yeah, a spreadsheet is good for lists.
i guess what's still needed on top of that (and the wiki) is a clean,
simple to understand and navigate UI.
i have been in discussion with the folks who built the ideas project
website (http://ideasproject.com/index.jspa), which is all
semantically linked, so for example, it could be built so that it
showed all organizations, and then listed specific projects they are
working on or in support of or things they are associated with. the
same way, you could search by project, and see what other similar
projects/related projects were out there, and what issues the project
was seeking to solve.
in my mind, this would be a great solution, allowing the info from all
these places to pipe in.... automatically updating blog posts from all
the different sites and providing a snapshot overview of the entire
ecosystem, and making it very easy for projects and people to become
aware of one another and share data instead of duplicating it over and
over.
this is a much bigger project than creating a spreadsheet, but it's
something that would be nice.
i love the p2p foundation site, it's
absolutely packed with gold, but it is a bit overwhelming to
understand where to look and to get context.
the thing i'm envisioning would be a lot of work to set up,
but then it would be intelligent.
for example, as we've had the conversation many times about how to
evaluate projects or break down the criteria about them.... if these
values were defined, they could then be entered into this database,
and it would show you the 9 projects that were related/similar/
identical. it just seems that if there was more granular information
about all of this, and it was openly available and easy to navigate,
we'd have a much more effective method of allocating resources to
efforts that will go furthest.
Venessa,
your remarks have really fired me up. Inline responses:
On Saturday, April 16, 2011 7:40:14 AM UTC-5, Venessa Miemis wrote:
yeah, a spreadsheet is good for lists.
yeah, but not for what we are talking about now.
i guess what's still needed on top of that (and the wiki) is a clean,
simple to understand and navigate UI.
or better yet, a database that would allow users to create multiple UI's
i have been in discussion with the folks who built the ideas project
website (http://ideasproject.com/index.jspa), which is all
semantically linked, so for example, it could be built so that it
showed all organizations, and then listed specific projects they are
working on or in support of or things they are associated with. the
same way, you could search by project, and see what other similar
projects/related projects were out there, and what issues the project
was seeking to solve.
I don't know how the ideas project site is built, but one approach to "semantic linking" is massive amounts of structured metadata. UI's + XML + database back end + middleware is one approach. Some high-end content management systems incorporate all these elements.
in my mind, this would be a great solution, allowing the info from all
these places to pipe in.... automatically updating blog posts from all
the different sites and providing a snapshot overview of the entire
ecosystem, and making it very easy for projects and people to become
aware of one another and share data instead of duplicating it over and
over.
Right. That's what I was thinking, too.
this is a much bigger project than creating a spreadsheet, but it's
something that would be nice.
Not just nice. I'm thinking it is cruxial. At the risk of hyperbole, the future of civilization and the future of the net may be strongly linked.
i love the p2p foundation site, it's
absolutely packed with gold, but it is a bit overwhelming to
understand where to look and to get context.
Not just that, but it is increasingly hard to maintain updates to the many pages and even if fully up-to-date it is static, curated "view" of the ecosystem. The kind of platform we are discussing now would allow different interest groups to create their own UI's and views.
the thing i'm envisioning would be a lot of work to set up,
yes, but intuitively we sense it would be of such value we can hardly estimate yet...
but then it would be intelligent.
for example, as we've had the conversation many times about how to
evaluate projects or break down the criteria about them.... if these
values were defined, they could then be entered into this database,
and it would show you the 9 projects that were related/similar/
identical. it just seems that if there was more granular information
about all of this, and it was openly available and easy to navigate,
we'd have a much more effective method of allocating resources to
efforts that will go furthest.
I think we should be applying the best available information technology to this. I have been out of the corporate IT world for over ten years, but the "enterprise" content management systems, enterprise database platforms, application servers (I used Oracle's OAS and IBM's WebSphere), and integrated development environments (IDEs) I was using then provide the kinds of tools needed for such a project. IDE's like JBuilder, Eclipse,or Oracle's JDeveloper and NetBeans
allow rapid development of multiple, customized graphical user interfaces and middleware for automatic "publishing" of updated database information to all wikis, blogs, and other venues that are subscribed to such updates. In the decade since I did this kind of application development and iintegration some or all of these tools and platforms may have become available in open/free alternatives. I don't know. But if not, that should not stop us from approaching this vitally important project with the best tools available.
Another way of describing such a project is building a Next Net ecosystem knowledge base and expert system.
PR
Yes. A visual map of the various problem spaces.
> i have been in discussion with the folks who built the ideas project
> website (http://ideasproject.com/index.jspa), which is all
> semantically linked, so for example, it could be built so that it
> showed all organizations, and then listed specific projects they are
> working on or in support of or things they are associated with. the
> same way, you could search by project, and see what other similar
> projects/related projects were out there, and what issues the project
> was seeking to solve.
Precisely.
Essentially what we need to do is competitive and market intelligence. :)
1) Get an understanding of the intended user base of the
software/services. (use cases and personas)
2) Get an understanding of the current vertical solutions to serve those
use cases
3) Have a brochure site of sorts that maps use cases to solutions.
I've always been focused on very horizontal
solutions/platforms/infrastructure. Things that people build great
vertical solutions on top of.
I've been watching these discussions with great interest but can't offer
any tactical time. I'm happy to host software though. Usually this stuff
is straightforward to install/setup for folks to start using. I do
LAMP/Ruby work all day long, so it's easy for me to spend 20 minutes
installing/configuring a platform which others can utilize for all sorts
of cool things.
> in my mind, this would be a great solution, allowing the info from all
> these places to pipe in.... automatically updating blog posts from all
> the different sites and providing a snapshot overview of the entire
> ecosystem, and making it very easy for projects and people to become
> aware of one another and share data instead of duplicating it over and
> over.
We could use http://drupal.org/project/semantic_search
I've been setting up my personal memex along the lines
of http://eric-blue.com/my-projects/personal-memex/
but using drupal instead of media wiki.
I'm also looking at
http://eric-blue.com/2009/05/10/15-effective-tools-for-visual-knowledge-management/
and exploring using those tools to organize my research in the overall
data ownership problem space.
> this is a much bigger project than creating a spreadsheet, but it's
> something that would be nice.
Indeed. Would allow us to focus on work instead of (as much) organizing
of that work.
> i love the p2p foundation site, it's
> absolutely packed with gold, but it is a bit overwhelming to
> understand where to look and to get context.
Right. It's a database, but not really organized as one.
> the thing i'm envisioning
> would be a lot of work to set up, but then it would be intelligent.
> for example, as we've had the conversation many times about how to
> evaluate projects or break down the criteria about them.... if these
> values were defined, they could then be entered into this database,
> and it would show you the 9 projects that were related/similar/
> identical.
Hmmmm. Very interesting. I wonder how much of this can be automated and
how much
requires human curating.
I'm playing with OpenKM and would be happy to provide an instance for
folks to experiment with.
> it just seems that if there was more granular information
> about all of this, and it was openly available and easy to navigate,
> we'd have a much more effective method of allocating resources to
> efforts that will go furthest.
Very much so.
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If the larger idea is to develop this infrastructure to connect projects in some way it might be a good idea to consider applying the metadata principles to the projects we are currently aggregating info on and that are represented both by the participants in this list as well as the projects people are gathering info on.
This gives everyone something tangible to work with.
What is the appropriate information to compile about projects to make this system we envision work?
In addition to what you describe below, I'd also recommend that where
there is not already translation between the existing open standards
metadata specs, that we can process the objects in various ways and
look for patterns that give us a view of how things are the same
despite imposed ontological differences.
Some ontologies have no translation, but we can look for patterns and
clustering of things, to try and match the semiotic and
epistemological understandings. Our ontologies are generally matched
to our language constructs, and short of coming up with new languages,
we can use machines to look for patterns where there cannot be 1 to 1
translation between metadata.
I can think of ways that BOINC could be used to do this even right now
today, for example: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/
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I would like to make it available. As a Drupal installation profile.
https://drupal.org/project/installation+profiles
I was already considering doing that and since you asked for it,
I shall do it right now and make it available for download. :)
I haven't put any data in the memex yet, just lots and lots of
plugins/themes etc.
> Why not make it so that the various implementations can also
> interoperate.
I'm not exactly sure how to do that. I imagine XML-RPC
would be the way to go about this. I've built web services/XML-RPC
stuff before but not with Drupal. Just with RubyOnRails.
Summer is rapidly approaching.
>
> Maybe it's a good start to as succinctly as possible describe those needs?
> Maybe we can get there step by step.
Indeed.
>
> (btw, we have had lots of discussions of this type in the cotw project.
> we thought that starting to collect those needs may be a good start.
> we're collecting 'user stories' at http://prom.openstewardship.net)
Yay for user stories!!! :) It's how folks like me turn desire to
fulfillment. :)
As promised I have released it:
http://blog.knownelement.com/2011/04/17/releasing-my-memex/
I am unable to provide any technical support, but feel free to comment
on the blog post with any questions. Or send me an e-mail with more detailed
instructions and I can put them on the post. I get paid to translate
technical instructions to action items for customers all day long. Not
going to do it for
free. :D
I hope this is of use to folks. It's been a lot of fun building it. Now
I have to migrate content. Whee!