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[vaidya nathan]

Life certificate submission.

Ramasubramaniam Sir

I too feel like you.  I do visit branch  till last year.  Chance to visit old colleagues and acquint with. New employees also.  My parent branch at Madurai while I live at Banglore for last  eight years.  Almost  all staff in Banglore of the Branch now are familiar and things go nicely  .  Afterall. We are all humans need attention, including the employees at the counter .  Till health permit,  I wish to continue the process.

VAIDYANATHAN

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• IMPROVEMENT IN PENSION SCHEME -AIBEA - 7 Updates
• Life Certificate - 5 Updates
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• IMPACT ON MERGER OF CPI 8088 POINTS - 4 Updates
• Jeevan Pramaan Face App. Dear Mr Gajanan/ Mr Kushal, - 3 Updates

IMPROVEMENT IN PENSION SCHEME -AIBEA

mohan p <moha...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 07:21AM -0400 Dear Veera Bhadra Swamy,   Merging CPI of 8088 points is not Updation of Pension.( In every settlement certain portion of CPI is merged with Basic Pay of employees from 600 points to 6352 points with a single DA rate.)   Pension Updation: In short a person retired under 6th or 7th BPS/JN period to be brought to level of 11th or 12th BPS/JN with notional increase in Basic Pension and a uniform lesser DR rate.   RBI pensioners have already got the benefit.If RBI formula cannot be applied suitable formula to be arrived in case of bank pensioners.   Merger of DR at 8088 points may not give any benefit to pensioners.   Updation of Pension is our demand. Regards, Mohan.P   On Thu, 2 Nov, 2023, 12:13 am Parvatam Veera Bhadra Swamy, <

JSOMA SHEKARA <jsomase...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 05:51PM +0530 The DFS appointed committee report is being submitted to the DHC on 7th. Updation in every settlement is one of the agenda of the committee. Further Late MC Singhla case regarding updation is also scheduled for hearing on 21St. The said committee has also obtained views of IBA. While it is so what message AIBEA is giving by issuing such circulars. There are 9 unions in UFBU. Why AIBEA only taking decisions.

Gopalakrishnan Ramachandran <chandra...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 05:21PM +0530 I feel that merger of 8088 points with basic pension will increase the basic pension. When we apply present DA rate, it will give substantial increase. This may be specifically for pre2002 retirees. One can work on the above and see the difference.   G Ramachandran CB-SVRS.

JSOMA SHEKARA <jsomase...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 10:00PM +0530 Employees are not allowed to work in the same place continuously for more than 3 years except in unavoidable circumstances,. for the reason that some can manipulate things. Same applies to office bearers of trade Unions. Over the years they become dictators and take unilateral decisions and others are afraid to question it.   On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 5:51 PM JSOMA SHEKARA <jsomase...@gmail.com> wrote:

Satyanarayana Rao <karna...@yahoo.co.in>: Nov 02 05:20PM Merger of 8088 points to all basic pensions will bring all groups pensioners retired under deferment bipartite settlements including the future retirees of 12 th bps in to one single group and it will definitely give substantial benefits to 6 th and 7 th bipartite settlements retirees and all shall be on par with 12th bipartite settlements pensioners.  This will remove all the disparties among pensioners and one bank one pension theory like OROP as ADVOCATED  by the finance minister will be achieved. We have to remember that the government has appointed a committee to submit a  report  on pension reform to Delhi high court and the details are not available. There fore it is unpredictable to reason in which from the pension revision/ updation takes place. The debate has to continue till a crystal clear solution is finalized by the stakeholders. Nobody knows when and how the 3 decades grievance of pensioners will be resolved?This is a million dollars question. No expert can explain and predict the CHV mind.    Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 16:52, mohan p<moha...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Veera Bhadra Swamy, Merging CPI of 8088 points is not Updation of Pension.( In every settlement certain portion of CPI is merged with Basic Pay of employees from 600 points to 6352 points with a single DA rate.) Pension Updation: In short a person retired under 6th or 7th BPS/JN period to be brought to level of 11th or 12th BPS/JN with notional increase in Basic Pension and a uniform lesser DR rate. RBI pensioners have already got the benefit.If RBI  formula cannot be applied suitable formula to be arrived in case of bank pensioners. Merger of DR at 8088 points may not give any benefit to pensioners. Updation of Pension is our demand. Regards,Mohan.P On Thu, 2 Nov, 2023, 12:13 am Parvatam Veera Bhadra Swamy, <pvbs...@gmail.com> wrote:   Hi Whether merging of 8088 points in improving pension is beneficial or pension updation as per RBI formula is beneficial. Can any knowledgeable member can comment on this matter please. Pvbswamy  On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, 16:22 mohan p, <moha...@gmail.com> wrote:     ALL INDIA BANK EMPLOYEES'ASSOCIATION   Central Office: "PRABHAT NIVAS" Regn. No.2037Singapore Plaza, 164, Linghi Chetty Street, Chennai-600001   Phone: 2535 1522   Web: www.aibea.in   email~chv....@gmail.com & aib...@gmail.com M 9840089920       CIRCULAR LETTER No. 29/17/2023/42   31-10-2023   To   • All Office Bearers,   • State Federations / All India Bankwise Organisations,       Dear Comrades,   Improvement in Pension Scheme       We have been informing our units about the variousimprovements made in the Pension Scheme so far. With great efforts, one moreoption was achieved in 2010 during the 9th BP Settlement which benefitted morethan 3 lac retirees/ employees/ officers to join the pension scheme.   In the 11th BP Settlement in 2020, we could achieveimprovement in Family Pension which benefitted nearly 1 lac family pensioners.In February, 2023 this year, we could achieve a minimum ex-gratia pension ofRs.10,000 for all pre-1986 retirees/surviving spouse.   In July, 2023, we could achieve 100% DA for pre- Nov. 2002pensioners which has benefitted more than 180,000 pensioners. Last week, duringthe discussions IBA has expressed its inclination to extend an option forresigned employees to join the pension scheme. We are also vigorously pursuingthe issue of updation of pension.   During the 11th BP negotiations we had raised the issue ofsome improvements in pension scheme on the lines of improvements made inCentral Govt. employees pension scheme like reduction in eligibility years to20 years for full pension, pension to be paid on average of last 10 months' Payor last drawn Pay, whichever is beneficial to the employee, upgrading allpension to 8088 points, etc.   You may send your specific suggestions for anyimprovement in pension scheme so that the same may be suitably taken up withIBA.   With Greetings,   Yours Comradely,   C.H. VENKATACHALAM   GENERAL SECRETARY     -- Visit our blog site http:://bankpensioner.blogspot.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "bankpensioner" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bankpensione...@googlegroups.com. 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kds nair <sasidhar...@gmail.com>: Nov 03 11:16AM +0530 Since we are not members of unions,better we leave them from our discussions.It is appreciable if we approach them with our suggestions to improve their handling of our issues because our leaders are good for nothing.   On Fri, 3 Nov, 2023, 11:07 am Gopalakrishnan Ramachandran, <

JSOMA SHEKARA <jsomase...@gmail.com>: Nov 03 11:18AM +0530 Merging of DA with Basic is part of the Updation process.. Bifurcating it and implementing piecemeal implementation of updation is a great disadvantage to Pre 2002 retirees. If merging of DA@8880 points is done now the remaining process of Updation will be treated as residual issue and will be taken up in 13th BPS. Hon.FM did not intend this while appointing the committee. I think we have to wait for the committee report which will be submitted to the court on 7th Nov.   On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 11:07 AM Gopalakrishnan Ramachandran <

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Life Certificate

Kalyanasundaram Subramaniam <1952...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 03:51AM -0700 Asking for identification is fine. Nothing wrong in that. After all someone should not impersonate.   But Indian Bank format for LC contains Spouse Name, Spouse Date and Mobile Number. I wonder why Life Certificate should have all these declarations.   S Kalyanasundaram       On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 3:58:32 PM UTC+5:30 Sankaranarayana Sarma wrote:

Vvns Varaprasadrao <varapra...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 04:06PM +0530 You are from which Bank Sir ?   On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, 3:58 pm Sankaranarayana Sarma, <bsns...@gmail.com> wrote:

Chellappa Renganathan <rengana...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 10:10PM +0530 Sir.Whether the Branch in which you went for giving Life certificate is your Pension Paying Branch or other than the Pension Paying Branch.If you have gone to the branch other than Pension Paying Branch,you have to show some ID Proof of retiree,PPO etc.

MOHANDAS RAO <kmra...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 06:35PM +0530 Dear Sarma,   Did the person at the branch who provided the Life Certificate pertaining to the retired bank staff or was that meant for the government pensioners? The latter requires the Aadhaar Number and a copy of it. Staff proforma does not require any attachment. The form needs your HRMS Number, Account Number, Address and Phone number. That's all. If you had carried your ID card, it would have been better. Let it be. Did you obtain an acknowledgement and have received a confirmation mail from the Mumbai Office?   K. MOHANDAS RAO     On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 15:58, Sankaranarayana Sarma <bsns...@gmail.com> wrote:

kds nair <sasidhar...@gmail.com>: Nov 03 11:18AM +0530 Wife is beneficiary of family pension.   On Fri, 3 Nov, 2023, 11:06 am Kalyanasundaram Subramaniam, <

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UCO BANK GESTURE ON DIWALI

mohan p <moha...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 11:17AM -0400 Just for information:   "We cannot deny the fact that a customer presently classified as NPA borrower was once a valued customer of the Bank." _Uco Bank. Distributes Sweet Packets to top 10 NPA Borrowers of the Branches on the occasion of Diwali Festival.

AJIT SINGH <seti...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 09:15PM +0530 Instructions stand withdrawn on 02.11.2023.

SUMAN KUMAR Suman <suman...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 09:01PM +0530 s.correct iITSCERAINLY LAPS BANK WITHOUT RECOGNIZING THE SAID LOANS MEETINGTHE NEED OTHERWISE WE ARE HIGHLY EDUCATED CANT WE ASSES. THERE BANKS FAILS. OF COURSE WHATB HAPPEN TOMORROW WE SHOULD BE IN POSITION     OK NPA ARE BEING CREATED BY COLLIDING . WITH HIGHER UPS TO ROUTE LEEL, HOWMANY ROOT LEVEL NPAS, ALL BELOW 25000, .     BUT MAIN NPAS ARE FROM BIG SHOTS. DO YOU AGREE, Y AND HOW UPTO ALL TO DECIDE DECIDE     -- *suman.*

SUMAN KUMAR Suman <suman...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 09:06PM +0530 SOME CORRECTIONS REQUIRED SORRY ITS THE UCOBANK VERSION,. TO IT MY REPLY. HOPE ALL WILL AGREE   On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 9:01 PM SUMAN KUMAR Suman <suman...@gmail.com> wrote:     -- *suman.*

T R Kartik <karti...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 10:51PM +0530 Wow, anything for its employees who shed their blood & sweat for the success of this org?   Thanking You, Yours, Kartik   [image: Mailtrack] <https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality11&> Sender notified by Mailtrack <https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality11&> 02/11/23, 22:50:39

sastry n s <sast...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 09:06PM -0700 Is it an informed gesture ?   On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 8:47:25 PM UTC+5:30 mohan p wrote:

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IMPACT ON MERGER OF CPI 8088 POINTS

mohan p <moha...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 03:09PM -0400 Dear Friends,.   It seems , that few Retirees have confusion on this point.   At the outset let me clarify that merger of certain CPI points with basic Pension is neither Updation of Pension as we demand, nor improvement in pension we receive now.   No monetary benefit is derived to pensioners on this exercise except notional increase in Basic Pension,and uniform percentage of DR in future.   As pensioners, we are drawing pension fixed at the time of one’s retirement, with same rate of Dearness Allowance applicable to that period,in terms of BPER,1995, with half yearly increase/decrease in AICPIN-IW,published by GOI,monthly.   Serving employees salary is revised once in five years with;   a) merger of certain CPI points with their basic pay,at each BPS/JN.   b)and adding certain load factor &   c) Spl.allowances( which may not count for pension!) and revised DA.   Unless Updation of pension is implemented, as and when wage revision takes place at industry level, there may not be any parity in pension between 5th BPS pensioner and 12 the BPS pensioner.   For eg:An employee under 5th BPS period with a basic Pay at Rs.5200 would have been continued in service till 11th BPS period in same scale he would have drawn Rs.82670 as his Basic pay on retirement.And consequently a sum of Rs 41335. as his Basic Pension,too.   I have enclosed an illustration for reference, on impact of merger of CPI points 8088 on pensioners under different category.   As I have stated earlier, merger of CPI 8088 points with basic pension of retirees may pave way for Updation of Pension in future, on the lines of RBI pensioners or Central Govt pensioners,with suitable formula.   Let it happen.

"Balakrishnan P.P." <balan...@gmail.com>: Nov 03 08:38AM +0530 Thank you for your clear clarification, hitherto I had no idea of impact on merger of CPI points. Balakrishnan, Canara Bank retiree.

RANGARAJAN M R <rangar...@gmail.com>: Nov 03 08:48AM +0530 Will there be such exercises in regard to pension at the time of each BPS every 4 years ? Is it not possible to evolve a good formula for pensioners ensuring that they get updation periodically ? A deep understanding of the subject and appropriate action is necessary from all stake holders.   M.R.RANGARAJAN

sastry n s <sast...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 09:02PM -0700 Very good clarification. It is the factual position.   On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 12:40:01 AM UTC+5:30 mohan p wrote:

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Jeevan Pramaan Face App. Dear Mr Gajanan/ Mr Kushal,

mohan p <moha...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 07:08AM -0400 Dear Shri.Sudhakaran Nambiar,   a)You can submit Life Certificate to your pension paying branch or any nearby branch of your Bank by personally visiting there.   There are different ways to comply this process.   b)One of the same is submission of Digital LC under jeevan praman with Face App, sitting at your home,with a Mobile phone or Laptop. c)Doorstep banking .of banks or Post Office for this matter. d) Through Video call introduced by SBI and few other banks.   Regards, Mohan.P   On Thu, 2 Nov, 2023, 6:28 am Sudhakar Nambiar, <1945su...@gmail.com> wrote:

Shastri Ramasubramanyam <shastri...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 04:42PM +0530 Dear Mr.Mohan, This is a one time ritual in a year. I think we can go in person and submit it as long as the health permits. This at least gives us an opportunity to meet any of our colleagues if anyone is there in that branch.   I felt very happy yesterday when I went in person and submitted the life certificate. I could also interact with some of my ex colleagues which made me feel very young after talking to them for a while.   This is just my loud thinking.   Thanks and regards Shastri

Sudhakar Nambiar <1945su...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 05:05PM +0530 Thank you for your immediate response

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It is better to take the highest pay of the last 10 months as some might have gone on loss of pay /sick
leave on half salary etc highest pay drawn on preceding 10 months will be beneficial to the pensioners

m.sreenivasan chennai 83 On Friday, 3 November, 2023 at 03:59:42 pm IST, vaidya nathan <vvn.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

Life certificate submission.
Ramasubramaniam Sir
I too feel like you.  I do visit branch  till last year.  Chance to visit old colleagues and acquint with. New employees also.  My parent branch at Madurai while I live at Banglore for last  eight years.  Almost  all staff in Banglore of the Branch now are familiar and things go nicely  .  Afterall. We are all humans need attention, including the employees at the counter .  Till health permit,  I wish to continue the process.
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- IMPROVEMENT IN PENSION SCHEME -AIBEA - 7 Updates
- Life Certificate - 5 Updates
- UCO BANK GESTURE ON DIWALI - 6 Updates
- IMPACT ON MERGER OF CPI 8088 POINTS - 4 Updates
- Jeevan Pramaan Face App. Dear Mr Gajanan/ Mr Kushal, - 3 Updates IMPROVEMENT IN PENSION SCHEME -AIBEA mohan p <moha...@gmail.com>: Nov 02 07:21AM -0400

[Mathrubootham Sreenivasan]

[Mathrubootham Sreenivasan]

central govt pensioners pension is being updated then and there on every pay commission taking into the stage equivalent to last pay drawn on account of this pensioners pension being updated regularly this fact may be taken into a/c when updation is being considered

m.sreenivasan 9444683839 dt 6th nov 2023