetricians closing birth canals up to 30% and KEEPING
birth canals closed the "extra" up to 30% when babies get stuck...
#### With MD-obstetricians failing to obtain informed consent - with
MD-obstetrician experts LYING to cover-up...
#### Women are - in effect - "choosing" MD-obstetrician CRIMES for
themselves and their babies.
> I feel very strongly that women should go where
> they feel most comfortable, so I certainly do not challenge
> your decision to birth in hospital.
#### I, too, believe women should birth where they feel most
comfortable.
#### But powerful cultural authorities - MD-obstetricians have called
homebirth "child abuse" - a crime.
#### This abuse of cultural authority has helped women "choose"
hospital birth.
> If that's where you
> wanted to be, then that's where you should be. I am only
> poking at your "what if" question.
#### Ericka is rather TIMIDLY poking. Babies are DYING and MDs are
LYING.
> So many people raise
> that issue with home birth, but it is almost never raised
> in the other direction, even though deaths due to those
> causes are *far* more common (due to the fact that there
> are so many more hospital births--the risks of bad outcomes
> due to being in the hospital is about the same as the risk
> of bad outcomes due to being at home and not being able to
> transport in time to deal with an issue).
#### The transport issue should indeed be raised "in the other
direction"...
"Many hospitals market their luxurious birth suites...neglecting to
mention
that they have little to offer the one out of ten babies who ends up
needing
an NICU. Those children will have to waste precious minutes or hours
being
transported [to a tertiary care facility] by ambulance...bumping
through
traffic instead of receiving lifesaving care right where they were
born...[M]any small patients arrive...[in tertiary care facility
NICUs]...via ambulance from other hospitals...their parents pale and
terrified in the car behind them, unable to comprehend...why they made
the
mistake of starting out at the wrong hospital in the first place..."
[Humes E. Baby ER: The Heroic Doctors and Nurses Who Perform Medicine's
Tiniest Miracles. NY: Simon & Schuster. 2000:12-13]
See also: Baby ER (Also: Homebirth midwife at a hospital birth)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/05fbc37fe969e6c0
> None of us get to choose a perfectly safe birth.
> We only get to choose which set of risks we are more
> comfortable with.
#### But the set of risks for hospital births is reduced - even by
prominent childbirth educators like Henci Goer - with Ericka Kammerer's
support.
See Good one Ericka! (Ericka's sordid Henci Goer joke - again)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/d02db7f19d5db306
> It is not surprising to me that more
> people are comfortable choosing the set of risks associated
> with hospital birth,
#### But they aren't "choosing." MD crimes are being IMPOSED upon them
without their consent.
> but I do wish that more people were
> aware of those risks (so that they could attempt to mitigate
> them).
>
#### This is MY point. Why are prominent childbirth educators failing
to tell women that if their babies get stuck, their birth canals will
be KEPT closed the "extra" up to 30%?
#### Why is Ericka Kammerer supporting Henci Goer in this childbirth
education fraud - even as she whines about wishing that more people
were aware of risks?
See again: Good one Ericka! (Ericka's sordid Henci Goer joke - again)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/d02db7f19d5db306
#### Why do I care?
#### As I recently noted in this thread...and already said above:
Babies are actually being VACUUMED to death - made to bleed to death
into their scalps - thousands per year (please check my math someone?)
- with MD-obstetricians senselessly KEEPING birth canals closed the
"extra" up to 30% as they literally vacuum/rip/separate baby scalps
from baby skulls...
See Dr. Hull made SOME changes I recommended, but he still
'forgets' those hematomas ABOVE the periosteum...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/d4f53c2204fce76e
The birth-canal-closing crime is happening routinely at a hospital near
you - and in some home births.
Please report the crime.
I'm cc'ing Oregon Atty Genl Hardy Myers via hardy...@state.or.us.
Eventually law enforcement will stop looking the other way, as in the
arrogant boast of Steve B. Harris, MD:
"Without enforcement, there is no law. Without law, there is no crime.
These are elementary principles. Get an adult to explain them to you."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/28866f3384801ae9
Adults: Please report the crime - and start asking why prominent
childbirth educators like Henci Goer aren't mentioning it.
Ericka's "joke" is a sordid joke. (see Good one, Ericka!, URL above).
Thanks for reading.
Sincerely,
Todd
Dr. Gastaldo
Hillsboro, Oregon
USA
PS Obviously, not all baby deaths can be prevented - it's just that
it's criminal to close the birth canal the "extra" up to 30%...
KEEPING the birth canal closed the "extra" up to 30% as one pulls with
a vacuum just makes the MD crime worse.
The fact that MD-obstetrician experts are LYING to cover-up will make
prosecution easy - once law enforcement takes action...
For the Four OB Lies (they are whoppers)...
See Dents in babies' skulls"
http://groups.google.com/group/
misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/08abfc7ff242150e
Alternate URL:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/3897
I am in favor of pardons in advance for MDs. As medical students, MDs
are TRAINED to commit obvious felonies.
Cathy Weeks
Todd Gastaldo wrote:
> Pregnant? To allow your birth canal to open an "extra" up to 30%, see
> LADIES at the very end of this post.
>
>
> BABIES DYING/MDs LYING
>
> ...AND ERICKA'S SORDID JOKE...
>
> Ericka Kammerer is whining about people not being informed (see below)
> - even as she supports prominent childbirth educator Henci Goer in
> failing to inform women that MD-obstetricians are keeping birth canals
> closed the "extra" up to 30% when babies get stuck - as they pull with
> vacuums.
Todd,
I'm glad you are around to keep people informed on your crusade, but I
must take issue with this one. I think this was incredibly rude.
Ericka is one of our most valuable, and reasoned members of these
sites, and just because (unlike you) she doesn't have a one-track mind,
doesn't mean she is whining, nor does it mean she is guilty of
ommission.
You just lost a lot of credibility here.
Cathy Weeks
Todd Gastaldo
MDs LYING/BABIES DYING...
Pregnant women: Please see LADIES: PREVENTION [in the URL at the end
of this post] below for a simple way
to help avoid c-sections and episiotomies...
MD-obstetricians are senselessly closing birth canals up to 30%. See
Gastaldo TD. Letter. Birth. 1992;19(4):230-1.
Babies are actually being vacuumed to DEATH - made to bleed to death
into their scalps - thousands per year (please check my math; see the
"Dr Hull" URL below)
- with MD-obstetricians senselessly KEEPING birth canals closed the
"extra" up to 30% as they literally vacuum/rip/separate baby scalps
from baby skulls...
See Dr. Hull made SOME changes I recommended, but he still
'forgets' those hematomas ABOVE the periosteum...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/d4f53c2204fce76e
CATHY, DO YOU DISAGREE THAT...
See below.
Todd Gastaldo wrote:
> > Pregnant? To allow your birth canal to open an "extra" up to 30%, see
> > LADIES at the very end of this post.
> >
> >
> > BABIES DYING/MDs LYING
> >
> > ...AND ERICKA'S SORDID JOKE...
> >
> > Ericka Kammerer is whining about people not being informed (see below)
> > - even as she supports prominent childbirth educator Henci Goer in
> > failing to inform women that MD-obstetricians are keeping birth canals
> > closed the "extra" up to 30% when babies get stuck - as they pull with
> > vacuums.
Cathy Weeks replied:
>
> Todd,
>
> I'm glad you are around to keep people informed on your crusade,
#### Isn't it interesting that one must "crusade" to stop
MD-obstetricians from closing birth canals up to 30%, etc.?
#### The crime is so obvious - so massive - it would be surprising if
MD-obstetricians did not have "experts" to give out good info and
studiously ignore the massive MD crime.
> but I
> must take issue with this one. I think this was incredibly rude.
>
#### Sometimes telling the truth seems rude. Babies are dying/MDs are
lying. It was/is incredibly rude of Ericka to lie to support prominent
childbirth educator Henci Goer's bizarre failure to tell pregnant women
that MD-obstetricians are keeping birth canals closed the "extra" up to
30%. For Ericka to whine that people aren't being informed is
hypocrisy.
> Ericka is one of our most valuable, and reasoned members of these
> sites, and
#### Unfortunately Ericka is neither valuable nor reasoned in this
matter. In this matter, Ericka reminds me of NO CIRC's Marilyn Milos,
RN - another "most valuable and reasoned" person. Marilyn toils
tirelessly to end mass infant penis ripping and slicing - but oddly -
Marilyn failed to call attention to a key point - American medicine
lying - using phony "babies can't feel pain" neurology. Ultimately,
Marilyn voted not to have NO CIRC nurses file mandatory suspected child
abuse reports - even as she sold bumper stickers which read "Child
abuse begins with circumcision." The mass infant penis ripping and
slicing that Marilyn "opposes" continues.
> just because (unlike you) she doesn't have a one-track mind,
#### A one-track mind is MANDATORY when children are being abused.
Children are being abused en masse and Ericka is covering/lying for
prominent childbirth educator Henci Goer who is failing to call
attention to the fact that MD-obstetricians are keeping birth canals
closed the "extra" up to 30% when babies get stuck.
#### Maybe Ericka and Henci are good friends and that is the reason for
Ericka's whining hypocrisy?
> doesn't mean she is whining, nor does it mean she is guilty of
> ommission.
>
#### No, I still say she is whining about parents not being informed
even as she lies to help conceal a prominent childbirth educator's
failure to inform.
> You just lost a lot of credibility here.
>
> Cathy Weeks
##### Sorry you feel that way. If you see error in my writing, please
point it out - preferably publicly. It is ERICKA who is lying and
covering up for Henci Goer's bizarre failure to inform parents - even
as she (Ericka) hypocritically whines about parents not being informed.
#### As I indicated in my post (you snipped this)...
"Babies are actually being vacuumed to DEATH - made to bleed to death
into their scalps - thousands per year (please check my math someone?)
- with MD-obstetricians senselessly KEEPING birth canals closed the
"extra" up to 30% as they literally vacuum/rip/separate baby scalps
from baby skulls... "
See Dr. Hull made SOME changes I recommended, but he still
'forgets' those hematomas ABOVE the periosteum...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/d4f53c2204fce76e
#### You also snipped this:
"This crime should be REPORTED not ignored...Yes, Ericka puts out a lot
of good information - but she is engaging in
a grave act of omission...Women shouldn't have to ask for the "extra"
up to 30%....Most women don't know to ask...Law enforcement needs to
address this obvious crime."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/112cb54e1443a9a7
CATHY, DO YOU DISAGREE THAT...
#### ....a massive crime is being committed -
complete with MD cover-up lies? I say again: a one-track mind is
MANDATORY when children are being abused. Children are being abused en
masse and Ericka is covering/lying for a prominent childbirth educator
who is failing to call attention to the fact that MD-obstetricians are
keeping birth canals closed the "extra" up to 30% when babies get
stuck.
#### I hope Ericka keeps putting out all that good information - but I
think she needs to end her lying hypocrisy.
#### MD-obstetrician experts should stop THEIR lying too. Their lies
are whoppers. See "Dents in babies' skulls" URL below.
Excerpted from: MDs lying/Babies dying: Cathy, do you disagree that...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/3b6fdb51ddea0aa1