Grr. Wimbledon not Linux friendly.
Hadron
http://wimbledon.mediazone.com/other/support.html
System Requirements
The minimum requirements for MediaZone are:
* Windows OS: XP (Preferred) or Vista - Unfortunately Apple MAC and Linux is not supported. This is due to the digital rights management and sharing technology used.
* Internet Explorer 6.0 or higher with cookies enabled (default setting) and security settings set to "medium"
* Windows Media Player 10 or 11
* For Streaming: Broadband connection (Speed of 550 kbps or higher)
* Dialup connection is not recommended for this higher bandwidth offering.
* System clock set to the correct time zone, date, and time
--
"Do a screen-shot of a text. Now disable anti-aliasing. Do again screen-shot of same text. Compare both. They are exactly the same."
Peter Koehlmann, COLA, explaining Anti Aliasing ....
http://tinyurl.com/33672q
Tattoo Vampire
[...]
--
Regards,
[tv]
...O_O O_O (_) --Mickey & Minnie meet Satan.
Owner/Proprietor, Cheesus Crust Pizza Company
Good to the last supper
Hadron
> Hadron wrote:
>
> [...]
More wonderful contribution from the somewhat freakish Tattoo
Vampire. Still, at least he didn't talk about reaming out arses for a
change. Very strange, individual.
--
The "XP could sink Microsoft" thread his an absolute gem. You'd think
these advocates were related to Nostradamus!
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy
Tattoo Vampire
[blah]
And once again you responded.
I control you, Quack.
--
Regards,
[tv]
...He who laughs last...had to have it explained.
Hadron
> Hadron chirped feebly:
>
> [blah]
>
> And once again you responded.
>
> I control you, Quack.
Au contraire. I merely bat your thrown faeces straight back into your
lying, corrupt face. I wonder why you even pretend to use Linux - you
are clearly clueless about anything to do with it. The fact that you
cosy up to 7 and High Plains Hypocrite says a lot about your
cluelessness.
--
"At BT Global, our crown jewels are the services we supply to our
customers. With jNetX we own the intellectual property for our
services, allowing us to evolve the services as and when required."
Mark Kent,Head of Technology Strategy,COLA Hypocrite
Hans
news:g4r5p1$ljr$2...@registered.motzarella.org...
> Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> writes:
>
>> Hadron chirped feebly:
>>
>> [blah]
>>
>> And once again you responded.
>>
>> I control you, Quack.
>
> Au contraire. I merely bat your thrown faeces straight back into your
> lying, corrupt face. I wonder why you even pretend to use Linux - you
> are clearly clueless about anything to do with it. The fact that you
> cosy up to 7 and High Plains Hypocrite
Marti seems to be in love with "Don", it might be mutual!
http://groups.google.nl/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/71872630895aca2f?hl=nl&dmode=source&output=gplain
"Don is yet another good looking dude"
Tattoo Vampire
> Au contraire. I merely bat your thrown faeces straight back into your
> lying, corrupt face. I wonder why you even pretend to use Linux - you
> are clearly clueless about anything to do with it. The fact that you
> cosy up to 7 and High Plains Hypocrite says a lot about your
> cluelessness.
I use PCLinuxOS, chump. Choke on that fact.
--
Regards,
[tv]
...I'm heavily armed, easily bored, and off my medication.
RonB
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Au contraire. I merely bat your thrown faeces straight back into your
>> lying, corrupt face. I wonder why you even pretend to use Linux - you
>> are clearly clueless about anything to do with it. The fact that you
>> cosy up to 7 and High Plains Hypocrite says a lot about your
>> cluelessness.
>
> I use PCLinuxOS, chump. Choke on that fact.
Geeze, killfile the ass. He just keeps repeating his made up "reality" over
and over (like a mantra), pretending what he writes is somehow related with
the real world.
I'm not a hacker or a programmer. I just use Linux on the Desktop for the
same things I used to use for Windows for. It's that simple.
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
High Plains Thumper
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> into your lying, corrupt face. I wonder why you even pretend
>> to use Linux - you are clearly clueless about anything to do
>> with it. The fact that you cosy up to 7 and High Plains
>> Hypocrite says a lot about your cluelessness.
>
> I use PCLinuxOS, chump. Choke on that fact.
Expect nothing factual from Hadron. He's a howler.
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm
--
HPT
Moshe Goldfarb.
> http://wimbledon.mediazone.com/other/support.html
>
> System Requirements
> The minimum requirements for MediaZone are:
>
> * Windows OS: XP (Preferred) or Vista - Unfortunately Apple MAC and Linux is not supported. This is due to the digital rights management and sharing technology used.
> * Internet Explorer 6.0 or higher with cookies enabled (default setting) and security settings set to "medium"
> * Windows Media Player 10 or 11
> * For Streaming: Broadband connection (Speed of 550 kbps or higher)
> * Dialup connection is not recommended for this higher bandwidth offering.
> * System clock set to the correct time zone, date, and time
Welcome to the real world.
Linux need not apply.....
Great sig BTW!!!
"Do a screen-shot of a text. Now disable anti-aliasing. Do again
screen-shot of same text. Compare both. They are exactly the same."
Peter Kohlmann, COLA, explaining
Anti Aliasing ....
http://tinyurl.com/33672q
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
High Plains Thumper
> Hadron gegild als een meisje...
>
>> Au contraire. I merely bat your thrown faeces straight back
>> into your lying, corrupt face. I wonder why you even pretend
>> to use Linux - you are clearly clueless about anything to do
>> with it. The fact that you cosy up to 7 and High Plains
>> Hypocrite
>
>
> http://groups.google.nl/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/71872630895aca2f?hl=nl&dmode=source&output=gplain
Goed vind!
[quote]
And Hadron, there is no use to reply, because I have "censured"
you and your fellow Microsoft funded astroturfers again.
[/quote]
--
HPT
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>
> More wonderful contribution from the somewhat freakish Tattoo
> Vampire. Still, at least he didn't talk about reaming out arses for a
> change. Very strange, individual.
I think "Lilly" likes you :)
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Hadron chirped feebly:
>
> [blah]
>
> And once again you responded.
>
> I control you, Quack.
You seem incapable of controlling your own bowels Tattoo Vampire.
Moshe Goldfarb.
> And Hadron, there is no use to reply, because I have "censured"
> you and your fellow Microsoft funded astroturfers again.
> [/quote]
Translation, High Plains Thumper has been caught nymshifting again.
High Plains Thumper
> Geeze, killfile the ass. He just keeps repeating his made up
> "reality" over and over
.... like I am you and you are me? (high sense of illiteracy,
strange ....)
> (like a mantra), pretending what he writes is somehow related
> with the real world.
His reference to tossing invective is just that.
> I'm not a hacker or a programmer. I just use Linux on the
> Desktop for the same things I used to use for Windows for.
> It's that simple.
One doesn't have to be a software engineer to use Linux.
--
HPT
Tattoo Vampire
> Expect nothing factual from Hadron. He's a howler.
>
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm
That's our Quack, all right.
--
Regards,
[tv]
...It it ain't broke, let me have a shot at it.
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Hans (clogwog) schreef:
>>> Hadron gegild als een meisje...
>>>
>>>> even pretend to use Linux - you are clearly clueless
>>>> about anything to do with it. The fact that you cosy up
>>>> to 7 and High Plains Hypocrite
>>>
>>> [Schrap sleeplijn razen en tieren.]
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.nl/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/71872630895aca2f?hl=nl&dmode=source&output=gplain
>>
>> Goed vind!
>>
>> "censured" you and your fellow Microsoft funded
>> astroturfers again. [/quote]
>
> Translation, High Plains Thumper has been caught nymshifting
> again.
Again, the troll spouts off his mouth, illustrating his gross
stupidity and lack of facts. All this from Abbie Diaz,
achmed.jones, Aftab Singh, Allen Cusimano, Allie Perkins, Allison
Juergans, allison_hunt1969, Alicia Hunt, Ana Thema,
andyschipowitz, Anna Banger,
<300+ nyms snipped. Read about it from
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html >
wendy, Wendy Duzz, Wendy Toiletwater, Whizzer, Wilbur J, willy
watkins jr, Willy Wong, wiltons_pypes, Winnie Septos,
wizard.shot, wm_walsh, Wobbles, wylbur.horseman, Yanick Schmuley
and zyklon_C. Plus many, many, many more.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/6730814c5e360ebc?
[quote]
From: m...@cosmicpenguin.com (Mark S Bilk)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:18:57 GMT
Local: Fri, Nov 23 2001 5:18 am
Subject: IT DOESN'T MATTER IF GARY "FLATFISH" STEWART HAS
USED LINUX
Gary M. Stewart, aka (lately) "flatfish", "spanny_davis",
"Fawn Lebowitz", etc., has been posting _lying_ propaganda
about Linux for several years. Almost everything derogatory
he writes that can be checked turns out to be wrong. The
programs that he says don't work perform just fine for
everybody else. Add the fact that he's used about sixty
different false identities, and lied about those, too, and
you reach the inescapable conclusion that _nothing_ he says
can be trusted.
It doesn't make any difference whether he's actually used
Linux and is telling lies about it, or if he's also lying
about having used it. His negative claims about it are
still untrue. It doesn't matter that he posted once using
knode; he's still lying about all the serious problems he
claims to have, that nobody else has, or that can easily be
fixed. The same reasoning holds for Pete Goodwin. After
these people have been caught telling so many verifiable
lies, nothing they say should _ever_ be believed.
Their use or non-use of Linux is a red herring that they've
recently introduced. They're saying (implicitly) that since
they've actually used the system, they are therefore telling
the truth in their unprovable reports of failures. That
just doesn't make any logical sense.
These people, and the dozen or so others that have posted
thousands of lies about Linux over periods of a year or
more, are either mentally ill, or have livelihoods that
depend on MS-Windows, or are (were) being paid to post the
lies, almost certainly by Microsoft, which considers Linux
to be the greatest threat facing it:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22770.html
Incidentally, many thanks, mjcr, for your superb detective
work in identifying Gary M. Stewart as the person behind the
multiple false identities. From his extremely angry
reaction, it's clear that you're right on target!
[/quote]
--
HPT
Tattoo Vampire
> One doesn't have to be a software engineer to use Linux.
But one does need a brain, which could explain why Hadron's attempts to use
it have been miserable failures (according to him).
--
Regards,
[tv]
...Math problems? Call 1-800-10x*(24y-3z^2)-(4y^2+10x^2)
Rick
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:20:15 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> http://wimbledon.mediazone.com/other/support.html
>>
>> System Requirements
>> The minimum requirements for MediaZone are:
>>
>> * Windows OS: XP (Preferred) or Vista - Unfortunately Apple MAC and
>> Linux is not supported. This is due to the digital rights
>> management and sharing technology used. * Internet Explorer 6.0 or
>> higher with cookies enabled (default setting) and security settings
>> set to "medium" * Windows Media Player 10 or 11
>> * For Streaming: Broadband connection (Speed of 550 kbps or higher)
>> * Dialup connection is not recommended for this higher bandwidth
>> offering. * System clock set to the correct time zone, date, and
>> time
>
> Welcome to the real world.
> Linux need not apply.....
*** Unfortunately Apple MAC and Linux is not supported. ***
So, by your logic, welcome to the real world, Apple and MAc need not
apply.
(snip)
--
Rick
raylopez99
<highplainsthum...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> Expect nothing factual from Hadron. He's a howler.
>
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm
No, that's you Thumper.
I would say Hadron is a dualist, who usually wins:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/duelists.htm
RL
raylopez99
<highplainsthum...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm
>
Check that, you're also a fanboy (note mention of LInux):
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/fanboy.htm
RL
Hadron
Sounds more like Rick.
"ANYONE can become a Fanboy, but the warning signs of an emerging Fanboy
are subtle and easily overlooked. For example, are you a little hasty to
defend Linux?"
David Moyer
> http://wimbledon.mediazone.com/other/support.html
>
> System Requirements
> The minimum requirements for MediaZone are:
>
> * Windows OS: XP (Preferred) or Vista - Unfortunately Apple MAC and Linux
> is not supported. This is due to the digital rights management and
> sharing technology used.
> * Internet Explorer 6.0 or higher with cookies enabled (default setting)
> and security settings set to "medium"
> * Windows Media Player 10 or 11
> * For Streaming: Broadband connection (Speed of 550 kbps or higher)
> * Dialup connection is not recommended for this higher bandwidth
> offering.
> * System clock set to the correct time zone, date, and time
works fine on OSX, just make sure Flip4Mac is installed and you are
golden.
I'm simply using Camino, Leopard on a stock MacBook Air.
DFS
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Au contraire. I merely bat your thrown faeces straight back into your
>> lying, corrupt face. I wonder why you even pretend to use Linux - you
>> are clearly clueless about anything to do with it. The fact that you
>> cosy up to 7 and High Plains Hypocrite says a lot about your
>> cluelessness.
>
> I use PCLinuxOS, chump. Choke on that fact.
What crapware distro did you force on your hapless victims at work?
Have you yanked the crap back out yet? I know they all asked you to get rid
of it.
Moshe Goldfarb.
> wendy, Wendy Duzz, Wendy Toiletwater,
I think you are a bit confused High Plains Humper....
You're the one who got caught posting as Wendy Toiletwater.
As for mjcr, he is a mental case:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/bc64c6e578019d77
"The FAQ and Primer for COLA will no longer be published. I do not want my
family endangered, so the document is being withdrawn the project is being
canceled and my other pro-Linux projects and efforts are also being
canceled. "
You *do realize* he (mjcr) gave away his true identity don't you?
I'm sure you do....
BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
BTW You claimed to have kill filed me along with the others.
Lying seems to be yet another bad trait of Linux advocates.
(It's like shooting humans in a barrel)
Moshe Goldfarb.
No doubt...
Linux doesn't last very long on the average person's desktop.
That's the reason why I suggested to Bill Gates that he include a free copy
of a Linux distribution with every box of Vista he sells.
The more people that try Linux, the more people will hate Linux.
Moshe Goldfarb.
Wrong again Rick....
Do some research..
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Expect nothing factual from Hadron. He's a howler.
>>
>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm
>
> No, that's you Thumper.
>
> I would say Hadron is a dualist, who usually wins:
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/duelists.htm
Oh yeah, here is the winner:
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/hadron-quark-troll.html
[quote]
Debian Stable is one of the most widely used distros for mission
critical applications and where one wants minimal impact to
production work. Very few require bleeding edge software to be
productive.
Yet Hadron insists that Debian Stable is full of bugs and too
backward for usage:
Subject: Re: [News] Sister OS to Linux, OS-X Has Better TCO than
Microsoft Windows
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:50:07 +0100
Message-ID: fr08c1$9e1$2...@registered.motzarella.org
[quote]
> Hadron has an apparent inability to recognise how more
> consistent usage of Debian Stable will only help his usage
> of the product, preferring unstable versions of Debian; if not
> for the only reason as an opportunity to attack Linux/OSS.
Once more for the hard of brain power : I use testing. Not
unstable. And I use it for a reason - Debian Stable is simply too
buggy and backward and I cant be arsed to manage pinning or
selectively monitoring backports.
[/quote]
> Same subject
> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:08:01 -0700 (PDT)
> Message-ID: <4caab1dd-05f9-4e57...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.131.215.150
>
> Raylopez99 lyingly stated that High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>
>> Well, I, HPT, am a howler.
>>
>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm
>
> Check that, you're also a fanboy (note mention of LInux):
Apparently you can't make up your mind, so here's you:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/bong.htm
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> One doesn't have to be a software engineer to use Linux.
>
> But one does need a brain, which could explain why Hadron's
> attempts to use it have been miserable failures (according to
> him).
That might explain it. He comes up with some of the wierdest
stuff; for example, Debian Stable is too buggy to use. It is not
the easiest distro to use, but it is preferred by many sysadmins
for its maturity and stability. Most don't need bleeding edge
software to be productive.
--
HPT
Rick
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:50:09 -0500, Rick wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:55:22 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:20:15 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://wimbledon.mediazone.com/other/support.html
>>>>
>>>> System Requirements
>>>> The minimum requirements for MediaZone are:
>>>>
>>>> * Windows OS: XP (Preferred) or Vista - Unfortunately Apple MAC
>>>> and Linux is not supported. This is due to the digital rights
>>>> management and sharing technology used. * Internet Explorer 6.0
>>>> or higher with cookies enabled (default setting) and security
>>>> settings set to "medium" * Windows Media Player 10 or 11 * For
>>>> Streaming: Broadband connection (Speed of 550 kbps or higher) *
>>>> Dialup connection is not recommended for this higher bandwidth
>>>> offering. * System clock set to the correct time zone, date, and
>>>> time
>>>
>>> Welcome to the real world.
>>> Linux need not apply.....
>>
>> *** Unfortunately Apple MAC and Linux is not supported. ***
>>
>> So, by your logic, welcome to the real world, Apple and MAc need not
>> apply.
>> (snip)
>
> Wrong again Rick....
> Do some research..
Read the post. You drew your conclusion from there. Read it.
--
Rick
High Plains Thumper
> got caught posting as Wendy Toiletwater.
[quote] The flatfish troll nyms shifts an extraordinary amount often using
the nyms as sock puppets. Here is a list of some of the nyms the flatfish
troll has used (NB: flatfish will often use the names of other posters as
nyms) [/quote]
> As for mjcr, he is a mental case:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/bc64c6e578019d77
>
> "The FAQ and Primer for COLA will no longer be published. I do not want
> my family endangered, so the document is being withdrawn the project is
> being canceled and my other pro-Linux projects and efforts are also being
> canceled. "
>
> You *do realize* he (mjcr) gave away his true identity don't you? I'm sure
> you do....
> BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
FAQ was completed and approved in April 2002. According to the thread,
MJCR received threats for posting the FAQ after that. Personally, I would
have not expressed my opinion on such a matter in public if it were to
happen to me. Instead, I would have sought out the law enforcement
authorities. Such are no laughing matter, personal threats of
physical harm or death against one's family and/or self are criminal.
However, you seem to have no sense of reasonable compassion or
understanding into respect of human dignity or societal rules, which
include the COLA Usenet Charter.
> BTW You claimed to have kill filed me along with the others. Lying seems
> to be yet another bad trait of Linux advocates.
No, rather it is you that is a habitual liar. You have an inability to
speak the truth. Many of the messages you post in this newsgroup have
little basis for truth.
I post on COLA through several different computer systems. Not all have
you or the other trolls kill filtered. Google Groups is not filtered. It
was then I found your lying trash about me, for posting items related to
Linux advocacy.
> (It's like shooting humans in a barrel)
There is no shooting of humans, as detestable as that might be.
--
HPT
Homer
> Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> http://wimbledon.mediazone.com/other/support.html
>>
>> System Requirements
>> The minimum requirements for MediaZone are:
>>
>> * Windows OS: XP [...]
>
> works fine on OSX, just make sure Flip4Mac is installed and you are
> golden.
>
> I'm simply using Camino, Leopard on a stock MacBook Air.
>
> http://caminobrowser.org/
>
> http://www.flip4mac.com/
And how do you play their encrypted WMV content without WMV DRM support,
as required by this file, for example:
[quote]
Microsoft makes Windows Media DRM technology available for Windows
operating systems and many device platforms. At this time, Microsoft has
no plans to offer Windows Media DRM support on the Macintosh.
[/quote]
http://www.flip4mac.com/knowledge/kb_0056.htm
Clearly Microsoft is abusing their Intellectual Monopoly to force
Wimbledon fans to run Windows against their will.
According to the Microsoft shills in COLA, this is a good thing.
--
K.
http://slated.org
.----
| "Stallman has frequently pointed out, Free Software is by no means
| antithetical to making money: it's just a question of how you make
| money." ~ Glyn Moody: http://tinyurl.com/4wn2l2 (ComputerworldUK)
`----
Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.23.8-63.fc8
07:39:35 up 199 days, 4:15, 3 users, load average: 6.28, 5.57, 5.38
William Poaster
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> One doesn't have to be a software engineer to use Linux.
>
> But one does need a brain, which could explain why Hadron's attempts to
> use it have been miserable failures (according to him).
That would also explain why DooFu$ & Flatfish etc, are miserable failures
when it comes to running GNU/Linux.
--
The little scamps! It's the oldest trick in the book: capture your ship,
turn it into a planet, then explore a macro universe in a laundry basket.
How could you fall for an old scam like that?
--Holly, Nanarchy - Red Dwarf--
High Plains Thumper
> Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>
>>> One doesn't have to be a software engineer to use Linux.
>>
>> But one does need a brain, which could explain why Hadron's
>> attempts to use it have been miserable failures (according
>> to him).
>
> That would also explain why DooFu$ & Flatfish etc, are
> miserable failures when it comes to running GNU/Linux.
It would be nice if things were that simple. After all, we have
been trained to be kind to dumb animals.
These distorted, taken out of context and untruthful postings of
Linux problems and insults toward advocacy posters have a
definite motivation behind them. Just as a criminal has a motive
in perpetrating his/her crime, so do these.
Just what motivates them has yet to be seen.
One thing is for sure. They have no respect for societal laws,
one of which is respect for the charter of this newsgroup and for
the decency of the people who post in this newsgroup.
In this regard, their behaviour is criminal.
--
HPT
Clogwog
bericht news:pan.2008.07.07....@invalid.invalid.com...
> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>>> Hans (clogwog) schreef:
>>>>>> Hadron gegild als een meisje...
>>>>>>
> COLA Usenet Charter.
Well here you have it Wendy, the one and only C.O.L.A. Newcomer FAQ and
Primer. You don't have to thank me, just GFIA!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+
+ C.O.L.A. Newcomer FAQ and Primer
+ Edition: 23 - 10/24/07
+ Group: comp.os.linux.advocacy
+
+ Copyright (c) 2002-2006 Linux Reality Team
+
+ PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS:
+
+ http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
+
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Welcome to comp.os.linux.advocacy, otherwise known as cola.
This FAQ will try to address most of the issues regarding Linux and
this group. Unlike the other FAQs, this one will try to be as
realistic as possible. If you want the straight information from
real people, continue reading. If you would like to be told what
you want to hear, or read a bunch of misinformation that you will
regret later as you find things don't work as they should, feel free
to read one of the other "FAQS" in here.
OK, on to the info! ADDED NEW SECTION BELOW!
Here's a list of some frequently asked and answered question here
and elsewhere that you may find useful in your quest to try linux.
Read these carefully before you decide to invest time in Linux, you
may find that you have better things you can do instead.
SECTION ONE - INSTALLATION
--------------------------
1.1 Q: I heard linux was easy to install, is it?
A: That depends on what distro you try. Most of them will have
trouble detecting all your hardware. Most new hardware devices
are not supported. If your lucky you might be able to find
something that someone threw together on the net. But that's
after spending a couple hours searching and probably won't take
advantage of your hardware to it's fullest capability.
1.2 Q: Once I get it installed, then what?
A: Then you get the joy of making sure everything is configured
right. Plan on a minimum of two hours per device to get it to
work. That's if the device is even supported.
1.3 Q: What happens if I'm in the middle of an install and the
installation freezes or just stops?
A: You get to reboot and start all over again. This happens
every so often with Linux. It seems like it's buggy install
routines or something. Ain't Linux grand?
1.4 Q: What's the deal?! I installed Linux and it took up almost 2GB
hard drive space!
A: The Linux distros usually install a LOT of never-used programs
on the default install. You can pick and choose what you want,
but good luck figuring out what programs are needed and what is
useless, obscure tools. Linux usually installs stuff like 10
different editors, 12 different mail clients, and so on.
(more to come...)
SECTION TWO - CONFIGURATION
---------------------------
2.1 Q: What's with all these cryptic files?
A: All of Linux is configured with cryptic text files. Some of
the more user-friendly distros have configuration utilities
that claim to do it for you, but success with these works
sometimes and other times don't, so sometimes you have to
edit them by hand. With Linux's spotty reliability in UI
programming, you might as well get used to it.
2.2 Q: What is killall, HUP, ls, cat, rm, which, etc and why are
these programs telling me to do them? Arggg!!
A: These are command line programs that do things within the
system. It's what makes Linux a powerful OS for those that
are experienced with it. But it's also what makes it a pain
in the arse to use and inefficient as a desktop system. Who
wants to type all the time when they can just click?!
(more to come...)
SECTION THREE - APPLICATIONS
----------------------------
3.1 Q: Where can I get some programs to run on linux?
A: Good question. Because Linux doesn't have a large user base
on the desktop,(I think it's about 0.24%, less than 1%)
companies that make software won't write their programs for
Linux. There's a lot of community created programs out there,
and some are fairly good, but those are few and far between.
Most of the Linux software that tries to mimic it's windows
counterpart is substandard. It's usually slow and buggy and
early in development.
3.2 Q: I tried to install an RPM but I got 'failed dependencies', what
is that?
A: That's Linux's version of DLL hell. Different versions and
distros use different libraries. So unlike windows where
programs will run on many different versions, Linux programs
will fail if they're not made for your specific version.
3.3 Q: What is compiling and configure, make and make install? And
what is a makefile?
A: This is a way to build the programs from the source code
under Linux. When the question above fails, you can always
build it yourself. The advantage is that it works most of
the time. The disadvantage is that it takes forever to build
large programs, you need to know some cryptic commands and
you have to do all this on a command line. Unlike Windows
where you just double click and you are done.
3.4 Q: Can I go to my local store to buy any Linux applications?
A: Not really. You can buy Linux itself at various stores. But
not too many commercial companies make applications for Linux,
there's no profit in it with 0.24% of the desktop market.
(more to come...)
SECTION FOUR - SPEED ISSUES
---------------------------
4.1 Q: Why is Linux so slow?
A: Linux is built on the technology of the old UNIX OS's. Even
the graphical user interface of Linux is a separate program that
is the same type they used back in the older UNIX days. So
working with old technology will give you the old technology
responsiveness. Also, a lot of the GUI's, although nice to look
at, are still not mature. Using them is slow and sluggish
compared to, say, Windows.
(more to come...)
SECTION FIVE - CONSISTENCY
--------------------------
5.1 Q: Why are the windows different looking?
A: Since Linux isn't built by one company, group or have any
governing body, programs and interfaces can vary dramatically.
You can have everything from the nice look of KDE, to something
as ugly as TK and everything in between. You'll usually see some
varying UI stile in Linux.
5.2 Q: Should I buy Suse Linux?
A: No. They make it difficult to get it for free. All the other
distros provide free ISO's to download. Suse is the only one
that doesn't provide them but instead has a FTP install that's
hard to get to work. Why should they make it easy? The more
people that can't get the download to work have to spend $80
or more for the boxed set. And on top of all that although
it might have a few more user friendly tools, it's still the
same base Linux system that's in development and that all the
other distros are using. In other words, they're all on about
the same level of struggling to catch up to Windows, so you're
not going to find any earth-shattering features in one compared
to another.
(more to come...)
SECTION SIX - LINUX COMMUNITY
-----------------------------
6.1 Q: What is RTFM?!
A: This is an acronym for Read The Fuc*ing Manual. This is a common
answer you'll get when asking for help in the Linux community.
It's meant to make you feel inadequate while boating the Linux
persons ego at the same time. See, Linux enthusiasts consider
themselves to be guru like and above helping out the simple
newbie. You have to earn your respect by spending countless
hours becoming a kernel hacker before you're worthy of getting
any help.
6.2 Q: Why does everyone think they are better than you when
using Linux?
A: Same as above. When people use Linux they believe since it
takes a little more knowledge to use Linux, they are technically
superior, and see themselves as an elite group that doesn't have
time for the pathetic little Windows people.
(more to come...)
SECTION SEVEN - LINUX ADVOCACY, HELPING OR HURTING?
---------------------------------------------------
7.1 Q: Everyone in here says linux is perfect, why would they say that
if it isn't?
A: We really don't know. Maybe they've used Linux so long that
they've gotten used to it. Some of these people haven't used
Windows in years so they are comparing Linux to the
last windows they used, maybe Windows 3.1 or 95.
7.2 Q: Why does everyone call you a troll when you ask something that
questions linux?
A: Most of the people here in C.O.L.A. think of Linux more like a
religion than an OS. They mostly are MS haters and feel that
Linux is the greatest thing to ever hit computing. So when
someone questions Linux it's like questioning their belief
system. Instead of looking at it with some logic and
reasonable judgment, they will lash out at you can't claim your
are a troll or a paid MS supporter.
7.3 Q: Why does everyone <PLONK> you if you question Linux?
A: Fairly similar to above, Linux advocates can not argue their
point rationally. So to make it look like you are under them
or you are not worth it, and at the same time find an easy
way out of having to prove themselves, they will <PLONK> you.
(more to come...)
SECTION EIGHT - LINUX EVANGELISM, ZEALOTS
-----------------------------------------
8.1 Q: There are some people that call this FAQ lies and seem to treat
it like it's a conspiracy against them, and post all sorts of links
to anti-microsoft articles. Why are they reacting so strongly?
A: The people that are reacting so strongly are most likely the
Linux extremists that believe everything negitive that is said about
Linux comes from Microsoft. Like many cult-like groups, the people
that belong to them don't have the ability to see things rationally
or outside of their view. If someone replies to the FAQ, or
anything questioning a non-favorable view on Linux, that seems a
little "over the edge", do a google search on the person
(http://groups.google.com/) and look at his/her posting history
then decide for yourself if the person is credible or not.
(more to come...)
-----------------------------------------
PLEASE VISIT:
Andrew Halliwell
> Just what motivates them has yet to be seen.
Fairly obvious really.
A combination of:
* bill gates fanboy-ism (similar to football hooligans where anyone who
supports your opposing teams are beneath you and targets for a
beating/stream of insults and you feel the need to repeat it constantly)
* greed: My shares! my shares! I must protect my shares! (or my job! my
job!!) It's their fault, I'll flame them!
* general childish trollishness: Find a forum where you can stir up a
wasp'snest by posting a few insults, poke it a few times and sit back and
watch the fun.
It's fairly obvious which categories some of these trolls fit in.
K man and clogwog: the general trollish one.
Lopez, the greed one.
Some of the others (judging by the air of desperation that leaks through)
might be a combination of mainly the first two.
--
| spi...@freenet.co.uk | |
| Andrew Halliwell BSc | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't |
| in | suck is probably the day they start making |
| Computer science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge |
Andrew Halliwell
Split personality y'say? Hmmmm...
I can believe that, yes.
GOD lopez, you can't even spell when the thing you're trying to spell is
right there in the feckin LINK in front of you!
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/duelists.htm
^^^^
Hadron
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:37:49 -0400, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>
>>> One doesn't have to be a software engineer to use Linux.
>>
>> But one does need a brain, which could explain why Hadron's attempts to
>> use it have been miserable failures (according to him).
Plain bald faced lie as usual.
>
> That would also explain why DooFu$ & Flatfish etc, are miserable failures
> when it comes to running GNU/Linux.
--
The "XP could sink Microsoft" thread his an absolute gem. You'd think
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy
these advocates were related to Nostradamus!
Hadron
> MJCR received threats for posting the FAQ after that. Personally, I would
> have not expressed my opinion on such a matter in public if it were to
You have never expressed your own point of view about anything. You're a
"me too" monkey.
> happen to me. Instead, I would have sought out the law enforcement
> authorities. Such are no laughing matter, personal threats of
> physical harm or death against one's family and/or self are criminal.
You seem to think you're Mark Kent's love child with your exaggerated
prose. Give it up. It ill befits you.
Hadron
> raylopez99 <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> No, that's you Thumper.
>>
>> I would say Hadron is a dualist
>
> Split personality y'say? Hmmmm...
> I can believe that, yes.
You should know. The way you switch from "sage graduate" to vile,
frothing idiot with a potty mouth the second someone puts you
right. Again.
>
> GOD lopez, you can't even spell when the thing you're trying to spell is
> right there in the feckin LINK in front of you!
Someone is rather short of ammo to suck up to the COLA gang it appears.
>
>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/duelists.htm
> ^^^^
--
"True. Due to a lack of competition, there essentially have been no
improvements to Microsoft's operating system and office software. It
just works."
-- High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Clogwog
news:4871313b$0$25951$6e1e...@read.cnntp.org...
> Hans (clogwog) schreef:
>> Hadron gegild als een meisje...
>>
>>> into your lying, corrupt face. I wonder why you even pretend
>>> to use Linux - you are clearly clueless about anything to do
>>> with it. The fact that you cosy up to 7 and High Plains
>>> Hypocrite
>>
>> [Schrap sleeplijn razen en tieren.]
>>
>> http://groups.google.nl/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/71872630895aca2f?hl=nl&dmode=source&output=gplain
>
> Goed vind!
You mean "Goed gevonden!", you illiterate twat!
Pretending to speak Dutch, isn't it!
>
> [quote]
> And Hadron, there is no use to reply, because I have "censured"
> you and your fellow Microsoft funded astroturfers again.
> [/quote]
b.t.w.
Did you notice that Don wears a new wig?, since Marti said: "Don is yet
another good looking dude"
http://www.donz-era.com/shared/get/uphoto.php?uid=021400042
Run, HPT, run!, get yourself a new wig as well.
http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Mullet_Blonde-Wig.jpg
Clogwog
Moshe Goldfarb.
Mark and Roy had a baby?
Wow!
I know cross gender operations have come a long way since Christine
Jorgensen but I had no idea how far!
HPT sure seems to be a "chip off the old block" that's for certain.
Moshe Goldfarb.
Yikes!!!!!!
Tim Smith
wrote:
> Clearly Microsoft is abusing their Intellectual Monopoly to force
> Wimbledon fans to run Windows against their will.
Are you claiming that this is the only way to watch Wimbledon? What
about people without computers? They can't watch Wimbledon, according
to you?
--
--Tim Smith
cc
> In article <kbq8k5-tlv....@sky.matrix>, Homer <use...@slated.org>
NBC abused their Intellectual Monopoly to force Wimbledon fans to
watch NBC against their will. It's all true. Also, the Illuminati are
using Windows to conduct secret meetings to decide victors in the NBA
finals. Bill Gates is a Mason. World Wide Conspiracy. It's right in
front you, Tim Smith (if that's your real name), you just have to put
it all together.
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Just what motivates them has yet to be seen.
>
> Fairly obvious really. A combination of:
>
> who supports your opposing teams are beneath you and targets for a
> beating/stream of insults and you feel the need to repeat it constantly)
>
> my job!!) It's their fault, I'll flame them!
>
> a wasp'snest by posting a few insults, poke it a few times and sit back
> and watch the fun.
>
> It's fairly obvious which categories some of these trolls fit in. K man
> and clogwog: the general trollish one. Lopez, the greed one. Some of the
> others (judging by the air of desperation that leaks through) might be a
> combination of mainly the first two.
According to those criterias, Hadron and Moshe fit #1 fan boi's, DFS #2&3.
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper writes:
>
>> MJCR received threats for posting the FAQ after that. Personally, I
>> would have not expressed my opinion on such a matter in public if it
>> were to
>
>
>> happen to me. Instead, I would have sought out the law enforcement
>> authorities. Such are no laughing matter, personal threats of physical
>> harm or death against one's family and/or self are criminal.
>
Ah, better.
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> You [snip fanboi troll shite]
>
> Wow!
>
> I know [snip closet sister fanboi troll shite]
>
> HPT [snip closet sister fanboi troll shite]
This is not the first time this troll has used slanderous language toward
Linux advocates:
From: Moshe Goldfarb [brick.n.st...@gmail.com]
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Rumours: Roy Schestowitz to get sex change
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:10:18 -0500
Message-ID: [b1b5vypel027.1h8f2gw05uqow$....@40tude.net]
[quote]
>>| According to his gay partner, Roy Schestowitz is planning an
>>| open-anus butt attack.
It appears he might already have scrambled a few eggs.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/471abd2d6d85fdb6
""Quite a bit has happened since I decided to have my testicles removed
and start my gender re-assignment surgery. Everything has healed quite
nicely and I've been having sex like a rabbit in heat! Being a girl has
it's disadvantages of course but the worst one is having sit down when I
pee. How you gals do this?
Filthy loos and germs.
I might just have to start taking 5 showers per day like I used to. I also
don't like having to clean myself out after I have sex. When I was living
as a man and whacked off I would just spray some Lysol on my penis and
wipe it off. Now after a guy finishes in me I am left sticky and smelly. I
hope I get used to this.
The most exciting event has happened in my life!
Mark Kent has proposed to me and as soon as he leaves his wife and family
we are to be married. [/quote]
This is also a signature style of flatfish, see:
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html
.... and it is not the first time the Goldfarb name has been used:
From: Peter =?ISO-8859-15?Q?K=F6hlmann?= [Peter.Koehlm...@t-online.de]
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is Doomed to Fail As a Desktop Operating System.
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:45:01 +0200
[quote]
Morris Ira Goldfarb wrote:
Hi flatfish
You also wrote in [http://tinyurl.com/4gh3uu]
Message-ID: [ebfaec71.0404191922.2f0a9...@posting.google.com]
-------------------
Ever notice how the Linux kook also seems to defend the rights of
fudge packers?
www.cruisingforsex.com is their hangout.
Let's all troll there for some fun!!!!!!!!
The faggots try and tell you how wonderful their life is yet we see
nobody who has as many sexual partners as a homo.
They are filthy, disgusting vermin sticking their things up another
man's asshole.
Yea they don't seem to mention that part in "Heather Has two Mommies"
Homosexuality is a birth defect.'
---------------
Yes, you are a linux user, flatfish. Really. Truly
[/quote]
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
<Fanboi troll shite snipped>
> -- "True. Due to a lack of competition, there essentially have been no
> improvements to Microsoft's operating system and office software. It
> just works."
> -- High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid> in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy
I am glad to see that you agreed enough with me to quote me. OpenOffice
and its value added commercial variant StarOffice is an improvement over
Microsoft Office. Linux is an improvement over Vista.
(Awaiting the howling:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm )
--
HPT
Moshe Goldfarb.
The problem with the Lino-Nuts is that they have no clue WRT to the free
enterprise system.
Welcome to capitalism.
These boobs want everything for free and for the earth to return to the
barter system.
Maybe we should all start wearing animal skins and grunting instead of
speaking, as well.
Mark Kent
> Verily I say unto thee, that David Moyer spake thusly:
>> Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>> http://wimbledon.mediazone.com/other/support.html
>>>
>>> System Requirements
>>> The minimum requirements for MediaZone are:
>>>
>>> * Windows OS: XP [...]
>>
>> works fine on OSX, just make sure Flip4Mac is installed and you are
>> golden.
>>
>> I'm simply using Camino, Leopard on a stock MacBook Air.
>>
>> http://caminobrowser.org/
>>
>> http://www.flip4mac.com/
>
> And how do you play their encrypted WMV content without WMV DRM support,
> as required by this file, for example:
>
> http://pl.wimbledon.mediazone.com/p.asx?url=http://mfile.akamai.com/25457/wmv/wimbledonxp.download.akamai.com/25457/wimbledon/streaming/2008/e-20080706_1127_14_1_500_RFRN.wmv
>
> [quote]
> Microsoft makes Windows Media DRM technology available for Windows
> operating systems and many device platforms. At this time, Microsoft has
> no plans to offer Windows Media DRM support on the Macintosh.
> [/quote]
>
> http://www.flip4mac.com/knowledge/kb_0056.htm
>
> Clearly Microsoft is abusing their Intellectual Monopoly to force
> Wimbledon fans to run Windows against their will.
>
> According to the Microsoft shills in COLA, this is a good thing.
>
Would a complaint to ofcom be appropriate?
--
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| Cola trolls: http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/ |
| Open platforms prevent vendor lock-in. Own your Own services! |
Moshe Goldfarb.
Sure.
The person reading your tripe will probably get a good laugh out of it.