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Stratek  
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 More options Nov 7 2012, 2:09 am
From: "Stratek" <stra...@pixie.co.za>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:09:25 +0200
Local: Wed, Nov 7 2012 2:09 am
Subject: KK RE: [Libsa] Digest for libsa@googlegroups.com - 3 Messages in 2 Topics

The SAA story is a hoax, as is easily spotted since the figures are so
extreme. The true story is below.

Regards

Kelvin Kemm

Spotlight falls on SAA efficiency

<http://m.news24.com/fin24/Pages/Comments/CommentList.aspx?aid=8a6ea85...
-4f27-8cb9-330aa46676c0&sid=17&cid=5695> View 53 comments
<http://m.news24.com/fin24/Pages/Comments/CommentPost.aspx?aid=8a6ea85...
-4f27-8cb9-330aa46676c0&sid=17&cid=5695> Comment on this story

By: Francois Williams 2012-11-04 17:04

Cape Town – South African Airways (SAA) has more employees per aircraft than
most other airlines, but is not the most inefficient, a Sake24 investigation
shows.

The spotlight has again fallen on SAA's inefficiency following its recent
request for an additional R5bn in government assistance and the board’s
resignation.

The number of workers per aircraft is a simple measure of an airline's
efficiency. SAA, with just over 10 000 employees and 61 aircraft, according
to its 2011 annual report, therefore has 164.8 employees per aircraft
compared to Kenya Airways with 104.7, Ethiopian Airlines with 126, Qantas in
Australia with 109, American Airlines with 86.7 and United Airlines with 71.

Comair, which operates British Airways and kulula.com in South Africa, has
74 per aircraft.

These figures are reflected in the airlines' latest available annual reports
or websites, or were ascertained from enquiry. Last year SAA's staff costs
were R4.417bn.

Yet, in terms of this measure, SAA is not the most inefficient. Air India,
with 221 workers per aircraft current holds this position, according to
Business Today.

On its website it's clear that its referring to Business Today and not
Businesstoday, at http://www.indiatodaygroup.com/, an Indian business news
page. Observers say it has a large number of superfluous staff members
appointed through political interference.

Air India, like SAA, is a state-controlled airline currently being bolstered
by taxpayers' money to prevent its going bankrupt.

Flightglobal airline newspaper Flightglobal says that in April the Indian
government approved a R5.8bn eight-year bailout package for Air India, aimed
at returning the airline to profitability by 2018.

 - Sake24

For more business news in Afrikaans, go to Sake24.com
<http://www.sake24.com/> .

From: libsa@googlegroups.com [mailto:libsa@googlegroups.com]
Sent: 07 November 2012 08:59 AM
To: Digest Recipients
Subject: [Libsa] Digest for libsa@googlegroups.com - 3 Messages in 2 Topics

  Today's Topic Summary

Group:  <http://groups.google.com/group/libsa/topics>
http://groups.google.com/group/libsa/topics

§  FW: The "gravy plane".. [1 Update]

§  Some humor for today [2 Updates]

  <http://groups.google.com/group/libsa/t/63edb2e969795070> FW: The "gravy
plane"..

"Janette" <ray...@iafrica.com> Nov 06 08:44PM +0200  

Interesting view point.

I haven't verified any of these stats

Ever wonder why we can't keep our airfares down?

SAA - 5 Billion depends on their turn-around strategy

Why is SAA always running at such a huge loss and forever requesting 'bail
outs' from the government?

The reason appears to be quite simple - they have too many people working
for them and the business simply cannot afford it!

Many of these SAA employees fall into the 'protected employees' category,
(those that simply have a job and do very little to nothing to substantiate
their worth, and our Employment Act prevents the SAA from simply 'getting
rid' of surplus or unnecessary staff.

In any business it is vitally important to keep ones staff numbers to an
absolute necessary minimum. This would be in line with the principle of
keeping ones overall overheads to a minimum.

I conducted a website search of some random airlines (listed below) in order
to gauge the total number of employees at that airline, measured against
their total number of aircraft in the fleet. I simply divided the total
number of employees by the total number of aircraft in the fleet which in
turn indicated how many employees in the airline are employed PER AIRCRAFT
in the fleet.

It must be noted that my research was not conducted in depth and some of the
numbers below reflect from 2010 - 2012.

Interestingly enough, when attempting to download SAA's 2010 Annual Report,
when clicking on it, nothing happens!

Have a look at my 'shock and horror' below:

1) QANTAS (Australian) 32 500 employees with a total of 252
aircraft = 129 employees per aircraft

2) American Airlines 87 897 employees with a total of 618
aircraft = 142 employees per aircraft

3) Delta Airlines 106 216 employees with a total of
722 aircraft = 147 employees per aircraft

4) British Airways 36 832 employees with a total of
238 aircraft = 154 employees per aircraft

5) United Airlines 115 149 employees with a total of
710 aircraft = 162 employees per aircraft

6) South African Airways 55 500 employees with a total of 58
aircraft = 957employees per aircraft

Numbers above are subject to change depending on latest figures.

  <http://groups.google.com/group/libsa/t/f05151a9f3f29ece> Some humor for
today

"David Joffe" <david.jo...@tshwanedje.com> Nov 06 04:46PM +0200  

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Mageu-tablet-computers-in-inflation-cou
nt-20121106

Mageu, tablet computers in inflation count
2012-11-06

Johannesburg - Mageu, feta cheese, hot chocolate and filtered coffee
will form part of the CPI basket from January 2013, Statistics SA
(StatsSA) said on Tuesday.

They would be among the list of goods and services used when
calculating the consumer price index next year.

Items in the CPI basket are representative of the main categories of
goods and services typically bought by households.

The changes to the basket indicated shifts in consumer choices.

Other products which would be included in the CPI basket from
January next year were vodka, bricks and cement, energy-saving light
bulbs, tablet computers, hair extensions, and package holidays.

Items leaving the CPI basket were samp, savoury biscuits, dried
fruits and nuts, frozen vegetables, dried lentils and peas, and
vienna sausages.

Presently, there were 402 items in the CPI basket. The new basket
would have 393.

Stats SA price and employment statistics executive manager Patrick
Kelly said: "Another significant change will be a basket for each
primary urban area, secondary urban area, and rural area in each
province."

At present, there was only one CPI basket for each province.

Kelly said one of the reasons for the change in the provincial
basket was that there were goods and services consumed by people in
urban areas, but not in the rural areas of the same province.

"It must be noted that the baskets reflect the pattern of residence
rather than the point at which purchases are made."

There would also be changes in the weights of the items in the
basket. All indices would be rebased to 100. The new base would be
2012, while the current base was 2008.

Kelly said there would be changes to the Producer Price Inflation
index as of January 2013.

Meanwhile, Reuters reportsthat the weighting of electricity and
fuels will almost double to 4.1% from the current 2.1%, reflecting a
steady rise in electricity tariffs from state utility Eskom. Petrol
will rise to 5.4% from 3.6%.

Household contents and services also dropped in weighting, to 4.9%
from 6.1%.

Analysts said the changes would not make a marked difference to
headline inflation, which quickened to 5.5% in September.

Gary Moore <gazmoo...@gmail.com> Nov 06 09:38AM -0800  

Humorous indeed.

Here's the antidote:

Asked what is the key thing poor countries should do, Hong Kong financial
secretary Sir John Cowperthwaite once remarked: "They should abolish the
Office of National Statistics." In Hong Kong, he refused to collect all but
the most superficial statistics, believing that statistics were dangerous:
they would lead the state to fiddle about remedying perceived ills,
simultaneously hindering the ability of the market economy to work:
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/06/061029-5.htm

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Charl Heydenrych  
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 More options Nov 7 2012, 7:13 am
From: "Charl Heydenrych" <prop...@tiscali.co.za>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:13:51 +0200
Local: Wed, Nov 7 2012 7:13 am
Subject: RE: KK RE: [Libsa] Digest for libsa@googlegroups.com - 3 Messages in 2 Topics

The figures are a bit unfair since SAA for example provides technical
services such as maintenance to other airlines on the continent
see:
<http://www.flysaa.com/za/en/SAA_Technical/about/flysaa_technical_main...
e.html>
http://www.flysaa.com/za/en/SAA_Technical/about/flysaa_technical_main...
.html
there they say "It also provides major maintenance to a number of European,
African and Middle East airlines".
These staff should therefore not be allocated to SAA 100%.

Nevertheless the priciple is that: The Government should not use my money to
support inefficient businesses.

Charl Heydenrych
HeyDay Solutions
011 781 2664
082 637 3710
prop...@tiscali.co.za

  _____  

From: libsa@googlegroups.com [mailto:libsa@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Stratek
Sent: 07 November 2012 09:09 AM
To: libsa@googlegroups.com
Subject: KK RE: [Libsa] Digest for libsa@googlegroups.com - 3 Messages in 2
Topics

The SAA story is a hoax, as is easily spotted since the figures are so
extreme. The true story is below.

Regards

Kelvin Kemm

Spotlight falls on SAA efficiency

<http://m.news24.com/fin24/Pages/Comments/CommentList.aspx?aid=8a6ea85...
-4f27-8cb9-330aa46676c0&sid=17&cid=5695> View 53 comments
<http://m.news24.com/fin24/Pages/Comments/CommentPost.aspx?aid=8a6ea85...
-4f27-8cb9-330aa46676c0&sid=17&cid=5695> Comment on this story

By: Francois Williams 2012-11-04 17:04

Cape Town – South African Airways (SAA) has more employees per aircraft than
most other airlines, but is not the most inefficient, a Sake24 investigation
shows.

The spotlight has again fallen on SAA's inefficiency following its recent
request for an additional R5bn in government assistance and the board’s
resignation.

The number of workers per aircraft is a simple measure of an airline's
efficiency. SAA, with just over 10 000 employees and 61 aircraft, according
to its 2011 annual report, therefore has 164.8 employees per aircraft
compared to Kenya Airways with 104.7, Ethiopian Airlines with 126, Qantas in
Australia with 109, American Airlines with 86.7 and United Airlines with 71.

Comair, which operates British Airways and kulula.com in South Africa, has
74 per aircraft.

These figures are reflected in the airlines' latest available annual reports
or websites, or were ascertained from enquiry. Last year SAA's staff costs
were R4.417bn.

Yet, in terms of this measure, SAA is not the most inefficient. Air India,
with 221 workers per aircraft current holds this position, according to
Business Today.

On its website it's clear that its referring to Business Today and not
Businesstoday, at http://www.indiatodaygroup.com/, an Indian business news
page. Observers say it has a large number of superfluous staff members
appointed through political interference.

Air India, like SAA, is a state-controlled airline currently being bolstered
by taxpayers' money to prevent its going bankrupt.

Flightglobal airline newspaper Flightglobal says that in April the Indian
government approved a R5.8bn eight-year bailout package for Air India, aimed
at returning the airline to profitability by 2018.

 - Sake24

For more business news in Afrikaans, go to Sake24.com
<http://www.sake24.com/> .

From: libsa@googlegroups.com [mailto:libsa@googlegroups.com]
Sent: 07 November 2012 08:59 AM
To: Digest Recipients
Subject: [Libsa] Digest for libsa@googlegroups.com - 3 Messages in 2 Topics

  Today's Topic Summary

Group:  <http://groups.google.com/group/libsa/topics>
http://groups.google.com/group/libsa/topics

§  FW: The "gravy plane".. [1 Update]

§  Some humor for today [2 Updates]

  <http://groups.google.com/group/libsa/t/63edb2e969795070> FW: The "gravy
plane"..

"Janette" <ray...@iafrica.com> Nov 06 08:44PM +0200  

Interesting view point.

I haven't verified any of these stats

Ever wonder why we can't keep our airfares down?

SAA - 5 Billion depends on their turn-around strategy

Why is SAA always running at such a huge loss and forever requesting 'bail
outs' from the government?

The reason appears to be quite simple - they have too many people working
for them and the business simply cannot afford it!

Many of these SAA employees fall into the 'protected employees' category,
(those that simply have a job and do very little to nothing to substantiate
their worth, and our Employment Act prevents the SAA from simply 'getting
rid' of surplus or unnecessary staff.

In any business it is vitally important to keep ones staff numbers to an
absolute necessary minimum. This would be in line with the principle of
keeping ones overall overheads to a minimum.

I conducted a website search of some random airlines (listed below) in order
to gauge the total number of employees at that airline, measured against
their total number of aircraft in the fleet. I simply divided the total
number of employees by the total number of aircraft in the fleet which in
turn indicated how many employees in the airline are employed PER AIRCRAFT
in the fleet.

It must be noted that my research was not conducted in depth and some of the
numbers below reflect from 2010 - 2012.

Interestingly enough, when attempting to download SAA's 2010 Annual Report,
when clicking on it, nothing happens!

Have a look at my 'shock and horror' below:

1) QANTAS (Australian) 32 500 employees with a total of 252
aircraft = 129 employees per aircraft

2) American Airlines 87 897 employees with a total of 618
aircraft = 142 employees per aircraft

3) Delta Airlines 106 216 employees with a total of
722 aircraft = 147 employees per aircraft

4) British Airways 36 832 employees with a total of
238 aircraft = 154 employees per aircraft

5) United Airlines 115 149 employees with a total of
710 aircraft = 162 employees per aircraft

6) South African Airways 55 500 employees with a total of 58
aircraft = 957employees per aircraft

Numbers above are subject to change depending on latest figures.

  <http://groups.google.com/group/libsa/t/f05151a9f3f29ece> Some humor for
today

"David Joffe" <david.jo...@tshwanedje.com> Nov 06 04:46PM +0200  

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Mageu-tablet-computers-in-inflation-cou
nt-20121106

Mageu, tablet computers in inflation count
2012-11-06

Johannesburg - Mageu, feta cheese, hot chocolate and filtered coffee
will form part of the CPI basket from January 2013, Statistics SA
(StatsSA) said on Tuesday.

They would be among the list of goods and services used when
calculating the consumer price index next year.

Items in the CPI basket are representative of the main categories of
goods and services typically bought by households.

The changes to the basket indicated shifts in consumer choices.

Other products which would be included in the CPI basket from
January next year were vodka, bricks and cement, energy-saving light
bulbs, tablet computers, hair extensions, and package holidays.

Items leaving the CPI basket were samp, savoury biscuits, dried
fruits and nuts, frozen vegetables, dried lentils and peas, and
vienna sausages.

Presently, there were 402 items in the CPI basket. The new basket
would have 393.

Stats SA price and employment statistics executive manager Patrick
Kelly said: "Another significant change will be a basket for each
primary urban area, secondary urban area, and rural area in each
province."

At present, there was only one CPI basket for each province.

Kelly said one of the reasons for the change in the provincial
basket was that there were goods and services consumed by people in
urban areas, but not in the rural areas of the same province.

"It must be noted that the baskets reflect the pattern of residence
rather than the point at which purchases are made."

There would also be changes in the weights of the items in the
basket. All indices would be rebased to 100. The new base would be
2012, while the current base was 2008.

Kelly said there would be changes to the Producer Price Inflation
index as of January 2013.

Meanwhile, Reuters reportsthat the weighting of electricity and
fuels will almost double to 4.1% from the current 2.1%, reflecting a
steady rise in electricity tariffs from state utility Eskom. Petrol
will rise to 5.4% from 3.6%.

Household contents and services also dropped in weighting, to 4.9%
from 6.1%.

Analysts said the changes would not make a marked difference to
headline inflation, which quickened to 5.5% in September.

Gary Moore <gazmoo...@gmail.com> Nov 06 09:38AM -0800  

Humorous indeed.

Here's the antidote:

Asked what is the key thing poor countries should do, Hong Kong financial
secretary Sir John Cowperthwaite once remarked: "They should abolish the
Office of National Statistics." In Hong Kong, he refused to collect all but
the most superficial statistics, believing that statistics were dangerous:
they would lead the state to fiddle about remedying perceived ills,
simultaneously hindering the ability of the market economy to work:
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/06/061029-5.htm

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 9:46:08 AM UTC-5, David Joffe wrote:

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