Re: Dual booting sucks
Rex Ballard
> I gave ubuntu another try. With 9.04 grub would not work properly even
> when setup manually. I resorted to a windows boot manager to fix the
> problem. Anyway with 9.10 grub seems to work which is wonderful.
There were some problems for some hardware with the 9.04 release, even
early versions of 9.10 were causing people trouble, but a re-master of
9.10 "stable state" seems to be much better. I'm sure some hardware
would cause problems.
> The thing that sucks is the integration with ntfs. After following a
> guide and trying to setup a shared firefox profile PySDM screwed up(or
> maybe it was me who knows) my fstab(think thats the name for it)
> causing me to reinstall again.
> I don't have the experience for manual
> editing.
If you really want, you can use gedit or nedit which are much like
notepad. These are simpler editors than vi, which has a great deal of
power once you learn it, but there is a learning curve.
For the mount settings
http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.ntfs-3g
the most important part is the umask=002 rather than the default 222,
which sets the drive as read-only.
NTFS has some design issues which have been discovered by the Linux
community. I'm sure Microsoft was also aware of them. The key
problem is that if you don't properly close/power-down/unmount the
hard drive, flushing everything from disk cache, there is the
possibility of getting a corrupt drive. In addition, if you fill the
drive completely, you can get a corrupt drive. This is a fundamental
characteristic of how NTFS allocates space and assigns that space to
files.
Red Hat maintained a policy of only granting read-only access, because
they didn't want to risk being responsible for losing a user's NTFS
data.
SUSE was a bit pragmatic, allowing customers read-write access, but
with a clear understanding that there was a risk.
> For whatever reason I could not get it to auto mount my main
> windows directory.
FSTAB supports all file system types. Most GUI interfaces to FSTAB
tend to be more focused on the "safest" and most popular file system
types. The GUI interfaces usually have a text field called "options"
which is where you put this umask setting.
philo
FWIF: I've been using Ubuntu 9.04 since it was released
and have not had even a hint of a problem
No problem with NTFS either...I have an external drive that I use with
both Linux and occasionally Windows...so it's NTFS
I of course always unmount it properly
JediSpork
installing a new hard drive. I now have a working ex4 storage drive!
If I mirror the drives this will mostly solve my problem of not being
able to auto samba a ntfs folder on boot. Still need to try and get
shared firefox setup with ntfsconfig. Hoping it doesn't have the
problems that the other program has.
thanks for the help
Chris Ahlstrom
> <anecdote snipped>
>
> Will any of these things be sorted out down the road? Easier to setup
> new drives, or better integration with ntfs?
WTF?
You can read/write to an NTFS drive these days.
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Chris Ahlstrom
> I just wanted to say I found a guide and followed the steps for
You don't need to use Samba on an NTFS folder.
You use Samba on SMB/CIFS shares.
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RonB
> JediSpork pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> <anecdote snipped>
>>
>> Will any of these things be sorted out down the road? Easier to setup
>> new drives, or better integration with ntfs?
>
> WTF?
>
> You can read/write to an NTFS drive these days.
The real question, of course, is can Windows read an ext4 partition?
But dual-booting *is* a pain. If you must run the Malware Magnet OS, run
it in a virtual machine under Linux.
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Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
JediSpork
> You don't need to use Samba on an NTFS folder.
>
> You use Samba on SMB/CIFS shares.
>
Is there a easy way to auto share a folder on a ntfs drive? As I said
before I have files that I would like shared no matter what o/s I use.
I may look into using one one of these virtual box configurations. I
still have programs that don't work well with wine, for example my
harmony remote software.
Chris Ahlstrom
> On Mar 2, 5:41?am, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
>> You don't need to use Samba on an NTFS folder.
>>
>> You use Samba on SMB/CIFS shares.
>>
> Is there a easy way to auto share a folder on a ntfs drive? As I said
> before I have files that I would like shared no matter what o/s I use.
Uh, on the Windows machine, right-click and select Sharing....
> I may look into using one one of these virtual box configurations. I
> still have programs that don't work well with wine, for example my
> harmony remote software.
Check this out, you may be able to use them for your remote:
http://www.phildev.net/harmony/
Concordance
Congruity
Both are in the Debian (and presumably Ubuntu) repos.
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JediSpork
e.
>
> Uh, on the Windows machine, right-click and select Sharing....
>
Thats the easy part, unfortunately it doesn't work the same in ubuntu
for a ntfs drive.
thanks for the the remote info, will check it out.
Chris Ahlstrom
> On Mar 2, 8:52?am, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> e.
>>
>> Uh, on the Windows machine, right-click and select Sharing....
>
> Thats the easy part, unfortunately it doesn't work the same in ubuntu
> for a ntfs drive.
I misunderstood what you were wanting.
Usually, I just edit smb.conf; I'm sure there are graphical configurators.
I think there is a web interface for Samba.
> thanks for the the remote info, will check it out.
Let me know how it works. I have a DirecTV control I would like to program
to also drive a Vizio and a cheapo RCA amp/media device, but may have to opt
for a Harmony.
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-- Hunter S. Thompson
M0she_
You might want to read this one:
HOWTO: Setup Samba peer-to-peer with Windows
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605&highlight=samba+faq&page=89
Be warned, it goes on for about 800 posts.
Linux is just *so easy* to use....
JeffM
>dual-booting *is* a pain. If you must run the Malware Magnet OS,
>run it in a virtual machine under Linux.
>
your chances of getting infected essentially drop to zero.
ONLY use Windoze for those apps that DON'T have Linux equivalents.
JediSpork
>
> Let me know how it works. I have a DirecTV control I would like to program
> to also drive a Vizio and a cheapo RCA amp/media device, but may have to opt
> for a Harmony.
I have a 670 which is a popular remote because its the cheapest. They
all function about the same. I can click watch tv and it will turn my
receiver on along with the tv and tune everything to the correct input
and have the volume controls routed for the receiver. It even works
for my networked media tank. You can control a ps3 with a adaptor.
I would highly suggest one even if you have to temporarily use
windows. You create a account and your remotes settings are all saved
online.
With my particular remote the buttons are very small and for anything
other than the volume I normally hit the glow button to see what I'm
doing. Sometimes my gf will still use the standard dvr remote because
of the button layout. Without the harmony most people seem to need
help turning on my tv setup.
In a response to the other posts do you think windows is still that
bad even with a solid 3rd party anti virus/malware scanner? I've been
using avira (free with nag screen thats easily disabled) for a long
time and rarely get any type of warnings because I don't try to click
on every shady link on the screen. I know people who seem to make it
a mission to seek out any type of malware. They click whatever they
feel like and simply don't care because after all its just a
computer. At first it was fun to help them but I've become tired of
helping these people out when they won't listen to anything I say.
Avira seems to keep even these types of users going. When I visit
their house I hear constant beeps from the virus scanner if someone is
on the computer.
I think in actuality most of you guys that stay away from windows
because of the security issues are the ones that wouldn't have a
problem with windows. Its the people like I talked about above that
really need linux. However if I were to install ubuntu on their
machine then I would get constant calls asking why itunes won't work
etc and any suggestions from me about using something like amazon mp3
would be completely ignored.
JeffM
>do you think windows is still that bad
>even with a solid 3rd party anti virus/malware scanner?
>
All anti-xxxxx is reacting AFTER the fact. It's a losing game.
They can't possibly keep up with the black hats.
How many layers of band-aids applied to the OUTSIDE of the OS
do you think are adequate?
Big hint: **Only** Micros~1 does it that way.
Wouldn't it be smarter
to have the security BUILT INTO the OS?
>you guys that stay away from windows
>because of the security issues
>are the ones that wouldn't have a problem with windows.
>
...and those same folks don't need always-in-last-place software.
Rex Ballard
> On Mar 2, 5:41 am, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
Looks like there is some confusion.
> > You don't need to use Samba on an NTFS folder.
Jedi has an NTFS drive he wants to mount. Once he gets it properly
mounted, he can share the data using SAMBA to feed SMB/CIFS clients.
> > You use Samba on SMB/CIFS shares.
This does bring to mind another simple solution. The LinkSys NSLU2
San device. You plug your NTFS drive into this device and then plug
the SAN controller into an ethernet port. You can plug it into your
WiFi router if you want to have wireless access.
> Is there a easy way to auto share a folder on a ntfs drive? As I said
> before I have files that I would like shared no matter what o/s I use.
The simplest ways to create shared space is to use a FAT32 partition,
most memory sticks are also FAT32. The same is true if your PC has SD
or SDHC slots.
> I may look into using one one of these virtual box configurations. I
> still have programs that don't work well with wine, for example my
> harmony remote software.
As long as you only run one at a time, it is possible to have the
virtual machine mount and even boot from the physical partition.
There are lots of caveats.
Check documentation from VMWare, Virtual Box, and Parallels for more
info.
RonB
I set up a former XP computer (that had gotten infested) for my brother as
a dual-booting VectorLinux/XP machine. His kids are only allowed to get on
the Internet via the Linux side. The XP side is for games only.
No problems.
Chris Ahlstrom
> On Mar 2, 11:23?am, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
>> Let me know how it works. ?I have a DirecTV control I would like to program
>> to also drive a Vizio and a cheapo RCA amp/media device, but may have to opt
>> for a Harmony.
>
> I have a 670 which is a popular remote because its the cheapest. They
> all function about the same. I can click watch tv and it will turn my
> receiver on along with the tv and tune everything to the correct input
> and have the volume controls routed for the receiver. It even works
> for my networked media tank. You can control a ps3 with a adaptor.
> I would highly suggest one even if you have to temporarily use
> windows. You create a account and your remotes settings are all saved
> online.
Does it handle a DirecTV box, or should I concentrate on programming the
DirecTV remote instead?
> In a response to the other posts do you think windows is still that
> bad even with a solid 3rd party anti virus/malware scanner?
Don't know, since I use Windows for only very restricted purposes now.
I do know that the AV scan and Windows Updates can have an impact on the
performance of a virtual machine.
> I think in actuality most of you guys that stay away from windows
> because of the security issues are the ones that wouldn't have a
> problem with windows. Its the people like I talked about above that
> really need linux. However if I were to install ubuntu on their
> machine then I would get constant calls asking why itunes won't work
> etc and any suggestions from me about using something like amazon mp3
> would be completely ignored.
Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.
Personally, I find Windows boring and confining, tedious to enhance.
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get used to it.
JediSpork
>
> Does it handle a DirecTV box, or should I concentrate on programming the
> DirecTV remote instead?
I'm about 99% sure that it can. As long as the device has IR
capability the harmony should be able to control it. The harmony
codes are constantly updated for new devices. If for some reason you
encounter a device that doesn't work it has a learning feature to
capture the signal from the other remote which is also stored in your
online remote profile. Sometimes you have to tinker with a button
layout to assign the keys how you want them.
If your directv remote has a way to to learn the volume controls for
whatever type of amp your using and allows you to control that device
in dvr mode then you may not need a harmony remote. Dvr remotes can
very a lot but they all have a big button on them that says tivo, dvr
or something. Unfortunately my harmony does not have this so I have to
find another button to map it to. You can also scroll through the
small display and go through all functions of the device. The more
expensive ones have better layouts, larger displays, or a touch
screen.
A place to go for everything you ever wanted to know about remotes
M0she_
> However if I were to install ubuntu on their
> machine then I would get constant calls asking why itunes won't work
> etc and any suggestions from me about using something like amazon mp3
> would be completely ignored.
That is exactly what happens.
No sooner will you walk out the door, your cell phone will start
ringing with questions about how to get iTunes or Quicken or their
favorite photo application that came with the digital camera etc
to work.
The user will in general not be satisfied with the Linux
equivalents and in short time, usually a few days, you will be
back there removing Linux and re-installing Windows.
Over the years I have seen it happen, many, many times.
JediSpork
I still could be back in a few days to reinstall windows with windows
because they blew up their computer with spyware, etc. As I mentioned
earlier avira has worked very well for me but I'm sure there are still
remnants from the stuff left over or permanently altered system files.
I may look into using some kind of imaging tool that way I can save a
little bit of work from reinstalling every program.
I can certainly understand people getting frustrated or down right
pissed with linux because I know I have and I'm just starting. Now
that I can do mostly what I need I don't see myself using windows that
often. I don't know anything about macs but I would certainly suggest
that over a windows pc to anyone that just expects a computer to
work. I've come across several people that now rely on their phones
for net access. Most of them have a computer at home that has been
ruined by malware and given up on it and paying for broadband.
Chris Ahlstrom
Sounds like you didn't convey to them what they would and would not get with
Linux up front, then.
In other words, you set them up for failure, just like you have accused
others of doing.
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M0she_
> M0she_ pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:24:02 -0800 (PST), JediSpork wrote:
>>
>>> However if I were to install ubuntu on their
>>> machine then I would get constant calls asking why itunes won't work
>>> etc and any suggestions from me about using something like amazon mp3
>>> would be completely ignored.
>>
>> That is exactly what happens.
>> No sooner will you walk out the door, your cell phone will start
>> ringing with questions about how to get iTunes or Quicken or their
>> favorite photo application that came with the digital camera etc
>> to work.
>>
>> The user will in general not be satisfied with the Linux
>> equivalents and in short time, usually a few days, you will be
>> back there removing Linux and re-installing Windows.
>>
>> Over the years I have seen it happen, many, many times.
>
> Sounds like you didn't convey to them what they would and would not get with
> Linux up front, then.
Not true.
They did the research as well.
> In other words, you set them up for failure, just like you have accused
> others of doing.
Nope.
I set them up with Linux, explained to them some equivilant
applications (ie:Amarok vs iTunes etc) and set them on their way.
The Linux applications just don't do it for someone who has been
using Windows applications.
The person has to have a specific need or reason to switch to
Linux and that is what makes them settle for the Linux
applications.
For example maybe an older machine that they want to resurrect or
a home server.
Hadron
Amarok wont run well on an older machine.
It almost redefines bloatware.
M0she_
Neither will iTunes.
I just used that as an example of an iTunes equivalent.
I was using the older machine etc as an example of why someone
might want to use Linux.
Sinister Midget III
> M0she_ pulled this Usenet boner:
>> The user will in general not be satisfied with the Linux
>> equivalents and in short time, usually a few days, you will be
>> back there removing Linux and re-installing Windows.
>>
>> Over the years I have seen it happen, many, many times.
>
> Sounds like you didn't convey to them what they would and would not get with
> Linux up front, then.
Don't forget that Flathead is a liar, and a software thief (in addition
to being a racist and homophobe). The very first thing mentioned there
disqualifies every syllable Flatso writes or utters.
Flatfart lies and lies and lies, and then makes up new nyms to talk to
s/h/itself as a supporting cast to appear that there are like-"minded"
liars in this group (excluding Quirk, DuFuS, anal_curious and
s[hi|no]t, who I believe are actual separate buffoons) who experience
the same things the delusional Mushy Flathead claims to have known.
Over the years I have seen it happen many, many times.
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M0she_
> On 2010-03-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> claimed:
>> M0she_ pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>>> The user will in general not be satisfied with the Linux
>>> equivalents and in short time, usually a few days, you will be
>>> back there removing Linux and re-installing Windows.
>>>
>>> Over the years I have seen it happen, many, many times.
>>
>> Sounds like you didn't convey to them what they would and would not get with
>> Linux up front, then.
>
> Don't forget that Flathead is a liar, and a software thief (in addition
> to being a racist and homophobe). The very first thing mentioned there
> disqualifies every syllable Flatso writes or utters.
>
> Flatfart lies and lies and lies, and then makes up new nyms to talk to
> s/h/itself as a supporting cast to appear that there are like-"minded"
> liars in this group (excluding Quirk, DuFuS, anal_curious and
> s[hi|no]t, who I believe are actual separate buffoons) who experience
> the same things the delusional Mushy Flathead claims to have known.
>
> Over the years I have seen it happen many, many times.
Yea, but you have never, ever, ever, been able to prove a word of
it.
Go ahead and try.
You will lose, or as I suspect you will run and hide.
High Plains Thumper
> Flatfart lies and lies and lies, and then makes up new nyms to talk
> to s/h/itself as a supporting cast to appear that there are like-
> "minded" liars in this group (excluding Quirk, DuFuS, anal_curious
> and s[hi|no]t, who I believe are actual separate buffoons) who
> experience the same things the delusional Mushy Flathead claims to
> have known.
>
> Over the years I have seen it happen many, many times.
I put very little credence into what any of them say, flatfish, DFS,
Hadron, Snit, Ezekiel, RayLopez99, Tim Smith, Erik Funkenbusch, Duane
Arnold, amicus_curious and ad nauseum.
As stated in a Dilbert Cartoon, "Never argue with an idiot. They drag
you down to their level and then beat you with experience!"
--
HPT
Moshe
Nobody is arguing with you HPT.
We just sit back and watch you make an ass of yourself.
And you do it so well.
You really do.
Rick
.. and I am sure people actually take you seriously. (/sarcasm>
--
Rick
RayLopez99
>
> I put very little credence into what any of them say, flatfish, DFS,
> Hadron, Snit, Ezekiel, RayLopez99, Tim Smith, Erik Funkenbusch, Duane
> Arnold, amicus_curious and ad nauseum.
>
You just about included everybody who is anybody in this world, and
who knows anything about Linux and computers in general. If we leave
it to you, we'll only be reading Roy's spam.
High Plains Dumper.
RL
High Plains Thumper
> Moshe wrote:
>
>> Nobody is arguing with you HPT. We just sit back and watch you make
>> an ass of yourself. And you do it so well. You really do.
>
> .. and I am sure people actually take you seriously. (/sarcasm>
That is an understatement. For example:
Erin Mungan (flatfish): "For the record, I would love to see Linux break
into this area but it is not there and is not even close and all signs
unfortunately lead to a dead end."
Scott Dorsey: "Oh, God, not this idiot again. Please, take this
somewhere else.
Erin Mungan (flatfish): "Comments, discussion... ?"
Scott Dorsey: "Please, no. Not here in rec.audio.pro." 19 Dec 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/4691155f2394d263
Moshe
And your proof is?
(Watch HPT run and hide as usual)
Not flatfish BTW, but probably you HPT, stirring the pot as usual.
The give away is that you quickly reveal the fact that you know
nothing about audio or music for that matter.
You're still a riot to watch though HPT, so keep up the good work!
Snit
3/10/10 3:39 AM:
Do you deny HPT repeatedly puts himself in a very, very bad light... making
absurd claims, referencing Carroll's obsessively gathered and forged quotes
(and adding to them), pandering to the lowest of the low of Usenet, etc.?
Of course HPT does. Does not matter what Moshe says or not on the topic...
HPT simply makes a complete fool of himself on a regular basis. He cannot
help it.
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Snit
d08f38bc-7689-4a6f...@q15g2000yqj.googlegroups.com on 3/10/10
6:46 AM:
HPT hates people who clearly know more than he does.
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High Plains Thumper
> Do you deny HPT repeatedly puts himself in a very, very bad light...
> making absurd claims, referencing Carroll's obsessively gathered and
> forged quotes (and adding to them), pandering to the lowest of the
> low of Usenet, etc.?
>
> Of course HPT does. Does not matter what Moshe says or not on the
> topic... HPT simply makes a complete fool of himself on a regular
> basis. He cannot help it.
Another furtherance of Snit's lies.
Snit's trolling has earned him the 137 Usenet Posting Quoters on the
Snit Circus of Pathological Lies, posted here. These 137 individuals
include Mac and COLA trolls, with their similar opinions of Snit
quoted:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c5f944cc7dc83654
And an earned page in the http://colatrolls.blogspot.com
[quote]
Name: snit
Traits:
* MAC troll
* Cross posts to maximize newsgroup disruption
* Despised by many on COLA and COMA (comp.os.mac.advocacy)
* Proves the saying 'those that can do, those that can't teach'
* Idiot [...]
Apparently, Snit is not well liked for his trolling, as expressed in
this reply:
Subject: Re: Oh no, Snit! A TWO page paper!
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:26:59 -0600
Message-ID: trollkiller-1A99...@newsgroups.comcast.net
[QUOTE]
Tell Snit... he's the disingenuous, nymshifting, ID forging, sock
puppet using ass who has been trolling usenet for *years*. Here's what
some people have to say about him... to give you a little perspective
as to who is causing this crap [...]
[/QUOTE]
[/quote]
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/snit-troll.html
So, who is the fool? It doesn't take an advanced degree to figure
out.
--
HPT
Yewbuntu Rokz
> Snit wrote:
>
>> Do you deny HPT repeatedly puts himself in a very, very bad light...
>> making absurd claims, referencing Carroll's obsessively gathered and
>> forged quotes (and adding to them), pandering to the lowest of the
>> low of Usenet, etc.?
>>
>> Of course HPT does. Does not matter what Moshe says or not on the
>> topic... HPT simply makes a complete fool of himself on a regular
>> basis. He cannot help it.
>
> Another furtherance of Snit's lies.
>
> Snit's trolling has earned him the 137 Usenet Posting Quoters on the
> Snit Circus of Pathological Lies, posted here. These 137 individuals
> include Mac and COLA trolls, with their similar opinions of Snit
> quoted:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c5f944cc7dc83654
>
> And an earned page in the http://colatrolls.blogspot.com
>
Yowza dude. Thats really funny for me too I think. You keep fighting
these BillyBox dummies. Me I like my choices and CLI rockzaz. Which
distro do you make your workings with? It is for choice for us and not
for the windummies.
Snit
0542b293-efd8-4ba1...@q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com on 3/11/10
5:13 AM:
> Snit wrote:
>
>> Do you deny HPT repeatedly puts himself in a very, very bad light...
>> making absurd claims, referencing Carroll's obsessively gathered and
>> forged quotes (and adding to them), pandering to the lowest of the
>> low of Usenet, etc.?
>>
>> Of course HPT does. Does not matter what Moshe says or not on the
>> topic... HPT simply makes a complete fool of himself on a regular
>> basis. He cannot help it.
>
> Another furtherance of Snit's lies.
So you say, as you prove me right, below:
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