Are there some lessons here for the DP project to automate this?
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This is exactly the anti-pattern we should be trying to discourage by
using standards like OAuth. It separates authentication and
authorization. As it is now, whatever service you give your credentials
to becomes you - and you're trusting them not to store/forward your
password and/or be malicious (delete your stuff). It's unnecessary and
unsafe.
Please don't continue to put your password in forms that ask for it.
You can help this group more by complaining loudly that asking for your
credentials is not the right way to do things.
Terrell
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Absolutely. Which is why GMail in particular (and the other webmail
services) should support oAuth. And the people building and selling
libraries to get that data should then support it.
So how exactly do you suggest getting people in GMail, Hotmail, AOL,
Yahoo to hear that message?
Whilst I am in vehement agreement with you, the reality is that most
users (and thus service providers) are *currently* not bothered by
such actions. Authentication credentials are handed over without a
moment's thought.
Every day I get an invite for yet another social network and rarely do
I see any support for standards by them. This long tail of niche
social networks also need some DP loving -- perhaps by way of better
libraries on the common platforms (php, python, ruby, &c.)?
In contrast, the long tail of instant messaging networks is seemingly
rather nicely united/federated behind the Jabber/XMPP front. Not sure
how they managed to pull that off? Perhaps it was a matter of timing?
I think it is important for us -- in terms of defining the technical
plug-and-play architecture -- to also bear in mind to keep the whole
thing really simple. So simple that developers should be able to start
adopting it overnight. So simple that our evangelical arm can pitch
with a singular message to both mainstream and technical audiences.
Can we manage that?
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Talk about it - make it a specific point - explain why it matters.
Build use cases where what they're currently doing is bad. Build use
cases where the flexibility of these new standards is obvious to people
who don't think about this stuff all the time.
And please stop giving out your password other places. :)
And they ARE moving on these things. It just takes time when you have
tons of users. It HAS to work when they flip the switch.
Terrell
I'd better state my position. I'm horribly schizophrenic about this.
In my day job I'm programing a social network and use an invite library
from Octazen to help new members find their friends already on the
system and to invite others. It does exactly this, take an ID and
password for all the major webmail systems and get a bunch of email
addresses back. It works really well.
In my lunchtime and night job, I'm doing everything I can to help the DP
cause. And demanding OpenID and oAuth on things like the OpenSocial
mailing lists.
I guess that's realpolitik, for you. It probably makes me evil, as well
;)
This use case is pretty much core to DP.
Only email addresses.
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Sorry, my other post was not the whole truth. You get name+email but
that's it.
Outlook CSV obviously has a lot more. Some of the services that export
Outlook CSV export some other fields. but what you get varies widely
between services.
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