Good News: ML2MST dumps Windows Vista again
ml2mst
moves to Windows XP and Vista".
He based this on a message I left in a Windows Vista NG.
However I've got this Webcam finally to work under Ubuntu GNU/Linux 8.10
(Inteprid Ibex).
All I had to do, was adding this line to /etc/fstab:
none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
Then I installed "Cheese" and the webcam worked out of the box (no
drivers required).
I installed Intreped Ibex on my Acer Aspire 7220 and wiped the /entire/
harddisk.
I loved fooling around with Vista, like I love to fool around with /any/
Operating System. May she rest in peace!
--
|_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin
|_|_|0| http://ml2mst.googlepages.com
|0|0|0| http://osgeex.blogspot.com
Hadron
> Last week Clogwog wrote this story: "Good news: ML2MST - Marti van Lin -
> moves to Windows XP and Vista".
>
> He based this on a message I left in a Windows Vista NG.
>
> However I've got this Webcam finally to work under Ubuntu GNU/Linux 8.10
> (Inteprid Ibex).
>
> All I had to do, was adding this line to /etc/fstab:
>
> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
All you had to do?
Yup. Granny Marti would love going to root to edit fstab and mounting
that. I'm pretty familiar with fstab and I have zero idea (without
googling and referencing to the info page) what that even begins to do.
Be honest Marti - that's simply ridiculous at this stage.
Terry Porter
> Last week Clogwog wrote this story: "Good news: ML2MST - Marti van Lin -
> moves to Windows XP and Vista".
>
> He based this on a message I left in a Windows Vista NG.
>
> However I've got this Webcam finally to work under Ubuntu GNU/Linux 8.10
> (Inteprid Ibex).
>
> All I had to do, was adding this line to /etc/fstab:
>
> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>
> Then I installed "Cheese" and the webcam worked out of the box (no
> drivers required).
>
> I installed Intreped Ibex on my Acer Aspire 7220 and wiped the /entire/
> harddisk.
>
> I loved fooling around with Vista, like I love to fool around with /any/
> Operating System. May she rest in peace!
Hi Marty,
I would not worry about Wintrolls like Clogwog. According to the
Wintrolls I've 'gone back to Windows' at least 20 times I know off over
the last decade!
I've managed to do this without having any OS but Linux on my workstation
or server since August 1997.
In any event, why would COLA care if a Linux advocate uses Windows in any
capacity (even tho we may wonder how they put up with Windows) ?
The fact is we don't care, and we welcome honest, intelligent Windows
advocates here, but the sad thing is that we hardly ever get any, and
those that we have had here, soon move to Linux anyway !
The Wintrolls are just a blight, like the pox, and no Linux advocate here
takes anything they say seriously.
Cya
Terry
--
If we wish to reduce our ignorance, there are people we will
indeed listen to. Trolls are not among those people, as trolls, more or
less by definition, *promote* ignorance.
Kelsey Bjarnason, C.O.L.A. 2008
Clogwog
news:gg5m0k$8qr$1...@news.albasani.net...
> Last week Clogwog wrote this story: "Good news: ML2MST - Marti van Lin -
> moves to Windows XP and Vista".
>
> He based this on a message I left in a Windows Vista NG.
>
> However I've got this Webcam finally to work under Ubuntu GNU/Linux 8.10
> (Inteprid Ibex).
>
> All I had to do, was adding this line to /etc/fstab:
>
> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
And you think that all new Ubuntu/Linux users are able to use such code to
configure their hardware?, you must be joking!
That's exactly the reason why inexpirienced Linux users dump Linux and buy
Windows.
In the real world, people have no time to spend hours surfing the web to get
things done!
chrisv
news:KZCdnTbHTqXxErvU...@netspace.net.au...
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:55:10 +0100, ml2mst wrote:
>
*PLONK*
chrisv
Ignore the forger.
Terry Porter
Of course :)
The Chrisv I read is a well balanced and reasonable Linux Advocate, just
like the vast majority of Linux Advocates.
We don't *hate* Windows, we just think it's utter crap, whitegoods for
the masses, toys-r-us, without the quality ...
It never ceases to amaze me what Windows users will pay for inferior
versions of the Linux tools I get for Free.
ml2mst
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:55:10 +0100, ml2mst wrote:
>
>> Last week Clogwog wrote this story: "Good news: ML2MST - Marti van Lin -
>> moves to Windows XP and Vista".
>>
>> He based this on a message I left in a Windows Vista NG.
>>
>> However I've got this Webcam finally to work under Ubuntu GNU/Linux 8.10
>> (Inteprid Ibex).
>>
>> All I had to do, was adding this line to /etc/fstab:
>>
>> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>>
>> Then I installed "Cheese" and the webcam worked out of the box (no
>> drivers required).
>>
>> I installed Intreped Ibex on my Acer Aspire 7220 and wiped the /entire/
>> harddisk.
>>
>> I loved fooling around with Vista, like I love to fool around with /any/
>> Operating System. May she rest in peace!
>
> Hi Marty,
>
> I would not worry about Wintrolls like Clogwog. According to the
> Wintrolls I've 'gone back to Windows' at least 20 times I know off over
> the last decade!
I don't worry that much anymore. We all know they make up stories, or at
best mix up facts with their own fantasies and lies :-)
> I've managed to do this without having any OS but Linux on my workstation
> or server since August 1997.
>
> In any event, why would COLA care if a Linux advocate uses Windows in any n
> capacity (even tho we may wonder how they put up with Windows) ?
n
Indeed nobody cares, excluding the Windroids, who claim one actually
*needs* Windows. I beg to differ.
> The fact is we don't care, and we welcome honest, intelligent Windows
> advocates here, but the sad thing is that we hardly ever get any, and
> those that we have had here, soon move to Linux anyway !
>
> The Wintrolls are just a blight, like the pox, and no Linux advocate here
> takes anything they say seriously.
Yeppers, Mark Kent wrote a great piece about them a while ago:
http://www.aeonity.com/mark_kent/usenet-trolls
It was very helpful to me when Clogwog still had the "power" to piss me
off. These days he only makes me laugh ;-)
> Cya
> Terry
Cheers
Hadron
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:31:06 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>
>> some idiot forging chrisv wrote:
>>
>>>"Terry Porter" <lin...@netspace.net.au> schreef in bericht
>>>news:KZCdnTbHTqXxErvU...@netspace.net.au...
>>>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:55:10 +0100, ml2mst wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marty,
>>>
>>>*PLONK*
>>
>> Ignore the forger.
>
> Of course :)
>
> The Chrisv I read is a well balanced and reasonable Linux Advocate, just
> like the vast majority of Linux Advocates.
No hes isn't. He's a total moron who posts nothing other than vile
language and troll recommendations.
>
> We don't *hate* Windows, we just think it's utter crap, whitegoods for
> the masses, toys-r-us, without the quality ...
Who is "we" Terry? You and your imaginary army all saluting you?
>
> It never ceases to amaze me what Windows users will pay for inferior
> versions of the Linux tools I get for Free.
You dont need to tell us about the cost any more.
But time and time again you forget that many of the tools work on
Windows too.
You really are a clueless waste of space.
--
"True. Due to a lack of competition, there essentially have been no
improvements to Microsoft's operating system and office software. It
just works."
-- High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Tattoo Vampire
> You really are a clueless waste of space.
Said Queeg, looking in the mirror.
Fuck off, Hadron. Everyone hates you.
--
Regards,
[tv]
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...On a clear disk you can seek forever
ml2mst
> ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
> > Last week Clogwog wrote this story: "Good news: ML2MST - Marti van Lin -
> > moves to Windows XP and Vista".
>
> > He based this on a message I left in a Windows Vista NG.
>
> > However I've got this Webcam finally to work under Ubuntu GNU/Linux 8.10
> > (Inteprid Ibex).
>
> > All I had to do, was adding this line to /etc/fstab:
>
> > none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>
> All you had to do?
Yup, I downloaded and compiled the gspca module sources, which after
all was not necessary.
> Yup. Granny Marti would love going to root to edit fstab and mounting
> that. I'm pretty familiar with fstab and I have zero idea (without
> googling and referencing to the info page) what that even begins to do.
No use to read the fstab info- or manpage. It is crystal clear what
it's doing (at least this is what I think is most logical, indeed
actually I'm *only guessing* this :
*Everyone* who uses GNU/Linux, knows the "everything is a file" mantra
(including every process).
Processes are stored in the /dev/proc directory tree. So this is what
it says IMHO:
Mount to: none
the data in: /dev/proc/bus/usb
file system type: usbfs
device group ID: 1000 (actually the group "marti")
device mode: 664
AFAIK this "trick" is only necessary in Ubuntu
> Be honest Marti - that's simply ridiculous at this stage.
The only thing ridiculous here is someone who's claiming to be an
fstab magician but does not seem to get the simplicity of it.
DFS
> On 21 nov, 09:37, Hadron <hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Last week Clogwog wrote this story: "Good news: ML2MST - Marti van
>>> Lin - moves to Windows XP and Vista".
>>
>>> He based this on a message I left in a Windows Vista NG.
>>
>>> However I've got this Webcam finally to work under Ubuntu GNU/Linux
>>> 8.10 (Inteprid Ibex).
I wish you were honest enough to reveal how many hours it took you to
"finally" get it working.
But you're a Linux "advocate*", and you can't be trusted.
>>> All I had to do, was adding this line to /etc/fstab:
>>
>>> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>>
>> All you had to do?
Linux: too ridiculous for words
> Yup, I downloaded and compiled the gspca module sources,
> which after all was not necessary.
Clearly, Microsoft is doomed.
>> Yup. Granny Marti would love going to root to edit fstab and mounting
>> that. I'm pretty familiar with fstab and I have zero idea (without
>> googling and referencing to the info page) what that even begins to
>> do.
>
> No use to read the fstab info- or manpage. It is crystal clear what
> it's doing (at least this is what I think is most logical, indeed
> actually I'm *only guessing* this :
>
> *Everyone* who uses GNU/Linux, knows the "everything is a file" mantra
> (including every process).
>
> Processes are stored in the /dev/proc directory tree.
Cue Ghost to give you his weird pedantic version of this statement.
> So this is what it says IMHO:
>
> Mount to: none
> the data in: /dev/proc/bus/usb
> file system type: usbfs
> device group ID: 1000 (actually the group "marti")
> device mode: 664
>
> AFAIK this "trick" is only necessary in Ubuntu
What if Grandma wants to use Mandriva?
>> Be honest Marti - that's simply ridiculous at this stage.
>
> The only thing ridiculous here is someone who's claiming to be an
> fstab magician but does not seem to get the simplicity of it.
Where did he claim to be a "magician"? He didn't. That's the same type of
lying horseshit Kohlmann pulls.
Hadron
> On 21 nov, 09:37, Hadron <hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>> > Last week Clogwog wrote this story: "Good news: ML2MST - Marti van Lin -
>> > moves to Windows XP and Vista".
>>
>> > He based this on a message I left in a Windows Vista NG.
>>
>> > However I've got this Webcam finally to work under Ubuntu GNU/Linux 8.10
>> > (Inteprid Ibex).
>>
>> > All I had to do, was adding this line to /etc/fstab:
>>
>> > none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>>
>> All you had to do?
>
> Yup, I downloaded and compiled the gspca module sources, which after
> all was not necessary.
>
>> Yup. Granny Marti would love going to root to edit fstab and mounting
>> that. I'm pretty familiar with fstab and I have zero idea (without
>> googling and referencing to the info page) what that even begins to do.
>
> No use to read the fstab info- or manpage. It is crystal clear what
> it's doing (at least this is what I think is most logical, indeed
> actually I'm *only guessing* this :
Crystal ccear? And then you go on ....
>
> *Everyone* who uses GNU/Linux, knows the "everything is a file" mantra
> (including every process).
>
> Processes are stored in the /dev/proc directory tree. So this is what
> it says IMHO:
>
> Mount to: none
> the data in: /dev/proc/bus/usb
> file system type: usbfs
> device group ID: 1000 (actually the group "marti")
> device mode: 664
>
> AFAIK this "trick" is only necessary in Ubuntu
Not on Debian? Or Mint or .... ?
>
>> Be honest Marti - that's simply ridiculous at this stage.
>
> The only thing ridiculous here is someone who's claiming to be an
> fstab magician but does not seem to get the simplicity of it.
>
And yet you openly admit to "guessing" above.
I know plenty about fstab but have never used that format and still do
not know as you appear not to either.
You have explained above what it "does" not why or for what reasons. It
is as clear as daylight that you have no clue as to what that does.
--
"Its obvious Micoshaft sponsored frauds and net stalkers are now attacking individuals directly in organised gangs in linux advocacy newsgroups as predicted since it is known micoshaft is failing in the market place."
7, COLA Linux "advocate" and nutjob.
Peter Köhlmann
Well, you are so good at googling. Or better, you /claim/ to be
>>> Be honest Marti - that's simply ridiculous at this stage.
>>
>> The only thing ridiculous here is someone who's claiming to be an
>> fstab magician but does not seem to get the simplicity of it.
>>
>
> And yet you openly admit to "guessing" above.
And did fine
> I know plenty about fstab but have never used that format and still do
> not know
Why doesn't that surprise anyone?
> as you appear not to either.
/quote
It is crystal clear what it's doing
/unquote
> You have explained above what it "does" not why or for what reasons. It
> is as clear as daylight that you have no clue as to what that does.
>
For "not having a clue" he "guessed" mightily good
--
Don't abandon hope: your Tom Mix decoder ring arrives tomorrow
Sinister Midget
>> > none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>>
>> All you had to do?
>> Yup. Granny Marti would love going to root to edit fstab and mounting
>> that. I'm pretty familiar with fstab and I have zero idea (without
>> googling and referencing to the info page) what that even begins to do.
>> Be honest Marti - that's simply ridiculous at this stage.
>
> The only thing ridiculous here is someone who's claiming to be an
> fstab magician but does not seem to get the simplicity of it.
Ah. A new resume enhancement: fstab magician.
I thought Quack knew all things linux. His implications seem to be such
that that's what we are to believe. You know, kernel hacker, chairman
of the Linux Culling Committee and all that other stuff that qualifies
him to comment on linux, direct people on what is and isn't right and
proper, talk ad infinitum about the quality and usefulness of certain
items, etc. If anyone should know all about proc, Quirk should be the
one (according to his claims of knowing so much).
--
No change in musical style will survive unless it is accompanied by a
change in clothing style. Rock is to dress up to.
-- Frank Zappa
ml2mst
Ain't it clear that it's forcing the group 1000 (marti) as it's group
ID? and that 664 describes what rights this group has?
William Poaster
Obviously not to the Quack troll.
--
Most people are sheep.
Microsoft is very effective
at fleecing the flockers.
William Poaster
> On 2008-11-22, ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> claimed:
>> On 21 nov, 09:37, Hadron <hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> > none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>>>
>>> All you had to do?
>
>>> Yup. Granny Marti would love going to root to edit fstab and mounting
>>> that. I'm pretty familiar with fstab and I have zero idea (without
>>> googling and referencing to the info page) what that even begins to do.
>
>>> Be honest Marti - that's simply ridiculous at this stage.
>>
>> The only thing ridiculous here is someone who's claiming to be an fstab
>> magician but does not seem to get the simplicity of it.
>
> Ah. A new resume enhancement: fstab magician.
>
> I thought Quack knew all things linux. His implications seem to be such
> that that's what we are to believe. You know, kernel hacker, chairman of
> the Linux Culling Committee and all that other stuff that qualifies him to
> comment on linux, direct people on what is and isn't right and proper,
> talk ad infinitum about the quality and usefulness of certain items, etc.
> If anyone should know all about proc, Quirk should be the one (according
> to his claims of knowing so much).
Damn, the Quack fstab magician is funny!
Maybe Quack's 'proc'tologist can find what he's talking out of! ;>)
ml2mst
> ml2mst wrote:
>> On 21 nov, 09:37, Hadron <hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> Last week Clogwog wrote this story: "Good news: ML2MST - Marti van
>>>> Lin - moves to Windows XP and Vista".
>>>> He based this on a message I left in a Windows Vista NG.
>>>> However I've got this Webcam finally to work under Ubuntu GNU/Linux
>>>> 8.10 (Inteprid Ibex).
>
> I wish you were honest enough to reveal how many hours it took you to
> "finally" get it working.
About the same time as I spent getting it (unsuccessfully) working under
Windows Vista.
> But you're a Linux "advocate*", and you can't be trusted.
Well our Winvocates have integrity :-D
>>>> All I had to do, was adding this line to /etc/fstab:
>>>> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>>> All you had to do?
>
> Linux: too ridiculous for words
Windows: too lame to get the job done
>> Yup, I downloaded and compiled the gspca module sources,
>> which after all was not necessary.
>
> Clearly, Microsoft is doomed.
>
>>> Yup. Granny Marti would love going to root to edit fstab and mounting
>>> that. I'm pretty familiar with fstab and I have zero idea (without
>>> googling and referencing to the info page) what that even begins to
>>> do.
>> No use to read the fstab info- or manpage. It is crystal clear what
>> it's doing (at least this is what I think is most logical, indeed
>> actually I'm *only guessing* this :
>>
>> *Everyone* who uses GNU/Linux, knows the "everything is a file" mantra
>> (including every process).
>>
>> Processes are stored in the /dev/proc directory tree.
>
> Cue Ghost to give you his weird pedantic version of this statement.
>
>
>> So this is what it says IMHO:
>>
>> Mount to: none
>> the data in: /dev/proc/bus/usb
>> file system type: usbfs
>> device group ID: 1000 (actually the group "marti")
>> device mode: 664
>>
>> AFAIK this "trick" is only necessary in Ubuntu
>
> What if Grandma wants to use Mandriva?
Why should she, other then for testing purposes, which was also the
reason she installed Windows Vista.
>>> Be honest Marti - that's simply ridiculous at this stage.
>> The only thing ridiculous here is someone who's claiming to be an
>> fstab magician but does not seem to get the simplicity of it.
>
> Where did he claim to be a "magician"? He didn't. That's the same type of
> lying horseshit Kohlmann pulls.
Hadron claimed to "know a lot about fstab", yet fails to understand why,
how and what is being achieved here.
Peter Köhlmann
But then, he is a "kernel hacker". Who "knows plenty about fstab"
--
Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
you with experience...
Hadron
> On 2008-11-22, ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> claimed:
>> On 21 nov, 09:37, Hadron <hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> > none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>>>
>>> All you had to do?
>
>>> Yup. Granny Marti would love going to root to edit fstab and mounting
>>> that. I'm pretty familiar with fstab and I have zero idea (without
>>> googling and referencing to the info page) what that even begins to do.
>
>>> Be honest Marti - that's simply ridiculous at this stage.
>>
>> The only thing ridiculous here is someone who's claiming to be an
>> fstab magician but does not seem to get the simplicity of it.
>
> Ah. A new resume enhancement: fstab magician.
>
> I thought Quack knew all things linux. His implications seem to be such
> that that's what we are to believe. You know, kernel hacker, chairman
> of the Linux Culling Committee and all that other stuff that qualifies
> him to comment on linux, direct people on what is and isn't right and
> proper, talk ad infinitum about the quality and usefulness of certain
> items, etc. If anyone should know all about proc, Quirk should be the
> one (according to his claims of knowing so much).
This would be all well and good if I had claimed that.
What I said was I was "familiar enough" with it. Having used it for:
+ nfs
+ sshfs
+ uuid based mounting
etc.
That line meant nothing to me.
But dont let that get in the way of your ridiculous whining.
--
"I hate Linux and Linux advocacy <click> I hate Linux and Linux
advocacy <click> I hate Linux and Linux advocacy <click> "
-- High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid.com> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Hadron
Streuth. Yes, But the question is WHY and WHY wasn't it defaulted and
HOW did you find it and WHY does it not apply to other Distros.
Come off it Marti, I had you pegged as a bit more clued in than this.
Sinister Midget
It's going to take more room in a post to list his "qualifications"
than to respond to his "informed" claims before long. It's getting
close already.
--
A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it's not open.
-- Frank Zappa
Hadron
Ye gods. And yet you said it was "crystal clear" and still did not
provide an explanation of WHY.
I never had to mount anything in proc for USB devices. WHY did you? WHY
did the distro not detect it (lsusb anyone?)?
HOW did you find that solution.
A solution is only a real solution if you understand how and why.
And I think if you are honest with yourself you dont know WHY you had to
do what you did.
--
"XP can't be selling well, or we'd have the wintrolls crowing about it all
over the advocacy newsgroups."
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy
Hadron
> On 2008-11-22, William Poaster <w...@mc2-brunel.deb> claimed:
>> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:58:20 -0600, Sinister Midget wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-11-22, ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> claimed:
>>>> On 21 nov, 09:37, Hadron <hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>> > none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>>>>>
>>>>> All you had to do?
>>>
>>>>> Yup. Granny Marti would love going to root to edit fstab and mounting
>>>>> that. I'm pretty familiar with fstab and I have zero idea (without
>>>>> googling and referencing to the info page) what that even begins to do.
>>>
>>>>> Be honest Marti - that's simply ridiculous at this stage.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing ridiculous here is someone who's claiming to be an fstab
>>>> magician but does not seem to get the simplicity of it.
>>>
>>> Ah. A new resume enhancement: fstab magician.
>>>
>>> I thought Quack knew all things linux. His implications seem to be such
>>> that that's what we are to believe. You know, kernel hacker, chairman of
>>> the Linux Culling Committee and all that other stuff that qualifies him to
>>> comment on linux, direct people on what is and isn't right and proper,
>>> talk ad infinitum about the quality and usefulness of certain items, etc.
>>> If anyone should know all about proc, Quirk should be the one (according
>>> to his claims of knowing so much).
>>
>> Damn, the Quack fstab magician is funny!
Lookee here! Another clueless "me too" post from COLA's resident bore.
>>
>> Maybe Quack's 'proc'tologist can find what he's talking out of! ;>)
>
> It's going to take more room in a post to list his "qualifications"
> than to respond to his "informed" claims before long. It's getting
> close already.
So being familiar with fstab and NOT understanding something is being a
fstab magician?
You guys are simply insane.
The problem with you idiots is that you know too little to realise how
little you know. You are comfortable in your geek zone. The auld adage
of a "little knowledge being a dangerous thing" was never more
applicable as it is to you.
I, on the other hand, clearly state that I do not know why that line was
needed and WHY it was only applicable to Ubuntu. This is 2008 and Marti
has to add fstab lines he clearly does not understand to get a common
web cam working. Is this some kind of joke?
--
"There is no such thing as Intellectual Property"
Mark Kent
COLA Hypocrite
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> You really are a clueless waste of space.
>
> Said Queeg, looking in the mirror.
>
> Fuck off, Hadron. Everyone hates you.
Oh, I suspect Moshe and DFS enjoy his felching for them.
--
I may not be able to walk, but I drive from a sitting position.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Terry Porter wrote:
>
>> The Wintrolls are just a blight, like the pox, and no Linux advocate here
>> takes anything they say seriously.
>
> Yeppers, Mark Kent wrote a great piece about them a while ago:
>
> http://www.aeonity.com/mark_kent/usenet-trolls
A comment from there:
Trolling is a Usenet tradition as old as Usenet itself. As you hint in
this blog entry, many trolls post their trollish comments /just to get a
reaction/ - they often do not hold the opinion they're pretending to. I
read COLA, I know the discussion you're writing about, and I certainly
don't see any reason to believe the troll is jealous of the OP's comp sci
degree.
Heh heh.
--
The game of life is a game of boomerangs. Our thoughts, deeds and words
return to us sooner or later with astounding accuracy.
ml2mst
Why? because the USB subsystem is somewhat broken in Ubuntu. I don't
know why it's broken, I'm not responsible for the USB subsystem in Ubuntu.
I found the solution simply by Googling: zs0211+ubuntu. The issue was
covered on some mailing list post.
> Come off it Marti, I had you pegged as a bit more clued in than this.
Your the one who seems to be clueless, you don't seem to grasp it, not me.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2008-11-22, William Poaster <w...@mc2-brunel.deb> claimed:
To be fair, though I don't know why I bother, Hadron did admit he hasn't had
to learn anything about /etc/fstab to date.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron schreef:
>>
>> And yet you openly admit to "guessing" above.
>>
>> I know plenty about fstab but have never used that format and still do
>> not know as you appear not to either.
>>
>> You have explained above what it "does" not why or for what reasons. It
>> is as clear as daylight that you have no clue as to what that does.
>
> Ain't it clear that it's forcing the group 1000 (marti) as it's group
> ID? and that 664 describes what rights this group has?
I don't get it. On the one hand, Hadron say he /is/ familiar with fstab (I
missed that), yet here he cannot figure out what your fstab line does?
--
"I don't know why, but first C programs tend to look a lot worse than
first programs in any other language (maybe except for fortran, but then
I suspect all fortran programs look like `firsts')"
(By Olaf Kirch)
ml2mst
Neither do you Hadron, you whined recently about not even getting your
Logitech QuickCam to work. The QuickCam series however are known to work
very well in Linux, such in contrast to the damn thing I have.
There is a tarball (and IIRC even a .deb package) available for Logitech
QuickCam series, including the source code of the kernel module and an
interactive install script, pretty much like xf86config in the old days.
All you have to do, is fire up the install script and answer the (many)
questions. Unfortunately some of it is still in French, but that
shouldn't be a problem for anyone with two working braincells.
So now I finally get it. You are calling me names and pretend that I'm
some sort of incompetent luser, but you are simply using me to explain
it to you, because *YOU* don't grasp it.
Fine Hadron. Simply use Google to fix your HW issues, like I did and you
will be able to solve them your self.
Clean up your ass yourself. I'm not your mommy nor your nanny.
Grow up!
Hadron
You dont grasp anything. You googled a solution you do not understand.
Tell me did you need this for other USB devices?
Do ALL Ubuntu users need it?
You say Ubuntu USB subsystem is broken - yet when others mention that
here they are called liars.
You cant have your cake and eat it.
--
"Let the body stay buried wherever he put it, maybe it'll get
found some day, maybe not. "
-- "Bo Raxo" <crimene...@gmail.com> in alt.true-crime, comp.os.linux.advocacy
William Poaster
Ah, another lame post from the Quack troll.
And as I'm "COLA's resident bore" it's funny how the troll reads my
posts, isn't it.
>>>> Maybe Quack's 'proc'tologist can find what he's talking out of! ;>)
>>> It's going to take more room in a post to list his "qualifications"
>>> than to respond to his "informed" claims before long. It's getting
>>> close already.
>>
>> So being familiar with fstab and NOT understanding something is being a
>> fstab magician?
>>
>> You guys are simply insane.
>>
>> The problem with you idiots is that you know too little to realise how
>> little you know. You are comfortable in your geek zone. The auld adage
>> of a "little knowledge being a dangerous thing" was never more
>> applicable as it is to you.
>>
>> I, on the other hand, clearly state that I do not know why that line was
>> needed and WHY it was only applicable to Ubuntu. This is 2008 and Marti
>> has to add fstab lines he clearly does not understand to get a common
>> web cam working. Is this some kind of joke?
>
> Neither do you Hadron, you whined recently about not even getting your
> Logitech QuickCam to work. The QuickCam series however are known to work
> very well in Linux, such in contrast to the damn thing I have.
> There is a tarball (and IIRC even a .deb package) available for Logitech
> QuickCam series, including the source code of the kernel module and an
> interactive install script, pretty much like xf86config in the old days.
>
> All you have to do, is fire up the install script and answer the (many)
> questions. Unfortunately some of it is still in French, but that shouldn't
> be a problem for anyone with two working braincells.
>
That lets Quack out then.
> So now I finally get it. You are calling me names and pretend that I'm
> some sort of incompetent luser, but you are simply using me to explain it
> to you, because *YOU* don't grasp it.
It's been noted in other groups, that Quack simply doesn't grasp (or
doesn't *want* to grasp) what he's been told. But he's too dim to realise
it's *his* problem & blames others (naturally).
> Fine Hadron. Simply use Google to fix your HW issues, like I did and you
> will be able to solve them your self.
>
> Clean up your ass yourself. I'm not your mommy nor your nanny.
>
> Grow up!
Nah, he'd sooner whine & moan, which he's done in other groups too.
(References can be supplied!)
Hadron
I pointed out that the drivers do not work on that system.
>
> There is a tarball (and IIRC even a .deb package) available for Logitech
> QuickCam series, including the source code of the kernel module and an
> interactive install script, pretty much like xf86config in the old
> days.
I know.
>
> All you have to do, is fire up the install script and answer the (many)
> questions. Unfortunately some of it is still in French, but that
> shouldn't be a problem for anyone with two working braincells.
I know. And it didnt work.
>
> So now I finally get it. You are calling me names and pretend that I'm
> some sort of incompetent luser, but you are simply using me to explain
> it to you, because *YOU* don't grasp it.
Hold on : its ok for you to have to hack fstab for your web cam but I am
the incompetent one because I experienced similar issues which are not
cured by the install script?
>
> Fine Hadron. Simply use Google to fix your HW issues, like I did and you
> will be able to solve them your self.
>
> Clean up your ass yourself. I'm not your mommy nor your nanny.
>
> Grow up!
You totally miss the point.
Let me make it clear:
Ubuntu did NOT work with that web cam.
You googled a "solution" which you do NOT understand.
The ramifications of that are massive a few months down the line when
that mount statement in fstab clashes with other fixes.
YOU state that the USB subsystem is broken. Not me. You.
You entirely miss the importance of the "tape and glue" nature of your
fix and the distro hell implications.
Tattoo Vampire
> Clean up your ass yourself.
He's got Flatfarb and DFS to do that for him.
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Sinister Midget
But this is in the post you replied to (up a coupla quotes or so):
Yup. Granny Marti would love going to root to edit fstab and
mounting that. I'm pretty familiar with fstab and I have zero idea
(without googling and referencing to the info page) what that even
begins to do.
Evidently he's so familiar with fstab that he has to googoo what it
does and still can't figure it out.
--
If we can't be free at least we can be cheap.
-- Frank Zappa
owl
> "ml2mst" <ml2...@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
> news:gg5m0k$8qr$1...@news.albasani.net...
>> Last week Clogwog wrote this story: "Good news: ML2MST - Marti van Lin -
>> moves to Windows XP and Vista".
>>
>> He based this on a message I left in a Windows Vista NG.
>>
>> However I've got this Webcam finally to work under Ubuntu GNU/Linux 8.10
>> (Inteprid Ibex).
>>
>> All I had to do, was adding this line to /etc/fstab:
>>
>
> configure their hardware?, you must be joking!
> That's exactly the reason why inexpirienced Linux users dump Linux and buy
> Windows.
> In the real world, people have no time to spend hours surfing the web to get
> things done!
>
I can guarantee you that for every windows computer that has a problem,
either the problem is going untreated or *somebody* is searching the
internet for a solution -- if not the user himself, then someone paid
by the user (or by the user's boss). And my experience with the MS
Knowledge Base is enough to convince me that Granny and Joe Sixpack are
not going to suffer through the often multi-page instructions replete
with reboots and logins to "recovery consoles" and whatnot, so get off
your high horse about Windoze ease-of-use. Windoze is a nightmare of
frustration when things go wrong. This is why MS whores can earn a
living doing nothing but repairing Windoze for normal people who
can't be bothered to futz around with that crapware.
owl
> ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Last week Clogwog wrote this story: "Good news: ML2MST - Marti van Lin -
>> moves to Windows XP and Vista".
>>
>> He based this on a message I left in a Windows Vista NG.
>>
>> However I've got this Webcam finally to work under Ubuntu GNU/Linux 8.10
>> (Inteprid Ibex).
>>
>> All I had to do, was adding this line to /etc/fstab:
>>
>> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>
>
> Yup. Granny Marti would love going to root to edit fstab and mounting
> that. I'm pretty familiar with fstab and I have zero idea (without
> googling and referencing to the info page) what that even begins to do.
>
Since you're a k3rn3l ha><0r, this should clear it up for you:
struct fstab
{
char *fs_spec; /* block special device name */
char *fs_file; /* file system path prefix */
char *fs_vfstype; /* File system type, ufs, nfs */
char *fs_mntops; /* Mount options ala -o */
const char *fs_type; /* FSTAB_* from fs_mntops */
int fs_freq; /* dump frequency, in days */
int fs_passno; /* pass number on parallel dump
*/
};
ml2mst
No, I'm saying that if you where as knowledgeable as you claim you are,
you would have sooner or later find at least a work around too.
>> Fine Hadron. Simply use Google to fix your HW issues, like I did and you
>> will be able to solve them your self.
>>
>> Clean up your ass yourself. I'm not your mommy nor your nanny.
>>
>> Grow up!
>
> You totally miss the point.
>
> Let me make it clear:
>
> Ubuntu did NOT work with that web cam.
Correct.
> You googled a "solution" which you do NOT understand.
What do I don't understand? I explained it to you for crying out loud.
> The ramifications of that are massive a few months down the line when
> that mount statement in fstab clashes with other fixes.
>
> YOU state that the USB subsystem is broken. Not me. You.
Nor me, I found this in a mailing list post.
I remember now that the issue was actually getting USB to work under
VirtualBox.
I digged up the forum post for you:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6058465&postcount=2
Since this worked, I gave the webcam another chance and it works.
So problem solved, can we please move on now?
> You entirely miss the importance of the "tape and glue" nature of your
> fix and the distro hell implications.
Shore Hadron, if you say so :-)
ml2mst
Oh, now you'll have to give a full "in depth" explanation :-)
Cheers
ml2mst
> "ml2mst" <ml2...@gmail.com> schreef in berichtnews:gg5m0k$8qr$1...@news.albasani.net...
>
> > moves to Windows XP and Vista".
>
> > He based this on a message I left in a Windows Vista NG.
>
> > However I've got this Webcam finally to work under Ubuntu GNU/Linux 8.10
> > (Inteprid Ibex).
>
> > All I had to do, was adding this line to /etc/fstab:
>
> > none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>
> configure their hardware?, you must be joking!
As a matter of fact: yes I do, I see it *every day* on Ubuntu forums.
Most of the time it's nothing but a matter of copying the code from
the Ubuntu forum post and pasting it into a xterminal window (the
equivalent of cmd on Windows).
> That's exactly the reason why inexpirienced Linux users dump Linux and buy
> Windows.
No, they dump GNU/Linux because they are too lazy and ignorant to
teach themselves something new.
> In the real world, people have no time to spend hours surfing the web to get
> things done!
In that case they should dump Windows as well, because it's even less
user-friendly. Think about the lack of package management. Or getting
Windows to work on a second hand box with no drivers available.
Windows is only popular because it comes pre-installed on most PC's.
Many people don't have the slightest clue what on earth they are
doing. For Average Joe Sixpack, the Windows registry is a mystery as
well.
[ the rest snipped]
William Poaster
And you're surprised that he can't?
Sinister Midget
No. But what's surprising is *he* seems to think nobody has figured out
that he doesn't know anything.
--
Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff.
-- Frank Zappa
William Poaster
In spite of what Quack believes, he's too stupid to realise that.
Interesting to note that when he doesn't get the answer he wants, the
troll rants. It's almost like he's phishing for an answer...
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> You entirely miss the importance of the "tape and glue" nature of your
>> fix and the distro hell implications.
>
> Shore Hadron, if you say so :-)
He's been hitting that one pretty hard all along: the idea that anyone who
updates any Debian system file manually will experience hell later. I smell
FUD.
I've been doing that since I started using Debian (in its "Potato"
incarnation), and guess what? No such issues. Why? Because I know what
the hell I am doing, thanks to a lot of research and tinkering.
In fact, that is the exact reason I finally dropped Red Hat in favor of
Debian full-time -- it is much easier to tweak Debian manually than it is to
tweak RedHat.
Hadron must think we have the mentality of consumer Windows users.
--
Stult's Report:
Our problems are mostly behind us. What we have to do now is
fight the solutions.
Clogwog
news:1wrx2d8r...@this.domain.or.that...
> ml2mst wrote:
>
>> Clean up your ass yourself.
>
> He's got Flatfarb and DFS to do that for him.
What is it with you COLA turds that you write these ass obsessed rants in a
usenet message, huh!, you freak-faced lamer.
Hadron
What I find amazing about that little exchange is that Marti thinks I am
looking for his help. I am not. There are issues with the webcam. I
accept that - It's frustrating but one can find ways. He has missed my
entire point about the fix he has applied. He has no clue WHY he did
what he had to do. He just explains WHAT he did (change mode etc - all
well and good but WHY?!?!).
--
"Maybe you can buy a Saturday Night Special and blow your POS brains out."
-- Rick <no...@nomail.com> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Tattoo Vampire
> What is it with you COLA turds that you write these ass obsessed rants in a
> usenet message, huh!, you freak-faced lamer.
Go to hell, you stupid little wretch.
--
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[tv]
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...Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to?
Tattoo Vampire
> What I find amazing about that little exchange is that Marti thinks I am
> looking for his help. I am not. There are issues with the webcam. I
> accept that - It's frustrating but one can find ways. He has missed my
> entire point about the fix he has applied. He has no clue WHY he did
> what he had to do. He just explains WHAT he did (change mode etc - all
> well and good but WHY?!?!).
Can't you read, Quack?
--
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[tv]
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to?
William Poaster
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> What I find amazing about that little exchange is that Marti thinks I am
>> looking for his help. I am not. There are issues with the webcam. I
>> accept that - It's frustrating but one can find ways. He has missed my
>> entire point about the fix he has applied. He has no clue WHY he did
>> what he had to do. He just explains WHAT he did (change mode etc - all
>> well and good but WHY?!?!).
>
> Can't you read, Quack?
If the troll can, he can't understand *what* he reads.
High Plains Thumper
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Pukkelpenis, Gradus Kanusmans, Berend van het Aarshouweel,
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Arie Drollenboer, Wullum Droogkloot, Peer van der Berigheid,
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Keutelenhof, Querinus van der Tiethuyzen, Gezinus den
Sluitspierbeul, Dingeman Sneerbakkus and others schreef:
> "Tattoo Vampire" schreef...
>> ml2mst wrote:
>>
>>> Clean up your ass yourself.
>>
>> He's got Flatfarb and DFS to do that for him.
>
> What is it with you COLA turds that you write these ass
> obsessed rants in a usenet message, huh!, you freak-faced
> lamer.
From the very one who puts the following as a sig:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2789128c8582abf9
[quote]
Flame me all you want.
fuck off, piss off, piss on you, stick it, stuff it, shove it,
ram it, jam it, cram it, sit on it, get laid, get in, get off,
get it on, get it up, mother fucker, cock sucker, old fart, fart
face, fart sniffer, cocksman, scatfan, asshole, peckerhead,
scumbag, fuck up, fuck off, ball breaker, ball buster, a real
pisser, cock teaser, cuntslapper, ass kisser, brown nose,
shitass, shit heel, douchebag, motherstrapalonian, fuck trophy,
cunt nugget, fleshloaf, cunt dropping, walking sperm,
infestation, anklebiter, booger-eater, bratzilla, crib lizard,
crotchcricket, crotchfruit, crumbcruncher, crumb grinder,
fartling, floormonster, goldensprog, hell spawn, kinderwhore,
nipplecrunchers, nose miner, pussfruit, shit factory, sperm 'n
egg omlette, sproglodyte, snotmonster.
[/quote]
--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
ml2mst
> "Clogwog" <BWAHA...@BWAHAHAHAAA.LOL> writes:
>
>> "Tattoo Vampire" <sit...@this.computer> schreef in bericht
>> news:1wrx2d8r...@this.domain.or.that...
>>> ml2mst wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clean up your ass yourself.
>>> He's got Flatfarb and DFS to do that for him.
>> What is it with you COLA turds that you write these ass obsessed rants
>> in a usenet message, huh!, you freak-faced lamer.
>>
>
> What I find amazing about that little exchange is that Marti thinks I am
> looking for his help. I am not. There are issues with the webcam. I
> accept that - It's frustrating but one can find ways. He has missed my
> entire point about the fix he has applied. He has no clue WHY he did
> what he had to do. He just explains WHAT he did (change mode etc - all
> well and good but WHY?!?!).
I explained that as well.
Now Piss of Hadron. It's no use discussing *anything* with you, no
matter how one explains something, you simply don't seem to gasp it.
I don't have the time nor patience for this. If you simply ignore what I
write, then shove it up yours.
ml2mst
Also his nyms are full of genitals, breasts, rectums, piss and poop. A
12 year old would call it childish.
ml2mst
> After takin' a swig o' grog, ml2mst belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> You entirely miss the importance of the "tape and glue" nature of your
>>> fix and the distro hell implications.
>> Shore Hadron, if you say so :-)
>
> He's been hitting that one pretty hard all along: the idea that anyone who
> updates any Debian system file manually will experience hell later. I smell
> FUD.
And ignorance.
> I've been doing that since I started using Debian (in its "Potato"
> incarnation), and guess what? No such issues. Why? Because I know what
> the hell I am doing, thanks to a lot of research and tinkering.
I remember Debian 2.0 "Potato" well, it was the first Debian I've ever
installed. I remember it well because it was my first .deb based distro,
until then I was used to RPM (SuSE 6.x) and tar.gz (Slackware 3.x). This
is when I realized that all distro's in fact "under the hoot" are all
the same. It's GNU + Linux, besides different package systems and the
GUI paint job.
> In fact, that is the exact reason I finally dropped Red Hat in favor of
> Debian full-time -- it is much easier to tweak Debian manually than it is to
> tweak RedHat.
I agree, since I use Debian and deviates, I favor them as production
systems. I still like to fiddle around with RPM distro's for fun (just
out of curacy) but as a main production system I avoid RPM as the plague.
> Hadron must think we have the mentality of consumer Windows users.
Interesting, I never looked that way at Hadron.
He ridicules posters who have educated their selves. For example I
remember that he freaked out again, a couple of weeks ago, when I wrote
that I configured and compiled Linux 2.2.x for my Baycom SER12 MODEM.
http://medialab.freaknet.org/pub/linux/radioascolto/radioascolto/hdlc.txt
With all his whining and ridiculing posters, that achieve something
which Hadron can't, he exposes his own lack of knowledge continually.
His only goal is to make his opponents feel as insecure about them
selves as he is.
The only thing Hadron has achieved in this treat is that I feel my self
superior to Hadron, which is bad :-(
Cheers
ml2mst
> On 2008-11-22, ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> claimed:
>> On 21 nov, 09:37, Hadron <hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>>> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1000,devmode=664 0 0
>>> All you had to do?
>
>>> Yup. Granny Marti would love going to root to edit fstab and mounting
>>> that. I'm pretty familiar with fstab and I have zero idea (without
>>> googling and referencing to the info page) what that even begins to do.
>
>>> Be honest Marti - that's simply ridiculous at this stage.
>> The only thing ridiculous here is someone who's claiming to be an
>> fstab magician but does not seem to get the simplicity of it.
>
> Ah. A new resume enhancement: fstab magician.
>
> I thought Quack knew all things linux. His implications seem to be such
> that that's what we are to believe. You know, kernel hacker, chairman
> of the Linux Culling Committee and all that other stuff that qualifies
> him to comment on linux, direct people on what is and isn't right and
> proper, talk ad infinitum about the quality and usefulness of certain
> items, etc. If anyone should know all about proc, Quirk should be the
> one (according to his claims of knowing so much).
Bwahahaha, /me thinks Quack has no feet left.
Hadron
There is no bwahahah. I am not pretending to know anything. In fact, you
dumbarse, this whole thread is me putting my hand up and saying "I dont
understand that hack, please explain it". Something you have singularly
failed to do. I suspect this "hack" makes you feel "+o+a11j 31337" a bit
like your bold statement about being "familiar with mounting swap".
But as usual in COLA, never let facts get in the way of a good froth.
So lets recap to underline your fanboy stupidity shall we?
You post a fix.
A fix that may or may not have cuered your problem
You state its Ubuntu, certain version only.
I state I am familiar with fstab and dont understand that line.
You call me a fstab "magician" and then totally fail to explain WHY it
fixes your issues.
In other words you have zero idea why its now working or why this is
Ubuntu specific. I suspect you would say "basically" a lot too.
--
"Are Linux systems perfect. Uh, no."
Tattoo Vampire
> I am not pretending to know anything.
That's good, because you wouldn't fool anyone, you clueless toad.
--
Regards,
[tv]
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...It ain't over, but the fat lady is clearing her throat.
High Plains Thumper
A rather sad indictment, this troll has a mind full of the dregs
of the earth, posting advocate personal information without
respect toward an individual's dignity nor respect toward the
law, no respect for Usenet etiquette. Then it usually puts a
clanger related to the greatness of Microsoft products.
After observing these trolls in c.o.l.advocacy for several years,
I have come to the following conclusion based on their posts.
They have one common agenda, to glorify the Microsoft operating
system, Microsoft software products and products that operate on
Microsoft systems in a Linux advocacy group, whilst denigrating
Linux and any product, event or persona related to the Linux
operating system.
They will do anything to effect defeat in Linux advocacy,
including posting advocate personal information, using ad hominem
attacks against the posters and article writers that advocates
post, blatantly post anything that can be possibly determined as
negative or derogatory toward Linux even though many of such
posts are taken severely out of context. They accuse advocates
of the very things that they are guilty of.
They are a religion unto themselves. It is very obvious that
they communicate amongst each other in private. Their motives
for carrying on such diatribes are obvious. It is not hard to
imagine what would drive such to a religious fervency. Normal
people would not have such motives, they have better things to
do. Monetary incentives or threats to their livelihood
(employment) make people do strange things.
It is fortunate that the truth manages to evidence itself. The
courts have revealed Microsoft's predatory monopoly practises.
The courts have made public documents that reflect the immoral
nature of Microsoft management. Bloggers have assisted to keep
these documents alive, of which some have been withdrawn after
closing of a court case.
One document that is rather indicting is the Microsoft Evangelism
document, reference Comes vs Microsoft court case:
http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf
PDF page 45: [quote] During the mopping-up phase, ensure that the
enemy technology is routed. Use the press, the Internet, etc. to
heighten the impression that the enemy is desperate, demoralized,
defeated, deceased. [/quote]
PDF page 55: [quote] In the Mopping Up phase, Evangelism's goal
is to put the final nail into the competing technology's coffin,
and bury it in the burning depths of the earth.
Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with
mental deficiency, as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter
Bunny, and OS/2." Just keep rubbing it in, via the press,
analysts, newsgroups, whatever.
^^^^^^^^^^
make the complete failure of the competition's technology part of
the mythology of the computer industry. [/quote]
--
HPT
William Poaster
Actually I would say that Hadron Quack *has* the mentality of a Windows
user, & IMO it *shows*. The troll actually posted that he is <quote> a
long term windows users & programmer <unquote>
(Message-ID:<87y7hxd...@googlemail.com>), but even without that, it
should be fairly obvious to anyone who's used Linux for any length of time
that *he cannot* adapt to Linux. He's got the "MicroSoft Prisoner
Mentality"
> He ridicules posters who have educated their selves. For example I
> remember that he freaked out again, a couple of weeks ago, when I wrote
> that I configured and compiled Linux 2.2.x for my Baycom SER12 MODEM.
>
> http://medialab.freaknet.org/pub/linux/radioascolto/radioascolto/hdlc.txt
>
> With all his whining and ridiculing posters, that achieve something which
> Hadron can't, he exposes his own lack of knowledge continually. His only
> goal is to make his opponents feel as insecure about them selves as he is.
Which doesn't work. He's insanely jealous of anyone who knows more than
*him* (& most *do*), or anyone with qualifications.
> The only thing Hadron has achieved in this treat is that I feel my self
> superior to Hadron, which is bad :-(
>
> Cheers
I wouldn't worry to much about feeling superior to a self-admitted troll.
High Plains Thumper
> ml2mst writes:
>> Sinister Midget wrote:
>>
>>> I thought Quac[^hr]k knew all things Linux. His
>>> believe. You know, kernel hacker, chairman of the Linux
>>> Culling Committee and all that other stuff that qualifies
>>> quality and usefulness of certain items, etc. If anyone
>>
>
> There is no bwahahah. I am not pretending to know anything. In
> fact, you dumbarse, this whole thread is me putting my hand
> this "hack" makes you feel "+o+a11j 31337" a bit like your
> bold statement about being "familiar with mounting swap".
>
> But as usual in COLA, never let facts get in the way of a good
> froth. So lets recap to underline your fanboy stupidity shall
> we?
>
> WHY it fixes your issues.
>
> In other words you have zero idea why its now working or why
> this is Ubuntu specific. I suspect you would say "basically" a
> lot too.
Indeed, way to go "true Linux advocate", "Linux security
magnate", "software QA consultant", "Usenet etiquette
provocateur", "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs
user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk
server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
"hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka
Richard, aka Damian O'Leary, aka Steve Townsend.
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:18:21 -0600
Subject: Re: [linux-equivalents] TuxGuitar
TomB wrote:
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Java in debian is f*cked up. I suspect the Debian tuxguitar
>> installer has broken something.
>>
>> But were you using the debian install or the downloaded
>> version? Be clear now.
>
> Ah, the Debian one over here.
Synaptic:
[quote]
Mark additional changes?
v To be installed
libtext-java
libswt3.2-gtk-java
libswt3.2-gtk-jni
[X Cancel] [V Mark]
[/quote]
Tuxguitar installed and runs fine, no crashes, no error messages.
Perhaps if our diminutive atomic sub particle had properly
installed it per directions, it would have worked without error.
Hadron
I was. Your point is? It means I know what I am talking about. Unlike
you. Willy Poaster is synonymous with cluelessness in this group.
ml2mst
Oh my, he's already a "newsreader magician", so I purpose "fstab wizard"
to the resume.
> http://tinyurl.com/6mbvx5
>
> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:18:21 -0600
> Subject: Re: [linux-equivalents] TuxGuitar
>
> TomB wrote:
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> Java in debian is f*cked up. I suspect the Debian tuxguitar installer
>>> has broken something.
>>>
>>> But were you using the debian install or the downloaded version? Be
>>> clear now.
>>
>> Ah, the Debian one over here.
>
> Synaptic:
>
> [quote]
> Mark additional changes?
>
> v To be installed
> libtext-java
> libswt3.2-gtk-java
> libswt3.2-gtk-jni
>
> [X Cancel] [V Mark]
> [/quote]
>
> Tuxguitar installed and runs fine, no crashes, no error messages.
> Perhaps if our diminutive atomic sub particle had properly
> installed it per directions, it would have worked without error.
> [/quote]
Cheers
Hadron
> High Plains Thumper schreef:
>> Indeed, way to go "true Linux advocate", "Linux security
>> magnate", "software QA consultant", "Usenet etiquette
>> provocateur", "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs
>> user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk
>> server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
>> "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
>> culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka
>> Richard, aka Damian O'Leary, aka Steve Townsend.
>
> Oh my, he's already a "newsreader magician", so I purpose "fstab wizard"
> to the resume.
Newsreader magician? I use probably the most powerful newsreader there
is and have heavily customised it. Magician? No. Competent with it? Yes.
More COLA lies and decpetion and rewriting of history by "AA Maven",
closed source Windows software programmer and "64 bit memory usage
expert" Peter Koehlmann no doubt.
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6mbvx5
>>
>> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:18:21 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [linux-equivalents] TuxGuitar
>>
>> TomB wrote:
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Java in debian is f*cked up. I suspect the Debian tuxguitar installer
>>>> has broken something.
>>>>
>>>> But were you using the debian install or the downloaded version? Be
>>>> clear now.
>>>
>>> Ah, the Debian one over here.
>>
>> Synaptic:
>>
>> [quote]
>> Mark additional changes?
>>
>> v To be installed
>> libtext-java
>> libswt3.2-gtk-java
>> libswt3.2-gtk-jni
>>
>> [X Cancel] [V Mark]
>> [/quote]
>>
>> Tuxguitar installed and runs fine, no crashes, no error messages.
>> Perhaps if our diminutive atomic sub particle had properly
>> installed it per directions, it would have worked without error.
>> [/quote]
>
> Cheers
Cheers for what? For being told lies?
Please browse the following links for some clarification:
When you have be a man enough to apologise. I know you won't which is a
shame as I had hope you had broken away from the morons and had an
independent view of Linux, OSS and their uptake.
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| #
| Tuxguitar on Debian Lenny - LinuxQuestions.org
| 6 posts - Last post: 15 Dec 2007
| Im having some problems installing Tuxguitar on my Debian Lenny desktop. ... jouke@JupilerPC01:~$ sudo apt-get install libswt-gtk-3.2-java ...
| www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/tuxguitar-on-debian-lenny-606338/ - 54k - Cached - Similar pages
| #
| #466038 - tuxguitar: java exception error on program start-up ...
| Debian Bug report logs - #466038 tuxguitar: java exception error on ... for this trouble maybe you can try : aptitude install sun-java6-jre (I'll have to ...
| bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=466038 - 15k - Cached - Similar pages
| #
| #443783 - RM: dguitar -- RoQA; few users, deprecated by tux-guitar ...
| If you have further comments please address them to 443...@bugs.debian.org. This message was generated automatically; if you believe that there is a problem ...
| bugs.debian.org/443783 - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
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| TuxGuitar Forums: Debian package :: TuxGuitar
| So the ubuntu package will install without problems on your debian.. but if you don't modify the /usr/bin/tuxguitar script, it'll not work. ...
| www.tuxguitar.com.ar/forum/6/524/debian-package/ - 13k - Cached - Similar pages
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| TuxGuitar Forums: Tuxguitar doesn't work in Debian anymore ...
| Tuxguitar doesn't work in Debian anymore. Post Reply Post New Topic ... so, we' ll fix that dependency problem. for the moment you can install the tar.gz ...
| tuxguitar.com.ar/forum_posts.html?fid=3&tid=79&view=NEW - 17k - Cached - Similar pages
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| can you tell how to tune this ? -- http://rzr.onlin ... Topic: Tuxguitar install problems ... Topic: why is tuxguitar alsa plugin not in Debian? ...
| forums.debian.net/search.php?search_author=rzr&sid=e361a0b98ab445ba68173ec5acf83031 - 37k - Cached - Similar pages
| #
| Bug #212207 in tuxguitar (Ubuntu): “TuxGuitar cannot find Java”
| You are not the bug assignee nor the maintainer of tuxguitar (Debian), and therefore cannot ... I am able to run TuxGuitar but first I must manually install ...
| https://launchpad.net/bugs/212207 - 57k - Cached - Similar pages
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| Bug#493557: [tuxguitar] Unknown Mozilla path (MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME ...
| 2 posts - 2 authors - Last post: 6 Aug
| And when i quit tuxguitar i show this on the terminal : ... 500 unstable ftp.fr. debian.org 500 testing download.tuxfamily.org ...
| groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/ce25e92c90fa0b07 - 49k - Cached - Similar pages
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| [SOLVED] Problemes amb TuxGuitar - Ubuntu Forums
| 10 posts - 6 authors - Last post: 27 May
| I al probar d'instal·lar el TuxGuitar... Code:. litus@mayolets-desktop:~$ sudo aptitude install libitext-java libswt3.2-gtk-java ...
| ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=775550 - 100k - Cached - Similar pages
`----
--
"Well stop covering your monitor in spunk over it then and piss off to
a pro windows group. The more you tantrum here, the more obvious it is
that linux *does* bother you."
-- "Phil Da Lick!" <phil_t...@REMOVETHISSPAMTRAP.hotmail.com> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
owl
up your meds
you are insane
your point is
sh document
real world
market share