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I think we can take out footnote * as 1.5 no longer supports php 4 in any version. Apropos of the other thread, should we add some recommendations such as SuPHP and the list of requirements that get checked on installation? Are we really supporting all versions of 5.3? I thought there were some meaningful changes between versions. The platform repo says 5.3.1 but I tend to think we should specify the current release since they always include bug fixes and this has to last a while.
>I think we can take out footnote * as 1.5 no longer supports php 4 >in any version.
>Apropos of the other thread, should we add some recommendations such >as SuPHP and the list of requirements that get checked on >installation?
>Are we really supporting all versions of 5.3? I thought there were >some meaningful changes between versions. The platform repo >says 5.3.1 but I tend to think we should specify the current release >since they always include bug fixes and this has to last a while.
>Elin
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>Doesn't sound weird, I think my server 'll understand it.
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That's my memory also. So it should be specified although I think it would be smarter to say something closer to the current release which is 5.3.14. Also I have not been following 5.4 releases closely. For the most part there are few differences but sometimes there are important ones (which is why we specified dot versions previously). For example 5.4.3 and 5.3.13 fixed an important vulnerability. It does look like there has been at least one change in behavior. Also we sometimes have to do workarounds for php bugs and if we have a higher requirement of course that means at least some of those can be avoided.
El Kuku I do think we should recommend but not require 5.4. I think we can with confidence predict that by the end of the lifecycle of J3 (and probably by the release of 3.5) that will be the standard and further that we are going to end up with platform compatibility issues after they raise their minimum (the 5.3.1 posted is just a commitment for Platform 12 and that has only 6 months left really).
I do think that we should be clear that no matter what the minimum the CMS should not deliberately break compatibility. It is more about having the freedom to move forward with improving without having to guarantee that all improvements will work for unsupported versions. This is similar to how we worked to assure that the CMS would work on IIS for many years even though it was not officially supported. We did that because it addressed the real world needs of our users.
On Friday, July 6, 2012 4:41:47 AM UTC-4, infograf768 wrote:
> I think we already had a discusion on this and that 5.3.1 was accepted > as minimum requirements.
> JM
> I think we can take out footnote * as 1.5 no longer supports php 4 in any > version.
> Apropos of the other thread, should we add some recommendations such as > SuPHP and the list of requirements that get checked on installation?
> Are we really supporting all versions of 5.3? I thought there were some > meaningful changes between versions. The platform repo says 5.3.1 but I > tend to think we should specify the current release since they always > include bug fixes and this has to last a while.
> Elin
> On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 5:02:54 AM UTC-4, Liam Edwards wrote:
> Doesn't sound weird, I think my server 'll understand it.
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On Friday, July 6, 2012 4:41:47 AM UTC-4, infograf768 wrote:
> I think we already had a discusion on this and that 5.3.1 was accepted > as minimum requirements.
> JM
> I think we can take out footnote * as 1.5 no longer supports php 4 in any > version.
> Apropos of the other thread, should we add some recommendations such as > SuPHP and the list of requirements that get checked on installation?
> Are we really supporting all versions of 5.3? I thought there were some > meaningful changes between versions. The platform repo says 5.3.1 but I > tend to think we should specify the current release since they always > include bug fixes and this has to last a while.
> Elin
> On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 5:02:54 AM UTC-4, Liam Edwards wrote:
> Doesn't sound weird, I think my server 'll understand it.
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On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, elin <elin.war...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's my memory also. So it should be specified although I think it would
> be smarter to say something closer to the current release which is 5.3.14.
Well Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (server is supported until 2015) only has 5.3.2. Going up to 5.3.2 doesn't give us any immediate benefits, so we might as well support 5.3.1.
For those interested, we could simplify a bit of platform code by going to 5.3.3 (very little) or 5.3.6 (a bit more).
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, elin <elin.war...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's my memory also. So it should be specified although I think it would be smarter to say something closer to the current release which is 5.3.14.
> While Debian may upgrade sooner, Centos is unlikely to change anytime soon[actually, Centos default to 5.1.6 - but 5.3 is available]
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On Friday, July 6, 2012 11:43:20 AM UTC-4, Rouven Weßling wrote:
> Well Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (server is supported until 2015) only has 5.3.2. > Going up to 5.3.2 doesn't give us any immediate benefits, so we might as > well support 5.3.1.
I generally check with the latest Debian and Centos.
Ubuntu is Debian + extra code and is generally a number of versions ahead of Debian for sub-packages like PHP.
Fedora and other Red Hat derivatives are generally far far far ahead of the latest CentOS version.
So by using Debian and CentOS I know what minimum versions are currently supported. Not sure about other server distribution chains.
> Ubuntu is Debian + extra code and is generally a number of versions ahead of Debian for sub-packages like PHP.
That's why I looked at the LTS. I know no one who uses a non-LTS version on a server. That doesn't mean nobody does that, but I'd probably worry about their sanity.
On Friday, July 6, 2012 12:39:56 PM UTC-4, Rouven Weßling wrote:
> On 06.07.2012, at 18:37, garyamort wrote:
> Ubuntu is Debian + extra code and is generally a number of versions ahead > of Debian for sub-packages like PHP.
> That's why I looked at the LTS. I know no one who uses a non-LTS version > on a server. That doesn't mean nobody does that, but I'd probably worry > about their sanity.
> Well Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (server is supported until 2015) only has 5.3.2. Going up to 5.3.2 doesn't give us any immediate benefits, so we might as well support 5.3.1.
> For those interested, we could simplify a bit of platform code by going to 5.3.3 (very little) or 5.3.6 (a bit more).
> Best regards
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> On 06.07.2012, at 17:38, Gary Mort wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, elin <elin.war...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's my memory also. So it should be specified although I think it would be smarter to say something closer to the current release which is 5.3.14.
>> While Debian may upgrade sooner, Centos is unlikely to change anytime soon[actually, Centos default to 5.1.6 - but 5.3 is available]
>> I'd say when making suggestions, check the repositories and link to the trusted additional repos with later versions of PHP....
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>> Well Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (server is supported until 2015) only has 5.3.2. Going up to 5.3.2 doesn't give us any immediate benefits, so we might as well support 5.3.1.
>> For those interested, we could simplify a bit of platform code by going to 5.3.3 (very little) or 5.3.6 (a bit more).
>> Best regards
>> Rouven
>> On 06.07.2012, at 17:38, Gary Mort wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, elin <elin.war...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> That's my memory also. So it should be specified although I think it would be smarter to say something closer to the current release which is 5.3.14.
>>> While Debian may upgrade sooner, Centos is unlikely to change anytime soon[actually, Centos default to 5.1.6 - but 5.3 is available]
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> On Jul 6, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Rouven Weßling wrote:
> Well Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (server is supported until 2015) only has 5.3.2.
> Going up to 5.3.2 doesn't give us any immediate benefits, so we might as
> well support 5.3.1.
> For those interested, we could simplify a bit of platform code by going to
> 5.3.3 (very little) or 5.3.6 (a bit more).
> Best regards
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> On 06.07.2012, at 17:38, Gary Mort wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, elin <elin.war...@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'elin.war...@gmail.com');>
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>> That's my memory also. So it should be specified although I think it
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>> 5.3.14.
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>> Well Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (server is supported until 2015) only has 5.3.2. Going up to 5.3.2 doesn't give us any immediate benefits, so we might as well support 5.3.1.
>> For those interested, we could simplify a bit of platform code by going to 5.3.3 (very little) or 5.3.6 (a bit more).
>> Best regards
>> Rouven
>> On 06.07.2012, at 17:38, Gary Mort wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, elin <elin.war...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> That's my memory also. So it should be specified although I think it would be smarter to say something closer to the current release which is 5.3.14.
>>> While Debian may upgrade sooner, Centos is unlikely to change anytime soon[actually, Centos default to 5.1.6 - but 5.3 is available]
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> My point was more that XAMPP is a very popular way to get web servers set > up locally for inexperienced people so that would just add one more hurdle.
>> On Jul 6, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Rouven Weßling wrote:
>> Well Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (server is supported until 2015) only has 5.3.2. >> Going up to 5.3.2 doesn't give us any immediate benefits, so we might as >> well support 5.3.1.
>> For those interested, we could simplify a bit of platform code by going >> to 5.3.3 (very little) or 5.3.6 (a bit more).
>> Best regards
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>> On 06.07.2012, at 17:38, Gary Mort wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, elin <elin.war...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> That's my memory also. So it should be specified although I think it >>> would be smarter to say something closer to the current release which is >>> 5.3.14.
>> While Debian may upgrade sooner, Centos is unlikely to change anytime >> soon[actually, Centos default to 5.1.6 - but 5.3 is available]
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> Andrea you're out of date. According to their web site the current PHP version that XAMPP uses is 5.3.8
> On Monday, 9 July 2012 13:19:21 UTC+1, Andrea Tarr wrote:
> My point was more that XAMPP is a very popular way to get web servers set up locally for inexperienced people so that would just add one more hurdle.
>> On Jul 6, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Rouven Weßling wrote:
>>> Well Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (server is supported until 2015) only has 5.3.2. Going up to 5.3.2 doesn't give us any immediate benefits, so we might as well support 5.3.1.
>>> For those interested, we could simplify a bit of platform code by going to 5.3.3 (very little) or 5.3.6 (a bit more).
>>> Best regards
>>> Rouven
>>> On 06.07.2012, at 17:38, Gary Mort wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, elin <elin.war...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> That's my memory also. So it should be specified although I think it would be smarter to say something closer to the current release which is 5.3.14.
>>>> While Debian may upgrade sooner, Centos is unlikely to change anytime soon[actually, Centos default to 5.1.6 - but 5.3 is available]
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Wow - strange that their OSX version is so far behind their windows version. And looking at their beta announcement today they are only updating windows and linux releases
> Andrea you're out of date. According to their web site the current PHP > version that XAMPP uses is 5.3.8
> On Monday, 9 July 2012 13:19:21 UTC+1, Andrea Tarr wrote:
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>>> On Jul 6, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Rouven Weßling wrote:
>>> Well Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (server is supported until 2015) only has 5.3.2. >>> Going up to 5.3.2 doesn't give us any immediate benefits, so we might as >>> well support 5.3.1.
>>> For those interested, we could simplify a bit of platform code by going >>> to 5.3.3 (very little) or 5.3.6 (a bit more).
>>> Best regards
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>>> On 06.07.2012, at 17:38, Gary Mort wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, elin <elin.war...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> That's my memory also. So it should be specified although I think it >>>> would be smarter to say something closer to the current release which is >>>> 5.3.14.
>>> While Debian may upgrade sooner, Centos is unlikely to change anytime >>> soon[actually, Centos default to 5.1.6 - but 5.3 is available]
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Regarding XAMPP, I recently searched their forum regarding this and I read at least once that OSX support has been paused, don't know if there are technical reasons or if there is a maintainer missing. I think I will switch to MAMP if there is no more progress.
Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2012 00:36:13 UTC+2 schrieb brian teeman:
> Wow - strange that their OSX version is so far behind their windows > version. And looking at their beta announcement today they are only > updating windows and linux releases
> On Monday, 9 July 2012 23:31:01 UTC+1, Andrea Tarr wrote:
>> On Jul 9, 2012, at 8:28 AM, brian teeman wrote:
>> Andrea you're out of date. According to their web site the current PHP >> version that XAMPP uses is 5.3.8
>> On Monday, 9 July 2012 13:19:21 UTC+1, Andrea Tarr wrote:
>>> My point was more that XAMPP is a very popular way to get web servers >>> set up locally for inexperienced people so that would just add one more >>> hurdle.
>>>> On Jul 6, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Rouven Weßling wrote:
>>>> Well Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (server is supported until 2015) only has 5.3.2. >>>> Going up to 5.3.2 doesn't give us any immediate benefits, so we might as >>>> well support 5.3.1.
>>>> For those interested, we could simplify a bit of platform code by going >>>> to 5.3.3 (very little) or 5.3.6 (a bit more).
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Rouven
>>>> On 06.07.2012, at 17:38, Gary Mort wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, elin <elin.war...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> That's my memory also. So it should be specified although I think it >>>>> would be smarter to say something closer to the current release which is >>>>> 5.3.14.
>>>> While Debian may upgrade sooner, Centos is unlikely to change anytime >>>> soon[actually, Centos default to 5.1.6 - but 5.3 is available]
>>>> I'd say when making suggestions, check the repositories and link to the >>>> trusted additional repos with later versions of PHP....
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> Regarding XAMPP, I recently searched their forum regarding this and I read at least once that OSX support has been paused, don't know if there are technical reasons or if there is a maintainer missing. I think I will switch to MAMP if there is no more progress.
> Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2012 00:36:13 UTC+2 schrieb brian teeman:
> Wow - strange that their OSX version is so far behind their windows version. And looking at their beta announcement today they are only updating windows and linux releases
> On Monday, 9 July 2012 23:31:01 UTC+1, Andrea Tarr wrote:
> Not of Mac OS X 64:
>> Andrea you're out of date. According to their web site the current PHP version that XAMPP uses is 5.3.8
>> On Monday, 9 July 2012 13:19:21 UTC+1, Andrea Tarr wrote:
>> My point was more that XAMPP is a very popular way to get web servers set up locally for inexperienced people so that would just add one more hurdle.
>>> On Jul 6, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Rouven Weßling wrote:
>>>> Well Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (server is supported until 2015) only has 5.3.2. Going up to 5.3.2 doesn't give us any immediate benefits, so we might as well support 5.3.1.
>>>> For those interested, we could simplify a bit of platform code by going to 5.3.3 (very little) or 5.3.6 (a bit more).
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Rouven
>>>> On 06.07.2012, at 17:38, Gary Mort wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, elin <elin.war...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> That's my memory also. So it should be specified although I think it would be smarter to say something closer to the current release which is 5.3.14.
>>>>> While Debian may upgrade sooner, Centos is unlikely to change anytime soon[actually, Centos default to 5.1.6 - but 5.3 is available]
>>>>> I'd say when making suggestions, check the repositories and link to the trusted additional repos with later versions of PHP....
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I would interpret those numbers to represent "existing sites running 5.3" rather than "versions hosts will make available to users for their site." In many cases, a user might have to specifically ask for 5.3, but it should be available at most hosts. (Admittedly, I have no evidence to back that claim.)
Was noticing the other day that the Auro Project requires PHP 5.4. Symfony requires PHP 5.3.2.
Remembering that this is an N.0 release and that the requirements started with will continue through the long-term release with 3.5, it makes good sense, in my opinion, to go with 5.3.
PHP 5.2.14 was released August 2010 as the last release for that version. http://www.php.net/archive/2010.php#id2010-07-22-1 We always encourage users to stay up-to-date with Joomla versions, so, it only seems fitting that we do the same with system requirements.
Also, WP was late adopting 5 and Drupal early and pushing others that direction. I would assume Drupal were releasing at the same time as Joomla, I would expect them to adopt 5.3 as a minimum. (Well, they'd have too since it's required by Symfony.)
For those Joomla users who cannot switch (and I hope they are rare and would first reconsider their hosting arrangement), there still is 2.5. Maybe that's a point to add to the marketing to differentiate between the releases.
I think it's important to move forward. If 5.4 were the requirement, then I'd say Joomla might end up alienating users, but 5.3 should be okay.
On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:03:40 PM UTC-4, Amy Stephen wrote:
> I would interpret those numbers to represent "existing sites running 5.3" > rather than "versions hosts will make available to users for their site." > In many cases, a user might have to specifically ask for 5.3, but it should > be available at most hosts. (Admittedly, I have no evidence to back that > claim.)
> Was noticing the other day that the Auro Project requires PHP 5.4. Symfony > requires PHP 5.3.2.
> Remembering that this is an N.0 release and that the requirements started > with will continue through the long-term release with 3.5, it makes good > sense, in my opinion, to go with 5.3.
> PHP 5.2.14 was released August 2010 as the last release for that version. > http://www.php.net/archive/2010.php#id2010-07-22-1 We always encourage > users to stay up-to-date with Joomla versions, so, it only seems fitting > that we do the same with system requirements.
> Also, WP was late adopting 5 and Drupal early and pushing others that > direction. I would assume Drupal were releasing at the same time as Joomla, > I would expect them to adopt 5.3 as a minimum. (Well, they'd have too since > it's required by Symfony.)
> For those Joomla users who cannot switch (and I hope they are rare and > would first reconsider their hosting arrangement), there still is 2.5. > Maybe that's a point to add to the marketing to differentiate between the > releases.
> I think it's important to move forward. If 5.4 were the requirement, then > I'd say Joomla might end up alienating users, but 5.3 should be okay.
> On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:48:36 AM UTC-5, Steve wrote:
>> Apologies if this has already been answered, but won't the minimum specs >> make it hard to encourage people to update any time soon?
>> Only just over 30% of hosting companies are on PHP 5.3:
