In case anyone was starting to worry Microsoft was actually developing a clue
ZnU
s-free-online-office-suite/
"Despite what you�ve heard, the online version of Office 2010 announced
by Microsoft earlier this week won�t be free to corporate users"
"[T]hat largess doesn�t extend to business customers, who will either
have to pay a subscription fee or purchase corporate access licenses
(CALs) for Office in order to be given access to the online application
suite."
"A Microsoft spokesperson told me that customers will need to buy a
SharePoint server, which ranges from $4,400 plus CALs or $41,000, all
CALs included if they want to share documents using the online version
of Office 2010."
A free web-based version of Office looked like a way for Microsoft to
leverage its existing dominance of the office suite market into
dominance of cloud-based collaborative office document creation for the
next couple of decades. But this pricing model completely undermines
that.
I always assumed that Microsoft wanted to control the browser market so
they could manage the inevitable (at some point) large-scale transition
to web-based apps on their own terms, and dominate the browser platform
the way they dominate the desktop. But now they a) don't really seem
interested in aggressively competing in the web app market, and b) are
losing to browser market through incompetence.
It seems like maybe never really had any sort of coherent plan when they
knocked off Netscape and bundled IE; it was all just a desperate holding
action.
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Ezekiel
"ZnU" <z...@fake.invalid> wrote in message
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> http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10002712/the-hidden-cost-of-microsoft
> s-free-online-office-suite/
>
> "Despite what you�ve heard, the online version of Office 2010 announced
> by Microsoft earlier this week won�t be free to corporate users"
>
> "[T]hat largess doesn�t extend to business customers, who will either
> have to pay a subscription fee or purchase corporate access licenses
> (CALs) for Office in order to be given access to the online application
> suite."
>
> "A Microsoft spokesperson told me that customers will need to buy a
> SharePoint server, which ranges from $4,400 plus CALs or $41,000, all
> CALs included if they want to share documents using the online version
> of Office 2010."
>
> A free web-based version of Office looked like a way for Microsoft to
> leverage its existing dominance of the office suite market into
> dominance of cloud-based collaborative office document creation for the
> next couple of decades. But this pricing model completely undermines
> that.
I'm not defending the pricing but here's some data that adds more context
to this.
The corporate price to use the Google version of the on-line office suite
is $50/user per year. So if the MS version is $41k for unlimited CAL's then
it's cheaper than Google for companies with more than 800 users. The cost
of MS-Office also gives you working licenses until you want to upgrade.
With Google you pay every year and with the MS version a company could
realistically use the same version for several years.
Just in case you wanted to know.
Walter Bushell
ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> It seems like maybe never really had any sort of coherent plan when they
> knocked off Netscape and bundled IE; it was all just a desperate holding
> action.
They can't make a coherent GUI (or don't bother); so why expect a
coherent plan?
Snit
7/18/09 7:36 AM:
Hey, Office 2007 is pretty well thought out.
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zara
"ZnU" <z...@fake.invalid> wrote in message
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You should send them a resume. I'm sure they can use your genius to develop
a better business plan.
ZnU
"zara" <zara...@heddon.com> wrote:
There are already plenty of smart people working at Microsoft; there
just seems to be something deeply wrong with their corporate culture.
Walter Bushell
"zara" <zara...@heddon.com> wrote:
> > It seems like maybe never really had any sort of coherent plan when they
> > knocked off Netscape and bundled IE; it was all just a desperate holding
> > action.
>
> You should send them a resume. I'm sure they can use your genius to develop
> a better business plan.
I rather doubt it organizational inertia is too big for one person to
shift and if they wanted to shift, ZNU's probably far from the best
qualified.
Walter Bushell
ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
>
> There are already plenty of smart people working at Microsoft; there
> just seems to be something deeply wrong with their corporate culture.
Many people and companies would like to have their profits, however.
Hey I could live very well on 10% of Microsoft's profits.
zara
"ZnU" <z...@fake.invalid> wrote in message
A journey of a thousand miles, starts with a single step.
7
wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
> h
Well, can we dismiss the ZnU crap right away and do some
Linux perhaps?
How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with
3D translucent desktop like compiz and have
8 hour battery life. A lot better than any appil crap as well.
You can see the power of compiz on www.youtube.com
It free and it can be got working in something
as small as an Asus EEE netbook.
Using extlinux to convert a liveCD iso to bootable SD card
-------------------------------------------------------------
Converting an ISO file to a bootable USB stick or a bootable
SD Card for EEE is easy.
Without being able to convert a distro into a bootable USB flash /SD Card,
that distro can't be easily loaded into netbook like EEE
and stand to miss out on users installing it into netbooks.
So I would recommend all distro mainters look at their netbook
boot strategy and offer something to boot their distros
from USB flash and SD cards or miss out on users installing it into
netbooks.
Having done a few conversions, a pattern emerges that works well for
most syslinux / isolinux / extlinux based distros.
1. Put your SD card or USB flash drive into your desktop Linux PC and
���then�open�a�console�and�type�dmesg
���You�should�see�some�line�indicating�your�flash�drive�as
���being�picked�up�and�allocated�with�a�comment�like�sdc�/�sdc1�etc..
���Remember�both�names�-�the�first�is�/dev/sdc�which�is�your
���device�name,�and�the�second�is�/dev/sdc1�which�is�your�partition�name.
���(Don't�get�confused�between�drive�/dev/sdc�and�partition�/dev/sdc1
���or�your�drive�could�become�scrambled�eggs�later�on.�Also�remember
���it�may�be�called�sdg�or�sdh�etc�depending�what�you�see�when�you
���plug�in�device�and�type�dmesg)
2. Install gparted on your machine using synaptic.
���To�run�it�you�can�type
�����sudo�gparted
���in�a�console�window�and�select�on�the�right�side�the�drive�name�allocated
���in�step�1.�Right�click�on�the�bar�that�represents�the�partition
���and�click�on�manage�flags.
���Enable�the�boot�flag�and�click�OK.�This�makes�the�SD�Card�/�USB
���stick�bootable.
3. Format the partition /dev/sdc1 to ext2 linux format.
���This�format�is�not�directly�readable�under�WINDUMMY�Osen,�but�there
���are�free�drivers�for�it�-�try�for�example�www.fs-driver.org
���The�ext2�format�is�many�times�faster�than�windummy�FAT�so
���ditching�WINDUMMY�file�formats�is�advised.
4. Identify that you have syslinux or isolinux in your liveCD by
���opening�the�.ISO�file�in�archive�manager�and�checking�that�it�has
���isolinux�or�syslinux�directory�somewhere�in�the�liveCD.
���In�ubuntu,�the�root�directory�of�/dev/sdc1�will�not�be�writeable
���unless�you�are�in�super�user�mode.
���You�can�run
��������sudo�file-roller
���to�open�iso�files�like�xubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso�in�super�user
���mode�and�extract�all�the�files�in�the�iso�file
���to�the�/dev/sdc1�partition.
5. Go to the flash drive and locate the syslinux (or isolinux) directory.
���rename it to extlinux. Inside the now renamed extlinux directory will
���a�file�such�as�syslinux.cfg�or�isolinux.cfg.�Rename�that�to
���extlinux.conf
���
6. Get syslinux - this is a boot loader and menu system for FAT based
���file�systems.�Download�the�latest�version�from�here...
���http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/boot/syslinux/
���Unzip�it�and�go�to�the�extlinux�directory.
���On�my�machine�path�is�something�like�this....../syslinux/extlinux
���Run�the�program�there�by�typing�this�-�(note�this�command�is�updating
���the�partition�/dev/sdc1)
���./extlinux�--install�/dev/sdc1/extlinux�
���This�puts�a�new�file�into�your�SD�card�/�USB�flash�disk
7. from the extlinux directory change to the mbr directory
���cd�../mbr
���and�then�run�this�-�again�note�this�time�its�updating�the�device�by
���writing�data�to�the�first�sector�as�opposed�to�the�first�partition.
���sudo�cat�mbr.bin�>�/dev/sdc
���(Note�at�this�stage�you�may�need�to�do�some�of�the�sudo�commands�after
���entering�super�user�mode�to�make�it�work�properly.
���So�the�above�command�would�have�been�done�as�follows�in�Ubuntu.
���sudo�-s
���cat�mbr.bin�>�/dev/sdc
���)
���This�makes�the�card�bootable�and�useable�in�an�Asus�EEE�and�many�other
���PCs�with�SD�card�or�USB�flash�disk�boot�facility.
This method tested and works for
1. Ubuntu
2. Slax
3. Knoppix
4. Puppy
5. DSL
6. GParted
7. gOS
8. Dynabolic
9. MoonOS Kachana
10. Xubuntu
11. TinyOS (incredible distro!)
(Note the method does not work for .ISO files built with grub bootloader -
�need�a�different�install�method�with�grub�boot�loader�instead�of�syslinux.)
Try installing something powerful like Ubuntu on to a netbook
and see it take netbooks to new heights.
3D Translucent Cube Desktop
---------------------------
The latest EEE1000 has fast enough graphics for translucent
3D desktops. An easy way to do all this with Ubuntu is:
Install Ubuntu on EEE (compiz itself
appears to be installed by default in the default install),
then install compiz settings manager using Synaptic
which allows compiz to be fully 'exercised'.
And then do the following to get the 3D cube desktop
working...
�Go�to�General�>�Display�Settings�>�Lighting�and�turned�it�off
�Enable�Desktop�Cube�and�then�Desktop�Cube�>�Transparent�Cube�and�set�the
�two�opacity��settings�to�30%
�then�Desktop�Cube�>�Skydome�and�check�the�skydome�check�mark
�Enable�Rotate�Cube
�Enable�Enhanced�Zoom�Desktop
�Right�click�the�virtual�workspaces�panel�and�increase�the�number
�of�colums�to�8.
And hey presto - 100% 3D translucent desktop with 8 screens!!!!!!!!!!
�[Some�shortcuts�for�the�3D screen
��ctrl�+�alt�+�left�or�right�arrow�to�spin�cube
��ctrl�+�alt�+�down�arrow�and�then�left�or�right�arrow�for�a�ring�switcher
��super�+�E�for�yet�another�switcher
��super�+�mouse�wheel�scroll�to�zoom�in�and�out�of�the�3D�desktop.
�]
Reducing Font Sizes And Turning ON Sub Pixel Rendering
------------------------------------------------------
The EEE can be astonishingly good to look at once the
font size is reduced to about 8 and sub pixel rendering
is turned ON. It is still absolutely
readable and everything appeared like a 'full screen' miniature
desktop equivalent of a big desktop PC.
System > Appearance > Fonts get to the font settings
in Ubuntu. On software like firefox and some other applications,
need to also to set local use of fonts ( Edit > Preferences > Content
will have font settings for firefox that also need to be changed).
VirtualBox
----------
Yes! VirtualBox can run on Ubutu set up with 3D translucent desktop.
http://www.virtualbox.org
Install virtual box and then install programs like windopws XP and run
it pretty much at it would run on a normal netbook. Its hard to tell
if the netbook is running Linux or the WINDUMMY OSen when the software
is run full screen becaue the speed and responsiveness is about
the same between a real windummy OSen install and a virtual box
virtual machine running it all in Linux.
Jerry McBride
Yeah... by a mad man... or mad men...
Hmmm... how would you say that in Hindi?
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Snit
AM:
> Snit wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Walter Bushell stated in post proto-6D51A9....@news.panix.com
>> on 7/18/09 7:36 AM:
>>
>>> In article <znu-9E1A4D.1...@Port80.Individual.NET>,
>>> ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It seems like maybe never really had any sort of coherent plan when they
>>>> knocked off Netscape and bundled IE; it was all just a desperate holding
>>>> action.
>>>
>>> They can't make a coherent GUI (or don't bother); so why expect a
>>> coherent plan?
>>
>> Hey, Office 2007 is pretty well thought out.
>>
>>
>
> Yeah... by a mad man... or mad men...
>
> Hmmm... how would you say that in Hindi?
>
>
Seriously, while there are problems with it, overall it is different than
other interfaces and works well for programs with many functions... and also
ones with fewer.
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Snit
11:08 AM:
> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock ZnU
> wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
>
>
>> h
>
>
> Well, can we dismiss the ZnU crap right away and do some
> Linux perhaps?
>
> How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with
> 3D translucent desktop like compiz and have
> 8 hour battery life. A lot better than any appil crap as well.
>
> You can see the power of compiz on www.youtube.com
> It free and it can be got working in something
> as small as an Asus EEE netbook.
=
You are obsessed with compiz but have yet to say what value it adds. Others
have offered some possibilities, but for the most part your eyes just glaze
over from the bells and whistles and you brain disengages. You show no
understanding of if it does or does not offer anything of value.
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Walter Bushell
7 <website_...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> 1. Put your SD card or USB flash drive into your desktop Linux PC and
> ���then�open�a�console�and�type�dmesg
Suppose no have desktop Linux machine?
7
wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
>>> h
>>
>>
>> Well, can we dismiss the ZnU crap right away and do some
>> Linux perhaps?
>>
>> How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with
>> 3D translucent desktop like compiz and have
>> 8 hour battery life. A lot better than any appil crap as well.
>>
>> You can see the power of compiz on www.youtube.com
>> It free and it can be got working in something
>> as small as an Asus EEE netbook.
> =
>
> You are obsessed with compiz but have yet to say what value it adds.
You have yet to learn English.
Snit
12:55 PM:
Your dodge is noted. Seriously - I have watched all sorts of videos showing
it off... but what *value* do you think Compiz adds to a users experience?
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Snit
Shouldn't you do some planning before that? :)
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7
wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
>>>> Well, can we dismiss the ZnU crap right away and do some
>>>> Linux perhaps?
>>>>
>>>> How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with
>>>> 3D translucent desktop like compiz and have
>>>> 8 hour battery life. A lot better than any appil crap as well.
>>>>
>>>> You can see the power of compiz on www.youtube.com
>>>> It free and it can be got working in something
>>>> as small as an Asus EEE netbook.
>>> =
>>>
>>> You are obsessed with compiz but have yet to say what value it adds.
>>
>>
>> You have yet to learn English.
>>
> Your dodge is noted. Seriously - I have watched all sorts of videos
> showing it off... but what *value* do you think Compiz adds to a users
> experience?
Seriously, you have yet to learn English to note anything correctly.
Tim Murray
> You should send them a resume. I'm sure they can use your genius to
> develop a better business plan.
Did you ever apply for that job of planning where to locate Apple stores, as
you were ridiculing whoever does the job now.
Tim Murray
> Suppose no have desktop Linux machine?
Hey, ke-mo sah-bee, what was that about English?
zara
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I don't need a job. I have money.
Snit
1:43 PM:
Why do you keep running? Why not answer the question?
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Walter Bushell
Tim Murray <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote:
Suppose you have no desktop Linus machine?
High Plains Thumper
> 7 stated:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> 7 wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D
>>>> translucent desktop like compiz and have 8 hour battery
>>>> life. A lot better than any appil crap as well.
>>>>
>>>> You can see the power of compiz on www.youtube.com It
>>>> free and it can be got working in something as small as
>>>> an Asus EEE netbook.
>>>
>>> value it adds.
>>
>> You have yet to learn English.
>
> Your dodge is noted. Seriously - I have watched all sorts of
> videos showing it off... but what *value* do you think Compiz
> adds to a users experience?
For one, Compiz has "WOW!", versus Microsoft Vista. It is light
enough to run on a Linux netbook.
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RonB
> Snit schreef:
>> 7 stated:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> 7 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D
>>>>> translucent desktop like compiz and have 8 hour battery
>>>>> life. A lot better than any appil crap as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can see the power of compiz on www.youtube.com It
>>>>> free and it can be got working in something as small as
>>>>> an Asus EEE netbook.
>>>> You are obsessed with compiz but have yet to say what
>>>> value it adds.
>>> You have yet to learn English.
>> Your dodge is noted. Seriously - I have watched all sorts of
>> videos showing it off... but what *value* do you think Compiz
>> adds to a users experience?
>
> For one, Compiz has "WOW!", versus Microsoft Vista. It is light
> enough to run on a Linux netbook.
Personally I don't use Compiz and don't care about it one way or the
other -- but I do find it interesting that WinTrolls go on and on about
a Desktop Linux that's "primitive" and "drab," but when they are shown
Compiz (something that actually works in a minimal machine, unlike the
Vista crap) they suddenly can't understand the point of "glitter."
Just more hypocrisy and more saying whatever it takes to FUD Linux, no
matter if what they are saying today is the opposite of what they said
the day before.
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
Snit
PM:
Compiz does offer some gee whiz wow... but the question I asked was what
*value* it offers. Some of the effects *might* help with visualizing
multiple desktops and window layering... but largely it is just useless as
far as I can tell. I have not used it much though... so maybe someone else
can come up with some sign of *value* from it in terms of usability.
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Snit
6:56 PM:
> Snit schreef:
>> 7 stated:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> 7 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D
>>>>> translucent desktop like compiz and have 8 hour battery
>>>>> life. A lot better than any appil crap as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can see the power of compiz on www.youtube.com It
>>>>> free and it can be got working in something as small as
>>>>> an Asus EEE netbook.
>>>>
>>>> You are obsessed with compiz but have yet to say what
>>>> value it adds.
>>>
>>> You have yet to learn English.
>>
>> Your dodge is noted. Seriously - I have watched all sorts of
>> videos showing it off... but what *value* do you think Compiz
>> adds to a users experience?
>
> For one, Compiz has "WOW!", versus Microsoft Vista. It is light
> enough to run on a Linux netbook.
Yes, it does offer some "wow" to draw people in and make Linux look
"advanced". I will grant it that. What about real usability value?
Clearly 7 could not come up with a single example. You?
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ZnU
7 <website_...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock ZnU
> wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
I made a post that doesn't mention Apple and is harshly critical of
Microsoft, and in your eyes this makes me a Micoshaft Appil
asstroturfing fraudster", apparently.
Only in COLA.
Wally
"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
"value" is subjective, that alone is a perfectly good reason not to answer a
question that deals with another persons view as to what constitutes
"value", perhaps you could come up a question that does not involve a back
and forth argument as to what "value" represents for any particular person
Snit?
> Why not answer the question?
You said ....
"You are obsessed with compiz but have yet to say what value it adds."-Snit
And now you ask...
"but what *value* do you think Compiz adds to a users experience?"-Snit
If you were able to understand what you read Snit you would see that 7 has
already answered that question by giving at least one example based on what
7 considers of value, yet you either couldn�t comprehend that fact or chose
to ignore it .... Which is it?
"How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D translucent desktop
like compiz and have 8 hour battery life."-7
I merely mention the above in an effort to prevent you from needlessly
insulting 7 simply because *you* are unable to understand what you read
Snit!
If it really is all too hard for you please feel free to ignore my advice to
you Snit and just carry on as you usually do!
ZnU
> ZnU wrote:
>
> > There are already plenty of smart people working at Microsoft; there
> > just seems to be something deeply wrong with their corporate culture.
>
> Nothing at all wrong with their culture; they try to earn as much money as
> possible for the products they produce. Same as most all of us.
Except that they often seem to be of the opinion that the best way to
make money is with user-hostile copy protection and licensing schemes.
Look at their approach to online digital media distribution as
contrasted with Apple's for instance. Apple fought to get the most
reasonable licensing terms possible for consumers, presumably believing
that having a service attractive to consumers would make them the most
money.
Microsoft, in contrast, took the approach of basically giving into
content provisors on every point, presumably on the theory that content
providers would prefer their service, their service would have more
content, and this would make them the most money.
Both companies were trying to make the most money, but Apple's first
impulse was to build the best product, and Microsoft's first impulse was
to arrange to create platform lock-in.
> Software is different in that it can somewhat easily be cloned/reverse
> engineered by greedy, lazy, non-contributing, amateurish, hackjob, thieving
> OSS bozos, so MS has to go to great lengths to protect their livelihood.
Wally
"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
Or perhaps you simply missed it Snit?
"How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D translucent desktop
like compiz and have 8 hour battery life."-7
Why does 8 hour battery life not constitute "real usability value" to you
Snit?
Snit
PM:
I am talking in terms of increased usability. Sorry you missed it... the
offer to help you find an adult literacy program is still open.
By the way, did you see recently where Tim Adams grouped you, he, and Steve
Carroll - showing I have been right all along about your co-trolling BS.
Not that it was ever in doubt, but interesting to see Tim blow it by
admitting to it.
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Snit
PM:
Ah, you think Compiz somehow extends battery life.
You really are that lost. Seriously, Wally, you simply make a fool of
yourself every time you troll me. Why do you even bother - are you so
desperate for attention you cannot stop yourself? Did you see your co-troll
buddy Tim Adams making a complete idiot of himself and hope to divert
attention away from him? By the way: the offer to help you find an adult
literacy program is still open: maybe that way you will stop calling
complete filler-text gibberish "coherent and well ordered" and will no
longer insist that subsets cannot be empty.
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Snit
PM:
Some past quotes from Wally:
I gave a clear example as to when a subset with 0 elements
would not actually be empty as you claimed that it would!
But zero items does not necessarily translate to being empty
as you have said it would!
your delusion is that something that owes its very existence
to the fact that it contains information can in fact be
...empty!
whether it is written {} or {0} has no significance wrt what
the answer actually is
it makes no difference if you write {} and I write {0}
because the meaning is exactly the same ...0 elements!
Now research why a "subset" cannot be "empty"
LOL! Come on, Wally... are you still so mad over my noting your
unbelievable ignorance that you feel the need to still troll me?
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Wally
"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
"increased usability"? LOL where are you talking about that Snit?
"You are obsessed with compiz but have yet to say what value it adds."-Snit
"but what *value* do you think Compiz adds to a users experience?"-Snit
So it really was all too hard for you Snit! .... OK I'll accept that!
Wally
"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
Quoting someone's statement does not make it mine Snit, nor does it show
that I believe or disbelieve it's contents!
But it does indeed confirm that they had answered the question that you
claimed they had run away from!
If you disagree with his statement wrt battery life then base your argument
around that Snit and stop accusing him of running away from a point that he
clearly did not run from Snit!
I do realize that this is a tactic that you have developed over the years
Snit but you really should think wisely before using it! ... As Steve
Carroll is often telling you people simply aren't as stupid as you need them
to be!
Snit
PM:
>> I am talking in terms of increased usability.
>
> "increased usability"? LOL where are you talking about that Snit?
>
> "You are obsessed with compiz but have yet to say what value it adds."-Snit
>
> "but what *value* do you think Compiz adds to a users experience?"-Snit
>
> So it really was all too hard for you Snit! .... OK I'll accept that!
Seriously: let me help you find an adult literacy program. You just keep
making a fool of yourself.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Wally
"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
When common sense has clearly deserted you Snit it must be a great comfort
for you to know that irony is hanging in there for the long haul Snit!
Wally
"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> Wally stated in post C688BB8A.175C6%Wa...@wally.world.net on 7/18/09 9:01
> PM:
>
>>> I am talking in terms of increased usability.
>>
>> "increased usability"? LOL where are you talking about that Snit?
>>
>> "You are obsessed with compiz but have yet to say what value it adds."-Snit
>>
>> "but what *value* do you think Compiz adds to a users experience?"-Snit
>>
>> So it really was all too hard for you Snit! .... OK I'll accept that!
>
> Seriously: let me help you find an adult literacy program.
And you're holding yourself up as an example of such a program Snit?
ROTFLMAO!
> You just keep making a fool of yourself.
:-)
Snit
PM:
LOL! Clearly I was right.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
PM:
>>> Or perhaps you simply missed it Snit?
>>>
>>> "How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D translucent desktop
>>> like compiz and have 8 hour battery life."-7
>>>
>>> Why does 8 hour battery life not constitute "real usability value" to you
>>> Snit?
>>
>> Ah, you think Compiz somehow extends battery life.
>
> Quoting someone's statement does not make it mine Snit, nor does it show
> that I believe or disbelieve it's contents!
Good to see not even you believe the BS you spew... at least once it is
pointed out how absurd it is.
>
> But it does indeed confirm that they had answered the question that you
> claimed they had run away from!
>
> If you disagree with his statement wrt battery life then base your argument
> around that Snit and stop accusing him of running away from a point that he
> clearly did not run from Snit!
>
> I do realize that this is a tactic that you have developed over the years
> Snit but you really should think wisely before using it! ... As Steve
> Carroll is often telling you people simply aren't as stupid as you need them
> to be!
Gee, you are "invoking" Steve Carroll's trolling lines now. What a shock!
LOL!
Seriously, take an adult literacy class, Wally. You need it!
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
PM:
I am offering to help you *find* a program to teach you literacy, not
telling you my replies to you *are* such a program.
>> You just keep making a fool of yourself.
>
> :-)
>
Exploiting the productive lifecycle the three cs - customers, competition
and change - have created a new world for business measure the process, not
the people. By moving executive focus from lag financial indicators to more
actionable lead indicators, the strategic vision - if indeed there be one -
is required to identify as knowledge is fragmented into specialities.
Exploitation of core competencies as an essential enabler, the balanced
scorecard, like the executive dashboard, is an essential tool benchmarking
against industry leaders, an essential process, should be a top priority at
all times. Building a dynamic relationship between the main players.
Quantitative analysis of all the key ratios has a vital role to play in this
whenever single-loop learning strategies go wrong, building flexibility
through spreading knowledge and self-organization. That will indubitably lay
the firm foundations for any leading company an investment program where
cash flows exactly match shareholders' preferred time patterns of
consumption working through a top-down, bottom-up approach. The vitality of
conceptual synergies is of supreme importance taking full cognizance of
organizational learning parameters and principles, benchmarking against
industry leaders, an essential process, should be a top priority at all
times. Whether the organization's core competences are fully in line, given
market realities the new golden rule gives enormous power to those
individuals and units, the balanced scorecard, like the executive dashboard,
is an essential tool. Exploitation of core competencies as an essential
enabler, that will indubitably lay the firm foundations for any leading
company benchmarking against industry leaders, an essential process, should
be a top priority at all times.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Tim Murray
> Exploiting the productive lifecycle the three cs... [snip]
Nice copy-pasted from the Web. Why not attribute it?
Snit
on 7/18/09 9:39 PM:
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:31:02 -0400, Snit wrote:
>> Exploiting the productive lifecycle the three cs... [snip]
>
> Nice copy-pasted from the Web. Why not attribute it?
>
Who said I copied it from the web? I did not. Curious what you thought of
the text though.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Wally
"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
To try and distance yourself from the fact that you again prove that your
accusations have no basis in reality Snit?
Why did you accuse 7 of running from a question that he clearly had answered
Snit?
Wally
"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> Wally stated in post C688BDA6.175C8%Wa...@wally.world.net on 7/18/09 9:10
> PM:
>
>>>> Or perhaps you simply missed it Snit?
>>>>
>>>> "How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D translucent desktop
>>>> like compiz and have 8 hour battery life."-7
>>>>
>>>> Why does 8 hour battery life not constitute "real usability value" to you
>>>> Snit?
>>>
>>> Ah, you think Compiz somehow extends battery life.
>>
>> Quoting someone's statement does not make it mine Snit, nor does it show
>> that I believe or disbelieve it's contents!
>
> Good to see not even you believe the BS you spew... at least once it is
> pointed out how absurd it is.
So "nor does it show that I believe or disbelieve it's contents" was beyond
your comprehension Snit? ..... Truly amazing!
>> But it does indeed confirm that they had answered the question that you
>> claimed they had run away from!
>>
>> If you disagree with his statement wrt battery life then base your argument
>> around that Snit and stop accusing him of running away from a point that he
>> clearly did not run from Snit!
>>
>> I do realize that this is a tactic that you have developed over the years
>> Snit but you really should think wisely before using it! ... As Steve
>> Carroll is often telling you people simply aren't as stupid as you need them
>> to be!
>
> Gee, you are "invoking" Steve Carroll's trolling lines now.
He has been proven correct countless times concerning people not being as
stupid as you need them to be, therefore there can be no question of that
being a trolling line Snit!
You are the one that rather than "invoke" accuracies chooses obfuscation as
your norm Snit!
> What a shock!
> LOL!
>
> Seriously, take an adult literacy class, Wally. You need it!
So remind me again Snit why did you accuse 7 of running from a question that
he clearly had answered? LOL
Wally
"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> Tim Murray stated in post 0001HW.C6881BDB...@nntp.charter.net
> on 7/18/09 9:39 PM:
>
>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:31:02 -0400, Snit wrote:
>>> Exploiting the productive lifecycle the three cs... [snip]
>>
>> Nice copy-pasted from the Web. Why not attribute it?
>>
> Who said I copied it from the web? I did not.
The impression given is that you did!
If you are again going to claim that it is generated filler text then you
should remember that the author of that application has stated that the text
generated is taken from actual manuals, if you are going to use such text in
a forum such as this then it is up to you to correctly attribute it's source
as best you can ... Which in this case would have been the particular
application!
Given that you chose not to do so, and your habitual habit of resorting to
cut'n'paste at any opportunity, suggesting that you did so with that text
was a reasonable one!
High Plains Thumper
True, one cannot expect any more of the Wintrolls. Their only
one purpose is to discredit Linux, make mountains out of mole
hills and pretend there are problems when there aren't any.
After all, was it not said sometime ago about Windows, that "It's
not a bug but a feature"?
Compiz is very efficiently written, hence why it can run on
lighter hardware.
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> Snit wrote:
>> Wally stated:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> [snip irrelevant Snit gobshite]
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Come on, Wally... are you still so mad over my
>>>> noting your unbelievable ignorance that you feel the
>>>> need to still troll me?
>>>
>>> When common sense has clearly deserted you Snit it must be
>>> a great comfort for you to know that irony is hanging in
>>> there for the long haul Snit!
>>
>> LOL! Clearly I was right.
>
> To try and distance yourself from the fact that you again
> prove that your accusations have no basis in reality Snit?
>
> Why did you accuse 7 of running from a question that he
> clearly had answered Snit?
Simple:
96- RonB (COLA): "Snit is a crank fixated on one issue, who's
thing is twisting your words so he can win an argument against a
straw man. That's enough to killfile him." 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/ce8550d4cc5b1b42
--
HPT
Wally
Tim Smith
Wally <Wa...@wally.world.net> wrote:
> >>> Your dodge is noted. Seriously - I have watched all sorts of
> >>> videos showing it off... but what *value* do you think Compiz
> >>> adds to a users experience?
> >>
> >> For one, Compiz has "WOW!", versus Microsoft Vista. It is light
> >> enough to run on a Linux netbook.
> >
> > Yes, it does offer some "wow" to draw people in and make Linux look
> > "advanced". I will grant it that. What about real usability value?
> > Clearly 7 could not come up with a single example. You?
>
> Or perhaps you simply missed it Snit?
>
> "How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D translucent desktop
> like compiz and have 8 hour battery life."-7
>
> Why does 8 hour battery life not constitute "real usability value" to you
> Snit?
So Linux won't get 8 hours on the same hardware without Compiz? You sure
about that?
--
--Tim Smith
Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
More lies by michael, the idiot, glasser as he tries to hijack yet another
thread. so typical.
michael glasser it the idiot that constantly refers to Wally, Steve and myself
as a 'group' and by doing so constantly lies but drags my name into threads
that I am not involved in. proof that he has never ignored me for months as he
claimed.
Now michael, see if you can't stay on topic for once.
--
regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
Hadron
How does compiz create 8 hours battery life? You're not WronG are you?
Or maybe High Plains Hypocrite?
Try to read the question before answering. It helps.
--
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/
"Nope, we know what an emulator does, and wine doesn't." - AH
** http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/dec7cb073d761af4
Peter Köhlmann
Please explain your total misreading of what was actually written.
> Try to read the question before answering. It helps.
>
Hilarious. That from the champion of "reading comprehension problems"
Hadron Snot Quark.
Hint: What was actually written was that you can have 8 hours battery
usage while runnung compiz and having a "3D translucent desktop". It was
never claimed that compiz /enables/ having 8 hours usage. You have it
although compiz with its eye candy runs.
Compare that to the resource hog Vista or Win7
You are seemingly dumber than Snot Glasser. And he is a master of
misinterpretion
--
Howe's Law: Everyone has a scheme that will not work.
Peter Köhlmann
Another one with severe reading comprehension problems.
Is OSX doing that to you, too, like windows does?
--
Only two things are infinite,
the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
Hadron
Try to read Kohlkopf. Snit asked what Compiz bought to usability. Wally
claimed 8 hours of usage for some reason. The question is how he thinks
using compiz for 8 hours affects usability.
In others words "8 hours" is nothing to do with interactive usability
since compiz is nothing to do with that time. What was ASKED was how
COMPIZ contributes to usability. Do TRY to understand these simple
concepts.
>
>> Try to read the question before answering. It helps.
>>
>
> Hilarious. That from the champion of "reading comprehension problems"
> Hadron Snot Quark.
>
> Hint: What was actually written was that you can have 8 hours battery
> usage while runnung compiz and having a "3D translucent desktop". It was
> never claimed that compiz /enables/ having 8 hours usage. You have it
> although compiz with its eye candy runs.
> Compare that to the resource hog Vista or Win7
>
> You are seemingly dumber than Snot Glasser. And he is a master of
> misinterpretion
Try reading. I realise English is your second language, but I am
surprised you managed to make yourself look so stupid here.
7
wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
> I made a post that doesn't mention Apple and is harshly critical of
> Microsoft, and in your eyes this makes me a Micoshaft Appil
> asstroturfing fraudster", apparently.
>
> Only in COLA.
Really? - what you did was do what all other Appil/micoshaft
asstroturfing fraudsters do.
Promote micoshaft/appil crap products dressed with content spam.
Peter Köhlmann
I did, Hadron Snot Quark
> Snit asked what Compiz bought to usability.
I don't care what that cretin asks. He isn't worth being pissed on if on
fire, and certainly not an answer
> Wally claimed 8 hours of usage for some reason.
So what?
> The question is how he thinks
> using compiz for 8 hours affects usability.
Not surprising, you don't have the tiniest idea what compiz is
> In others words "8 hours" is nothing to do with interactive usability
> since compiz is nothing to do with that time. What was ASKED was how
> COMPIZ contributes to usability. Do TRY to understand these simple
> concepts.
>
Then why did *you* ask "How does compiz create 8 hours battery life?"
You have misinterpreted again what someone wrote.
Your bullshit here is just trying to shift the goalposts away from your
blunder
>
>>
>>> Try to read the question before answering. It helps.
>>>
>>
>> Hilarious. That from the champion of "reading comprehension problems"
>> Hadron Snot Quark.
>>
>> Hint: What was actually written was that you can have 8 hours battery
>> usage while runnung compiz and having a "3D translucent desktop". It
>> was never claimed that compiz /enables/ having 8 hours usage. You have
>> it although compiz with its eye candy runs.
>> Compare that to the resource hog Vista or Win7
>>
>> You are seemingly dumber than Snot Glasser. And he is a master of
>> misinterpretion
>
> Try reading. I realise English is your second language, but I am
> surprised you managed to make yourself look so stupid here.
>
I was not the one asking "How does compiz create 8 hours battery life?"
That would be you, "true linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" Hadron Snot
Quark
--
Ninety percent of the time things will turn out worse than you expect.
The other 10 percent of the time you had no right to expect so much.
Hadron
In answer to what compiz bought to usability.
Clearly its not worth discussing this as you haven't a clue. As usual.
Peter Köhlmann
You still are unable to read, Hadron Snot Quark
> Clearly its not worth discussing this as you haven't a clue. As usual.
Oh, I just run compiz. And I know why I do so.
You might try it one day. When you start to use linux for the very first
time, Hadron Snot Quark
--
Who the fuck is General Failure, and why is he reading my harddisk?
Hadron
Unfortunately for you, yo continue to dig a hole. Please READ what is
there. Are you really so dumb you can not understand the above?
He was asked what compiz brought to usability. He replied he gets 8
hours battery time running it. That makes NO sense and does not answer
the question.
>
>> Clearly its not worth discussing this as you haven't a clue. As usual.
>
> Oh, I just run compiz. And I know why I do so.
Enlighten us fan boy.
> You might try it one day. When you start to use linux for the very first
> time, Hadron Snot Quark
I have used it. Its impressive.
But why anyone would use it on a professional desktop we're still
waiting to hear.
Snit
reply_in_group-93C...@news.supernews.com on 7/19/09 3:16 AM:
Yes - Wally clearly thinks Compiz extends battery life. No evidence for
this, of course, but that is Wally for you.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
teadams$2$0$0$3-B45120.06...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net on
7/19/09 3:37 AM:
> regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
> you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
> the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
Your obsession is not healthy.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
5:34 AM:
>> In answer to what compiz bought to usability.
>
> You still are unable to read, Hadron Snot Quark
>
>> Clearly its not worth discussing this as you haven't a clue. As usual.
>
> Oh, I just run compiz. And I know why I do so.
> You might try it one day. When you start to use linux for the very first
> time, Hadron Snot Quark
So why do you use it?
Oh.
You will not be able to answer.
Nobody seems to know what user value it offer - how it helps with usability
or productivity. Oh well.
Hint: I gave some possibilities elsewhere in this thread... but I doubt you
can think of any.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
5:20 AM:
...
>>>> How does compiz create 8 hours battery life? You're not WronG are you?
>>>> Or maybe High Plains Hypocrite?
>>>
>>> Please explain your total misreading of what was actually written.
>>
>> Try to read Kohlkopf.
>
> I did, Hadron Snot Quark
>
>> Snit asked what Compiz bought to usability.
>
> I don't care what that cretin asks. He isn't worth being pissed on if on
> fire, and certainly not an answer
You do not answer because every time you have in the past you have made a
fool of yourself, like when you claimed:
Peter K�hlmann:
The apps with "Quit" do *not* exit, they continue to run
in the background
Or when you made this claim:
Snit:
Doing a quick search on the web I find this:
<http://www.cann.ca/apa-template.doc>
Peter K�hlmann:
Naturally you fail to provide the URL, as usual
On and on... you repeatedly humiliate yourself, Peter. So now you lash out
against me. Oh well.
>> Wally claimed 8 hours of usage for some reason.
>
> So what?
>
>> The question is how he thinks
>> using compiz for 8 hours affects usability.
>
> Not surprising, you don't have the tiniest idea what compiz is
No: Wally is the one who claimed Compiz extended battery life. He is the
one who has no clue what Compiz is.
>> In others words "8 hours" is nothing to do with interactive usability
>> since compiz is nothing to do with that time. What was ASKED was how
>> COMPIZ contributes to usability. Do TRY to understand these simple
>> concepts.
>
> Then why did *you* ask "How does compiz create 8 hours battery life?"
> You have misinterpreted again what someone wrote.
Wally claimed that having such a long battery life was a usability benefit
of Compiz. He was, of course, wrong. He generally is.
> Your bullshit here is just trying to shift the goalposts away from your
> blunder
>
>>
>>>
>>>> Try to read the question before answering. It helps.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hilarious. That from the champion of "reading comprehension problems"
>>> Hadron Snot Quark.
>>>
>>> Hint: What was actually written was that you can have 8 hours battery
>>> usage while runnung compiz and having a "3D translucent desktop". It
>>> was never claimed that compiz /enables/ having 8 hours usage. You have
>>> it although compiz with its eye candy runs.
>>> Compare that to the resource hog Vista or Win7
>>>
>>> You are seemingly dumber than Snot Glasser. And he is a master of
>>> misinterpretion
>>
>> Try reading. I realise English is your second language, but I am
>> surprised you managed to make yourself look so stupid here.
>>
>
> I was not the one asking "How does compiz create 8 hours battery life?"
> That would be you, "true linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" Hadron Snot
> Quark
See Peter - you repeatedly make a fool of yourself.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
5:20 AM:
>>> Hilarious. That from the champion of "reading comprehension problems"
>>> Hadron Snot Quark.
>>>
>>> Hint: What was actually written was that you can have 8 hours battery
>>> usage while runnung compiz and having a "3D translucent desktop". It
>>> was never claimed that compiz /enables/ having 8 hours usage. You have
>>> it although compiz with its eye candy runs.
>>> Compare that to the resource hog Vista or Win7
>>>
>>> You are seemingly dumber than Snot Glasser. And he is a master of
>>> misinterpretion
>>
>> Try reading. I realise English is your second language, but I am
>> surprised you managed to make yourself look so stupid here.
>>
>
> I was not the one asking "How does compiz create 8 hours battery life?"
> That would be you, "true linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" Hadron Snot
> Quark
This is simple: Wally claimed, incorrectly, that a usability benefit of
Compiz was that it lead to 8 hours of battery life.
Wally has been called on his error.
But you are not able to understand this. You, again, show you cannot
understand simple concepts.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
4:10 AM:
> Tim Smith wrote:
>
>> In article <C688B92F.175BA%Wa...@wally.world.net>,
>> Wally <Wa...@wally.world.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Your dodge is noted. Seriously - I have watched all sorts of
>>>>>> videos showing it off... but what *value* do you think Compiz
>>>>>> adds to a users experience?
>>>>>
>>>>> For one, Compiz has "WOW!", versus Microsoft Vista. It is light
>>>>> enough to run on a Linux netbook.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it does offer some "wow" to draw people in and make Linux look
>>>> "advanced". I will grant it that. What about real usability value?
>>>> Clearly 7 could not come up with a single example. You?
>>>
>>> Or perhaps you simply missed it Snit?
>>>
>>> "How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D translucent
>>> desktop like compiz and have 8 hour battery life."-7
>>>
>>> Why does 8 hour battery life not constitute "real usability value" to
>>> you Snit?
>>
>> So Linux won't get 8 hours on the same hardware without Compiz? You sure
>> about that?
>>
>
> Another one with severe reading comprehension problems.
> Is OSX doing that to you, too, like windows does?
This is simple: Wally claimed, incorrectly, that a usability benefit of
Snit
4:09 AM:
This is simple: Wally claimed, incorrectly, that a usability benefit of
Snit
11:51 PM:
This is simple: Wally claimed, incorrectly, that a usability benefit of
Snit
6:01 AM:
>>> In answer to what compiz bought to usability.
>>
>> You still are unable to read, Hadron Snot Quark
>
> Unfortunately for you, yo continue to dig a hole. Please READ what is
> there. Are you really so dumb you can not understand the above?
>
> He was asked what compiz brought to usability. He replied he gets 8
> hours battery time running it. That makes NO sense and does not answer
> the question.
>
>>
>>> Clearly its not worth discussing this as you haven't a clue. As usual.
>>
>> Oh, I just run compiz. And I know why I do so.
>
> Enlighten us fan boy.
>
>> You might try it one day. When you start to use linux for the very first
>> time, Hadron Snot Quark
>
> I have used it. Its impressive.
>
> But why anyone would use it on a professional desktop we're still
> waiting to hear.
I have offered a couple of possibilities of ways it might help users...
Peter has not been able to... nor Wally (though Wally did try - he claimed 8
hours of battery life was a benefit of Compiz).
Have Peter or Wally even used it?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
5:26 AM:
>>> Try to read Kohlkopf.
>>
>> I did, Hadron Snot Quark
>>
>>> Snit asked what Compiz bought to usability.
>>
>> I don't care what that cretin asks. He isn't worth being pissed on if on
>> fire, and certainly not an answer
>>
>>> Wally claimed 8 hours of usage for some reason.
>>
>> So what?
>
>
> In answer to what compiz bought to usability.
>
> Clearly its not worth discussing this as you haven't a clue. As usual.
Peter shows no sign that he has used it. He really is just lost.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
4:19 AM:
>>> How does compiz create 8 hours battery life? You're not WronG are you?
>>> Or maybe High Plains Hypocrite?
>>
>> Please explain your total misreading of what was actually written.
>
> Try to read Kohlkopf. Snit asked what Compiz bought to usability. Wally
> claimed 8 hours of usage for some reason. The question is how he thinks
> using compiz for 8 hours affects usability.
>
> In others words "8 hours" is nothing to do with interactive usability
> since compiz is nothing to do with that time. What was ASKED was how
> COMPIZ contributes to usability. Do TRY to understand these simple
> concepts.
Sad thing: maybe he is trying.
And still failing.
>>> Try to read the question before answering. It helps.
>>>
>>
>> Hilarious. That from the champion of "reading comprehension problems"
>> Hadron Snot Quark.
>>
>> Hint: What was actually written was that you can have 8 hours battery
>> usage while runnung compiz and having a "3D translucent desktop". It was
>> never claimed that compiz /enables/ having 8 hours usage. You have it
>> although compiz with its eye candy runs.
>> Compare that to the resource hog Vista or Win7
>>
>> You are seemingly dumber than Snot Glasser. And he is a master of
>> misinterpretion
>
> Try reading. I realise English is your second language, but I am
> surprised you managed to make yourself look so stupid here.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Peter Köhlmann
I do. It seems you are totally incapable to do so, though
> He was asked what compiz brought to usability. He replied he gets 8
> hours battery time running it.
No, that is *not* what he replied
> That makes NO sense and does not answer the question.
It doesn't. Because you read it all wrong
Not surprising, given your total reading comprehension disability
>>
>>> Clearly its not worth discussing this as you haven't a clue. As usual.
>>
>> Oh, I just run compiz. And I know why I do so.
>
> Enlighten us fan boy.
No. Find your own reasons
>> You might try it one day. When you start to use linux for the very
>> first time, Hadron Snot Quark
>
> I have used it. Its impressive.
It is. So you have seen it on a linux users machine.
Too bad that you can't run it yourself, isn't it?
> But why anyone would use it on a professional desktop we're still
> waiting to hear.
Simple: Why not?
--
It's not about, 'Where do you want to go today?' It's more like,
'Where am I allowed to go today?'
Snit
3:50 AM:
>>> Yes, it does offer some "wow" to draw people in and make Linux look
>>> "advanced". I will grant it that. What about real usability value?
>>> Clearly 7 could not come up with a single example. You?
>>
>> Or perhaps you simply missed it Snit?
>>
>> "How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D translucent desktop
>> like compiz and have 8 hour battery life."-7
>>
>> Why does 8 hour battery life not constitute "real usability value" to you
>> Snit?
>>
>
> How does compiz create 8 hours battery life? You're not WronG are you?
> Or maybe High Plains Hypocrite?
>
> Try to read the question before answering. It helps.
To be fair, and I am not kidding, I strongly suspect Wally has a severe
learning disability or mental handicap - he has shown such extreme inability
to understand simple concepts.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
AM:
By moving executive focus from lag financial indicators to more actionable
lead indicators, whether the organization's core competences are fully in
line, given market realities building flexibility through spreading
knowledge and self-organization. Presentation of the process flow should
culminate in idea generation, by adopting project appraisal through
incremental cash flow analysis, that will indubitably lay the firm
foundations for any leading company. Maximization of shareholder wealth
through separation of ownership from management to focus on improvement, not
cost, the strategic vision - if indeed there be one - is required to
identify.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
PM:
> On 19/7/09 12:48 PM, in article C687F392.3C254%use...@gallopinginsanity.com,
> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> Tim Murray stated in post 0001HW.C6881BDB...@nntp.charter.net
>> on 7/18/09 9:39 PM:
>>
>>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:31:02 -0400, Snit wrote:
>>>> Exploiting the productive lifecycle the three cs... [snip]
>>>
>>> Nice copy-pasted from the Web. Why not attribute it?
>>>
>> Who said I copied it from the web? I did not.
>
> The impression given is that you did!
Impression? What? When? How?
LOL!
> If you are again going to claim that it is generated filler text then you
> should remember that the author of that application has stated that the text
> generated is taken from actual manuals, if you are going to use such text in
> a forum such as this then it is up to you to correctly attribute it's source
> as best you can ... Which in this case would have been the particular
> application!
>
> Given that you chose not to do so, and your habitual habit of resorting to
> cut'n'paste at any opportunity, suggesting that you did so with that text
> was a reasonable one!
Snit
PM:
> On 19/7/09 12:23 PM, in article C687EDD9.3C242%use...@gallopinginsanity.com,
> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> Wally stated in post C688BDA6.175C8%Wa...@wally.world.net on 7/18/09 9:10
>> PM:
>>
>>>>> Or perhaps you simply missed it Snit?
>>>>>
>>>>> "How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D translucent
>>>>> desktop
>>>>> like compiz and have 8 hour battery life."-7
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does 8 hour battery life not constitute "real usability value" to you
>>>>> Snit?
>>>>
>>>> Ah, you think Compiz somehow extends battery life.
>>>
>>> Quoting someone's statement does not make it mine Snit, nor does it show
>>> that I believe or disbelieve it's contents!
>>
>> Good to see not even you believe the BS you spew... at least once it is
>> pointed out how absurd it is.
>
> So "nor does it show that I believe or disbelieve it's contents" was beyond
> your comprehension Snit? ..... Truly amazing!
>
>>> But it does indeed confirm that they had answered the question that you
>>> claimed they had run away from!
>>>
>>> If you disagree with his statement wrt battery life then base your argument
>>> around that Snit and stop accusing him of running away from a point that he
>>> clearly did not run from Snit!
>>>
>>> I do realize that this is a tactic that you have developed over the years
>>> Snit but you really should think wisely before using it! ... As Steve
>>> Carroll is often telling you people simply aren't as stupid as you need them
>>> to be!
>>
>> Gee, you are "invoking" Steve Carroll's trolling lines now.
>
> He has been proven correct countless times concerning people not being as
> stupid as you need them to be, therefore there can be no question of that
> being a trolling line Snit!
>
> You are the one that rather than "invoke" accuracies chooses obfuscation as
> your norm Snit!
>
>> What a shock!
>> LOL!
>>
>> Seriously, take an adult literacy class, Wally. You need it!
>
> So remind me again Snit why did you accuse 7 of running from a question that
> he clearly had answered? LOL
>
Highly motivated participants contributing to a valued-added outcome. To
experience a profound paradigm shift, taking full cognizance of
organizational learning parameters and principles, presentation of the
process flow should culminate in idea generation. Building a dynamic
relationship between the main players. The balanced scorecard, like the
executive dashboard, is an essential tool. Highly motivated participants
contributing to a valued-added outcome.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
PM:
> On 19/7/09 12:22 PM, in article C687ED86.3C241%use...@gallopinginsanity.com,
> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> Wally stated in post C688BECE.175CD%Wa...@wally.world.net on 7/18/09 9:15
>> PM:
>>
>>> On 19/7/09 11:57 AM, in article C687E7A3.3C231%use...@gallopinginsanity.com,
>>> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wally stated in post C688B92F.175BA%Wa...@wally.world.net on 7/18/09 8:51
>>>> PM:
>>>>
>>>> Some past quotes from Wally:
>>>>
>>>> I gave a clear example as to when a subset with 0 elements
>>>> would not actually be empty as you claimed that it would!
>>>>
>>>> But zero items does not necessarily translate to being empty
>>>> as you have said it would!
>>>>
>>>> your delusion is that something that owes its very existence
>>>> to the fact that it contains information can in fact be
>>>> ...empty!
>>>>
>>>> whether it is written {} or {0} has no significance wrt what
>>>> the answer actually is
>>>>
>>>> it makes no difference if you write {} and I write {0}
>>>> because the meaning is exactly the same ...0 elements!
>>>>
>>>> Now research why a "subset" cannot be "empty"
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Come on, Wally... are you still so mad over my noting your
>>>> unbelievable ignorance that you feel the need to still troll me?
>>>
>>> When common sense has clearly deserted you Snit it must be a great comfort
>>> for you to know that irony is hanging in there for the long haul Snit!
>>>
>> LOL! Clearly I was right.
>>
>
> To try and distance yourself from the fact that you again prove that your
> accusations have no basis in reality Snit?
>
> Why did you accuse 7 of running from a question that he clearly had answered
> Snit?
>
The three cs - customers, competition and change - have created a new world
for business combined with optimal use of human resources, as knowledge is
fragmented into specialities. Working through a top-down, bottom-up
approach, quantitative analysis of all the key ratios has a vital role to
play in this the vitality of conceptual synergies is of supreme importance.
To experience a profound paradigm shift, an investment program where cash
flows exactly match shareholders' preferred time patterns of consumption
that will indubitably lay the firm foundations for any leading company.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
6:32 AM:
>>> You still are unable to read, Hadron Snot Quark
>>
>> Unfortunately for you, yo continue to dig a hole. Please READ what is
>> there. Are you really so dumb you can not understand the above?
>
> I do. It seems you are totally incapable to do so, though
>
>> He was asked what compiz brought to usability. He replied he gets 8
>> hours battery time running it.
>
> No, that is *not* what he replied
>
>> That makes NO sense and does not answer the question.
>
> It doesn't. Because you read it all wrong
> Not surprising, given your total reading comprehension disability
>
>>>
>>>> Clearly its not worth discussing this as you haven't a clue. As usual.
>>>
>>> Oh, I just run compiz. And I know why I do so.
>>
>> Enlighten us fan boy.
>
> No. Find your own reasons
>
>>> You might try it one day. When you start to use linux for the very
>>> first time, Hadron Snot Quark
>>
>> I have used it. Its impressive.
>
> It is. So you have seen it on a linux users machine.
> Too bad that you can't run it yourself, isn't it?
>
>> But why anyone would use it on a professional desktop we're still
>> waiting to hear.
>
> Simple: Why not?
You cannot think of one single way it could help with usability or
productivity.
No surprise.
Heck, no sign you have even used it.
--
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High Plains Thumper
> Hadron wrote:
>> Peter Köhlmann writes:
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How does compiz create 8 hours battery life? You're
>>>>>> not WronG are you? Or maybe High Plains Hypocrite?
Hadron, continues the ad hominem attacks and accusations of
nymshifts, which makes Hadron look incredibly stupid. Neither I
or RonB is Wally.
<SNIP>
>>>> Wally claimed 8 hours of usage for some reason.
>>>
>>> So what?
>>
>> In answer to what compiz bought to usability.
>
> You still are unable to read, Hadron Snot Quark
>
>> Clearly its not worth discussing this as you haven't a clue.
>> As usual.
>
> Oh, I just run compiz. And I know why I do so. You might try
> it one day. When you start to use linux for the very first
> time, Hadron Snot Quark
Amazing how the point was that Compiz runs light enough that it
did not significantly degrade netbook battery life, yet the
trolls Hadron and Snit keep harping on verbiage, missing the
point, as though they had any to begin with.
--
HPT
Snit
6:40 AM:
> Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> Peter K�hlmann writes:
>>>> Hadron wrote:
But you cannot think of a single usability or productivity advantage of
Compiz? Wally claimed a usability advantage was that it gave 8 hours of
battery life, as if Compiz *extends* battery life.
That is the only idea anyone - other than me - has come up with. Funny.
--
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Rick
Here's an advantage for Compiz:
"If we want the world to embrace free software, we have to make it
beautiful. I’m not talking about inner beauty, not elegance, not
ideological purity… pure, unadulterated, raw, visceral, lustful, shallow,
skin deep beauty.
We have to make it gorgeous. We have to make it easy on the eye. We have
to make it take your friend’s breath away.": Mark Shuttleworth
--
Rick
Snit
7/19/09 7:08 AM:
...
>> Amazing how the point was that Compiz runs light enough that it did not
>> significantly degrade netbook battery life, yet the trolls Hadron and
>> Snit keep harping on verbiage, missing the point, as though they had any
>> to begin with.
>
> Here's an advantage for Compiz:
>
> "If we want the world to embrace free software, we have to make it
> beautiful. I�m not talking about inner beauty, not elegance, not
> ideological purity� pure, unadulterated, raw, visceral, lustful, shallow,
> skin deep beauty.
>
> We have to make it gorgeous. We have to make it easy on the eye. We have
> to make it take your friend�s breath away.": Mark Shuttleworth
Sure: someone, I think HPT, already mentioned the WOW factor, and sure,
Compiz offers that. That was acknowledged... and it might help with
adoption.
But what about usability and productivity advantages? Can you think of any?
I offered some elsewhere. Wally tried to - but the best he could come up
with was a bizarre claim that Compiz extends battery life.
Does anyone in COLA actually use it?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Tim Murray
> Tim Murray stated in post 0001HW.C6881BDB...@nntp.charter.net
> on 7/18/09 9:39 PM:
>
>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:31:02 -0400, Snit wrote:
>>> Exploiting the productive lifecycle the three cs... [snip]
>>
>> Nice copy-pasted from the Web. Why not attribute it?
>>
> the text though.
>
I searched a few phrases and found it straight away.
Snit
on 7/19/09 8:12 AM:
Not the exact text I used... it is from a filler-text generator, sort of
like lorem ipsum text. I posted it to Wally to remind him of his need to
seek an adult literacy class. For more info, and a look into Wally's clear
challenges, see this post:
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6e50c66f8fdb28dc>
Wally clearly has a learning disability or is mentally handicapped.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Tim Adams
Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter K�hlmann <peter-k...@t-online.de> writes:
>
> > Hadron wrote:
> >
> >> Wally <Wa...@wally.world.net> writes:
> >>
> >>> On 19/7/09 10:34 AM, in article
> >>> C687D435.3C205%use...@gallopinginsanity.com, "Snit"
> >>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> High Plains Thumper stated in post 4a627d6e$1...@news.x-privat.org on
> >>>> 7/18/09 6:56 PM:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Snit schreef:
> >>>>>> 7 stated:
> >>>>>>> Snit wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 7 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D
> >>>>>>>>> translucent desktop like compiz and have 8 hour battery
> >>>>>>>>> life. A lot better than any appil crap as well.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You can see the power of compiz on www.youtube.com It
> >>>>>>>>> free and it can be got working in something as small as
> >>>>>>>>> an Asus EEE netbook.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You are obsessed with compiz but have yet to say what
> >>>>>>>> value it adds.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You have yet to learn English.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your dodge is noted. Seriously - I have watched all sorts of
> >>>>>> videos showing it off... but what *value* do you think Compiz
> >>>>>> adds to a users experience?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For one, Compiz has "WOW!", versus Microsoft Vista. It is light
> >>>>> enough to run on a Linux netbook.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, it does offer some "wow" to draw people in and make Linux look
> >>>> "advanced". I will grant it that. What about real usability value?
> >>>> Clearly 7 could not come up with a single example. You?
> >>>
> >>> Or perhaps you simply missed it Snit?
> >>>
> >>> "How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D translucent
> >>> desktop like compiz and have 8 hour battery life."-7
> >>>
> >>> Why does 8 hour battery life not constitute "real usability value" to
> >>> you Snit?
> >>>
> >>
> >> How does compiz create 8 hours battery life? You're not WronG are you?
> >> Or maybe High Plains Hypocrite?
> >
> > Please explain your total misreading of what was actually written.
>
> Try to read Kohlkopf. Snit asked what Compiz bought to usability. Wally
> claimed 8 hours of usage for some reason.
Wally claimed NO such thing. You really should go back and re-read the full
thread.
> The question is how he thinks
> using compiz for 8 hours affects usability.
>
> In others words "8 hours" is nothing to do with interactive usability
> since compiz is nothing to do with that time. What was ASKED was how
> COMPIZ contributes to usability. Do TRY to understand these simple
> concepts.
>
>
>
> >
> >> Try to read the question before answering. It helps.
> >>
> >
> > Hilarious. That from the champion of "reading comprehension problems"
> > Hadron Snot Quark.
> >
> > Hint: What was actually written was that you can have 8 hours battery
> > usage while runnung compiz and having a "3D translucent desktop". It was
> > never claimed that compiz /enables/ having 8 hours usage. You have it
> > although compiz with its eye candy runs.
> > Compare that to the resource hog Vista or Win7
> >
> > You are seemingly dumber than Snot Glasser. And he is a master of
> > misinterpretion
>
> Try reading. I realise English is your second language, but I am
> surprised you managed to make yourself look so stupid here.
--
Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
yet more LIEs by michael glasser. so typical of the trolling idiot.
Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> Peter K�hlmann stated in post h3v31t$qo7$01$1...@news.t-online.com on 7/19/09
> 5:20 AM:
>
> >>> Hilarious. That from the champion of "reading comprehension problems"
> >>> Hadron Snot Quark.
> >>>
> >>> Hint: What was actually written was that you can have 8 hours battery
> >>> usage while runnung compiz and having a "3D translucent desktop". It
> >>> was never claimed that compiz /enables/ having 8 hours usage. You have
> >>> it although compiz with its eye candy runs.
> >>> Compare that to the resource hog Vista or Win7
> >>>
> >>> You are seemingly dumber than Snot Glasser. And he is a master of
> >>> misinterpretion
> >>
> >> Try reading. I realise English is your second language, but I am
> >> surprised you managed to make yourself look so stupid here.
> >>
> >
> > I was not the one asking "How does compiz create 8 hours battery life?"
> > That would be you, "true linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" Hadron Snot
> > Quark
>
> This is simple: Wally claimed, incorrectly, that a usability benefit of
> Compiz was that it lead to 8 hours of battery life.
Still repeating your lie. so typical of the trolling idiot.
>
> Wally has been called on his error.
>
> But you are not able to understand this. You, again, show you cannot
> understand simple concepts.
--
Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
LIAR
>
> Wally has been called on his error.
>
> But you are not able to understand this. You, again, show you cannot
> understand simple concepts.
--
Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
LIAR
>
> Wally has been called on his error.
>
> But you are not able to understand this. You, again, show you cannot
> understand simple concepts.
--
Ezekiel
"Peter K�hlmann" <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:h3v78j$uhf$02$1...@news.t-online.com...
> Hadron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally claimed 8 hours of usage for some reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In answer to what compiz bought to usability.
>>>
>>> You still are unable to read, Hadron Snot Quark
>>
>> Unfortunately for you, yo continue to dig a hole. Please READ what is
>> there. Are you really so dumb you can not understand the above?
>
> I do. It seems you are totally incapable to do so, though
>
>> He was asked what compiz brought to usability. He replied he gets 8
>> hours battery time running it.
>
> No, that is *not* what he replied
>
>> That makes NO sense and does not answer the question.
>
> It doesn't. Because you read it all wrong
> Not surprising, given your total reading comprehension disability
<quote>
(Snit)
> Yes, it does offer some "wow" to draw people in and make Linux look
> "advanced". I will grant it that. What about real usability value?
> Clearly 7 could not come up with a single example. You?
(Wally)
"How about installing Linux on an Asus netbooks with 3D translucent desktop
like compiz and have 8 hour battery life."-7
Why does 8 hour battery life not constitute "real usability value" to you
Snit?
</quote>
Only an idiot like Pecker K�hlmann would claim that Wally did *not* say
that 8 hours of battery life is a "usability value" of Compiz. The sentence
where Wally writes... "Why does 8 hour battery life not constitute "real
usability value" to you Snit?" is simple enough for a 12 year old to
understand.
Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
LIAR!
>
> Wally has been called on his error.
>
> But you are not able to understand this. You, again, show you cannot
> understand simple concepts.
--
Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
LIAR!
>
> Have Peter or Wally even used it?
--
Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
yet it is michael glasser that continually can't understand what is written. so
typical of the trolling idiot.
--
Ezekiel
"Tim Adams" <teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:teadams$2$0$0$3-158C34.11...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net...
Grow up you Windows using nym-shifting "advocate" troll.
Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
LIAR
>
> That is the only idea anyone - other than me - has come up with. Funny.
--
Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
LIAR
> Does anyone in COLA actually use it?
--
Snit
8:52 AM:
>>>> I have used it. Its impressive.
>>>>
>>>> But why anyone would use it on a professional desktop we're still
>>>> waiting to hear.
>>>
>>> I have offered a couple of possibilities of ways it might help users...
>>> Peter has not been able to... nor Wally (though Wally did try - he
>>> claimed 8
>>> hours of battery life was a benefit of Compiz).
>>
>> LIAR!
>
> Grow up you Windows using nym-shifting "advocate" troll.
Tim Adams is just defending his co-troll Wally. They *always* back each
other, no matter how absurd their trolling.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
8:49 AM:
As Wally has said of text in the past, it was "coherent and well ordered".
But now Wally and Peter claim to not understand it as a literate person
does.
--
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Hadron
> In article <h3uvrm$q5h$2...@hadron.eternal-september.org>,
> Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
I realise context is not your strong point (nor common sense or
intelligence it seems), but when he says compiz gives 8 hours laptop
time in response to a question about what benefits Compiz brings him
then that's EXACTLY what he IS claiming.
What is it with some of you fruits?
--
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/
"Nope, we know what an emulator does, and wine doesn't." - AH
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