Ruby Forum > Ruby Talk > comp.lang.ruby ?
Kenneth LL
Talk will post to comp.lang.ruby.
but then people replying on the comp.lang.ruby will not get the answer
through to the Ruby Talk poster...
and then, Ruby Forum is even on top of Ruby Talk and comp.lang.ruby...
so people replying in Ruby Talk or comp.lang.ruby will not get the
answer through to Ruby Forum...
So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that
it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in
all 3 places?
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Marc Heiler
> it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in
> all 3 places?
I dont know but I rarely check on the mailing list these days with this
forum here available.
Summercool
> > So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that
> > it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in
> > all 3 places?
this is replying from comp.lang.ruby
let's see where it will get to...
Summercool
On Sep 16, 5:41 am, Marc Heiler <sheve...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> > So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that
> > it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in
> > all 3 places?
this is replying from Google's Ruby Talk...
Summercool Summercool
>> So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that
>> it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in
>> all 3 places?
Looks like
Ruby Forum > ( Ruby Talk = comp.lang.ruby )
posting to Ruby Forumwill post to all three
posting to Ruby Talk or comp.lang.ruby will automatically post to the
other, but won't go to Ruby Forum.
so if you ask a question here, there might be answer in comp.lang.ruby
waiting for you which you didn't know about, unless you subscribe to
Ruby Talk or comp.lang.ruby by email.
Summercool Summercool
> so if you ask a question here, there might be answer in comp.lang.ruby
> waiting for you which you didn't know about, unless you subscribe to
> Ruby Talk or comp.lang.ruby by email.
so if you want an answer or a new posting to get to the widest audience
group, always use Ruby Forum to post...
Konrad Meyer
I'm pretty sure ruby-forum and ruby-talk are inter-changeable (so long as
you're subscribed) and I'd imagine with the ruby-talk <-> usenet gateway
that the same goes for usenet, though I've not seen messages marked as from
there.
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Robert Klemme
You are right. The only issue I am aware of ATM is that the news->email
gateway has some delays on the news side. We probably can't do much
about it but you should be aware of this.
Kind regards
robert
James Edward Gray II
> The only issue I am aware of ATM is that the news->email gateway
> has some delays on the news side. We probably can't do much about
> it but you should be aware of this.
The half of the gateway that reads news messages and sends them as
emails runs as a cron job every five minutes. If the message has hit
our host by the next run, that should be the biggest delay.
James Edward Gray II
James Edward Gray II
> so it seems like Google created Ruby Talk…
I don't understand this comment. Google did not create Ruby Talk.
> but then people replying on the comp.lang.ruby will not get the answer
> through to the Ruby Talk poster...
The gateway between Ruby Talk and comp.lang.ruby ferries messages
both ways, so I don't understand what you are saying here either.
James Edward Gray II
Terry Poulin
And this from the Ruby-Talk Mailing List :-)
If I had usenet service, I'd probably use comp.lang.ruby instead.
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Jay Levitt
>> I'm pretty sure ruby-forum and ruby-talk are inter-changeable (so long as
>> you're subscribed) and I'd imagine with the ruby-talk <-> usenet gateway
>> that the same goes for usenet, though I've not seen messages marked as from
>> there.
>
> You are right. The only issue I am aware of ATM is that the news->email
> gateway has some delays on the news side. We probably can't do much
> about it but you should be aware of this.
Hmm.. how long are those delays? Summercool posted messages from
comp.lang.ruby about 6 hours ago that still aren't showing on ruby-talk.
What's the source of them, do you know? Just a slow news provider?
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F. Senault
> If I had usenet service, I'd probably use comp.lang.ruby instead.
http://news.lacave.net/acces.html
(The page is in french, but I distribute parts of the Big8, including
clr.)
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It burned like fire This burning desire I have spoke with the tongue
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James Edward Gray II
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:48:34 +0200, Robert Klemme wrote:
>
>>> I'm pretty sure ruby-forum and ruby-talk are inter-changeable (so
>>> long as
>>> you're subscribed) and I'd imagine with the ruby-talk <-> usenet
>>> gateway
>>> that the same goes for usenet, though I've not seen messages
>>> marked as from
>>> there.
>>
>> You are right. The only issue I am aware of ATM is that the news-
>> >email
>> gateway has some delays on the news side. We probably can't do much
>> about it but you should be aware of this.
>
> Hmm.. how long are those delays? Summercool posted messages from
> comp.lang.ruby about 6 hours ago that still aren't showing on ruby-
> talk.
Can you point me at the message you are referring to so I can see
what happened to it? Thanks.
James Edward Gray II
Jay Levitt
>> Hmm.. how long are those delays? Summercool posted messages from
>> comp.lang.ruby about 6 hours ago that still aren't showing on ruby-
>> talk.
>
> Can you point me at the message you are referring to so I can see
> what happened to it? Thanks.
Here you go:
> Path: border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
> From: Summercool <Summerc...@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
> Subject: Re: Ruby Forum > Ruby Talk > comp.lang.ruby ?
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:45:53 -0000
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Lines: 9
> Message-ID: <1189946753.3...@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
> References: <39e221dc9ebe647f...@ruby-forum.com> <e1ac4d64a7c0043a...@ruby-forum.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.22.180.194
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> X-Trace: posting.google.com 1189946753 27229 127.0.0.1 (16 Sep 2007 12:45:53 GMT)
> X-Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:45:53 +0000 (UTC)
> In-Reply-To: <e1ac4d64a7c0043a...@ruby-forum.com>
> User-Agent: G2/1.0
> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070725 Firefox/2.0.0.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
> Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
> Injection-Info: 50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=75.22.180.194; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0
> Bytes: 1547
> Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.lang.ruby:257004
>
> On Sep 16, 5:41 am, Marc Heiler <sheve...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> > > So... what is the good method? Start a new post in Ruby Forum so that
> > > it can get to the biggest audience group. But then, check answers in
> > > all 3 places?
>
> this is replying from comp.lang.ruby
> let's see where it will get to...
Robert Klemme
IIRC we had an email exchange about the phenomenon a few weeks ago and
agreed that the biggest part of the delay was not in the gateway but in
the NNTP path from the posting site to the GW's news server. There's
probably nothing we can do about other than changing the news provider.
But I believe someone mentioned that this is not easy because news
provider generally prohibit this kind of mirroring business in their rules.
Kind regards
robert
James Edward Gray II
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:06:56 +0900, James Edward Gray II wrote:
>
>>> Hmm.. how long are those delays? Summercool posted messages from
>>> comp.lang.ruby about 6 hours ago that still aren't showing on ruby-
>>> talk.
>>
>> Can you point me at the message you are referring to so I can see
>> what happened to it? Thanks.
>
> Here you go:
I see this message on Ruby Talk:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/269262
I also see it on comp.lang.ruby:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/9c0b3b288942c147
Everything seems OK to me. Am I missing something?
James Edward Gray II
Jay Levitt
>> Here you go:
>
> I see this message on Ruby Talk:
>
> http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/269262
>
> I also see it on comp.lang.ruby:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/9c0b3b288942c147
>
> Everything seems OK to me. Am I missing something?
I swear it wasn't there before.. maybe it's the gateway slowness.
Venkat
"James Edward Gray II" <ja...@grayproductions.net>
>> so it seems like Google created Ruby Talk…
> I don't understand this comment. Google did not create Ruby Talk.
He thought google talk was a Google Group, perhaps.
>> but then people replying on the comp.lang.ruby will not get the answer
>> through to the Ruby Talk poster...
May be he meant, Ruby Forum instead of Ruby-Talk.
> The gateway between Ruby Talk and comp.lang.ruby ferries messages both
> ways, so I don't understand what you are saying here either.
I think messages posted on comp.lang.ruby don't get posted on Ruby Forum,
even though if you post to Ruby Forum, they get posted to comp.lang.ruby.
For example my posting (news:46e1a342$0$4051$4c36...@roadrunner.com) about
DBI on comp.lang.ruby (via my ISP), isn't posted to Ruby Forum, but is
posted to Ruby Talk:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/268160
So, I posted a similar message after a few hours on Ruby Forum and it got
posted on comp.lang.ruby
(news:6bc14805720a6225...@ruby-forum.com) and to Ruby Talk:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/268191
I think, the messages posted to comp.lang.ruby without an e-mail address
won't get posted to Ruby Forum. As, I have seen other messages posted to
comp.lang.ruby do get posted to Ruby Forum. But, I could be wrong.
-Venkat
Summercool
Ruby Talk == comp.lang.ruby ?
and then Ruby Forum post its messages to Ruby Talk/comp.lang.ruby
but never get the posts from there back to Ruby Forum?
Summercool
wrote:
> On Sep 16, 2007, at 7:11 AM, Kenneth LL wrote:
>
>
> I don't understand this comment. Google did not create Ruby Talk.
so is it that Ruby Talk was first created by Matz... and then Google
just makes a mirror of it?
Where is the official place for Ruby Talk?
James Edward Gray II
> So, can I assume that
>
> Ruby Talk == comp.lang.ruby ?
It's suppose to. There are a small percentage of messages that
aren't gated, for practical reasons. But, on the whole, yes.
James Edward Gray II
James Edward Gray II
> On Sep 16, 8:30 am, James Edward Gray II <ja...@grayproductions.net>
> wrote:
>> On Sep 16, 2007, at 7:11 AM, Kenneth LL wrote:
>>
>>> so it seems like Google created Ruby Talk...
>>
>> I don't understand this comment. Google did not create Ruby Talk.
>
> so is it that Ruby Talk was first created by Matz... and then Google
> just makes a mirror of it?
Someone created the Google mirror, yes.
> Where is the official place for Ruby Talk?
James Edward Gray II
Venkat
"Summercool" <Summerc...@gmail.com> wrote
> so is it that Ruby Talk was first created by Matz... and then Google
> just makes a mirror of it?
Google, as far as I know, only archieves and provides http interface to
comp.lang.ruby. Google Groups provides http interface to many Usenet
newsgroups. So, that's not anything specific to comp.lang.ruby. You seem to
be accessing this newsgroup via Google Groups. Many people, use a news
reader and access it via NNTP. You would need to setup your news reader
(Outlook Express on Windows, or Mozilla Thunderbird on Linux, for example)
to access this news group this way.
> Where is the official place for Ruby Talk?
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ archieves Ruby Talk:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/index.shtml
and other lists like ruby-dev.
To acess Ruby Talk or other mailing lists, you would need to subscribe by
sending an e-mail to ruby-lang.org
(mailto:ruby-t...@ruby-lang.org?subject=subscribe&body=subscribe%20YourFirstName%20YourFamilyName)
. See the links for the mailing list at the bottom of the page in the link:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/index.shtml
-Venkat
Jano Svitok
Perhaps you should tell the ruby-forum maintainer to check for
possible problems, with the same info as you provided to James? For me
it seems to be a problem on their (receving) side (unless it's settled
already).
Andreas Schwarz
are sent to the mailing list; the other way round is a bit more
difficult. The gateway was a bit flaky in this direction, and in case of
a temporary outage the mails from that period wouldn't be processed
automatically when the software came back up. I'm importing all the
missing posts that have accumulated right now, which will be quite a
flood...
The good news is that I have completely rewritten the gateway software
today, it's much more robust now, and I am confident that problems like
this won't happen anymore. Sorry for the trouble.
Regards,
Andreas