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From: Sam Moffatt <pasa...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:33:50 -0700
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You know you're right Hannes. When someone contributes something out
to the open source community and someone says that your contribution
to the enhancement of the project will kill the project, I guess that
you'd definitely not want to contribute any more to the project and
that'd make it hard to contribute. I congratulate you for wanting to
improve contribution to the project but an outsider merely reading
this thread would likely be heavily dissuaded from contributing
because they probably don't want to be blamed for killing the Joomla!
project.

I'm not sure if I've ever had a contribution that I've been told will
kill the project, but I bet it'd be awfully demoralising. Just
imagine, you personally killing a project with over 30 million
downloads (not counting international versions or versions distributed
through Fantastico).

Near as I can tell there is still mostly positive two way
communications on that thread. Let's keep it positive.

Cheers,

Sam Moffatt
http://pasamio.id.au



On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Hannes Papenberg
<hackwa...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hello Andrew,
> there are several technical issues that I see, which Nicholas already
> pointed out in the pull request. Besides that, this is a good example
> how changes are made in Joomla. In a perfect world, Louis would have
> gone to the mailinglist and written "I see this problem with
> JController, etc. and would like to propose to do X." Then there could
> have been a (quick) discussion on the list and at the end there would be
> a "Sounds good" or "Sounds bad" and in the first case Louis would have
> started working on this. Then he would have created a pull request and
> in that pull request we could speak solely about technical issues.
>
> Instead, we are talking about politics again. I claim that having this
> discussion is mostly futile, because the decision has already been made
> before Louis even made the pull request. Please don't get me wrong, I
> don't think you have made this decision conciously like "Ok guys,
> huddle, this is the plan, lets do it like this." But I think that the
> people arguing pro this change are working to close together to judge
> this proposal unbiased. Right now 11 people are contributing to the pull
> discussion and 6 of those 11 are either sceptic or openly against this.
> The other 5 are the platform maintainers...
>
> I feel bad for bringing this up again, but when I did my first pull
> requests, you asked me to get support from the community and then we
> could have a look at my proposals. I did that and quite frankly, am
> still waiting for the platform maintainers to give me their judgement on
> stuff like the router. (Yes, I gave up on keeping the code up to speed,
> since its been a year since my first proposal) I'm simply expecting the
> same from you guys.
>
> After this long prologue: Why should this kill Joomla? This alone of
> course does not kill Joomla, its simply another piece in the puzzle. The
> short point is, that contributing to Joomla is extremely difficult and
> it drives away contributors. This lets us fall behind other competing
> systems even further and will eventually reduce our user base.
>
> If you really want to get people involved, do what lots of experts will
> tell you: Let maintainers only review the code, but not write it
> themselfs. As a coder you are to much involved to judge it unbiased.
> That prevents discussions like this and for example makes sure that the
> maintainer reviews all peoples contributions and is not knee deep in his
> own code that he is writing.
>
> Hannes
>
> Am 07.04.2012 01:19, schrieb Andrew Eddie:
>> On 7 April 2012 08:59, Hannes Papenberg <hackwa...@googlemail.com> wrote=
:
>>> Please, everybody read this pull request. It has the potential of
>>> killing this project and everybody should be aware of the discussion
>>> that has been happening over there.
>> Would you care to elaborate on how you think it's going to kill this
>> project? It's hard to respond to such a broad-brush statement.
>>
>>> I for one wasn't aware of this.
>> Well, the pull request was only made 2 days ago, and since there is
>> obviously some debate about it, I raised it here so you would be aware
>> of it. =A0Mission accomplished and you are welcome :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrew Eddie
>>
>
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