Make an Appointment

[artie]

OK. Here is a project that we can all work on together at our own pace
with minimum stress. Everyone is welcome to try this exercise. The
objective is to make an appointment and keep it. We will evaluate this
project on how often we were able to meet our objectives and how
precisely. If there are problems we can evaluate each of those
individually and learn how to improve.

I want to meet Illya today at 8 GMT. I am at CST which is -4 GMT. Now
what do I do? Just subtract 4 hours from 8 GMT? That would be 4 pm
CST?

Is there anyone who would like to make an appointment with me for
tomarrow?

[artie]

Well, I put 8 GMT into google and it took me to a converter. I put 8
GMT into the converter and converted it to -5 GMT (I'm not even sure
that is my correct zone). Anyway, it said that if I want to meet Illya
at 8 GMT today, I needed to be there yesterday!

[Mary-Doug Wright]

Artie - thanks for the laugh before I start on a contract that's just
come in! There are many times in my life that I have that feeling -
needing to be there yesterday...

Signing off to get some work done,
Mary-Doug (who is now looking out at the sunshine after the downpours
of yesterday and last night)

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:56 PM, artie <artistsf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, I put 8 GMT into google and it took me to a converter. I put 8
> GMT into the converter and converted it to -5 GMT (I'm not even sure
> that is my correct zone). Anyway, it said that if I want to meet Illya
> at 8 GMT today, I needed to be there yesterday!
>

--
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[Barbara Dieu]

World Clock works perfectly for me :-)
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
B.

--
Barbara Dieu
http://dekita.org
http://beespace.net

[artie]

Damn! That's another meeting I've missed.

[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

It's in 3 min. Come and join!

--
Nellie Deutsch
Doctoral Student
Educational Leadership
Curriculum and Instruction
http://www.nelliemuller.com
http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd
http://www.building-relationship.com/education
http://blendedlear.ning.com

[artie]

Let me see if I can get elluminate to come up on this machine. I have gmail chat too so if anybody wants to pop over my way come on by.

2008/8/27 NELLIE DEUTSCH <nellie.mul...@gmail.com>

[artie]

I don't have a mic

2008/8/27 artie <artistsf...@gmail.com>

[artie]

That's great. But how do you use it?

2008/8/27 Barbara Dieu <beeo...@gmail.com>

[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

Hard without a mike...:)

[artie]

Well, at least you tried! that was fun to watch you talking. First I thought "What is someone else online?" Then you look down at the text box and see me babbling to myself and cracked a grin. lol

2008/8/27 NELLIE DEUTSCH <nellie.mul...@gmail.com>

[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

I was surprised that you got there so fast. I kept wondering who was going to get the magic stick first. :)

[artie]

well, you tell em all that I beat em to it. :)

2008/8/27 NELLIE DEUTSCH <nellie.mul...@gmail.com>

[artie]

I have attended my first FOC meeting. It was excruciating.

2008/8/27 artie <artistsf...@gmail.com>

[artie]

World Clock works perfectly for me :-)
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
B.

Bee - That's great. But how do you use it?

[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

Artie,
Sorry, you didn't have a mic or audio. But, I think you enjoyed using the whiteboard.

[mireille massue]

 hi Nellie and everyone

 

I got cut off when you put your image on the white board.

 

I hope the rest of the session went well

 

thank you to all of you who shared your experiences with blogging.  I have a lot to learn

 

Mireille

---

From: facilitating-on...@googlegroups.com [mailto:facilitating-on...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of NELLIE DEUTSCH
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:00 PM
To: facilitating-on...@googlegroups.com
Subject: ::{{FOC}}:: Re: Make an Appointment

[mireille massue]

 

 hi Nellie and everyone

 

I got cut off when you put your image on the white board.

 

I hope the rest of the session went well

 

thank you to all of you who shared your experiences with blogging.  I have a lot to learn

 

Mireille

 

---

From: facilitating-on...@googlegroups.com [mailto:facilitating-on...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of NELLIE DEUTSCH
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:00 PM
To: facilitating-on...@googlegroups.com
Subject: ::{{FOC}}:: Re: Make an Appointment

[Vida Thompson]

Hi all,
Great talking to you & would like to do it again. I thought Artie did very well on the white board. It was interesting to hear about blogs & facebook, & which people preferred to use. Thanks for inviting me.
Cheers,
Vida


>>> "NELLIE DEUTSCH" <nellie.mul...@gmail.com> 08/28/08 11:00 AM >>>

[Vida Thompson]

So did I Mireille. Great talking to you.
Cheers,
Vida

>>> "mireille massue" <mirei...@gmail.com> 08/28/08 11:02 AM >>>

hi Nellie and everyone

I got cut off when you put your image on the white board.

I hope the rest of the session went well

thank you to all of you who shared your experiences with blogging. I have a
lot to learn

Mireille

_____

From: facilitating-on...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:facilitating-on...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
NELLIE DEUTSCH
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:00 PM
To: facilitating-on...@googlegroups.com
Subject: ::{{FOC}}:: Re: Make an Appointment

:-)http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

Sorry, Mireille, Vida, and Artie,
We timed out. I forgot to add more time to the session.

It won't happen again. I hope. :)

Nellie

[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

Hi Artie, Vida, and Mireille,
Thank you for joining the chat on wiziq. It was fun.
I added you to my google chat so we can have instant messaging available.

Warm wishes,
Nellie

[Vida Thompson]

Cool. thanks.
Cheers,
Vida

>>> "NELLIE DEUTSCH" <nellie.mul...@gmail.com> 08/28/08 11:23 AM >>>

[Vida Thompson]

I thought that is what happened as I tried to go back in & it wouldn't let me. Great to talk to you though.
Cheers,
Vida

>>> "NELLIE DEUTSCH" <nellie.mul...@gmail.com> 08/28/08 11:17 AM >>>

Sorry, Mireille, Vida, and Artie,
We timed out. I forgot to add more time to the session.

It won't happen again. I hope. :)

Nellie

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:02 PM, mireille massue <mirei...@gmail.com>wrote:

> hi Nellie and everyone
> I got cut off when you put your image on the white board.
>
> I hope the rest of the session went well
>
> thank you to all of you who shared your experiences with blogging. I have
> a lot to learn
>
> Mireille
>

> ------------------------------
> *From:* facilitating-on...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> facilitating-on...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *NELLIE
> DEUTSCH
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:00 PM
> *To:* facilitating-on...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* ::{{FOC}}:: Re: Make an Appointment

[Barbara Dieu]

Ladies,
Thank you for letting everyone follow the text chat of your lively exchange on wiziq on the gmail message board.  However, please remember to remove all  that is not pertinent to the message itself (all the trailing tail of previous messages - those who read this digest do not appreciate getting the long string of short replies followed by kms of other answers).

Not sure everyone appreciates the mail flood in their inboxes but it gives folks an idea of the exchange and "the fun" you experienced. Could you now tell us in more sustained prose narrative what_ you_ have_ learnt?

 [ teacher adjusts silver-rimmed spectacles on tip of the nose and sighs]

Warm regards from Brazil :-)
Bee

[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

Hi Bee,
Points well taken, Bee. Thank you for making them and helping me learn how others feel. One person's fun may not be so much fun for another. Here is the recording. You may wait a while because I also waited before people turn up. I suggest you move the bar along to get to the conversation.

Warm wishes,
Nellie

[artie]

If we are going to do any evaluation, I think that we should recap the
objective. The objective (in the first post) was that I was supposed
to meet Illya at 8 GMT. Since I was the one who was supposed to
produce can we have someone other than myself evaluate my performance?
Did I make the appointment? How do you know? Did Illya show up? Were
we both there on time? Was anyone late? or early? If anything in this
project failed, what was it and why? You might want to ask Illya and
myself some questions and gather more information.

[Barbara Dieu]

Maybe each one of you should post  about your personal experience in your blogs :-)
B.

[artie]

This is a project in appointment making. Maybe you should get your own
thread?

[Barbara Dieu]

I am sorry, Artie. I reacted on the spur of the moment and did not notice appointment making was the project. I  thought you were interacting on this week's topic  teaching/facilitating and moderating.  I will not interfere any longer.
Peace and love,
Bee

[Illya Arnet-Clark]

I'm sorry everyone
It seems that I made a rather unforgivable mistake! I meant 20gmt this evening! Forgot the pm there.

I hope there will a few people will be able to meet then too - very sorry!

So to make things clear once again, I'll be in Elluminate at 20gmt today the 28th August.

Illya

[Illya Arnet-Clark]

And here's the time converter: 

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=28&month=8&year=2008&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=0

Illya

[cristina costa]

Hi Guys,
sorry that I have been so quiet - still struggling with the pile of emails.

I will be available tomorrow evening my time (around 2100 GMT) for a meeting if anyone is interested.
I still haven't tried Elluminate in this course (still need to dig for the Link).
If there is anyone who's having troubles using elluminate we can also try something else like google talk or something (I think someone has already suggested that)
Just let me know! I'd love to meet some of the FOC participants synchronously 
Cris
Cristina Costa
Site: www.knowmansland.com
Blog: hppt://knowmansland.com/learningpath
Skype: navysternchen
Twitter: cristinacost

[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

If I survive my online session with over 1,000 participants, I will be there.

[cristina costa]

Illya,

If I get home in time, I will join you.
can u give me the link again!
thanks
cris

[artie]

Thanks for saying so, Bee. I was a little confused but I usually am always a little confused on the Internet. I have made the same little mistakes like that one and will probably make more again in the future of this course. It's all too much to try to understand. But accept my apologies in advance of any future misunderstandings.

 

Bee, I still need to read your blog from FOC07. Can you give me a quick guided tour of your FOC blogging?

 

[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

Hi Bee,
I think what may be reacting for one, may be learning for another. I love people who are spontaneous. Being natural give flavor to the community makes the community/group experience more authentic and family-like.

Thank you.
Nellie

[vcautin]

Hi!

I've been reading the emails, but still don't quite understand what you're doing.  Are you trying to explore how difficult it is to set appointments across time zones?

Violeta

2008/8/28 cristina costa <cristi...@gmail.com>

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Iquique, Chile

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Facebook: Violeta Cautin Epifani

[Barbara Dieu]

> I have made the same little mistakes like that one and will probably make more again in the future of this course.

We all make mistakes and this is how we learn :-)

> Bee, I still need to read your blog from FOC07. Can you give me a quick guided tour of your FOC blogging?

I am not sure I understand your request or your role. I do not have
much information about you either but let me clarify my own position
so as to dismiss any hasty assumptions.

I have joined this online workshop as a dilettante not as a full
participant looking for a certificate nor with the aim of belonging
to/creating a community or becoming a member of a club. I have not
yet blogged on the topics required but have been following some of the
posts. I have been interacting a bit on this message board, talking to
some people here and there and contributing with some of the readings
to the course. I will do my best to lend a hand to whoever needs it.

This said and explained, on my feet and off to the FILE exhibition (
Festival Internacional de Linguagem Eletrônica - International
Festival of Electronic Language)
http://www.sesisp.org.br/home/2006/centrocultural/Prog_expo.asp

Warm regards from Brazil,

[artie]

OK. Thanks everybody. This is a little project in how to make appointments. The idea is to set an appointment with one other person and evaluate the performance of the objective. Here is the situation. Artie wants to meet with another member. Artie is missing appointments. What is causing the problem?

 

Let's take a look at the simple mechanics of appointment making and learn about Illya and Artie's attempt meet.

 

Here is the link to the original post: http://groups.google.com/group/facilitating-online-communities/msg/dcaf7f95a58ffe90

 

Illya announced to everyone a planned meeting. Now Artie decided to turn it into a personal appointment with Illya. Did Artie go through the correct mechanics of appointment making? What about Illya? Did they connect?

 

What I am attempting to do is learn all of the basic mechanics of meeting with one other person online. After I have learned how to meet with each individual, I can then proceed to planning meetings.

 

So what are the customary procedures for making and keeping appointments?

 

Your role is to evaluate the situation and determine whether the objective was met or not and why or why not the objective was met.

[Illya Arnet-Clark]

Hi Artie

Be prepared, I'm going to diverge!

It seems that you and I are similar in at least one way. I see that you are trying to make order in what seems to be chaos (please correct me if I'm wrong). I also have this urge in situations where I feel overwhelmed and especially because I am by nature a chaotic person.

The means of making order are many, and you have found your own way of doing this, and I hope it helps you.
However, following the discussions about time (blush - that's a tough one!), clubs and appointment-making tasks I now feel that I need to make order in my thoughts. This is because I don't see the immediate relation to the topic of the course. Not because of your ideas per  se, but because of the weight they have been given. Here is my attempt at order.


I chose to be on this course in the knowledge that it is based in New Zealand, and I'm about as far away as is possible to get physically. However, the decision was made because I don't see time as being a major hurdle, and obviously this is the case with the course management, otherwise there would have been restrictions on who could join, or organisations of different areas. In fact, I was very much looking forward to being on a course with so many people from so many different areas of the world.

This takes me to your appointment-making. It seems that I misunderstood your intention when I set up a time. I felt you wanted to compare notes on blogging and maybe learn something new. I didn't realize that you had other aims in mind. I was acting on a suggestion from Leigh, thinking, "Hey, he's right. Here we are going around in circles with an idea to meet outside the scheduled meetings, so it's time to get concrete."

And no, we- Artie and I- didn't meet (my apologies here in case anyone missed them before!) because I had made the very silly mistake of not adding pm (see Bee's link: http://twinsite2000.tripod.com/ .

I also didn't intend it to be a planned "meeting", but an invitation to get together synchronously. Here once again language challenges us. What's the difference?  I see a meeting as something formal, something commital. Now I am the only person who has commited myself at this point (though to the wrong time) to be in a certain place at a certain time.

I'd still be pleased to meet up today.

I would also like to return to the task of looking at facilitating. I see one of the jobs of an online  facilitator as setting up possibilities for people to meet. This in my eyes includes supplying opportunities for people from the different times and areas to be involved, be it synchronously or asynchronously, and to encourage these same people to take initiative to find their own means of continuing communication. It may be that people will organize themselves into groups according to time available for synchronous communication, but there are other equally viable possiblities.

So, there's my attempt at order. It's all a learning process and I sometimes find my brain smoking while I take in new ways of thinking and perceiving.

As an answer to another question of Artie's, there is an easy way of making contact with others. You can see when someone last sent a post. I would assume that anyone who has done so very recently (within the last 30 minutes) is likely to be online still. You can easily invite someone to a chat.

Feel free to try it out with me if you like :-)

Illya

[artie]

Hi Illya,

 

I'm glad you showed up because it might be better for us to evaluate using a dialogue form. My understanding is that we are to organize a conference. A conference is an organization of discussions and meetings and variations of those same. It seems to me that if we are going to organize a conference that we should lead into it with many small group meetings, and it seems to me that since meeting online is so generally thought to be a complicated affair, that we should get everyone (or at least myself) up to par with the needed skills. Learning about how to make and keep an appointment with one person seems like a good place to begin.

 

In the course of the next few weeks I would like to get a better understanding of the individual time that each participant is functioning in and how those times relate to eachother.

 

Now about our appointment. This is my perspective on how it went down. You made a general announcement to continue developing the BlogShop project by meeting at 8 GMT. I thought to myself, "good chance to meet up with Illya". The next thing I did was that I started a new thread about meeting with you and how to convert the time. This was probably not a correct procedure.

 

What's the correct or customary procedure for making an appointment?

 

[Illya Arnet-Clark]

Hi Violeta
I'm not quite sure if you're joking or not.

If you are, I find that very funny indeed :-)
and if you are not, that's certainly not my intention.
First and foremost, I'd like to meet others informally.
The reason I suggested we meet was actually in response to Artie, who suggested looking at blogs together.

Who knows what will happen or even if anyone will turn up to join me (would serve me right for mixing up the times!)

I hope I have a chance to meet you synchronously as well.

Illya

[artie]

We've got to stop meeting like this.

On 28/08/2008, Illya Arnet-Clark <illya...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Illya Arnet-Clark]

I'm in Elluminate if you want to join me

[artie]

I have a problem over here and am trying to figure it out. My objective in this thread is not to just meet people for the sake of meeting but to learn all aspects of keeping an appointment. I am concentrating on the possible solutions.  :)

[artie]

UPDATE:

OK. I think I have made a tiny bit of progress on this. Illya called
for a "meeting". I turned it into a personal "appointment" with Illya.
But I never even asked Illya for the appointment. So Illya had no idea
that we even had an appointment. I think that's where I went wrong.
After that, it was all downhill. :(

On Aug 28, 3:12 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a problem over here and am trying to figure it out. My objective in
> this thread is not to just meet people for the sake of meeting but to learn
> all aspects of keeping an appointment. I am concentrating on the possible
> solutions. :)
>

> On 28/08/2008, Illya Arnet-Clark <illya.ar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm in Elluminate if you want to join me
>

> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:41 PM, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> We've got to stop meeting like this.
>

> >> On 28/08/2008, Illya Arnet-Clark <illya.ar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Hi Violeta
> >>> I'm not quite sure if you're joking or not.
>
> >>> If you are, I find that very funny indeed :-)
> >>> and if you are not, that's certainly not my intention.
> >>> First and foremost, I'd like to meet others informally.
> >>> The reason I suggested we meet was actually in response to Artie, who
> >>> suggested looking at blogs together.
>
> >>> Who knows what will happen or even if anyone will turn up to join me
> >>> (would serve me right for mixing up the times!)
>
> >>> I hope I have a chance to meet you synchronously as well.
>
> >>> Illya
>

> >>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 3:08 PM, vcautin <violeta.cau...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>> Hi!
>
> >>>> I've been reading the emails, but still don't quite understand what
> >>>> you're doing. Are you trying to explore how difficult it is to set
> >>>> appointments across time zones?
>
> >>>> Violeta
>

> >>>> 2008/8/28 cristina costa <cristinac...@gmail.com>

[artie]

I spent the better part of last week in close examination of the
process I am going through in learning the "Making and Keeping
Appointments Online" project.

I began by making an ordinal list of all of the steps that are
normally taken when arranging an appointment. I thought that it would
be a very short list. Was I in for a surprise! Here is the list I came
up with:

Ask for the appointment
Agree to meet
Discuss the purpose
Look at optional times to meet - (Online appointments involve a whole
separate skill of transposing time zones so I suggest a "Clocks and
Time" workshop be integrated into "Arranging Appointments.)
Discuss possible contingencies
Discard unsuitable options
Limit the options
Choose and agree upon a time
Tentative dates
Log the time of appointment on calender
Confirm the time
Contact through contingencies, postponements and cancellations
Call ahead to reaffirm the appointment
Change appointment if necessary
Prepare for the appointment
Get there early
Keep the appointment on time!

Then I thought about how I acquired these skills and I was even more
surprised at how long it took me to learn all of this! I think back to
the first appointments I ever made in my professional life. What
disasters! I had never been in a club or had any formal training so I
just had to pick it up, bit by bit. Here is my story.

I had been making appointments for a little while. I would get the
appointment and remember it. As you can guess I was not very
dependable. I made it to some and missed others. I began getting more
and more appointments which vied for my attention and that made it
hard to remember my ever increasing appointments.

Then I made an appointment with a prominent lawyer on the phone, and
missed it. About a week later I bumped into this person accidentally
and thought about the appointment. I thought "Good! Now we can make
that appointment again!" So I said "Hi. We still need to meet!" It
shocked me when he said "I wouldn't let you water my lawn!" and walked
away from me.

That night my Fairy Godmother came in a dream and said "An appointment
is your word."

"I thought that I could remember my appointments."

"Make a note of each appointment."

OK, so I did that. I wrote the appointments down and I improved at
keeping my appointments. This was a period of weeks of learning.

One day I met an important new client on our second appointment. I got
there and he grumbled "Why can't people be on time?" I was late.

That night my Fairy Godmother came to me in a dream and said,

"You need to make those appointments on time! People start wondering
whether you're going to be there about an hour before the appointment.
How can anyone have faith in you if you don't do what you say you will
do? You should be thinking about each appointment an hour beforehand.
And instead of being on time, get there at least 5 minutes early."

That seemed like a good idea. So I vowed to always get to an
appointment well in advance. To accomplish this purpose I made a habit
of previewing my appointments regularly. I would review the coming
months, weeks, days and hours. I learned to preview every evening and
every morning. But this habit took time and effort also.

One day I was on my way to an appointment and got a flat tire! I was
out messing with my tire and missing my appointment.

That night my Fairy Godmother comes to me and was she pissed!

"Where's that money you owe me?" she demanded.

She had been charging me for this counsel and I had gotten behind on
my bill. You see, I planned to pay my bill with the money I would
receive at the missed appointment. I was going to make my defense when
she interrupted me...

"Don't tell me. You missed an appointment." as she knocked me upside
the head with a thimble.

"Yeah. But I had a flat tire. How was I going to get there?" I said.

"Contingencies" she fired back "You must plan for contingencies!" she
roared.

"Yeah, but I called and changed the appointment for tomorrow" I said.

Suddenly her fiery visage calmed and she said, "That's good because
it's not bad and that's a good thing!"

Within a few years, I had built an excellent reputation as being very
dependable and people were referring me for my integrity. I owe it all
to the people who complained about me and to my Buddy, who helped me
in my purpose.

I went on repeating my training in this skill for three years and
thought I had it down pat, but still I needed to learn more. One day I
had a pack of appointments to keep. On the way out that morning I saw
a friend and pulled over to chat. I could spare a few minutes because
I always left for my appointments super early.

"Hey! What are you doing?" I yelled out my car window.

"Nothing. I got the day off!"

"Why don't you come with me today. I want to show you what I do on a
normal day."

"Great!"

So off we went to my first appointment, who didn't show up!

So we spent the hour drinking coffe and chatting while waiting to go
to my second appointment. That one went without a hitch and so on
through the day. My friend was happy to spend this time with me
because it added another dimension to our friendship.

The afternoon was wearing and we go to one of my final stops. The
client didn't show!

"Well. Let's get a coffee." My friend didn't mind but I sure did.

"These people are messing my day up!! I said

"Maybe a good idea would be to call in advance and reaffirm the
appointment?" my friend suggested, "especially new clients whom you
have not yet established well enough."

That made sense. It takes a couple of appointments to establish trust.
Now, in cases where trust is not yet established, I always call in
advance to be sure we are on. That way I don't spin my wheel over them
like people spun their wheels with me before I learned to respect an
appointment.

But look how much coordination is involved in such a simple skill!
Here it was three years after beginning to learn the skills of making
and keeping appointment and I was still having to develop better
habits. Three years to learn how to keep appointments?! Maybe you are
a quick learner, but still, it takes months, maybe a year or two to
become coordinated in this one simple communication art!

If there is any one skill that I am going to walk out of this FOC08
course with, it's the simple skills of being able to tell online time
and arrange online appointments. I am looking for Buddies who will
support me in my efforts. I am interested in making an appointment for
a complete tour of your FOC blog. Or just to talk about the FOC
course.

And my Fairy Godmother? What happened to her? Well, she ran off with a
gambler from Las Vegas and I haven't heard from her since.

Moral of the Story: These are simple skills. Maybe you are tempted to
laugh at such trivial matters, but the fact is that though we may be
skilled at telling offline time and in arranging offline appointments,
we may be very unskilled in telling online time and arranging online
appointments.

On Aug 28, 4:34 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> UPDATE:
>
> OK. I think I have made a tiny bit of progress on this. Illya called
> for a "meeting". I turned it into a personal "appointment" with Illya.

> But I never even asked Illya for theappointment. So Illya had no idea
> that we even had anappointment. I think that's where I went wrong.

> After that, it was all downhill. :(
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> On Aug 28, 3:12 pm, artie <artistsforanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I have a problem over here and am trying to figure it out. My objective in
> > this thread is not to just meet people for the sake of meeting but to learn

> > all aspects of keeping anappointment. I am concentrating on the possible

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[artie]

OK. Since I don't have a buddy and need to learn about clocks and time
and arranging appointments, I'm going to go ahead and do the Arranging
Appointments project by myself.

First, I will see if the time stamp on this post agrees with my
computer clock.

My clock says 14:43

[artie]

The time stamp of the previous post says sep 11, 2:43 pm so I'm in
synch.

Now I will make an appointment for tomorrow Sep 12 at 2:43 pm.

Let's see how close I get.

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[Leigh Blackall]

The time stamp for your email says 7:46 AM to me Artie.

I strongly suggest thinking about time in terms of Universal Time Code. Find out how many hours you are + or - UTC and then simply talk UTC time. You will have to include a link to a page that tells people how many hours they are + or - from UTC. I Reckon someone should make us a little screen recording on this very important skill.

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[artie]

That may as well do but there is more to this than just using the
world clock. If I have been 6 weeks into this course and just now know
what times the meetings are set for, and still don't have even the
slightest bit of experience in transposing time, then I suspect that
something else factors in here. I further suspect there are multiple
factors that need to be considered.

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[artie]

The time stamp of yesterday's post read 2:43 pm. My appointment is for today at 2:43 pm. Let's see if I made it on time.

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[artie]

Hello Cris,

 

I'd be interested in talking about the course assignments and conference using gmail chat and group chat. I would like to experiment with democratic decision making. Like you and I can elect a third member into our group and then the three of us can elect a fourth and so on.

 

:)

artie