Looking for MTA
BubbaT
I'm looking for an MTA. My distro didn't install anything by default,
now I'm trying to figure out which best serves my requirements.
The requirements:
I want to be able to configure it in the following way:
* It should retrieve/send my mail every six hours.
* I should be able to want to also force retrieval/sending at
anytime.
* The method it should use for sending email: any outgoing
email is stored in a folder. When the MTA is started ( to send
email ) the folder is checked. If email is found, then it is
sent.
I have multiple email accounts on multiple email accounts, on multiple
servers. The MTA should put some kind of header in each mail it
receives describing which server the mail came from. Most of the
servers use POP3 with authentication, though a few use SMTP.
All the accounts use SMTP to send mail, I would like the MTA to
read an email message in my outgoing folder and use a header
to determine which email server to use.
Finally it would be nice if there was a Gui that could configure it.
The idea would be something like swat is, where I use swat until
I get used to the sytax of an smb.conf, then just directly edit it. (
Actually I still use it the first time I use a new computer to create
a basic smb.conf file, then configure by hand. ). This isn't a deal
breaker. The simpler the configuration process the better.
Thank you
Sidney Lambe
"BubbaT <sti...@nospammers.com>"
There's all sorts of ways to do what you want, but I can't figure out
just why the hell you want to send so much mail.
You want me to believe that you are against spam, but you seem to
be a source of it.
Before you get any help from me, you'll need to explain why you send
so much mail and prove that your explanation is not just something
you made up.
Sid
--
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originating with a post from googlegroups.
See: http://tinyurl.com/4v394u
Bit Twister
>
> I'm looking for an MTA. My distro didn't install anything by default,
> now I'm trying to figure out which best serves my requirements.
You might want to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
You may get more specific answers to your questions. Some answers can
depend on distribution/version installed.
> The requirements:
Very weird and complex requirements. I can not see an off the shelf
MTA that would meet your requirements as stated.
> I want to be able to configure it in the following way:
> 01: It should retrieve/send my mail every six hours.
Weird. As stated, looks like a cron job to manage that requirement.
> 02: I should be able to want to also force retrieval/sending at
> anytime.
Yup, MTA has to be on 24/7 so cron job will be the tool managing your
01: requirement about retrieving mail.
> 03: The method it should use for sending email:
> 03.1 any outgoing email is stored in a folder.
Most MTA'S will have a method to hold outbound email until it can send it.
> 03.2 When the MTA is started ( to send email ) the folder is checked.
> If email is found, then it is sent.
Should be standard operation of any MTA
> I have multiple email accounts on multiple email accounts,
I wonder if that is just a mistake. If not would need explanation.
> on multiple servers.
Going to guess you will need a cron job there unless your other
servers have been configured to automagically forward mail to your MTA.
> The MTA should put some kind of header in each mail it
> receives describing which server the mail came from.
Hmmm, MTA's always have a header for tracing, Could you mean email body?
> Most of the
> servers use POP3 with authentication, though a few use SMTP.
Again, fetching email can be done with a cron job. MTA will not be
doing the job as you have defined it.
> All the accounts use SMTP to send mail, I would like the MTA to
> read an email message in my outgoing folder and use a header
> to determine which email server to use.
As I misunderstand that correctly, you will need a different linux account
for each different email server. I do the same thing for my hotmail,
yahoo,.... accounts.
> Finally it would be nice if there was a Gui that could configure it.
Sounds like a job for, wait, ta da, it's Webmin.
Of course, your requirements make any GUI MTA configuration tool non-existent.
> The idea would be something like swat is, where I use swat until
> I get used to the sytax of an smb.conf, then just directly edit it. (
> Actually I still use it the first time I use a new computer to create
> a basic smb.conf file, then configure by hand. ). This isn't a deal
> breaker.
Whoops, sorry, there seems to be a requirement switch to something
other that a MTA requirement.
I no longer can figure out what in the world you are _really_ trying to do.
> The simpler the configuration process the better.
Yes, I like the KISS method whenever possible.
I am going to recommend postfix an a linux MTA and Webmin as a gui
interface.
Of course the gui interface is going to hide any comments found
in each of the postfix config files.
Therefore you will need to spend lots to time a
http://www.postfix.org in the Document and FAQ sections.
The other requirements will be script writing for your cron jobs. Suggest
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html
I use fetchyahoo and getlive to pull my yahoo and hotmail messages.
BubbaT
Who said I said I want to send a lot of email? If I were ever to send
20 emails in one day, then I would say the day was wasted composing
email. ATM I'm averaging maybe an email every three days,
though I would like to get back in touch with a lot of people my
disorganized state has caused me to lose touch with.
What I do want is to maintain a lot of email accounts. Why?
A bunch are old (free) email accounts that I keep just in case someone
I haven't spoken to in a while sends me a message. Another set are
accounts from my present ISP ( which gives me a lot ).
I have long since learned that if I send out an email which appears in
a public place that email will become a permanent part of the internet
available to any future possible employer, insurer, etc...
So, one account for my real self, one account for BubbaT which will
mostly reflect professional interests. One account for medical
information, so that my health problems are not out there for people
who don't need to know them to find. Other accounts to reflect various
interests. I already subscribe to five different mail lists and expect
to subscribe to more. I would like to have a separate account for each
"genre" of mail list.
I also want to have these stored in a folder instead of just using
some mail client, because some mails I want to archive ( mail from
boss, mail from family and friends, certain mail on some mail lists ).
I also want to sort the email according to category. So I want
procmail to have access to it.
BubbaT
The Natural Philosopher
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:37:09 -0500, BubbaT wrote:
>> I'm looking for an MTA. My distro didn't install anything by default,
>> now I'm trying to figure out which best serves my requirements.
>
> You might want to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> You may get more specific answers to your questions. Some answers can
> depend on distribution/version installed.
>
>> The requirements:
>
> Very weird and complex requirements. I can not see an off the shelf
> MTA that would meet your requirements as stated.
>
>
sendmail will.
>> I want to be able to configure it in the following way:
>> 01: It should retrieve/send my mail every six hours.
>
> Weird. As stated, looks like a cron job to manage that requirement.
>
MTAS don't fetch mail.
However fetchmail will feed an MTA so run that under crom, if its pop
mail you are fetching.
>> 02: I should be able to want to also force retrieval/sending at
>> anytime.
>
> Yup, MTA has to be on 24/7 so cron job will be the tool managing your
> 01: requirement about retrieving mail.
>
If you don't run sendmail as a background daemon, you can invoke it in
queue mode only, and run a queue flush under cron.
>> 03: The method it should use for sending email:
>> 03.1 any outgoing email is stored in a folder.
>
> Most MTA'S will have a method to hold outbound email until it can send it.
>
>> 03.2 When the MTA is started ( to send email ) the folder is checked.
>> If email is found, then it is sent.
>
> Should be standard operation of any MTA
>
yup.
>> I have multiple email accounts on multiple email accounts,
>
> I wonder if that is just a mistake. If not would need explanation.
>
I think he means he has more than one mail identity per ISP, and more
than one ISP.
>> on multiple servers.
>
> Going to guess you will need a cron job there unless your other
> servers have been configured to automagically forward mail to your MTA.
>
I suspect hes running pop boxes all over the place.
>
>> The MTA should put some kind of header in each mail it
>> receives describing which server the mail came from.
>
> Hmmm, MTA's always have a header for tracing, Could you mean email body?
>
Indeed.
>> Most of the
>> servers use POP3 with authentication, though a few use SMTP.
>
> Again, fetching email can be done with a cron job. MTA will not be
> doing the job as you have defined it.
>
SMTP is not what a server does. Its what an MTA does. Some confusion here.
>> All the accounts use SMTP to send mail, I would like the MTA to
>> read an email message in my outgoing folder and use a header
>> to determine which email server to use.
>
> As I misunderstand that correctly, you will need a different linux account
> for each different email server. I do the same thing for my hotmail,
> yahoo,.... accounts.
>
Nah. Not necessary.
You can frig sendmail to do all this, but its complex..look at the from:
address and then forward according to that. Probably have to rewrite a
bit of it though.
>
>> Finally it would be nice if there was a Gui that could configure it.
>
> Sounds like a job for, wait, ta da, it's Webmin.
> Of course, your requirements make any GUI MTA configuration tool non-existent.
>
Omygawd.
I think what he really wants is microsoft exchange :-)
It shouldnt NEED configuring once its set up..
>> The idea would be something like swat is, where I use swat until
>> I get used to the sytax of an smb.conf, then just directly edit it. (
>> Actually I still use it the first time I use a new computer to create
>> a basic smb.conf file, then configure by hand. ). This isn't a deal
>> breaker.
>
> Whoops, sorry, there seems to be a requirement switch to something
> other that a MTA requirement.
>
> I no longer can figure out what in the world you are _really_ trying to do.
>
Indeeed.
The Natural Philosopher
Well I do all this using Thunderbird.
Why bother with an MTA at all?
You dont need one.
>
> BubbaT
>
>
Bit Twister
>
> What I do want is to maintain a lot of email accounts. Why?
> A bunch are old (free) email accounts that I keep just in case someone
> I haven't spoken to in a while sends me a message. Another set are
> accounts from my present ISP ( which gives me a lot ).
For that setup, postfix will fit your requirements.
You create a linux account for each different external email account.
Each account sends replies back through your ISP's MTA.
You use /etc/postfix/generics to munge the header from
user@your_domain to some_user@that_other_domain.
You have a cron job for each user to fetch mail on whatever time cycle you like.
When any email shows up, cron job can check if bubbat is logged in.
If so, call a script which automagically logs into that linux account.
That a account's .bash_profile then launches your MUA of choice,
using DISPLAY=:0, which would cause the MUA to show up in your current desktop.
Sidney Lambe
Except that you provide no email address for BubbaT.
Pretty hard to do do business that way....
One account for medical
> information, so that my health problems are not out there for people
> who don't need to know them to find. Other accounts to reflect various
> interests. I already subscribe to five different mail lists and expect
> to subscribe to more. I would like to have a separate account for each
> "genre" of mail list.
>
> I also want to have these stored in a folder instead of just using
> some mail client, because some mails I want to archive ( mail from
> boss, mail from family and friends, certain mail on some mail lists ).
> I also want to sort the email according to category. So I want
> procmail to have access to it.
>
> BubbaT
>
>
I'll pass. I don't believe you. And I am greatly enjoying the way
most of the others here are making such a simple thing into a
major project for geeks. That's their style. Enjoy.
Bit Twister
> BubbaT <sti...@nospammers.com> wrote:
>>
>> So, one account for my real self, one account for BubbaT which will
>> mostly reflect professional interests.
>
> Except that you provide no email address for BubbaT.
>
> Pretty hard to do do business that way....
Bullshit. I do the same thing.
I have a FYI and humor email list.
While surfing, using my linux "browser" account, I save something into a
directory that I want sent to people in my email lists.
bittwister cron job runs around 4am, looks through those directories and if
anything is found, send it to everyone who is marked to receive that
directory's contents.
Postfix's generic file, munges headers with bittw...@wm81.home.test to
my_...@yahoo.com and sends to my ISP.
People in the email list sees From: my_...@yahoo.com (Bit Twister)
When they reply, it goes back to my_...@yahoo.com.
my_addy's cron job runs fetchyahoo runs in a cron job to pull down any
email which I read from my_addy login account on wm81.home.test.
My bittwister email account does not exist anywhere outside of
home.test domain.
Like BubbaT, I have separate email accounts for each activity, bank, isp,
creditcard, family, friends,....
If I start getting spam in an account, I have a fair ideal where the
email leak came from.
With the separate accounts, an MUA email exploit in one account can
not expose my other account names or contents.
Maxwell Lol
> I have multiple email accounts on multiple email accounts, on multiple
> servers. The MTA should put some kind of header in each mail it
> receives describing which server the mail came from. Most of the
> servers use POP3 with authentication, though a few use SMTP.
So how do you plan to retrieve the e-mail? POP3, IMAP?
This is not what a MTA does, as I understand it.
An MTA uses SMTP to send mail/receive to another computer.
Maxwell Lol
>> Very weird and complex requirements. I can not see an off the shelf
>> MTA that would meet your requirements as stated.
>>
>>
>
> sendmail will.
How will it retrieve mail from a gmail account?
Sidney Lambe
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:57:23 -0700, Sidney Lambe wrote:
>> BubbaT <sti...@nospammers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So, one account for my real self, one account for BubbaT which will
>>> mostly reflect professional interests.
>>
>> Except that you provide no email address for BubbaT.
>>
>> Pretty hard to do do business that way....
>
> Bullshit.
That appears to be Bubba's specialty.
At least he's true to his name.
> I do the same thing.
I was referring to his lack of an address in his posts here.
Which leads one to wonder why he doesn't mention his business and
its nature and the website even the tiniest businesses seem to have
these days.
[delete]
I have deleted all the info about your Rube Goldberg mail setup.
And I feel sorry as hell for anyone on your mailing list. I hate
it when airheads fill my mailbox with stupid crap they find
on the web.
BubbaT
<nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Normally I leave the potential flamewars/trolls till last, but when I
googled your name I decided to reply first to warn others off, plus it
won't take long. Since you are a certified troll I thought it might
save some flaming.
Folks, this guy is a noted troll:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_thread/thread/6edf9ae3798e8120/47c4be00f99a26f6?lnk=st&q=Sidney+Lambe#47c4be00f99a26f6
A little googling will reveal him to be a the same guy,
I suggest you do the same thing that I did, put him in your moron
file.
Now I get back to the other replies.
BubbaT
Sidney Lambe
Now I know you are a complete fraud. You must be one of the
assholes that make alt.atheism the cesspool it is. "Trolls"
are the always the first to call other people "trolls" in my
experience. They just aren't very bright.
I'll bet I have already killfiled a dozen of the names you
hide behind. But let's add another one, just to keep the
shit in my downloads to a minimum.
<plonk>
BubbaT <sti...@nospammers.com>
I do believe I have just stuck it to a would-be spammer.
Sidney Lambe
Revisited.
So I'm a "troll" and you apparently have only 4 post on the usenet although you
are obviously very, very comfortable on the usenet and are using forte agent, a
"pro" newsreader?
Why did you create a new name just for this thread? What are you hiding?
And you want us to believe you are against spammers: BubbaT
"<sti...@nospammers.com>" . Yet you want an elaborate mail
system that will send mail for you every 6 hours from many
different mail accounts on different servers.
And then you claim that you only send one mail every two or three days:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/msg/68f530c80363bb61
I think that we know who the "troll" is here. And I think we know that
you are a "troll" who wants to take the next natural evolutionary step
in the life of an internet scumbag: Spammer.
I wouldn't advise it, "BubbaT". They put spammers in jail these days
and you obviously aren't very bright.
andrew
> So how do you plan to retrieve the e-mail? POP3, IMAP?
> This is not what a MTA does, as I understand it.
>
> An MTA uses SMTP to send mail/receive to another computer.
There is a nice page on the MuttWiki which describes the alphabet soup
of the Mail Concept beautifully:
http://wiki.mutt.org/?MailConcept
It is a great demonstration of the choice available to Linux users and
an excellent demonstration of how these acronyms can be melded together
in some software.
Andrew
--
Do you think that's air you're breathing now?
BubbaT
From what some people have said ( in particular Maxwell ) that an MTA
is a program that transfers mail from a mail server to another mail
server.
My understanding of an MTA is a program that transfers mail from a
server or MUA to a mail server or an MDA ( which may actually be built
into the MTA ) for delivery locally. ( Meaning the MDA. )
The program I am looking for should either transfer mail from a mail
accounts to a -- call it a "mail repository" and take some mail stored
for sending and transfer it to a mail server. To me this seems to fit
into the category of MTA as I understood it to be.
In any case to clarify what I want to do is this: I have a lot of
what I want to call "junk mail" but that phrase is used :( instead
I'll call it old mail that needs sorting and processing: furthermore;
I don't want the new email I get to be stored the internal database
of some email client, instead I want my email in a directory stored in
some standard format. I then want to use procmail to sort and organise
it. In the end i want to use an MUA to browse it. Of course I skipped
the part about sending email, but I see that as not being as complex,
the one difficulty being getting the "program I am looking for" to
send it to the server I want via the account I want.
Hope that clarifies things a bit.
Dan C
> I think that we know who the "troll" is here. And I think we know that
> you are a "troll" who wants to take the next natural evolutionary step
> in the life of an internet scumbag: Spammer.
>
> I wouldn't advise it, "BubbaT". They put spammers in jail these days
> and you obviously aren't very bright.
For anyone who may not already know, this dipshit "Sidney Lambe" is
actually just the latest nymshift of the reviled Usenet kook, "Alan
Connor". You may also know him as "Tom Newton" which is the name he used
for many months prior to this latest nymshift. He is a complete and utter
fucking whacko, and is best ignored. See the link in my sig for more info
on this retarded moron, and do not respond to his trolling.
> Sid
Your name is not "Sid", Alan Connor. Get back to the psychiatric clinic
and get back on the meds.
--
"Sidney Lambe" ("Tom Newton") - the latest nymshift of "Alan Connor".
Read more about the netkook Alan Connor here:
http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/ac/fga.shtml
Email him: calh...@gmail.com or simple...@gmail.com
BubbaT
<BitTw...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:37:09 -0500, BubbaT wrote:
>>
>> The requirements:
>
>Very weird and complex requirements. I can not see an off the shelf
>MTA that would meet your requirements as stated.
>
Strange I actually thought that most of the requirements were ones
that most MTAs would satisfy, I'm just not sure which combinations any
MTA can satisfy.
To clarify my situation, I am a person who had five computers. I've
just bought a new computers and am relegating four of my computers to
the basement. The fifth will become a router/firewall. Inherent in
that is a lot fo transfering of files,backing up, etc. along with
reorganising everything, including my mail.
>Some answers can depend on distribution/version installed.
Since the machine I am running on is a dual boot linux/XP, I plan on
running this in a VM. The idea being I can store the mail in an NTFS
partition that is accessed from the VM via samba. I can then run the
VM from either linux or XP.
>
>Yup, MTA has to be on 24/7 so cron job will be the tool managing your
I figured most would, but I can forsee where someone writes an MTA
that might run as a daemon, and can only send/retrieve at the fixed
times.
>> I have multiple email accounts on multiple email accounts,
Well I have several gmail, hotmail, yahoo, etc. accounts. They just
pile up over the years.
>> The MTA should put some kind of header in each mail it
>> receives describing which server the mail came from.
>
>Hmmm, MTA's always have a header for tracing, Could you mean email body?
No. But after the MTA is done I expect procmail or an equivalent to
organise ( reorganise ) the mail. I can forsee procmail needing to
know which server it came from to properly sort it.
>> Most of the
>> servers use POP3 with authentication, though a few use SMTP.
>
>Again, fetching email can be done with a cron job. MTA will not be
>doing the job as you have defined it.
>
I'm confused. I thought the cron job you reffer to would by necessity
call an MTA.
Actually looking through the other email messages and googling a bit I
see that I may be confused by what an MTA actually is. I'm going to
stop this post now to compose another about this.
>
>As I misunderstand that correctly, you will need a different linux account
>for each different email server. I do the same thing for my hotmail,
>yahoo,.... accounts.
>
Exactly
>
>> Finally it would be nice if there was a Gui that could configure it.
>
>Whoops, sorry, there seems to be a requirement switch to something
>other that a MTA requirement.
>
>I no longer can figure out what in the world you are _really_ trying to do.
>
Sorry if I confused you, I meant to discuss my philosphy of
configuration. As Natural Philospher has demonstrated many Linux fans
think negatively of using a GUI to configure anything. For the most
part I tend to agree, I have never seen a GUI configuration manager
which can handle the day to day work as intricately as confoguration
files/commandline configuartion managers. There always seems to be
something missing from the GUI. OTOH, for people who are new to the
system they are configuring, or for people who are configuring a newly
installed system, GUI's really shine. To sum up the idea is to use GUI
when learning the tool or when starting a new installation and move to
configuration filesw/commandline managers as the ball gets rolling.
>I use fetchyahoo and getlive to pull my yahoo and hotmail messages.
Hmm. fetchmail looks like it can handle about half the requirements,
along with getlive and some more generic MRA. On a side note, it seems
fairly obvjoius that fetchyahoo is a scraping perl script, do you
know of any other such scarping tools for yahoo, gmail or hotmail?
I'm most interested in a tool that helps me me manage yahoo
AddressGuard messages locally.
Thanks
BubbaT
BubbaT
wrote:
Thanks! It's a bit better then the other ones like it I've seen.
So from that it seems that what I am looking for is a combination
MRA/MSA ( though they do not really discuss MSAs much ) which can be
configured to retrieve/send on a schedule or be asked to do so at the
moment. Where both sending and retrieval is done through multiple
remote email accounts and retrieved is stored in one repository in a
"standard format". It should be able to handle both SMTP and POP3
porotocols. There should also have an optional GUI to configure the
program.
Bit Twister
> Strange I actually thought that most of the requirements were ones
> that most MTAs would satisfy,
In summary, your 6 hour read/send, anytime, and other requirements
seemly, at the same time, and whatnot made yore request strange.
> I'm just not sure which combinations any MTA can satisfy.
In a nutshell, MTAs talk to other MTAs to pass mail back and forth
between systems. When your MTA decides the user is on it's node, it
accepts the mail and stores in user inbox.
Your MUA, uses pop/imap to fetch and read the email.
If you want to know a little more,
take a look at http://wiki.mutt.org/?MailConcept
> To clarify my situation, I am a person who had five computers. I've
> just bought a new computers and am relegating four of my computers to
> the basement. The fifth will become a router/firewall. Inherent in
> that is a lot fo transfering of files,backing up, etc. along with
> reorganising everything, including my mail.
>
>>Some answers can depend on distribution/version installed.
> Since the machine I am running on is a dual boot linux/XP, I plan on
> running this in a VM. The idea being I can store the mail in an NTFS
> partition that is accessed from the VM via samba. I can then run the
> VM from either linux or XP.
OMG, that sounds like mounting a Porush on top of a VW. :(
Suggest one machine just running linux as your LAN email/file server.
>>Yup, MTA has to be on 24/7 so cron job will be the tool managing your
> I figured most would, but I can forsee where someone writes an MTA
> that might run as a daemon,
They usually are running as a 24/7 daemon. Dialup users have a bit of
a problem. :-)
> and can only
Nope, you want MTA on 24/7 so your MUA/cron jobs can send at any time
and the MTA will get around to passing any outbound email to your
ISP's MTA for Internet delivery.
> send/retrieve at the fixed times.
See, there is one of the weird requirements.
From what you said in all your posts to date, MTA will need be running
all the time. You use batch jobs to scrape/pull down email from the
old email accounts.
As a matter of fact, I have a batch job which runs once a month
to send each of my old accounts an email just to keep the ISP from
deleting the account due to lack of use. :-)
> No. But after the MTA is done I expect procmail or an equivalent to
> organise ( reorganise ) the mail. I can forsee procmail needing to
> know which server it came from to properly sort it.
You create a linux account for each external email account.
The MTA will save inbound mail in to that account's inbox.
Pretty straight forward.
> I'm confused. I thought the cron job you reffer to would by necessity
> call an MTA.
Yes, but why the confusion. Example, fetchmail running in cron pulls
mail down some external email account and sends it to whoever you have
set in fetchmail's config file. Default would be same user running the cron job.
MTA routes it to that user's inbox.
Pretty straight forward.
> Actually looking through the other email messages and googling a bit I
> see that I may be confused by what an MTA actually is. I'm going to
> stop this post now to compose another about this.
No reason to start another until you get this fairly straightened out
in your head.
>>As I misunderstand that correctly, you will need a different linux account
>>for each different email server. I do the same thing for my hotmail,
>>yahoo,.... accounts.
>>
> Exactly
Ok, you pick postfix as your MTA, dovecot for your pop/imap
requirements and create a "bubbat" linux log in account.
postfix file changes are:
in /etc/postfix/aliases
change root: postfix
to root: bubbat
in /etc/postfix/main.cf add the following and change
mynetworks and relayhost values to your values.
#*****************************************************************
# My changes appended to main.cf for my LAN nodes
#*****************************************************************
default_destination_concurrency_limit = 1
masquerade_exceptions = root
mydestination = $myhostname localhost.$mydomain localhost $mydomain
mynetworks = 192.168.1.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8
relayhost = your_ISP_MTA_here
relay_domains =
inet_interfaces = all
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
smtp_host_lookup = dns, native
#*****************************************************************
# Sending: swap out email addresses that appear inside messages (From:)
# Recipients doing a reply will send mail to second column.
# Added a line like
# bittw...@wm81.home.test my_l...@verizon.net
#
# postmap generic <===== builds generic.db file
#
#*****************************************************************
smtp_generic_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/generic
#********************** end main.cf ********************
run the commands
postalias aliases
postmap generic
in /etc/dovecot.config
change #mail_location
to mail_location = mbox:~/mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u
You then restart postfix and dovecot and bubbat should receive
any email sent to root from any cron job failures.
For testing, you:
log into bubbat
click up two terminals
In one terminal, login as root
su - root
Now send root a testshot email
mail -s "$USER testshot" $USER < /dev/null
In the other terminal
mail
1 root testshot <=== unread message
Carriage Return <=== reads message 1
d >=== delete currently read message
q <=== exit mail
Now send bubbat a message in this terminal
mail -s "$USER testshot" $USER < /dev/null
mail
1 bubbat testshot <=== unread message
Carriage Return <=== reads message 1
d >=== delete currently read message
q <=== exit mail
Now, you click up a gui MUA, set in/out bound servers then send a test
message from the terminal with
mail -s "$USER MUA testshot" $USER < /dev/null
click read mail in the gui and you should see
bubbat MUA testshot
Once that works, you start on the other user accounts.
> OTOH, for people who are new to the
> system they are configuring, or for people who are configuring a newly
> installed system, GUI's really shine. To sum up the idea is to use GUI
> when learning the tool or when starting a new installation and move to
> configuration filesw/commandline managers as the ball gets rolling.
Well, you need to read those config files before using the gui.
I recommend copying the file to file_orig before making the first change.
You can then do something like
diff -bBw main.cf main.cf_orig
to see what has changed.
Webmin is going to hide the comments and pretty sure you will not have
a clue as what has to set/added/changed. Webmin is not a wizard. It just
allows you to pick a config file and start hacking away at it.
>>I use fetchyahoo and getlive to pull my yahoo and hotmail messages.
> Hmm. fetchmail looks like it can handle about half the requirements,
> along with getlive and some more generic MRA.
Yep, they would pull down any email in a cron job.
You could test the line count of /var/mail/$USER and if greater than
a set value, do a
mail -s "$USER has email" bubbat < /dev/null
You would never have to go check those old accounts.
> On a side note, it seems fairly obvjoius that fetchyahoo is a
> scraping perl script, do you know of any other such scarping tools
> for yahoo, gmail or hotmail?
Not really, but you can start by searching
http://freshmeat.net/
http://sourceforge.net/
And I find this pretty handy
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search
BubbaT
wrote:
>Well I do all this using Thunderbird.
>
>Why bother with an MTA at all?
>
>You dont need one.
Actually I've used it and it doesn't do all that I've asked.
Let us setup a simple example:
My computer has one account-- root. From root it accesses three
accounts via pop3, bub...@notyahoo.com, mym...@notyahoo.com,
tbu...@notyahoo.com. ( God I hope that making up these addresses
doesn't accidentally put some people on a spammers list. ) It
automatically retrieves all the email in those accounts at
12am,6am,12pm, and 6pm, then stores it in /mnt/email/Incoming in a
format that can be read by procmail.
How can you configure Thunderbird to do this?
Chris F.A. Johnson
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:10:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c>
> wrote:
>
>>Well I do all this using Thunderbird.
>>
>>Why bother with an MTA at all?
>>
>>You dont need one.
>
> Actually I've used it and it doesn't do all that I've asked.
> Let us setup a simple example:
> My computer has one account-- root. From root it accesses three
> accounts via pop3, bub...@notyahoo.com, mym...@notyahoo.com,
> tbu...@notyahoo.com. ( God I hope that making up these addresses
> doesn't accidentally put some people on a spammers list. )
Always use an invalid address, or a domain that is set up
specifically for use in examples: example.com, example.org,
example.net.
> It
> automatically retrieves all the email in those accounts at
> 12am,6am,12pm, and 6pm, then stores it in /mnt/email/Incoming in a
> format that can be read by procmail.
>
> How can you configure Thunderbird to do this?
>
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Baho Utot
Sounds like a job for fetchmail and friends
Maxwell Lol
> Strange I actually thought that most of the requirements were ones
> that most MTAs would satisfy, I'm just not sure which combinations any
> MTA can satisfy.
Mail systems routinely exchange SMTP information. You can set up a
relationship with the owner of the mail server to accept packets from
you for forwarding. Naturally spammers try to find such relay hosts
and abuse them. So the MTA owners use authentication, and filters to
prevent this.
This doesn't mean that you can do this to a gmail.com
account. Obviously. You need to come to an agreement with the owner
of the MTA to allow mail forwarding.
> To clarify my situation, I am a person who had five computers. I've
> just bought a new computers and am relegating four of my computers to
> the basement. The fifth will become a router/firewall. Inherent in
> that is a lot fo transfering of files,backing up, etc. along with
> reorganising everything, including my mail.
It's it's all your own equipment, then this is easy. Sendmail, for
instance, has a "smarthost" option. All mail on a machine is forwarded
to the smarthost.
> Well I have several gmail, hotmail, yahoo, etc. accounts. They just
> pile up over the years.
You can use some MUA to pick up e-mail and copy it to your computer.
The POP3 protocol allows this.
> No. But after the MTA is done I expect procmail or an equivalent to
> organise ( reorganise ) the mail. I can forsee procmail needing to
> know which server it came from to properly sort it.
If you grab a stack of mail from a POP3 server, all of the mail was sent to
the same address (unless you forward mail from multiple accounts).
I usually sort by the From: or Subject: field.
> I'm confused. I thought the cron job you reffer to would by necessity
> call an MTA.
Just as a note - sendmail can use cron, but it has it's own queing system.
>>I use fetchyahoo and getlive to pull my yahoo and hotmail messages.
> Hmm. fetchmail looks like it can handle about half the requirements,
> along with getlive and some more generic MRA. On a side note, it seems
> fairly obvjoius that fetchyahoo is a scraping perl script, do you
> know of any other such scarping tools for yahoo, gmail or hotmail?
> I'm most interested in a tool that helps me me manage yahoo
> AddressGuard messages locally.
I assume fetchmail uses POP3 to grab email. So it should work for any
POP3-based server. If you use IMAP (i.e. Outlook) you need a different
tool.
The standard UNIX mailbox format is easy to parse.
For instance, perl can do a split using the string "^From " to
separate a large mail folder into individual e-mails.
You can combine
folders with a simple cat.
Maxwell Lol
> Nope, you want MTA on 24/7 so your MUA/cron jobs can send at any time
> and the MTA will get around to passing any outbound email to your
> ISP's MTA for Internet delivery.
I am not sure you want to run a MTA 24/7. To me, this implies a SMTP
server that accepts mail. If you have your own domain, and want to
receive mail, then yes you do need a 24/7 server. I do this. It's not
trivial. I get 20,000 spam messages a day I reject. You also need a
secondary MX server in case your server goes down.
> MTA routes it to that user's inbox.
> Pretty straight forward.
Some people call this function a MDA (Mail Delivery Agent).
I am not sure you really want a MTA. It soulds like you want to run
fetchmail and then take all of the mail and organize it. Replying to
mail sent to different addresses would be difficult.
You could use a POP3 mechanism to connect to yahoo, and send a message
out. There must be some tool to do this, but I never needed one.
Bit Twister
> Bit Twister <BitTw...@mouse-potato.com> writes:
> I am not sure you want to run a MTA 24/7. To me, this implies a SMTP
> server that accepts mail.
That is correct. I just not advocating allowing the Internet to make a
connection to the MTA.
> If you have your own domain, and want to
> receive mail, then yes you do need a 24/7 server.
In the requirements bubbat wants, any of his LAN accounts can send
mail at any time. That would almost require 24/7 MTA, the other being
xinetd which can launch a daemon/service upon demand.
> I am not sure you really want a MTA. It soulds like you want to run
> fetchmail
Yes that too. That way you would not have the MTA accepting inbound
connects from the Internet, just connections from LAN nodes.
bubbat did not indicate a registered domain, so I recommend postfix's
generic file to convert his LAN domain headers into each email
account's domain. That gets the email by those pesky rules setup by
some sys admins.
> and then take all of the mail and organize it. Replying to
> mail sent to different addresses would be difficult.
Absolutely correct. Other requirements like creating email copies and
since he is using Micro$oft, would not hurt to hook in clamv to cut
down possible malware in the mail.
BubbaT
<BitTw...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>In the requirements bubbat wants, any of his LAN accounts can send
>mail at any time. That would almost require 24/7 MTA, the other being
>xinetd which can launch a daemon/service upon demand.
Let me clarify. I want to setup a schedule to retrieve/send email. For
example, I want the system to automatically 6am, noon, 6pm and
midnight retrieve my email, and to send any email queued for sending.
But I also have to anticip[ate things like my boss calling at 200pm
saying, "BubbaT we have an emergency I need you to work on. The
details are in an email I sent you."
So i want the equivalent of two push buttons on my desktop: "Send
email now", and "get email now".
Bit Twister
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:01:57 +0000 (UTC), Bit Twister
><BitTw...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>
>>In the requirements bubbat wants, any of his LAN accounts can send
>>mail at any time. That would almost require 24/7 MTA, the other being
>>xinetd which can launch a daemon/service upon demand.
>
> Let me clarify. I want to setup a schedule to retrieve/send email.
We have that down pat, you run a cron job. It pulls the mail from the
account and it gets stored on your machine for reading at your pleasure.
> For
> example, I want the system to automatically 6am, noon, 6pm and
> midnight retrieve my email, and to send any email queued for sending.
With an MTA running 24/7 any email gets sent as soon as it can hand it
off to your ISP's MTA
> But I also have to anticip[ate things like my boss calling at 200pm
> saying, "BubbaT we have an emergency I need you to work on. The
> details are in an email I sent you."
Method I use is when I click my shortcut for that account,
the login runs fetchmail and launches thunderbird so I can open it.
Downside there is if your hot/g/yahoo mail has not received the
message before fetchmail pulls in upon login.
You would have to logout/in for fetchmail to pull down for your MUA.
> So i want the equivalent of two push buttons on my desktop: "Send
> email now", and "get email now".
Dang requirement creep. 8-)
Since MUA can connect to running MTA, email leaves your LAN pretty
quick after clicking Send in your MUA.
Ok, login script would also launch a script to run fetchmail again
upon a button click in the xmessage pop up.
Or, just have a script to run fetchmail every so often while
the MUA is running for that user.
I have a feeling, all this goes into the trash bin as soon as you add
the requirement this all has to work while logged into a Micro$not OS.
Marylin
>
> I'm looking for an MTA. My distro didn't install anything by default,
> now I'm trying to figure out which best serves my requirements.
> The requirements:
>
> I want to be able to configure it in the following way:
> * It should retrieve/send my mail every six hours.
> * I should be able to want to also force retrieval/sending at
> anytime.
> * The method it should use for sending email: any outgoing
> email is stored in a folder. When the MTA is started ( to send
> email ) the folder is checked. If email is found, then it is
> sent.
>
> servers. The MTA should put some kind of header in each mail it
> receives describing which server the mail came from. Most of the
> servers use POP3 with authentication, though a few use SMTP.
>
> read an email message in my outgoing folder and use a header
> to determine which email server to use.
>
> I get used to the sytax of an smb.conf, then just directly edit it. (
> Actually I still use it the first time I use a new computer to create
> a basic smb.conf file, then configure by hand. ). This isn't a deal
> breaker. The simpler the configuration process the better.
>
> Thank you
You don't need a MTA u need a MUA. Ever tried Thunderbird?
Peter
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BubbaT 提到:
>> "BubbaT <sti...@nospammers.com>"
>>
>> There's all sorts of ways to do what you want, but I can't figure out
>> just why the hell you want to send so much mail.
>>
>> You want me to believe that you are against spam, but you seem to
>> be a source of it.
>>
>> Before you get any help from me, you'll need to explain why you send
>> so much mail and prove that your explanation is not just something
>> you made up.
>>
>> Sid
> Who said I said I want to send a lot of email? If I were ever to send
> 20 emails in one day, then I would say the day was wasted composing
> email. ATM I'm averaging maybe an email every three days,
> though I would like to get back in touch with a lot of people my
> disorganized state has caused me to lose touch with.
>
> What I do want is to maintain a lot of email accounts. Why?
> A bunch are old (free) email accounts that I keep just in case someone
> I haven't spoken to in a while sends me a message. Another set are
> accounts from my present ISP ( which gives me a lot ).
>
> I have long since learned that if I send out an email which appears in
> a public place that email will become a permanent part of the internet
> available to any future possible employer, insurer, etc...
>
> So, one account for my real self, one account for BubbaT which will
> mostly reflect professional interests. One account for medical
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