What Real Users Think of Linux.....
Moshe Goldfarb
"All the open source products sound great, but then when you go
to use them, they're not so great. Compare the Open Office
versus Microsoft Office. The basic functions are there, but the
advanced functions are not. There's no pivot tables in the
spreadsheets. Linux was going to save the world against the
abuses of Microsoft. I installed Ubuntu on my spare computer and
I can't even get the wheel on the mouse to work. Netbooks that
were released with Linux operating systems didn't sell. People
wanted Windows.
Problem is there is an infinite number of combinations of
hardware and software and to develop and support a product that
works on most of them requires a dedicated staff and costs a lot
of money. Having people working on it in their spare time isn't
going to cut it. "
Don Zeigler
What does your family think of Linux? You've claimed before that the family
PC runs on it...
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...Nobody ever forgets where he buried the hatchet.
Terry Porter
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> "All the open source products sound great, but then when you go to use
>> them, they're not so great. Compare the Open Office versus Microsoft
>> Office. The basic functions are there, but the advanced functions are
>> not. There's no pivot tables in the spreadsheets. Linux was going to
>> save the world against the abuses of Microsoft. I installed Ubuntu on
>> my spare computer and I can't even get the wheel on the mouse to work.
>> Netbooks that were released with Linux operating systems didn't sell.
>> People wanted Windows.
>>
>> Problem is there is an infinite number of combinations of hardware and
>> software and to develop and support a product that works on most of
>> them requires a dedicated staff and costs a lot of money. Having people
>> working on it in their spare time isn't going to cut it. "
>
> What does your family think of Linux? You've claimed before that the
> family PC runs on it...
Flatfish the anti Linux troll is clueless as always:-
begin{quote}
Pivot tables are now considered an integral part of a spreadsheet
application. In addition to Microsoft Excel, competing software such as
OpenOffice.org Calc provide similar functionality; the OpenOffice.org
implementation is called DataPilot. Other companies such as numberGo and
Quantrix provide similar implementations.
Pivot functionality is also provided in other data visualization tools,
including business intelligence packages.
end{quote}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pivot_table
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"For discussion of the benefits of GNU/Linux compared to other
operating systems."
Hadron
> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:58:25 -0400, Don Zeigler wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>>> "All the open source products sound great, but then when you go to use
>>> them, they're not so great. Compare the Open Office versus Microsoft
>>> Office. The basic functions are there, but the advanced functions are
>>> not. There's no pivot tables in the spreadsheets. Linux was going to
>>> save the world against the abuses of Microsoft. I installed Ubuntu on
>>> my spare computer and I can't even get the wheel on the mouse to work.
>>> Netbooks that were released with Linux operating systems didn't sell.
>>> People wanted Windows.
>>>
>>> Problem is there is an infinite number of combinations of hardware and
>>> software and to develop and support a product that works on most of
>>> them requires a dedicated staff and costs a lot of money. Having people
>>> working on it in their spare time isn't going to cut it. "
>>
>> What does your family think of Linux? You've claimed before that the
>> family PC runs on it...
>
> Flatfish the anti Linux troll is clueless as always:-
Another post. Another screw up from Terry Porter
Moshe was quoting from here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=1830013&mpage=2
And this was in 2003. You know when people were looking around an
standardising on what they would use. Data pilot was in its infancy
then.
>
> begin{quote}
>
> Pivot tables are now considered an integral part of a spreadsheet
> application. In addition to Microsoft Excel, competing software such as
> OpenOffice.org Calc provide similar functionality; the OpenOffice.org
"similar"
> implementation is called DataPilot. Other companies such as numberGo and
> Quantrix provide similar implementations.
Who cares? Most people have never heard of them.
>
> Pivot functionality is also provided in other data visualization tools,
> including business intelligence packages.
> end{quote}
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pivot_table
We all know how to google Terry. I suggest you learn to read before
doing do though.
Attila
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
> What does your family think of Linux? You've claimed before that the
> family PC runs on it...
>
Consistency is not a Mushy-poo forte nor is it with those of his ilk. For
example, once I described the only experience I ever had with Vista which
was at a hotel in Paris I was staying at for a couple of days. I couldn't
turn the friggin thing off because it kept insisting I do some upgrade first
and I was in a hurry. I just yanked the plug out of the wall and handed the
steaming heap back to the person at the reception desk. Sadly for me, I
"lost all credibility" when I recounted this tale of woe because of my
inability to deal with Vista. Now Mushy presents us with this ...uh...
techie would can't even insert a single line like
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
or the like in his xorg.conf file. Since it's Ubuntu, there's probably some
complicated (for me only) gooey thing that does it for him.
In any event googling ubuntu mousewheel turns up over 11,000 hits. It seems
like this guy couldn't find his own schlong with GPS but does have heaps of
steaming credibility with our trollish friends. ;)
Attila, The Freetard from Hell
Hadron
> Don Zeigler wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>>
>> What does your family think of Linux? You've claimed before that the
>> family PC runs on it...
>>
> Consistency is not a Mushy-poo forte nor is it with those of his ilk. For
> example, once I described the only experience I ever had with Vista which
> was at a hotel in Paris I was staying at for a couple of days. I couldn't
> turn the friggin thing off because it kept insisting I do some upgrade first
> and I was in a hurry. I just yanked the plug out of the wall and handed the
> steaming heap back to the person at the reception desk. Sadly for me, I
> "lost all credibility" when I recounted this tale of woe because of my
> inability to deal with Vista. Now Mushy presents us with this ...uh...
> techie would can't even insert a single line like
> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> or the like in his xorg.conf file. Since it's Ubuntu, there's probably
> some
You compare the two? Editing xorf as root with an obscure piece of magic
like that? You remind me of when Marti was showing off about his fstab
line to get his quickcam working. I asked him what he thought the line
did : he had zero clue.
> complicated (for me only) gooey thing that does it for him.
> In any event googling ubuntu mousewheel turns up over 11,000 hits. It seems
> like this guy couldn't find his own schlong with GPS but does have heaps of
> steaming credibility with our trollish friends. ;)
> Attila, The Freetard from Hell
So instead of whining, why dont you FIX it? But no. COLA is for do
nothings. There is clearly an issue. And crowing about editing xorg as
root is ridiculous.
For a start xorg file is sometimes not even used anymore with newer
drivers from what I read ..... No idea if its true or not.
Attila
> Attila <jdka...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Consistency is not a Mushy-poo forte nor is it with those of his ilk. For
>> example, once I described the only experience I ever had with Vista which
>> was at a hotel in Paris I was staying at for a couple of days. I
>> couldn't turn the friggin thing off because it kept insisting I do some
>> upgrade first and I was in a hurry. I just yanked the plug out of the
>> wall and handed the steaming heap back to the person at the reception
>> desk. Sadly for me, I "lost all credibility" when I recounted this tale
>> of woe because of my inability to deal with Vista. Now Mushy presents us
>> with this ...uh... techie would can't even insert a single line like
>> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
>> or the like in his xorg.conf file. Since it's Ubuntu, there's probably
>> some
>
> You compare the two? Editing xorf as root with an obscure piece of magic
> like that?
Using value-loaded expressions like "obscure piece of magic" does not
constitute a rational argument.
> You remind me of when Marti was showing off about his fstab
> line to get his quickcam working.
I'm quite happy to remind you of Marti. ;) I fail to detect any nuance of
showing off. If you were capable of following a structured argument you
would have detected that my point was that the solution was trivial and
easily obtainable. You can argue with that but my "showing off" would be at
odds with the basic tenet of my posting, to wit: IT IS EASY. Only a warped
mind could consider that showing off.
> I asked him what he thought the line
> did : he had zero clue.
And you did I guess. Well aren't you the clever boy. Are you asking me what
the line: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" does? duh, let me see. It enables my
mouse scroll wheel? When it's in my xorg.conf file my scrollwheel is
enabled; when I remove it, it's not. Or is that "showing off" again.
>> complicated (for me only) gooey thing that does it for him.
>> In any event googling ubuntu mousewheel turns up over 11,000 hits. It
>> seems like this guy couldn't find his own schlong with GPS but does have
>> heaps of steaming credibility with our trollish friends. ;)
>> Attila, The Freetard from Hell
>
> So instead of whining, why dont you FIX it?
You've lost me there. When was I whining? Or is this another strange
Hadronian perception of the world. Whining about what? Fixing what?
> But no. COLA is for do
> nothings.
I wasn't aware I did nothing. Maybe if you defined what it means to "do
something" one could assign a truth value your claim. Or is it faith-based
and no evidence exists that could falsify it?
> There is clearly an issue. And crowing about editing xorg as
> root is ridiculous.
Again with the spouting nonsense ploy. Either you are thick or merely trying
to be irritating. The latter, I admit, is something you have considerable
skill in.
>
> For a start xorg file is sometimes not even used anymore with newer
> drivers from what I read ..... No idea if its true or not.
It is true ... for some systems. It will be used if it is present. I can't
say any more about the question since Daveny5 doesn't reveal much about his
setup.
Attila
>
> Another post. Another screw up from Terry Porter
>
> Moshe was quoting from here:
>
> http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=1830013&mpage=2
>
> And this was in 2003. You know when people were looking around an
> standardising on what they would use. Data pilot was in its infancy
> then.
WTF! If you're talking about DaveNY5's post then you've lost me. Joined:
11/6/2003 That's when he joined. According to the forum it was posted 5
hours ago. On the same thread someone who posted 7 hours ago (i.e. 2 BEFORE
Dave's posting) called glen55 joined 3/12/2009! I guess you're claiming time
travel. But then that's no more improbably than most of your claims. ;)
Gordon
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> "All the open source products sound great, but then when you go
>> to use them, they're not so great. Compare the Open Office
>> versus Microsoft Office. The basic functions are there, but the
>> advanced functions are not. There's no pivot tables in the
>> spreadsheets.
Sorry to piggyback on this - I killfiled the idiot Moshe moons ago but I
just HAD to respond to this -
Of COURSE OpenOffice has got Pivot tables!!!! They just call them by
another name! They are called DataPilot and can import Excel Pivot table
functions.
Even more proof that Moshe doesn't have a CLUE and is a complete ignoramus.
Now Moshe - refute THAT IF YOU CAN......
Peter Köhlmann
< snip idiotic dimwittery >
> For a start xorg file is sometimes not even used anymore with newer
> drivers from what I read ..... No idea if its true or not.
You naturally have no idea.
Hint: It is used. Lots of it are by default, so most entries can be
missing and it still runs OK.
Other entries are needed. Entries can override default assumptions
And you know nothing about it. As usual, "true linux advocate", "kernel
hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru",
"USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
"hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage", "tripwire wizard",
"Pulseaudio rockstar", "XORG sorcerer" and "OSS culling committee
chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian
O'Leary, aka Steve Townsend, aka Ubuntu King
--
Experience is what causes a person to make new mistakes instead of
old ones.
RonB
You're expecting *substance* from flatline---? (Rhetorical question.)
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
Phil Da Lick!
> COLA is for do nothings..
There goes another irony meter.
TomB
> So instead of whining, why dont you FIX it? But no. COLA is for do
> nothings. There is clearly an issue. And crowing about editing xorg as
> root is ridiculous.
So now we can't even use root anymore to edit the xorg.conf file? Nice
going...
Anyway, I don't have an xorg.conf file anymore on my Debian box. I'm
still not sure whether I like this or not. I used to have a central
point to configure X, with a pretty userfriendly syntax. Now
configuration is scattered all over the place in obscure looking
xml-style config files.
--
You have a strong appeal for members of your own sex.
Phil Da Lick!
> On 2009-09-25, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> So instead of whining, why dont you FIX it? But no. COLA is for do
>> nothings. There is clearly an issue. And crowing about editing xorg as
>> root is ridiculous.
>
> So now we can't even use root anymore to edit the xorg.conf file? Nice
> going...
Whereas escalating as administrator in winders to install/configure
applications is fine and dandy.
Gregory Shearman
> On 2009-09-25, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> So instead of whining, why dont you FIX it? But no. COLA is for do
>> nothings. There is clearly an issue. And crowing about editing xorg as
>> root is ridiculous.
>
> So now we can't even use root anymore to edit the xorg.conf file? Nice
> going...
Hmmm... all I do is save a backup and fiddle with my xorg.conf. It's
easy to experiment as long as you keep backups.
> Anyway, I don't have an xorg.conf file anymore on my Debian box. I'm
> still not sure whether I like this or not. I used to have a central
> point to configure X, with a pretty userfriendly syntax. Now
> configuration is scattered all over the place in obscure looking
> xml-style config files.
Not really. Most of it is in /etc/hal/fdi/policy
I still use an xorg.conf.
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Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Richard Rasker
So according to you, this guy is representative of "real users"? Well, I see
we still have LOT of advocacy and education to do ... He's wrong about
almost everything, except maybe his mouse problem -- either his mouse is
broken, or he has a "special" mouse, requiring special drivers, available
for Windows only, of course.
He's particularly wrong about the "infinite number of combinations of
hardware and software": first, Linux has by far the broadest and best
native hardware support of any OS out there, and most major OSS projects
contain orders of magnitude less bugs than their proprietary counterparts;
second, that "infinite number of combinations of hardware and software"
doesn't require dedicated, highly paid staff to ensure proper working
stuff -- what it requires, is well-defined and documented open standards,
and general adherence to these standards. But the proprietary world in
general and Microsoft in particular are always ready to screw standards if
that benefits their own base line. Divide and conquer, it's called.
This man's mouse (if not actually broken) is a shining example: its wheel
function obviously doesn't follow established standards. Ergo: problem
under current Linux versions, and no doubt in near-future Windows versions
too, when the manufacturer decides it's too costly to create new drivers
for a relatively cheap product they don't even sell any more.
The "real users" are the well over 100 people I installed Linux for, and
some 95% of whom are quite happy with it. Sure, there are things to grumble
about on occasion -- Linux isn't perfect. But on average, they encounter
way less problems than Windows users.
Richard Rasker
--
http://www.linetec.nl
Attila
That's not in Mushy's M.O. The Mush doesn't refute stuff. He gets all silent
when another one of his ... inconsistencies is exposed. Beyond saying "linux
idiots this" and "freetards cola nutters that" is creative juices just seem
to dry up, poor lad. As you correctly pointed out, there is an equivalent to
PivotTable which is DataPilot easily accessible via Openoffice Help.
The following is from Openoffice Help.
Comparing Microsoft Office and OpenOffice.org Terms
The following table lists Microsoft Office features and their OpenOffice.org
equivalents.
Microsoft Office XP OpenOffice.org
AutoShapes Gallery Objects
Shapes are on the Drawing toolbar (menu View - Toolbars - Drawing)
Change Case Case/Characters
Click and Type Direct Cursor
Comments Notes
Compare and Merge Documents Compare
Document Map Navigator
Formula Auditing Detective
Lines and Page Breaks Text Flow
Page setup Format - Page
Mail Merge Form Letter
Markup Changes - Show
PivotTable DataPilot
.......................................
Need we say more? ;)
TomB
> On 2009-09-25, TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-09-25, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>> So instead of whining, why dont you FIX it? But no. COLA is for do
>>> nothings. There is clearly an issue. And crowing about editing xorg as
>>> root is ridiculous.
>>
>> So now we can't even use root anymore to edit the xorg.conf file? Nice
>> going...
>
> Hmmm... all I do is save a backup and fiddle with my xorg.conf. It's
> easy to experiment as long as you keep backups.
My /etc/ directory is bupped daily, and before I do any editing of any
file I copy it first too.
>> Anyway, I don't have an xorg.conf file anymore on my Debian box. I'm
>> still not sure whether I like this or not. I used to have a central
>> point to configure X, with a pretty userfriendly syntax. Now
>> configuration is scattered all over the place in obscure looking
>> xml-style config files.
>
> Not really. Most of it is in /etc/hal/fdi/policy
Yes, most indeed.
> I still use an xorg.conf.
I may have to create a minimal one too to get my beloved
[ctrl][alt][bsp] back. They really should've left that one in by
default...
--
A is for Apple.
-- Hester Pryne
TomB
> Hadron wrote:
>
>
>< snip idiotic dimwittery >
>
>> For a start xorg file is sometimes not even used anymore with newer
>> drivers from what I read ..... No idea if its true or not.
>
> You naturally have no idea.
> Hint: It is used. Lots of it are by default, so most entries can be
> missing and it still runs OK.
> Other entries are needed. Entries can override default assumptions
Mostly true. You can do just fine without anything at all in xorg.conf
though in most cases.
--
Don't let your mind wander -- it's too little to be let out alone.
Peter Köhlmann
> On 2009-09-25, the following emerged from the brain of Peter Köhlmann:
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>
>>< snip idiotic dimwittery >
>>
>>> For a start xorg file is sometimes not even used anymore with newer
>>> drivers from what I read ..... No idea if its true or not.
>>
>> You naturally have no idea.
>> Hint: It is used. Lots of it are by default, so most entries can be
>> missing and it still runs OK.
>> Other entries are needed. Entries can override default assumptions
>
> Mostly true. You can do just fine without anything at all in xorg.conf
> though in most cases.
>
Yes, if you have a "standard" config.
If you use something outside that (multi monitor, additional font paths
etc etc) you still need xorg.conf. Or if you want to override a default
setting for whatever reason
But for most stuff it is detected by default
Still, Hadron Snot Quark obviously knows absolutely nothing about the
topic, which naturally makes him the most qualified person to criticize
those who do (and spread a little more of his FUD)
--
Only two things are infinite,
the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
Marti van Lin
>> You remind me of when Marti was showing off about his fstab
>> line to get his quickcam working.
It wasn't a Logitech QuickCam, I told you that already. They work out of
the box in Ubuntu, told you that as well.
It was a "Bestoffice" Webcam, a real el cheapo (cost only € 10,--)
>> I asked him what he thought the line
>> did : he had zero clue.
Excuse me Hadron but you are baldfaced lying here.
I explained you all the options in that fstab very well. You where the
one that didn't get it.
You asked what the mount point was and I responded "no where I guess,
it's a hack".
I remember very well that Peter Köhlmann confirmed that "I explained it
very well for someone who's guessing".
FOAD Bitch!
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> For a start xorg file is sometimes not even used anymore with newer
> drivers from what I read ..... No idea if its true or not.
Interesting. Did not "Hadron" once claim that he used Debian "testing"?
And doesn't "Hadron" claim to use dual monitors?
And didn't "Hadron" claim to not be "arsed" to do pinning?
If true, then "Hadron" should have received the update to xorg 7.4 by now,
had his dual-monitor configuration broken, and discovered that xorg.conf
is not needed (for a single monitor).
Interesting.
--
You will outgrow your usefulness.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
>
> < snip idiotic dimwittery >
>
>> For a start xorg file is sometimes not even used anymore with newer
>> drivers from what I read ..... No idea if its true or not.
>
> You naturally have no idea.
> Hint: It is used. Lots of it are by default, so most entries can be
> missing and it still runs OK.
The whole thing can be missing in some cases.
Fedora 11 doesn't install an xorg.conf, either.
> Other entries are needed. Entries can override default assumptions
>
> And you know nothing about it. As usual, "true linux advocate", "kernel
> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru",
> "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
> "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage", "tripwire wizard",
> "Pulseaudio rockstar", "XORG sorcerer" and "OSS culling committee
> chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian
> O'Leary, aka Steve Townsend, aka Ubuntu King
I prefer the single term, "asshole".
--
Excellent day to have a rotten day.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2009-09-25, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> So instead of whining, why dont you FIX it? But no. COLA is for do
>> nothings. There is clearly an issue. And crowing about editing xorg as
>> root is ridiculous.
Cock a doodle doooooo!
> So now we can't even use root anymore to edit the xorg.conf file? Nice
> going...
>
> Anyway, I don't have an xorg.conf file anymore on my Debian box. I'm
> still not sure whether I like this or not. I used to have a central
> point to configure X, with a pretty userfriendly syntax. Now
> configuration is scattered all over the place in obscure looking
> xml-style config files.
Fedora is eaten up with that kind of stuff. It runs Gnome by default, and
figuring out how to get some of the same features (e.g power meter,
Ctrl/Caps swap) in fluxbox takes some digging.
Time to learn more about xmodmap, xrandr, etc.
--
Q: Why do the police always travel in threes?
A: One to do the reading, one to do the writing, and the other keeps
an eye on the two intellectuals.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
>> I still use an xorg.conf.
>
> I may have to create a minimal one too to get my beloved
> [ctrl][alt][bsp] back. They really should've left that one in by
> default...
ServerFlags
Option "DontZap" "yes"
is apparently one way. In Ubuntu, you can install a package called
"dontzap".
Haven't tried it.
--
Chicken Little was right.
William Poaster
trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard to say:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Hadron belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> For a start xorg file is sometimes not even used anymore with newer
>> drivers from what I read ..... No idea if its true or not.
>
> Interesting. Did not "Hadron" once claim that he used Debian "testing"?
The troll did, yes.
> And doesn't "Hadron" claim to use dual monitors?
So I believe, from some replies I've seen to the troll.
> And didn't "Hadron" claim to not be "arsed" to do pinning?
The troll couldn't be "arsed" to do a few things, so that as well?
> If true, then "Hadron" should have received the update to xorg 7.4 by now,
> had his dual-monitor configuration broken, and discovered that xorg.conf
> is not needed (for a single monitor).
>
> Interesting.
Is it any wonder that many people (& not just in *this* group) don't
believe the troll uses Linux.
William Poaster
trolls, TomB was heard to say:
> On 2009-09-25, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> So instead of whining, why dont you FIX it? But no. COLA is for do
>> nothings. There is clearly an issue. And crowing about editing xorg as
>> root is ridiculous.
>
> So now we can't even use root anymore to edit the xorg.conf file? Nice
> going...
Heh, yeah, well just because the troll can't do it....
> Anyway, I don't have an xorg.conf file anymore on my Debian box. I'm
> still not sure whether I like this or not. I used to have a central
> point to configure X, with a pretty userfriendly syntax. Now
> configuration is scattered all over the place in obscure looking
> xml-style config files.
Kubuntu "Jaunty" still has the 'xorg.conf' file (in the X11 folder), & so
does "Karmic".
William Poaster
trolls, Phil Da Lick! was heard to say:
> Hadron wrote:
>> COLA is for do nothings..
>
> There goes another irony meter.
You spotted it too. ;-)
Peter Köhlmann
>> Hadron Lied:
>
>>> You remind me of when Marti was showing off about his fstab
>>> line to get his quickcam working.
>
> It wasn't a Logitech QuickCam, I told you that already. They work out of
> the box in Ubuntu, told you that as well.
>
> It was a "Bestoffice" Webcam, a real el cheapo (cost only € 10,--)
>
>>> I asked him what he thought the line
>>> did : he had zero clue.
>
> Excuse me Hadron but you are baldfaced lying here.
>
> I explained you all the options in that fstab very well. You where the
> one that didn't get it.
>
> You asked what the mount point was and I responded "no where I guess,
> it's a hack".
>
> I remember very well that Peter Köhlmann confirmed that "I explained it
> very well for someone who's guessing".
Yes, you did. You explained what you did to make a device working.
Naturally Hadron Snot Quark can't have that. One more device working in
linux! No way
That Hadron did not understand what you did was to be expected
> FOAD Bitch!
>
It should be slow and painfully, though
--
Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way
before it is understood.
Hadron
>> Hadron Lied:
>
>>> You remind me of when Marti was showing off about his fstab
>>> line to get his quickcam working.
>
> It wasn't a Logitech QuickCam, I told you that already. They work out of
> the box in Ubuntu, told you that as well.
>
> It was a "Bestoffice" Webcam, a real el cheapo (cost only € 10,--)
>
>>> I asked him what he thought the line
>>> did : he had zero clue.
>
> Excuse me Hadron but you are baldfaced lying here.
>
> I explained you all the options in that fstab very well. You where the
> one that didn't get it.
No you didnt.
>
> You asked what the mount point was and I responded "no where I guess,
> it's a hack".
Want me to post a link?
>
> I remember very well that Peter Köhlmann confirmed that "I explained it
> very well for someone who's guessing".
>
> FOAD Bitch!
Oh look! Just a few posts ago Marti was decrying "wintrolls" and their
"insults".
Hadron
I thought I would repost the thread. Note how Marti lies and accuses me
of thinking I was an fstab "magician" .. I didn't. I merely pointed out
that MOST people wouldn't have a clue. As indeed Marti didn't. A great
contribution from Don as usual, and some super sphincter rimming from
Terry Porter. A classic thread of COLA idiocy in every sense:
or
Some memorable quotes that sum up the thread:
"AFAIK this "trick" is only necessary in Ubuntu"
"What if Grandma wants to use Mandriva?"
"You have explained above what it "does" not why or for what reasons. It
is as clear as daylight that you have no clue as to what that does."
For me the moment I realised you're full of it is this:
"Ain't it clear that it's forcing the group 1000 (marti) as it's group
ID? and that 664 describes what rights this group has? "
Yes. Very clear. The question was WHY are YOU having to do this.
You naturally didn't answer this (and I was trying to be civil as the
COLA guard dogs were out in force at this stage) :
,----
| Streuth. Yes, But the question is WHY and WHY wasn't it defaulted and
| HOW did you find it and WHY does it not apply to other Distros.
`----
And I asked you
,----
| I never had to mount anything in proc for USB devices. WHY did you? WHY
| did the distro not detect it (lsusb anyone?)?
|
| HOW did you find that solution.
|
| A solution is only a real solution if you understand how and why.
|
| And I think if you are honest with yourself you dont know WHY you had to
| do what you did.
`----
And got no reply .....
Peter Köhlmann
> Marti van Lin <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> Hadron Lied:
>>
>>>> You remind me of when Marti was showing off about his fstab
>>>> line to get his quickcam working.
>>
>> It wasn't a Logitech QuickCam, I told you that already. They work out
>> of the box in Ubuntu, told you that as well.
>>
>> It was a "Bestoffice" Webcam, a real el cheapo (cost only € 10,--)
>>
>>>> I asked him what he thought the line
>>>> did : he had zero clue.
>>
>> Excuse me Hadron but you are baldfaced lying here.
>>
>> I explained you all the options in that fstab very well. You where the
>> one that didn't get it.
>
> No you didnt.
Strange: *He* did the fstab entry, and now he is the one who does not get
it?
>>
>> You asked what the mount point was and I responded "no where I guess,
>> it's a hack".
>
> Want me to post a link?
By all means, please do.
>>
>> I remember very well that Peter Köhlmann confirmed that "I explained it
>> very well for someone who's guessing".
>>
>> FOAD Bitch!
>
> Oh look! Just a few posts ago Marti was decrying "wintrolls" and their
> "insults".
Well, posts from you without insults left and right are far between
--
Windows: Because everyone needs a good laugh!
Peter Köhlmann
Hilarious how that link confirms that it was not at all like what you
claimed...
Now could you also supply a link which *does* confirm your claims? Why
not?
--
Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' -
they have 'arguments' - and they ALWAYS WIN THEM.
William Poaster
trolls, Attila was heard to say:
> Hadron wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Another post. Another screw up from Terry Porter
>>
>> Moshe was quoting from here:
>>
>> http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=1830013&mpage=2
>>
>> And this was in 2003. You know when people were looking around an
>> standardising on what they would use. Data pilot was in its infancy
>> then.
> WTF! If you're talking about DaveNY5's post then you've lost me. Joined:
> 11/6/2003 That's when he joined. According to the forum it was posted 5
> hours ago. On the same thread someone who posted 7 hours ago (i.e. 2 BEFORE
> Dave's posting) called glen55 joined 3/12/2009!
Also: ivanSC - Joined: 2/13/2007, Jonbouy - Joined: 4/14/2008...
So, the idiotic Hadron troll can't even read forums properly now!
What a *numbskull*.
> I guess you're claiming time travel.
> But then that's no more improbably than most of your claims. ;)
William Poaster
trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard to say:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, TomB belched out
It seems to be installed by default in "Karmic".
Hadron
> Hadron wrote:
>
>>
>> Another post. Another screw up from Terry Porter
>>
>> Moshe was quoting from here:
>>
>> http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=1830013&mpage=2
>>
>> And this was in 2003. You know when people were looking around an
>> standardising on what they would use. Data pilot was in its infancy
>> then.
> WTF! If you're talking about DaveNY5's post then you've lost me. Joined:
> 11/6/2003 That's when he joined. According to the forum it was posted 5
> hours ago. On the same thread someone who posted 7 hours ago (i.e. 2 BEFORE
> Dave's posting) called glen55 joined 3/12/2009! I guess you're claiming time
> travel. But then that's no more improbably than most of your claims. ;)
> Attila, The Freetard from Hell
You're right about that : I saw the joined date. Easy mistake.
But the fact remains that it was not Moshe who said these things. He was
merely quoting.
Cue Willy Poaster ....
DFS
> Flatfish the anti Linux troll is clueless as always:-
He was quoting someone else, like you did when you lied "Vista32 can only
use 3GB of RAM and Vista64 is limited to 4GB of RAM".
The difference is Moshe took the poster on his word and truly didn't know OO
had pivot tables, but you did know Vista64 wasn't limited to 4gb of RAM, and
posted it anyway.
You're a lying loser, Telnet.
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Marti van Lin <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>>> Hadron Lied:
> I thought I would repost the thread. Note how Marti lies and accuses me
> of thinking I was an fstab "magician" .. I didn't. I merely pointed out
> that MOST people wouldn't have a clue. As indeed Marti didn't. A great
> contribution from Don as usual, and some super sphincter rimming from
> Terry Porter. A classic thread of COLA idiocy in every sense:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/636dd15cd659b907/d8156c57586dde66#d8156c57586dde66
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yctvsl6
>
> Some memorable quotes that sum up the thread:
>
> "AFAIK this "trick" is only necessary in Ubuntu"
> "What if Grandma wants to use Mandriva?"
Grandma?
Grandma?
If grandma encounters the slightest roadbump in ANY OS, you are going
to be over there doing tech support for her. This doesn't matter if it's
MacOS, Linux or Windows. Something as simple as an HP printer install in
Vista can trigger some scary bogus error dialog and send grandma into a
state of total confusion.
Grandma is a bad example.
[deletia]
--
It's great to run an OS where you have to search Google |||
to find problems rather than experiencing them yourself. / | \
JEDIDIAH
>> family PC runs on it...
>>
> Consistency is not a Mushy-poo forte nor is it with those of his ilk. For
> example, once I described the only experience I ever had with Vista which
> was at a hotel in Paris I was staying at for a couple of days. I couldn't
> turn the friggin thing off because it kept insisting I do some upgrade first
> and I was in a hurry. I just yanked the plug out of the wall and handed the
> steaming heap back to the person at the reception desk. Sadly for me, I
> "lost all credibility" when I recounted this tale of woe because of my
> inability to deal with Vista. Now Mushy presents us with this ...uh...
> techie would can't even insert a single line like
> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> or the like in his xorg.conf file. Since it's Ubuntu, there's probably some
I don't know what mouse he's using. Hell, I am not even sure what mouse
I am using. However, it has a mousewheel and it "just works" under Ubuntu.
If his mouse remark is as accurate as his pivot table remark then he
is entirely full of shit.
It sounds like he's repeating someone else's FUD talking points.
Hadron
> On 2009-09-25, Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Marti van Lin <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>> Hadron Lied:
> [deletia]
>> I thought I would repost the thread. Note how Marti lies and accuses me
>> of thinking I was an fstab "magician" .. I didn't. I merely pointed out
>> that MOST people wouldn't have a clue. As indeed Marti didn't. A great
>> contribution from Don as usual, and some super sphincter rimming from
>> Terry Porter. A classic thread of COLA idiocy in every sense:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/636dd15cd659b907/d8156c57586dde66#d8156c57586dde66
>>
>> or
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yctvsl6
>>
>> Some memorable quotes that sum up the thread:
>>
>> "AFAIK this "trick" is only necessary in Ubuntu"
>> "What if Grandma wants to use Mandriva?"
>
> Grandma?
>
> Grandma?
The point flys over your head once more.
>
> If grandma encounters the slightest roadbump in ANY OS, you are going
> to be over there doing tech support for her. This doesn't matter if it's
> MacOS, Linux or Windows. Something as simple as an HP printer install in
> Vista can trigger some scary bogus error dialog and send grandma into a
> state of total confusion.
>
> Grandma is a bad example.
>
> [deletia]
Don't even try to compare installing HW on Windows with adding an fstab
line that you dont understand as root.
Lusotec
> to use them, they're not so great. Compare the Open Office
> versus Microsoft Office. The basic functions are there, but the
> advanced functions are not. There's no pivot tables in the
> abuses of Microsoft. I installed Ubuntu on my spare computer and
> I can't even get the wheel on the mouse to work. Netbooks that
> were released with Linux operating systems didn't sell. People
> wanted Windows.
>
> Problem is there is an infinite number of combinations of
> hardware and software and to develop and support a product that
> works on most of them requires a dedicated staff and costs a lot
> of money. Having people working on it in their spare time isn't
> going to cut it. "
From reading the above it becomes obvious to anyone that has used GNU/Linux
or OpenOffice for more than a few hours that this dude is NOT a GNU/Linux
user.
In all, it was a very positive review for GNU/Linux. A inexperienced user
installed Ubuntu and found two "problems". The first was that he did not
know that "pivot tables" in Openoffice are named "DataPilot". The second
was that the mouse wheel did not work, probably because the mouse was
nonstandard. A problem easily fixed in the configuration GUI of Ubuntu.
If all my Windows problem had been this problematic I would probably never
had moved to GNU/Linux.
Regards.
TomB
> line that you dont understand as root.
If you don't understand it as root, you won't understand it as hadron
either.
--
You're almost as happy as you think you are.
TomB
What the hell is the logic behind *that*? They remove the
[ctrl][alt][bsp] functionality from X to protect novice users from
accidentally killing there X session, and then Ubuntu has a package to
restore that functionality installed by default?
Just great...
--
Don't read any sky-writing for the next two weeks.
Lusotec
> Don't even try to compare installing HW on Windows with adding an fstab
> line that you dont understand as root.
Editing fstab is far easier than messing with some undocumented value in the
registry because Windows decided to use the wrong USB drivers for a device
or because the driver's GUI does not have a way to select the Wifi channels
and for some reason the auto detect does the wrong thing.
When it works, installing HW on Windows or GNU/Linux is easy. When it does
not, it can be very messy whatever the OS is.
Regards.
Hadron
Point 1 : I prefer the Linux way in general. My point about Marti's
fawning stands however.
Point 2 : the nonsense about Windows being difficult to install HW for
is generally nonsense. You run an installer.
Sure there are always hickups as there are with Linux.
But please.
A nOOb editing fstab as root can see the whole system totally unbootable
as quick as you can say "hypocricial COLA loon".
Attila 'the Smiling COLA Ho'
> http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=1830013&mpage=2
>
> "All the open source products sound great, but then when you go
> to use them, they're not so great. Compare the Open Office
> versus Microsoft Office. The basic functions are there, but the
> advanced functions are not. There's no pivot tables in the
> spreadsheets. Linux was going to save the world against the
> abuses of Microsoft. I installed Ubuntu on my spare computer and
> I can't even get the wheel on the mouse to work. Netbooks that
> were released with Linux operating systems didn't sell. People
> wanted Windows.
>
> Problem is there is an infinite number of combinations of
> hardware and software and to develop and support a product that
> works on most of them requires a dedicated staff and costs a lot
> of money. Having people working on it in their spare time isn't
> going to cut it. "
I see you have ruffled the feathers of the COLA Loud Mouth Gang of 20. :-P
William Poaster
trolls, TomB was heard to say:
> On 2009-09-25, the following emerged from the brain of William Poaster:
Karmic Alpha 6.
I got popup notices asking for root privileges to use it, when I hadn't
even tried to use it. However, after a few updates it seems to have gone.
Be interesting to see if it's in the 'beta' version when it's released.
> Just great...
William Poaster
trolls, Lusotec was heard to say:
> Hadron wrote:
>> Don't even try to compare installing HW on Windows with adding an fstab
>> line that you dont understand as root.
>
> Editing fstab is far easier than messing with some undocumented value in the
> registry because Windows decided to use the wrong USB drivers for a device
> or because the driver's GUI does not have a way to select the Wifi channels
> and for some reason the auto detect does the wrong thing.
Yes, but look who you're replying to.
Moshe Goldfarb
I posted an example of what people *think* about Linux, IOW
their perception.
Of course telnet Terry Porter isn't bright enough to discern the
difference between that and what he is squawking about.
Moshe Goldfarb
> Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Marti van Lin <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>>> Hadron Lied:
>>>
>>>>> You remind me of when Marti was showing off about his fstab
>>>>> line to get his quickcam working.
>>>
>>> It wasn't a Logitech QuickCam, I told you that already. They work out of
>>> the box in Ubuntu, told you that as well.
>>>
>>> It was a "Bestoffice" Webcam, a real el cheapo (cost only ￜ 10,--)
>>>
>>>>> I asked him what he thought the line
>>>>> did : he had zero clue.
>>>
>>> Excuse me Hadron but you are baldfaced lying here.
>>>
>>> I explained you all the options in that fstab very well. You where the
>>> one that didn't get it.
>>
>> No you didnt.
>>
>>>
>>> You asked what the mount point was and I responded "no where I guess,
>>> it's a hack".
>>
>> Want me to post a link?
>>
>>>
>>> I remember very well that Peter Kï¿œhlmann confirmed that "I explained it
And "down" goes Marti.......
Once again....
Moshe Goldfarb
> So according to you, this guy is representative of "real users"? Well, I see
> we still have LOT of advocacy and education to do ... He's wrong about
> almost everything, except maybe his mouse problem -- either his mouse is
> broken, or he has a "special" mouse, requiring special drivers, available
> for Windows only, of course.
Key phrase what Real Users *think* about Linux.
I knew right off that the less than intelligent Linux gobs in
COLA would jump all over this and totally miss the point.
To your credit, you nailed it in your first paragraph.
> He's particularly wrong about the "infinite number of combinations of
> hardware and software": first, Linux has by far the broadest and best
> native hardware support of any OS out there, and most major OSS projects
> contain orders of magnitude less bugs than their proprietary counterparts;
> second, that "infinite number of combinations of hardware and software"
> doesn't require dedicated, highly paid staff to ensure proper working
> stuff -- what it requires, is well-defined and documented open standards,
> and general adherence to these standards. But the proprietary world in
> general and Microsoft in particular are always ready to screw standards if
> that benefits their own base line. Divide and conquer, it's called.
> This man's mouse (if not actually broken) is a shining example: its wheel
> function obviously doesn't follow established standards. Ergo: problem
> under current Linux versions, and no doubt in near-future Windows versions
> too, when the manufacturer decides it's too costly to create new drivers
> for a relatively cheap product they don't even sell any more.
>
> The "real users" are the well over 100 people I installed Linux for, and
> some 95% of whom are quite happy with it. Sure, there are things to grumble
> about on occasion -- Linux isn't perfect. But on average, they encounter
> way less problems than Windows users.
>
> Richard Rasker
Moshe Goldfarb
wrote:
They took the bait...see my reply to the others.
Gordon
> In all, it was a very positive review for GNU/Linux. A inexperienced user
> installed Ubuntu and found two "problems". The first was that he did not
> know that "pivot tables" in Openoffice are named "DataPilot".
And that's not even a "Linux" problem - Open office on Windows ALSO
calls them DataPilot. :-)
Moshe Goldfarb
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=1830013&mpage=2
>>
>> "All the open source products sound great, but then when you go
>> to use them, they're not so great. Compare the Open Office
>> versus Microsoft Office. The basic functions are there, but the
>> advanced functions are not. There's no pivot tables in the
>> spreadsheets. Linux was going to save the world against the
>> abuses of Microsoft. I installed Ubuntu on my spare computer and
>> I can't even get the wheel on the mouse to work. Netbooks that
>> were released with Linux operating systems didn't sell. People
>> wanted Windows.
>>
>> Problem is there is an infinite number of combinations of
>> hardware and software and to develop and support a product that
>> works on most of them requires a dedicated staff and costs a lot
>> of money. Having people working on it in their spare time isn't
>> going to cut it. "
>
> From reading the above it becomes obvious to anyone that has used GNU/Linux
> or OpenOffice for more than a few hours that this dude is NOT a GNU/Linux
> user.
That's right....
He's a non-user alright, because he couldn't get Ubuntu Linux to
even install properly.
He couldn't even get his mouse to fully function so he probably
dumped it because he didn't want to spend his life trying to
make it work.
This is typical BTW and I see it's hit a nerve in COLA because
you guys know full well it's the truth.
This guy no axe to grind.
It's an audio group FWIW and they are waiting anxiously for the
day when Linux has decent audio applications.
JEDIDIAH
If grandma doesn't get it, it doesn't matter how arcane it is.
Grandma is still left out in the cold.
JEDIDIAH
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> Don't even try to compare installing HW on Windows with adding an fstab
>>> line that you dont understand as root.
>>
>> Editing fstab is far easier than messing with some undocumented value in the
>> registry because Windows decided to use the wrong USB drivers for a device
>> or because the driver's GUI does not have a way to select the Wifi channels
>> and for some reason the auto detect does the wrong thing.
>>
>> When it works, installing HW on Windows or GNU/Linux is easy. When it does
>> not, it can be very messy whatever the OS is.
>>
>> Regards.
>
> Point 1 : I prefer the Linux way in general. My point about Marti's
> fawning stands however.
>
> Point 2 : the nonsense about Windows being difficult to install HW for
> is generally nonsense. You run an installer.
...and it fails. Or the tools that are installed aren't up to the task.
The failure doesn't have to be terribly "impressive". Any strange occurence
will completely confound the willfully ignorant. It's like nuclear defense
system. If it doesn't work 100% then it doesn't matter. It fails and the
end user is "nuked". One nuke will do. It doesn't have to be thousands.
Apple at least understands this.
>
> Sure there are always hickups as there are with Linux.
>
> But please.
>
> A nOOb editing fstab as root can see the whole system totally unbootable
> as quick as you can say "hypocricial COLA loon".
The same is true for the registry.
Enjoy your True Lemming Troll moment.
JEDIDIAH
It's like the ssh server in MacOS.
The straightjacket on by default but it is easy to get off.
It's perfectly reasonable really.
William Poaster
trolls, JEDIDIAH was heard to say:
Ah, the Registry. Where M$ puts all *your* eggs in their *one* basket. :-)
Marti van Lin
> On 2009-09-25, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> So instead of whining, why dont you FIX it? But no. COLA is for do
>> nothings. There is clearly an issue. And crowing about editing xorg as
>> root is ridiculous.
>
> So now we can't even use root anymore to edit the xorg.conf file? Nice
> going...
>
> Anyway, I don't have an xorg.conf file anymore on my Debian box. I'm
> still not sure whether I like this or not. I used to have a central
> point to configure X, with a pretty userfriendly syntax. Now
> configuration is scattered all over the place in obscure looking
> xml-style config files.
And another blunder of "Hardon Quark". One /has/ to edit xorg.conf as
root, because writing to the /etc directory /requires/ root rights.
A "normal" user has no write access to the /etc directory. And there is
a mighty good and simple reason for that.
Imagine: you are the sysadmin of a large business and you have migrated
your entire computer-park (including desktops) to Linux.
Here comes Joe Sixpack, the very kind, but not too bright typist.
Because he uses dah linxnex thingy on his work, he got interested and
wants to know some more of the linxnex.
Joe has write access to the /etc directory-tree, so he opens a random
file and writes some garbage in it.
I hope the Windroids get the picture: if "normal" users have write
access to the /etc directory-tree, than they are all able to screw up
your system.
--
|_|0|_| Marti van Lin
|_|_|0| http://ml2mst.googlepages.com
|0|0|0| http://osgeex.blogspot.com
Moshe Goldfarb
I got news for ya Marti, you can't even save your Nvidia
settings as a user under Ubuntu when you launch the
nvidia-settings program from the menu.
Unless they've listened to me and fixed it in the latest
version.
Don Zeigler
> They took the bait...see my reply to the others.
Flatfish replying to one of his socks.... hilarious.
--
Regards,
Don Zeigler
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...... The trouble with apathy these days is nobody cares.
Moshe Goldfarb
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> They took the bait...see my reply to the others.
>
> Flatfish replying to one of his socks.... hilarious.
Floating more balloons I see...
Sigh, the one thing you never seem to be able to do is prove
your accusations.
It makes for hilarious entertainment though watching you misfire
all the time.
Don Zeigler
>> FOAD Bitch!
>
> Oh look! Just a few posts ago Marti was decrying "wintrolls" and their
> "insults".
That wasn't an insult, it was a hearty recommendation.
Don Zeigler
> The point flys over your head once more.
Your spelling error flew over yours, fartblossom.
Moshe Goldfarb
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> The point flys over your head once more.
>
> Your spelling error flew over yours, fartblossom.
fartblossom ?
That's a gnu one...
Don Zeigler
>> Your spelling error flew over yours, fartblossom.
>
> fartblossom ?
>
> That's a gnu one...
:-D Not in the south it ain't.
Moshe Goldfarb
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>>> Your spelling error flew over yours, fartblossom.
>>
>> fartblossom ?
>>
>> That's a gnu one...
>
> :-D Not in the south it ain't.
I thought you were in WV?
Attila
Only for you, sweetpea. "fartblossom has a long and illustrious history. It
is used in some of the early works of Omar Khayam, 1048-1122, translated
from the Perian, obviously. However, Fitzgerald's translations have proven
remarkably reliable. Anyone with a half decent education would be familiar
with the term. And where do you think the title "The scented garden" came
from, honeybuns? What exactly do you think Abudullah, the Satirist from
Shiraz, was referring to. Don is to be commended for his erudition. Ach, the
ignorance of yooot. ;)
Attila, The Freetard from Hell
Attila
Uh... at the risk of offending Komrad Hadron (again, ;) hi hi), pot, kettle
black, meathead. Remember this one, sweetbuns? Who are you? who? who? (or
should that be ho? ho?), you really want to know? ;)
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
>
>>> FOAD Bitch!
>>
>> Oh look! Just a few posts ago Marti was decrying "wintrolls" and their
>> "insults".
>
> That wasn't an insult, it was a hearty recommendation.
"Hadron" deserves contumely, since he dishes it out with no provocation.
Others do not deserve it.
--
You never hesitate to tackle the most difficult problems.
chrisv
> Don Zeigler belched:
>
>> Hadron quacked:
>>
>>>> FOAD Bitch!
>>>
>>> Oh look! Just a few posts ago Marti was decrying "wintrolls" and their
>>> "insults".
>>
>> That wasn't an insult, it was a hearty recommendation.
>
>"Hadron" deserves contumely, since he dishes it out with no provocation.
>Others do not deserve it.
Well, calling Quack something like "lying idiot asshole" isn't really
an insult. It's just a fact.
--
"It's called Distro hell. It is holding the adoption of Linux back.
This choice thing is a joke." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
Peter Köhlmann
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Don Zeigler belched:
>>
>>> Hadron quacked:
>>>
>>>>> FOAD Bitch!
>>>>
>>>> Oh look! Just a few posts ago Marti was decrying "wintrolls" and
>>>> their "insults".
>>>
>>> That wasn't an insult, it was a hearty recommendation.
>>
>>"Hadron" deserves contumely, since he dishes it out with no provocation.
>>Others do not deserve it.
>
> Well, calling Quack something like "lying idiot asshole" isn't really
> an insult.
It is. To the "lying idiot assholes"
> It's just a fact.
>
--
Law of Probable Dispersal:
Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.
Don Zeigler
> I thought you were in WV?
Yes, but born and raised in NC.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> I thought you were in WV?
>
> Yes, but born and raised in NC.
They drove you out of Mayberry? :-D
--
Delay not, Caesar. Read it instantly.
-- Shakespeare, "Julius Caesar" 3,1
Here is a letter, read it at your leisure.
-- Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice" 5,1
[Quoted in "VMS Internals and Data Structures", V4.4, when
referring to I/O system services.]
Moshe Goldfarb
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> I thought you were in WV?
>
> Yes, but born and raised in NC.
Ok...
I'll be passing through WV this week.
Wave !
Don Zeigler
> Ok...
> I'll be passing through WV this week.
> Wave !
What part?
Don Zeigler
> They drove you out of Mayberry? :-D
Mount Pilot. :-P
Moshe Goldfarb
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> Ok...
>> I'll be passing through WV this week.
>> Wave !
>
> What part?
Where 81 meets 77..
I come down 81 then pick up 77 south.
Hadron
> TomB wrote:
>> On 2009-09-25, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>> So instead of whining, why dont you FIX it? But no. COLA is for do
>>> nothings. There is clearly an issue. And crowing about editing xorg as
>>> root is ridiculous.
>>
>> So now we can't even use root anymore to edit the xorg.conf file? Nice
>> going...
>>
>> Anyway, I don't have an xorg.conf file anymore on my Debian box. I'm
>> still not sure whether I like this or not. I used to have a central
>> point to configure X, with a pretty userfriendly syntax. Now
>> configuration is scattered all over the place in obscure looking
>> xml-style config files.
>
> And another blunder of "Hardon Quark". One /has/ to edit xorg.conf as
> root, because writing to the /etc directory /requires/ root rights.
Err, I know. WTF are you talking about?
Moshe Goldfarb
I think Marti is in love,,,,,,,again.
Peter Köhlmann
Well, it was *you* who starting ranting about how bad it is to edit
xorg.conf as root, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user",
"swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin",
"defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
coordinator", "email sage", "tripwire wizard", "Pulseaudio rockstar",
"XORG sorcerer" and "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka
Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary, aka Steve Townsend, aka
Ubuntu King
--
Only two things are infinite,
the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> Ok...
>> I'll be passing through WV this week.
>> Wave !
>
> What part?
His penis. :-D
--
Afternoon very favorable for romance. Try a single person for a change.
Moshe Goldfarb
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Don Zeigler belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>>> Ok...
>>> I'll be passing through WV this week.
>>> Wave !
>>
>> What part?
>
> His penis. :-D
Physically impossible......
Hadron
Don Zeigler
> Where 81 meets 77..
>
> I come down 81 then pick up 77 south.
They've jacked up the tolls on the Turnpike portion, btw.
Moshe Goldfarb
And vomit....
Really strange cat.
Moshe Goldfarb
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> Where 81 meets 77..
>>
>> I come down 81 then pick up 77 south.
>
> They've jacked up the tolls on the Turnpike portion, btw.
Yea..I don't get that far over.
I go 78 to 81 to 77 so I just cross into WV for a little bit.
They also closed a lot of the rest stops as well.
I usually get off for fuel right after entering WV.
It's a beautiful state.
Don Zeigler
> I usually get off for fuel right after entering WV.
>
> It's a beautiful state.
Get your fuel on the Virginia side, it's cheaper.
--
Regards,
Don Zeigler
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...Lye, Cheetham, and Steele: Attorneys at Law
Moshe Goldfarb
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> I usually get off for fuel right after entering WV.
>>
>> It's a beautiful state.
>
> Get your fuel on the Virginia side, it's cheaper.
Thanks for the advice!!