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Sam
Except that is not what the story of Zalmoxis says at all. Herodotos 4.95
tells the earliest story of Zalmoxis. He does not die, and he does not rise
from the dead. Instead, he goes into a cave for three years and lived there
while some of his followers thought he was dead (ἐν ᾧ δὲ ἐποίεε τὰ
καταλεχθέντα καὶ ἔλεγε ταῦτα, ἐν τούτῳ κατάγαιον οἴκημα ἐποιέετο. ὡς δέ οἱ
παντελέως εἶχε τὸ οἴκημα, ἐκ μὲν τῶν Θρηίκων ἠφανίσθη, καταβὰς δὲ κάτω ἐς τὸ
κατάγαιον οἴκημα διαιτᾶτο ἐπ᾽ ἔτεα τρία., 4.95.4). This is a standard
Pythagorean method of gaining wisdom, and one needs to keep in mind that
this is Herodotos writing about foreign peoples of whom he had little direct
knowledge. Diogenes Laertius (8.41, using 3rd c. B.C. Hermippos as a source)
told a very similar story about Pythagoras going down into a cave in order
to (falsely, according to Hermippos) gain wisdom. These stories contain no
hint of coming back from the dead at all. They are simply tales of
individuals entering the earth to better gain knowledge and power from
underworld deities, a common theme in the Pythagorean tradition. This is the
same reason why we find lead curse tablets buried in the ground. It's an
attempt to access underworld power, and there is no connection to dying on
earth, being raised from the dead on earth, and physically visiting their
disciples on earth as Carrier asserts.
Romulus' return is not described by Plutarch as resurrection (Plut.
'Romulus, 26-28). He disappeared in a storm. Then he was seen later by a
senator, who was informed that Romulus took them form of the god Quirinus.
The problem with Plutarch's story is that Quirinus does not seem to have
been worshipped until the 3rd c. B.C., putting him four centuries after the
supposed existence of Romulus. This is compounded by Plutarch writing in the
late first and early 2nd. c. A.D. Not only is there nothing in the story to
suggest that Romulus came back from the dead, Plutarch's story is so late
(800+ years from a period when the Romans did not keep records) and based on
such flimsy evidence that one needs to be extremely careful with taking it
as authoritative.
Lucas
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