Brian Copeland Tells All About Bernie Ward
John Slade
was talking about and couldn't resist. Brian Copeland went on to say that
there was a woman who used to work at KGO. She was a pal to everyone, you
could tell dirty jokes and she wouldn't flinch. Then Copeland says one day
in about 2000, she came into his studio with a white face like she had seen
a ghost. Coplend then said the woman told him that she walked in on Bernie
Ward masturbating while on the air doing God Talk. Bernie then said to her
that it was stupid as he was having sex with a woman online. Bernie said it
was wreckless. Copeland and the woman said they didn't go to management of
KGO because they didn't want Bernie to lose his job. I must say a year ago I
would be shocked. Not now. Copeland went on to play a discussion he had with
Bernie Ward about an admitted sex offender posting info on how to molest
kids. Bernie Ward defended the right to post it but said it was terrible.
Copeland disagreed. All while this was going on Copeland knew about Bernie's
coming indictment and the charges. He even asked Bernie if he should go into
how this subject had effected Bernie personally.
This happened in the first hour of Copeland's show. Now I guess the
callers are next. Copeland says he's getting a ton of hate mail and it might
be his last show.
John
DWA...@gmail.com
Now presumably, we know what those annoying “on-air pauses” were all
about; annoying to us, but sheer ecstasy to Bernie!
Now I’m sure a few of the sickos will drop to the wayside, and say
“Enough is enough!” But then you watch, there will be plenty of
others, perhaps perverts themselves who will continue to carry the
flag for Bernie. And of course they say nothing at all about the
“child porn victims”. To them they don’t exist. After all, Bernie is
the victim here, right?
And a certain female talk show host will say well “Bernie was doing
research for his book”. Well tell me, what kind of research and or
beat was he working on during his pleasure time on "God Talk"?
Now it’s obvious that Bernie needs professional help, and hopefully he
gets it. But you need to first admit there’s a problem in order to
heal. As well meaning as some of you may be, burying it under the rug
will not help Bernie nor his family in the healing process.
And kudos to the Brian Copelands, Ronn Owens’s, John Rothmans and the
like for speaking professionally and honestly about the issue, rather
than pretending it was “research for a book” or that it was a “non-
issue”.
John Slade
<DWA...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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“Bernie’s Climatic Pause for the Cause"
Now presumably, we know what those annoying “on-air pauses” were all
about; annoying to us, but sheer ecstasy to Bernie!
I don't think it's something he did every day but hey I was wrong
about Bernie and his situation before...
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Now I’m sure a few of the sickos will drop to the wayside, and say
“Enough is enough!” But then you watch, there will be plenty of
others, perhaps perverts themselves who will continue to carry the
flag for Bernie. And of course they say nothing at all about the
“child porn victims”. To them they don’t exist. After all, Bernie is
the victim here, right?
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I just can't wait to hear if Ray Taliaferro defends Bernie. If I can
get in I'm going to call Karel's attention to what Copeland said. This is
not a right wing conspiracy, I never thought it was. Why go after Bernie?
He's preaching to the chior.
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And a certain female talk show host will say well “Bernie was doing
research for his book”. Well tell me, what kind of research and or
beat was he working on during his pleasure time on "God Talk"?
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I always questioned what child pornography had to do with the book
Bernie was supposedly writing. The book was supposed to be about hypocricy
in the Catholic Church. So that put up a huge red flag. I even made a joke
about Bernie jerking off. Maybe I'm psychic.
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Now it’s obvious that Bernie needs professional help, and hopefully he
gets it. But you need to first admit there’s a problem in order to
heal. As well meaning as some of you may be, burying it under the rug
will not help Bernie nor his family in the healing process.
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Bernie Ward needs to go to jail and then get some help. If he goes to
the right or wrong jail(depending on how you see things) the other inmates
will help Bernie along with some theraputic sessions of their own. They
frown on anything to do with child exploitation. He'll probably wind up in
protective custody or in a minimum security prison though. He can request
that because of his fame.
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And kudos to the Brian Copelands, Ronn Owens’s, John Rothmans and the
like for speaking professionally and honestly about the issue, rather
than pretending it was “research for a book” or that it was a “non-
issue”.
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John Rothman did the best show I've heard yet on it. He did not
defend Bernie Wards actions but he also did not allow people to call Bernie
a child molester. Bernie's public life is over, he will have to find some
kind of work where he runs the company from behind the scenes and nobody
knows who he is. The sad parts are his family they must be going through
hell. The other sad part is that Bernie was one of the best liberal talk
show hosts out there. He really called those conservatives to task and he
was good at being right. He would ask questions of the right that left them
flustered and angry. Too bad we won't even get that any more form him. I
have about eight years of his shows on DVDs and CDs and I don't think I
could listen to them and get any kind of enjoyment out of them.
John
Ciccio
[Ward masturbating while working in the studio]
Man, the hits just keep on coming about what a pervert Ward is.
[Ward and Copie arguing about pervert posting on the Net]
The tape of Ward and Copie sparring, was not telling at all. That
type of exchange is often heard in college freshman classes. It was
nothing more than typical talk radio stuff. What, however, was quite
telling, was Ward's admission he made to Copie, when *off the air*.
That is, Ward had been doing it for a LONG TIME and the cops had him
and his computer.
Ciccio
leansto...@democrat.com
Where are the transcripts from the trial?
David Kaye
> [Ward masturbating while working in the studio]
> Man, the hits just keep on coming about what a pervert Ward is.
You have never walked in on a guy masturbating in an unusual or
dangerous place? Happens all the time. Thrill of the danger or
something.
Masturbating in the KGO studio has nothing to do with the charge
against Bernie, and thus there was no reason to mention it. But,
Brian is an entertainer. Were people entertained by the comment? I
don't know; I haven't played back the 2nd hour.
> The tape of Ward and Copie sparring, was not telling at all. That
> type of exchange is often heard in college freshman classes.
I agree. No purpose was served by airing this argument except to
tittilate the audience.
DWA...@gmail.com
>
> You have never walked in on a guy masturbating in an unusual or
> dangerous place? Happens all the time. Thrill of the danger or
> something.
>
> Masturbating in the KGO studio has nothing to do with the charge
> against Bernie, and thus there was no reason to mention it.
>
> > type of exchange is often heard in college freshman classes.
>
> I agree. No purpose was served by airing this argument except to
> tittilate the audience.
I knew some pervert (e.g "S.F. David Kaye") would continue to "carry
the flag" for Bernie, no matter what. As crazy as it sounded, it was
invevitable. And no Davey, I haven't had the pleasure, or rather
displeasure, of walking in on someone beating-off. I suspect it's a
"normal occurrence" for you where you work. Who would not have thought
that KGO needs surveillance cameras in their studios to ensure their
hosts aren't having too much fun.
And contrary to your thinking, this incident does indeed illustrate
how irresponsible Bernie Ward has been for many years. There seems to
have been a pattern of reckless abandon over several decades. And it
further points to his need to get some help.
Stratum
> Now I’m sure a few of the sickos will drop to the wayside, and say
> “Enough is enough!” But then you watch, there will be plenty of
> others, perhaps perverts themselves
This is precisely the sort of dumbell who listens to KGO.
How would you like to work alongside him all day and listen
to tales of lurking preverts and be summoned over to his
desk several times a day to get an eyeful of what he just
found on the Web?
Stratum
> I hardly ever listen to Brian Copeland live, however I heard what he
> was talking about and couldn't resist. Brian Copeland went on to say that
> there was a woman who used to work at KGO. She was a pal to everyone, you
> could tell dirty jokes and she wouldn't flinch. Then Copeland says one day
> in about 2000, she came into his studio with a white face like she had seen
> a ghost. Coplend then said the woman told him that she walked in on Bernie
> Ward masturbating while on the air doing God Talk. Bernie then said to her
> that it was stupid as he was having sex with a woman online.
Wowza! Compelling radio. Looks like they're spicing things
up on Front St. A day without KGO is like missing a televised
police chase through the streets of L.A.
Dunno when Copie is on, but I think I was listening to a
discussion by those two wild and crazy guys, Ken Taylor
and John Perry on "Philosophy Talk" on KALW. (They're
on from 10 to 11 am.) They were talking about Karl
Popper, advocate for the idea that science progresses
by an "evolution" of problem solving. (This was the
thesis in his book _All Life Is Problem Solving_.) The
idea is that the scientific community rejects unsound
hypotheses so that the hardiest survive. Sort of
like Wikipedia articles.
Did we establish that Brian Copeland is unrelated to
Aaron Copland?
> Bernie said it was wreckless.
I can imagine. Unprotected sex on-line with a stranger
can lead to all kinds of complications. A woman
shows up at your door a year later with a virtual
baby and announces he's yours. You reach
out to go kitchy-kitchy-koo and the virtual
little bastard bites your finger off.
So what was the upshot? Did LAPD nab
their guy in the end?
Once, in about 1975, my house in Mar
Vista had been broken into for the
second time and I was due to ship over
to Europe for a few weeks within 48 hours
and had little time to spend on the matter.
A polite LAPD officer comes over to take
his pro-forma report and recognizes that
he's been there before taking another
burglary report and we kid about ways
we could automate the thing. This of
course is long before e-mail. (I will
be burglarized once more before I
give up and move down to
Westchester where I've bought a
house for $45 K.)
Later, much later that night, there's a
police chase up and down McLaughlin
Ave. in front of my house. I have an
all-band receiver on a night table next
to my bed which miraculoulsy wasn't
heisted, and I turn it on to listen in on
the goings-on outside my door, and
pretty soon find a channel where I can
hear the same siren in the background
that I can hear outside my bedroom
window.
As they turn the corner up at Venice
Blvd. or in the other direction down at
Washington Way, they describe their
actions to a police dispatcher.
A car zooms by outside at what must
be more than 80 mph, and I hear a voice
on the radio give out with the understatement
of the evening: "Hey, we're speeding!"
McLaughlin Avenue is classified as a
secondary thoughfare, the continuation
of Barrington Ave. in West Los Angeles.
The neighborhood is two miles inland,
east of Venice High School. In the
mid-1970s, its makeup was mixed
middle and lower-middle class.
Craf...@aol.com
so let me get this right..Brian Copeland was a direct witness to
Bernie playing with himself in a closed room while on the air? Or is
Brian reporting a hearsay comment from a co-worker. Hearsay and
Direct Witness ...two very different things. and this just a few
months before sentencing...that Bernie masturbated to adult (perfectly
legal) porn on a computer....is Brian saying he knows Bernie ever took
an illicit picture of a child or actually touched a child? I heard
Brian mention something about bernie and a nine year old's
penis ..Does B rian have specifc such knowledge? of course not.
Should people masturbate at work? not a good idea. Does Brian think
there ought to be more years in prison for Bernie now..because of
Brian's hearsay experience? and Brian's close personal friend at the
Department of Justice.. why is that person violating federal statutes
by leaking grand jury information to Brian.?.and let me get this other
one thing straight(and yes, I will talk about it again,unlike Brian
who is now puking in a trash can...or is he going to a book signing?)
just this one thing....for the moment....Brian had in his mind
illegally leaked info from his friend that Bernie was to be
indicted....and thus invited Bernie to be on his talk show to talk
about a pedophile who talked and thought about pedophilia ..but hadn't
been charged with actually touching a child? hmmmm ..sounds like a
curious dynamic for one who so loved Bernie. For the record....you
can THINK about anything you want....even killing someone, blowing up
the world,assassinating someone, having sex with anyone or
anything...That is not a crime..You aren't prosecuted for
"premeditation"...but rather for the resulting crime. Bernie's crime
wasn't in thinking about any children in a sexually charged way..his
crime was in TRANSMITTING and internet available image to another
person, that darling ,upstanding mom of all moms....sex fairy..
Should we have Thought crimes? discuss
gvk...@yahoo.com
> You have never walked in on a guy masturbating in an unusual or
> dangerous place?
Uh, NO........ but while it may not be unusual, doing it while
hosting the show "God Talk" and being on air with callers, places
Bernie's theological advice in a different perspective. Places him
right up there with some of his heros like Jimmy Swaggert except
Swaggert finally faced his flock and said "I have sinned". Bernie
has yet to acknowledge his sin in the moral sense, but has only
admitted to "technically" violating a misunderstood law.
>
> Masturbating in the KGO studio has nothing to do with the charge
> against Bernie, and thus there was no reason to mention it.
Per the SF Chronicle Dec. 7, 2007
---Ward told The Chronicle late Thursday--- "None of this was for
titillation or entertainment."
I suppose back in 2000-2001 that his masturbating in studio, while
doing God Talk was also void of titillation.
So, has the lie ended yet for Bernie? As of a week ago, we know he
was still lying to Karel.
His attorneys, speaking on his behalf, have continued to send out the
statement that this was just the case of a good man not understanding
the law, but that technically he did break it, however with
honorable intentions.
May 8th, 2008, "Weinberg told the judge that Ward was "a man with an
impeccable record of service to his community" and that the crime
involved "an error of judgment rather than sexual proclivities."
And Mr. Kaye sits back to engage in the honored tradition of splitting
hairs.
Peter
> Brian had in his mind
> illegally leaked info from his friend that Bernie was to be
> indicted....and thus invited Bernie to be on his talk show to talk
> about a pedophile who talked and thought about pedophilia ..but hadn't
> been charged with actually touching a child? hmmmm ..sounds like a
> curious dynamic for one who so loved Bernie.
Sounds to me like the same kind of entrapment that sexfairy2005 used,
once she became aware of "Vincentlio's" identity.
I question Brian's motives, if, as you said, Brian's actions were based
upon improperly given, and improperly received information, from an
officer of the Court to Brian.
> For the record....you
> can THINK about anything you want....even killing someone, blowing up
> the world,assassinating someone, having sex with anyone or
> anything...That is not a crime..You aren't prosecuted for
> "premeditation"...but rather for the resulting crime. Bernie's crime
> wasn't in thinking about any children in a sexually charged way..his
> crime was in TRANSMITTING and internet available image to another
> person, that darling ,upstanding mom of all moms....sex fairy..
Have you seen her web site?
Disgusting.
> Should we have Thought crimes?
Thoughts are not protected by the Constitution of the United States
because the Founders realized that thoughts do not require protection
... they are implicitly an individual right and did not need to be
enumerated there or anywhere else.
It is only when one's thoughts are "externalized", when they affect a
second party, that there is an issue of protection, and that protection
is afforded to the second party, and not to the individual.
As long as I keep my thoughts to myself, there is no crime. Ever.
(Now, hypothetically speaking, I might choose to reveal my thoughts to
a mental health professional, or to my clergy, when seeking counsel and
guidance, but that is no crime, either, and it is protected by
confidentiality).
Should I and another adult choose to "actualize" those thoughts, say,
as in a "roleplay" [ * ] then the second party is a knowing
participant, and there is no crime, either. Unless, hypothetically,
that other adult utters the "safe word", and I do not imediately stop
whatever is being actualized.
[ * ] Roleplaying has a bad name, now, but in the '30s and '40s when
my dad was doing his research for his PhD (Stanford University, 1949)
in experimental methods in education, roleplaying was recognized as a
significant adjunct in certain psychotherapeutic situations, primarily
in group psychotherapy.
My dad was licensed to practice psychotherapy in California, and was a
member of the American Psychological Association.
This is quite different from the kind of "roleplaying" which Vincentlio
and sexfairy2005 were doing.
The former was for a clinical purpose, the latter was for a sexual purpose.
--
"I will fight terror as if there was no problem with Bush, and I will
fight Bush as if there was no problem with terror" - John Rothmann
--
Peter
Ciccio
> You have never walked in on a guy masturbating in an unusual or
> dangerous place? Happens all the time. Thrill of the danger or
> something.
I don't know where you frequent, but to answer your question...No. And
I was born and raised in SF, specifically in North Beach. I even
worked in the TL. Regardless, of how common it is in your experience,
Ward doing such while at work, where he could be seen, is perverted.
> Masturbating in the KGO studio has nothing to do with the charge
I agree.
> against Bernie, and thus there was no reason to mention it.
I disagree. It's more insight as to the pervert Ward is.
> I agree. No purpose was served by airing this argument except to tittilate the audience.
What Copie was trying to say is that Ward was trying to rationalize it
because Ward is a pervert. That is pretty weak. It was talk radio
entertainment. That would be like playing the song "Young Girl" and
then saying Gary Puckett, personally, was rationalizing molesting
underage girls.
Ciccio
Symp EL
"John Slade" <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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WOW! Bernie defending Bernie!
Brian, please do not feel guilty about airing this. Bernie is one hell of a
perv!
Ciccio
> On 2008-05-18 12:13:45 -0700, Craft...@aol.com said:
> Sounds to me like the same kind of entrapment that sexfairy2005 used,
> once she became aware of "Vincentlio's" identity.
She didn't learn Ward's identity until AFTER the sessions.
> Have you seen her web site?
>
> Disgusting.
Man, how disgusting Ward must be to disgust such a disgusting person.
Ciccio
Craf...@aol.com
> "John Slade" <hhitma...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
Brian...is not feeling guilty at all..why would you think he was
feeling guilty? Brian could actually expand the topic...and go on a
crusade to bust all people who ever "pleasure themselves" or have any
kind of sexual experience in the workplace. Any person who has had a
sexual experience at work..especially if it involved a computer image
or conversation around adult sexuality...could be called out as
perverts. What do you think?
Craf...@aol.com
and Brian wouldn't have to personally...directly witness
ANYTHING....You just tell Brian..and he will say he was a direct
witness..even though he would be a hearsay witness..
Symp EL
<Craf...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Are you defending yourself Christine?
Peter
> Have you seen her web site?
>
> Disgusting.
10 years in the lifestyle and looking for subs to join me. If you are
looking for a caring yet strict mistress then you have found the right
domme.
My Ideal Person:
looking for slaves that are true to themselves and to the lifestyle.
Cuckhold, travel slaves, maids, pussy worship, ass worship, feet
worship, fiancial domination, cagging, flogging, bondage and everything
that tickles my fancy. In the "vanilla" i want you to be a true
gentleman and then when those doors close i want you groveling at my
feet.
Craf...@aol.com
> <Craft...@aol.com> wrote in message
monring..and making the distinction between witnessing something and
hearsay knowledge. and I'm asking you...if the hearsay is
true..should Bernie have to do a longer sentence because looking at
adult pictures or having sexual conversations on a work computer is
really stupid? or indicates that someone is a pervert.? I believe
that if anyone would had ever had such an internet chat at work.. is
stupid...but all perverts??? who should go to prison??
no....apparently you think differently.
Ciccio
> 10 years in the lifestyle and looking for subs to join me. If you are
> looking for a caring yet strict mistress then you have found the right
> domme.
>
> My Ideal Person:
> looking for slaves that are true to themselves and to the lifestyle.
> Cuckhold, travel slaves, maids, pussy worship, ass worship, feet
> worship, fiancial domination, cagging, flogging, bondage and everything
> that tickles my fancy. In the "vanilla" i want you to be a true
> gentleman and then when those doors close i want you groveling at my
> feet.
And nary a mention of child porn.
Ciccio
Craf...@aol.com
"anything that ticles her fancy"? that mom of the year?
Ciccio
> "anything that ticles her fancy"? that mom of the year?
Yet, what Ward sent was so over-the-top perverted, she called the
cops...
Ciccio
Symp EL
<Craf...@aol.com> wrote in message
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You defending Bernie sounds like Bernie defending the pedophile guy on
Brian's show.
DWA...@gmail.com
Wow! Great advice from Christine Craft: "Not a good idea to
masturbate at work". ha ha! And certainly not a good idea while
you're hosting "God Talk" and at the same time saying, "How terrible
the hypocrites on the right are". And yet Christine still thinks
Bernie was writing a book, huh? Talk about "curious dynamics"! Having
learned what we've learned over the past five months, I would stand
by the character and morals of a Brian Copeland over the character &
morals of Bernie Ward any day. But of course Christine Craft marches
to a different drummer. The victims, the little pre-pubescent boys &
girls, mean nothing, and Bernie Ward is the victim, If you are to
believe her.
Once the fawning defenders of Bernie admit to the truth, and more
importantly Bernie admits to the truth, the healing process can
begin. But instead, Christine wants to throw around her profound
grasp of law to say Bernie was just trying to "express himself",
within, of course, the constraints of the law, and "Brian Copeland is
the bad guy!" And she would have you believe the same for Ronn Owens,
John Rothmann, and Pat Thurston who are extremely knowledgeable and
professional hosts and maintain a very similar viewpoint to Brian
Copeland. Sure, there are always people on two sides of an issue,
but Christine Craft sure comes across rather pathetic. Perhaps she
doesn't care, just as long as she can garner an extra vote or two for
the "Bernie Ward Time Slot". Let's discuss.
Craf...@aol.com
where did I say..Bernie was writing a book about a specific topic???
I said I had a conversation in the hallway with him about writing
books in general..about the discipline required to actually write a
book. I said very specifically that I did not speak with Bernie about
what his book was about...only that he discussed with me that he was
writing one...this was not hearsay....this was a direct
conversation....The people who want to keep piling on Bernie when his
life is already destroyed and he is going to prison....have apparently
never looked at pornography of any kind or had any kind of
masturbatory thoughts while at work ..or while driving their cars...or
in any "dangeous" environment...now have they? Where did I say Bernie
was just "trying to express himself" That's a quote..you are
attributing to me..Where are you finding that quote?.....please
cite??? you can't because you pulled it out of your butt. And if you
think I'm defending Bernie against the thought police...you'd be
right..If you think I'm doing it to garner more "votes" to get the
10-1 job....."votes" from whom? discuss. Maybe I just want Bernie to
survive all of this...redeem himself and have a life when he is out of
federal prison. ...Also let me make it very clear..I am not an
attorney-at-law, I'm a lawyer.
<Kelly>
> "anything that ticles her fancy"? that mom of the year?
What? Moms are only supposed to want vanilla, missionary position
sex? For once I actually agree with Ciccio - no matter how off-the-
wall SexFairy's sexual needs/wants may seem, she drew the line at
child porn, and Bernie didn't.
Seems pretty clear to me, counselor.
<Kelly>
> Wow! Great advice from Christine Craft: "Not a good idea to
> masturbate at work". ha ha!
I thought the wording was a little odd, myself.
> And certainly not a good idea while
> you're hosting "God Talk" and at the same time saying, "How terrible
> the hypocrites on the right are". And yet Christine still thinks
> Bernie was writing a book, huh? Talk about "curious dynamics"! Having
> learned what we've learned over the past five months, I would stand
> by the character and morals of a Brian Copeland over the character &
> morals of Bernie Ward any day. But of course Christine Craft marches
> to a different drummer. The victims, the little pre-pubescent boys &
> girls, mean nothing, and Bernie Ward is the victim, If you are to
> believe her.
Almost sounds like an attorney for Bernie Ward's defense, doesn't she?
<Kelly>
> You defending Bernie sounds like Bernie defending the pedophile guy on
> Brian's show.
That was a low-blow.
Craf...@aol.com
I didn't say anything about Ronn...or John or Pat..or Susie Q. I was
commenting on Brian's show this morning where he claimed to be a
"direct witness" to Bernie's in-studio behavior. He WAS NOT a direct
witness..but a hearsay witness..telling us about something someone had
told him about what Bernie did in the studio. Brian also talked about
his good friend at DOJ who tipped him to bernie' spending indictment ,
(it's a violation of federal law to leak grand jury indictments) a
fact Brian claims to have known when he brought up the subject of a
self-described pedophile who didn't touch children ..but thought and
wrote about his thoughts and posted non-sexual images of chldren and
then wrote sexual things about the non-sexual images and prompted a
discussion of "thought crime"...Brian says that knowing what only he
knew about Bernie's pending legal woes...he invited Bernie on his
subsequent program to continue this argument about a subject very
dangerous to Bernie's future. I have no problem whatsoever with Brian
playing that tape on KGO today, even though I disagree with Brian's
argument..criminalizing thoughts and not deeds. My problem was with
Brian talking about hearsay with regard to Bernie's in-studio
activities as he heard from someone else..and stating them years after
the fact in a forum that can only further harm Bernie's chances of
ever recovering from all this..while stating that he has the highest
respect for Bernie's family. I was and am not charmed by that part of
my colleague's choices this morning and I have told him so, quite
directly.
Symp EL
"<Kelly>" <316...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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That was a low-blow.
Probably, but she knows Bernie is guilty and Bernie knew what that guy was
doing is wrong. He was only defending himself.
<Kelly>
> "<Kelly>" <316k...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > That was a low-blow.
Granted. However, by stating that Christine sounds like Bernie
defending the pedophile you are implying that Christine is a
pedophile. That's not right no matter how you try to justify it, IMO.
John Slade
<Craf...@aol.com> wrote in message
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If you had read what I wrote in the OP. You would not be asking this
question.
> Or is
>Brian reporting a hearsay comment from a co-worker. Hearsay and
>Direct Witness ...two very different things.
You obviously didn't read what I said. You seem to be making stuff up.
I explained what Copeland said now if you can't comprehend what I wrote,
then mabe some remedial reading classes would be in order.
> and this just a few
>months before sentencing...that Bernie masturbated to adult (perfectly
>legal) porn on a computer....is Brian saying he knows Bernie ever took
>an illicit picture of a child or actually touched a child?
Do you suffer from schizophrenia or hallucination? I don't remember
saying any of that nor do I remember Brian Copeland saying Bernie was a
child molester. I do know the Bernie Ward took child pornography and
distributed it. Then he made up tales about how he liked the penis of one of
his son's friends. I heard how he made up a scene about how his daughter was
involved. It's really sick shit to make up, I suggest you read it.
> I heard
>Brian mention something about bernie and a nine year old's
>penis ..Does B rian have specifc such knowledge?
I didn't hear the comment but I did hear Brian apologize for saying it.
>Should people masturbate at work? not a good idea. Does Brian think
>there ought to be more years in prison for Bernie now..because of
>Brian's hearsay experience?
Maybe you should ask Brian what he thinks, my name isn't Kreskin, David
Blane or Uri Geller. I don't read minds. All I can do is report what he
said.
> and Brian's close personal friend at the
>Department of Justice.. why is that person violating federal statutes
>by leaking grand jury information to Brian.?
How do you know it wasn't public knowledge and was protected information
by law. Where is your evidence that there was a federal gag order. Seems to
me the minute the charges were filed, they were public knowledge.
>.and let me get this other
>one thing straight(and yes, I will talk about it again,unlike Brian
>who is now puking in a trash can...or is he going to a book signing?)
I think he said he felt like puking, he didn't actually do it AFAIK.
>just this one thing....for the moment....Brian had in his mind
|>illegally leaked info from his friend that Bernie was to be
>indicted....and thus invited Bernie to be on his talk show to talk
>about a pedophile who talked and thought about pedophilia ..but hadn't
>been charged with actually touching a child?
I never heard Copeland accuse Ward of touching a child and as I
remember it was a convesation about free speech. The subject was putting up
info on how to molest kids and Bernie was defending it as free speech and
Copeland was against it. I do think Copeland was way out of line in asking
Bernie how the subject had effected him.
> hmmmm ..sounds like a
>curious dynamic for one who so loved Bernie.
Well now I don't know about their personal relationship but from what I
hear they were friends, Copeland had no reason to lie about this. I also
think that the conspiracy nutballs are saying that they targeted Bernie
because he's a liberal talk show host. That would be pretty dumb because
Bernie is a liberal in a liberal market, it's not likely. So I don't think
Copeland was part of some vast right-wing conspiracy. However he may have
done it out of disgust. I can think of a few guys in prison who will not
distiguish someone who is spreading kiddie porn and telling perverted
stories about his kids and a real child molester. Let's hope Ward doesn't
have to deal with the general population of a maximum security prison like
San Quinten.
> For the record....you
>can THINK about anything you want....even killing someone, blowing up
>the world,assassinating someone, having sex with anyone or
>anything...That is not a crime..
Yea I know.
>You aren't prosecuted for
>"premeditation"...but rather for the resulting crime. Bernie's crime
>wasn't in thinking about any children in a sexually charged way..his
>crime was in TRANSMITTING and internet available image to another
>person, that darling ,upstanding mom of all moms....sex fairy..
Well I'm glad she called the feds when Bernie started sending her kiddie
porn. Seems that now Bernie will get help. I also didn't get the image that
some conspiracy idiots are pushing that she's some republican operative on a
mission to take down talk show hosts. That's pretty laughable.
I see people defending Bernie and lambasting ths Sex Fairy woman and
Bernie said much sicker shit than she did online. I think you should ask
Brian Copeland on your show sometime next week he can do a lot better job of
explaining his thoughts as I'm not a mind reader.
About Bernie Ward. He was one of my heroes. But he did sick things and
said sick things. He's sick and he needs help. The excuse that he was
writing a book is complete horse shit any fool can see that. What does
talking to a dominatrix, sending kiddie porn and telling sick stories about
his kids have to do with hypocrisy in the church? Is Sex Fairy a preistess?
Is she a church official? Is she even catholic? Well I believe Brain when he
said Bernie was masturbating while chatting online in 2001. When I read his
transcripts he sure seemed that he really used to talking like that. Using
"dom" instead of "dominate" or "dominating". You believe what you want and I
bet you'll be the first person to buy that book when it comes out. Oh and
one more thing, you may try reading the entire post before making comments
about it.
John
John Slade
<DWA...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 18, 12:13 pm, Craft...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Should people masturbate at work? not a good idea.
>
> Wow! Great advice from Christine Craft: "Not a good idea to
> masturbate at work". ha ha!
Well what if the person makes porno movies for a living? I suspect it
would be great to masturbate at work. Sound's like a fun job to me. ;)
And certainly not a good idea while
> you're hosting "God Talk" and at the same time saying, "How terrible
> the hypocrites on the right are". And yet Christine still thinks
> Bernie was writing a book, huh?
Nah she's not that stupid. At least I hope not. She's intelligent even
though I can't stand to listen to her show for more than 10 minutes. She's
not that gullible. But then again she believed Hillary Clinton was dodging
sniper fire on her trip even after Sinbad said it was horse shit. I don't
get some of these political talk show hosts. I have little respect for
someone defending lies like Hillary Clinton told. It was obviously a lie but
hey they'll defend it. Now they're still pushing this shit about Bernie
writing a book. Yea right.
>Talk about "curious dynamics"! Having
> learned what we've learned over the past five months, I would stand
> by the character and morals of a Brian Copeland over the character &
> morals of Bernie Ward any day.
Make that two of us. I don't like what Brian did but I can understand
why he did it. He wanted to put Bernie on the spot for trading kiddie porn.
He almost did.
> But of course Christine Craft marches
> to a different drummer. The victims, the little pre-pubescent boys &
> girls, mean nothing, and Bernie Ward is the victim, If you are to
> believe her.
>
I can't wait to hear what Ray Taliaferro has to say about it after his
vacation. He sure picked the right time to go on vacation. He's one of
Bernie's oldest friends at KGO.
> Once the fawning defenders of Bernie admit to the truth, and more
> importantly Bernie admits to the truth, the healing process can
> begin. But instead, Christine wants to throw around her profound
> grasp of law to say Bernie was just trying to "express himself",
> within, of course, the constraints of the law, and "Brian Copeland is
> the bad guy!" And she would have you believe the same for Ronn Owens,
> John Rothmann, and Pat Thurston who are extremely knowledgeable and
> professional hosts and maintain a very similar viewpoint to Brian
> Copeland. Sure, there are always people on two sides of an issue,
> but Christine Craft sure comes across rather pathetic. Perhaps she
> doesn't care, just as long as she can garner an extra vote or two for
> the "Bernie Ward Time Slot". Let's discuss.
I'm just waiting for Karel's show tonight. I'm a regular in his chat
room and will probably call him tonight and talk about this issue.
If Bernie was jerking off during his weekday show, it wouldn't be a
think wrong with it. I'm sure many talk show hosts have had sex while on the
air, but while doing God Talk? That's just wrong. Not that he should go to
jail or anything for it though.
John
David Kaye
> I knew some pervert (e.g "S.F. David Kaye") would continue to "carry
> the flag" for Bernie, no matter what.
I have been on record here MANY times saying that I DIDN'T LISTEN to
Bernie Ward because his continuous negative political talk was boring
to me. Night after night of negativism drove me away a couple years
ago.
Bernie Ward means nothing to me.
But, like most people with an axe to grind, you don't care to see
that. You only see what you want to see.
John Slade
"David Kaye" <sfdavi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On May 18, 11:00 am, Ciccio <frances...@comcast.net> wrote:
> [Ward masturbating while working in the studio]
> Man, the hits just keep on coming about what a pervert Ward is.
>You have never walked in on a guy masturbating in an unusual or
>dangerous place? Happens all the time. Thrill of the danger or
>something.
This kind of thing happens to you a lot? I've walked in on somone having
sex at a job but never jerking off. Oh and this happened once in my life.
>Masturbating in the KGO studio has nothing to do with the charge
>against Bernie, and thus there was no reason to mention it. But,
>Brian is an entertainer. Were people entertained by the comment? I
>don't know; I haven't played back the 2nd hour.
> >The tape of Ward and Copie sparring, was not telling at all. That
> >type of exchange is often heard in college freshman classes.
>I agree. No purpose was served by airing this argument except to
>tittilate the audience.
It worked. I was rivited.
Tell me this. Do you think Bernie was actually doing research for his
book when he did these crimes?
John
David Kaye
> Uh, NO........ but while it may not be unusual, doing it while
> hosting the show "God Talk" and being on air with callers,
> places Bernie's theological advice in a different perspective. [....]
Oh, the whole idea is absurd on its face, whether it be during God
Talk or at any other time. There is nothing special about God Talk.
What he was doing was inappropriate whether it be during God Talk or
during a newscast.
Some people simply are masochists and want to do dangerous things, and
want to get caught. I could never understand masochists, and probably
never will, but I do know that there are a LOT of them out there.
John Slade
<leansto...@democrat.com> wrote in message
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> On May 18, 10:03 am, "John Slade" <hhitma...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> I hardly ever listen to Brian Copeland live, however I heard what
>> he
>> was talking about and couldn't resist. Brian Copeland went on to say that
>> there was a woman who used to work at KGO. She was a pal to everyone, you
>> could tell dirty jokes and she wouldn't flinch. Then Copeland says one
>> day
>> in about 2000, she came into his studio with a white face like she had
>> seen
>> a ghost. Coplend then said the woman told him that she walked in on
>> Bernie
>> Ward masturbating while on the air doing God Talk. Bernie then said to
>> her
>> that it was stupid as he was having sex with a woman online. Bernie said
>> it
>> was wreckless. Copeland and the woman said they didn't go to management
>> of
>> KGO because they didn't want Bernie to lose his job. I must say a year
>> ago I
>> would be shocked. Not now. Copeland went on to play a discussion he had
>> with
>> kids. Bernie Ward defended the right to post it but said it was terrible.
>> Copeland disagreed. All while this was going on Copeland knew about
>> Bernie's
>> coming indictment and the charges. He even asked Bernie if he should go
>> into
>> how this subject had effected Bernie personally.
>>
>> This happened in the first hour of Copeland's show. Now I guess the
>> callers are next. Copeland says he's getting a ton of hate mail and it
>> might
>> be his last show.
>>
>> John
>
What are you talking about?
John
David Kaye
> I don't know where you frequent, but to answer your question...No. And
> I was born and raised in SF, specifically in North Beach.
For two years I owned a small company moving furniture, office
products, etc., where I often went to warehouses, loading docks,
etc.
In those two years I saw this happen behind stacks of boxes (one time
there was such a big shadow on a wall that anybody with half a brain
could have seen what was going on), in a truck where a driver was
waiting for a pickup, and in the stockroom of a diner I used to
frequent. (No, it wasn't a gay restaurant, it was the Denny's in
Emeryville.)
> What Copie was trying to say is that Ward was trying to rationalize it
> because Ward is a pervert. That is pretty weak.
VERY weak. It was tittilation that served no purpose except to make
KGO look like a really slimy radio station. I'd hate to see KGO sink
as low as KGO-TV.
David Kaye
> Wowza! Compelling radio. Looks like they're spicing things
> up on Front St. A day without KGO is like missing a televised
> police chase through the streets of L.A.
That's my conclusion exactly. Maybe next time the KGO Jet Copter will
be chasing the straight couples making out on the Marina Green....
David Kaye
>
> Are you defending yourself Christine?
I would say that as a woman, Christine has probably been subjected to
more unwanted male sexualness than any of us men have. My ex-
girlfriend was subjected to lots of masturbating males over the
years. She had a sense of humor about it, though. She'd walk up to
the guy, clap loudly, and shout "BRAVO!" Ballsiest woman I've ever
known...
<Kelly>
> On May 18, 12:16 pm, gvk2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Uh, NO........ but while it may not be unusual, doing it while
> > hosting the show "God Talk" and being on air with callers,
> > places Bernie's theological advice in a different perspective. [....]
>
> Oh, the whole idea is absurd on its face, whether it be during God
> Talk or at any other time. There is nothing special about God Talk.
> What he was doing was inappropriate whether it be during God Talk or
> during a newscast.
It matters because the listeners to God Talk likely saw Bernie as a
religious and/or spiritual authority, especially considering his past
life as a Catholic priest. As I have said before, there is a
different type of trust between people when one of them is a spiritual
leader or authority. Beyond that, according to the code of spiritual
ethics Bernie likely subscribes to, someone doing the work of a
Christian spiritual leader or authority is supposed to be a human
"representative" of Jesus. Once again, with that kind of identity in
mind, the whole thing takes on a different perspective to those who
believe in such.
> Some people simply are masochists and want to do dangerous things, and
> want to get caught. I could never understand masochists, and probably
> never will, but I do know that there are a LOT of them out there.
Personally, I think Bernie wanted to get caught. And if the claims of
his former femail students are true, I think he's wanted to get caught
for a very long time.
<Kelly>
> Personally, I think Bernie wanted to get caught. And if the claims of
> his former femail students are true, I think he's wanted to get caught
> for a very long time.
Geez...did I really write "femail" - oy vey. Of course, I meant
"female".
David Kaye
> should Bernie have to do a longer sentence because looking at
> adult pictures or having sexual conversations on a work computer is
> really stupid? or indicates that someone is a pervert.? I believe
> that if anyone would had ever had such an internet chat at work.. is
> stupid...but all perverts??? who should go to prison??
> no....apparently you think differently
In my main career I remove malicious programs from computers (malware,
spyware, adware, viruses, etc) and replace hardware, set up networks,
etc. I do this in a lot of homes and businesses.
In about 1/3 the cases there are naked photos on the computer in
question. One of the largest infestations of malware I found also had
one of the largest collections of porn. It was on a computer at a
major bank. The person was an executive vice president, the #3 person
in his region.
Naturally, I do not comment on any particulars about anything I find
on anybody's computer. I'm stating this right now to say that people
DO indeed use computers to view porn at work, and it's widespread.
DWA...@gmail.com
Now, come on!!! There's a big difference between a straight couple,
or gay couple for that matter, making out on the Marina Green and
Bernie Ward pleasuring himself behind the mic of God Talk, don't you
think? I guess the 'copter would give the story an unusual angle.
It might be different if Bernie were up and coming, but gosh he's
been around a while.
Ciccio
> VERY weak. It was tittilation that served no purpose except to make
> KGO look like a really slimy radio station. I'd hate to see KGO sink
> as low as KGO-TV.
It was a weak argument, though it wasn't slimy. What Ward did was
slimy. What Copie did, albeit inartfully, was more like a meta-
reference vis a vis KGO talk show entertainment,
Ciccio
Stratum
>
> > You have never walked in on a guy masturbating in an unusual or
> > dangerous place?
>
> hosting the show "God Talk" and being on air with callers, places
> right up there with some of his heros like Jimmy Swaggert except
> Swaggert finally faced his flock and said "I have sinned". Bernie
> has yet to acknowledge his sin in the moral sense, but has only
> admitted to "technically" violating a misunderstood law.
>
>
>
> > Masturbating in the KGO studio has nothing to do with the charge
> > against Bernie, and thus there was no reason to mention it.
>
>
> ---Ward told The Chronicle late Thursday--- "None of this was for
> titillation or entertainment."
>
> I suppose back in 2000-2001 that his masturbating in studio, while
> doing God Talk was also void of titillation.
> So, has the lie ended yet for Bernie? As of a week ago, we know he
> was still lying to Karel.
You mean all this prudish talk and insider info possessed
by Daly (sp?) and Higdon (and I presume Rothmann and
rest of the crew), is about an activity that took place
seven or eight years ago? I had thought this
was something that happened recently just before
Ward was terminated at the end of 2007.
And what was this reference Craft made to
Copeland's inside knowledge of a pending
indictment which even the indictee didn't
know? If Copeland knew, then what other
KGO employees knew? I don't see how the
conclusion can be escaped that KGO acted to
deny Ward of means to defend himself by
cutting him off without funds something like
24 days after his indictment, and further, not
publicizing the fact.
I understand the other BW has been reticent. Is it
that he realizes his old nemesis got the shaft and
doesn't feel like joining in on the free-for-all?
What I already knew about KGO has only
been reenforced. It is an institution perdominantly
composed of cowards that targets dimwits. It is a
laughingstock fit only to perform its own mastubatory
exercises like feting "broadcast legends".
(Ever walked into a car dealership
and seen sketches of the sales members
on the wall and asked yourself what
these have to do with the reason why
you're there? That's what hoopla like
"broadcast legends" means to me.)
> His attorneys, speaking on his behalf, have continued to send out the
> statement that this was just the case of a good man not understanding
> the law, but that technically he did break it, however with
> honorable intentions.
But he did jerk off on the job seven or eight
years ago. Is that the gist of the new material?
Surely by now someone has turned up 145 of the
"15 to 150" images of child pornography in a desk
drawer where the accused could have a go on
slow nights, and I don't mean a go seven
or eight years ago.
Craf...@aol.com
so it is your belief that if someone dosn't actually molest a child or
take a picture of a child that is sexually explicit....but rather
talks about his unfulfilled pedophilia ...that he should be charged
with////a thought crime?//////. The pedophile guy that Brian talked
about and urged Bernie to talk about didn't molest any children...or
take sexually explicit pictures of children..but rather
pictures ...run of the mill pictures ...of kids in public places..and
then wrote about his unfulfilled pedophilic thoughts..What should the
penalty be? no law would forbid that now...it would be a "thought"
crime. In criminal law you need both the "mens rea"(the mental
intent) and the "actus reus"(or actual act) to form a crime. discuss.
gvk...@yahoo.com
> Bernie Ward pleasuring himself behind the mic of God Talk, don't you
> think? I guess the 'copter would give the story an unusual angle.
> It might be different if Bernie were up and coming,
OMG........wash the control panel, its happened again.........Lets go
to commercial
Craf...@aol.com
There are usually way more than two sides to an issue. and I challenge
you to tell me where I said Bernie was just trying to "express
himself" ..You have that in quotes. I didn't say that. The discussion
was about Brian's Copeland's piling on this morning. I didn't mention
John, Ronn,Pat , or Susie Q.I have no problem with Brian sticking up
for his support of "thought" crimes and his airing of that debate he
had with Bernie. My problem was with his claim to have directly
witnesses Bernie doing something sexually inappropriate in the
studio. He was not a direct witness...someone told him this..he was a
hearsay witness. He didn't witness diddly-squat.. He implied Bernie
was doing something with the reproductive organs of male nine year old
children...that was utterly without support in the record. Bernie
didn't touch any children...or photograph any chlldren. And as for
the stuff in the studio..the 30+ producer in question didn't observe
any kid porn or images or talk. ..If you think this will help me get
the big job at KGO......feel free.
zel...@gmail.com
pudenda of a child. Brian said, quite clearly, that for a certain
type of individual even being an eyewitness to Bernie holding the
penis of a nine-year old would not be an indictment of his character.
It was hyperbolic but it wasn't in any way an accusation.
Christine would take this a lot more seriously if Bernie had been
transmitting images of cats being put in compromising situations or if
someone were taking pictures of people's dogs at dog parks and then
blogging about all the ways he'd like to spray them for light brown
apple moths. Imagine her indignation!
gvk...@yahoo.com
He implied Bernie
> was doing something with the reproductive organs of male nine year old
> children...that was utterly without support in the record.
God, that you attempt to inject this here is so disingenuous
Christine.
Clearly Brian addressed this point and clarified that statement to a
caller.
NO one listening to the show, including you, could be mistaken about
that. But still you choose to bring it up as though it was "as you
portray it". Essentially a lie.
You have a most unlikeable trait when using this tactic repeatedly.
What is it about you that you bring this lawyerly knit picking here.
Say what you want, Brian was sincere. You on the other hand exhibit
traits quite the contrary.
The Wheel of Fortune is clicking and to this listener/viewer it
appears a certain number is coasting on by the mark.
Seems someone put a bit too much energy into the wheel, negative
energy.
David Kaye
> It matters because the listeners to God Talk likely saw Bernie as a
> religious and/or spiritual authority, [....]
Since when is being spiritual or religious equated with anti-sex?
While the Catholics have a hang-up about it, most other Christian
churches endorse sex. An elder of the LDS church, for instance, once
told me that the LDS is pro-sex. That seems evident, given the large
Mormon families that appear to be more the rule than the exception.
> Beyond that, according to the code of spiritual
> ethics Bernie likely subscribes to, someone doing the work of a
> Christian spiritual leader or authority is supposed to be a human
> "representative" of Jesus.
When did Jesus ever come out against sex?
Craf...@aol.com
you need to listen to the archive tape...Brian says he knew something
NO ONE ELSE KNEW...because he had an insider friend at DOJ who leaked
him information from the grand jury.
David Kaye
> Now, come on!!! There's a big difference between a straight couple,
> or gay couple for that matter, making out on the Marina Green and
> Bernie Ward pleasuring himself behind the mic of God Talk, don't you
> think?
Yes. The couple making out on the Marina Green is subjecting more
people to unwanted views of sex than a lone man in a radio studio on a
Sunday morning.
The other day I drove by a bus stop on Fillmore Street not far from
the Marina Green. A 20-something woman was, uh, pleasuring a 20-
something man at a bus stop. They tried to conceal it a bit with a
coat, but it was obvious what was going on.
David Kaye
> But he did jerk off on the job seven or eight
> years ago. Is that the gist of the new material?
According to Copie, yes, which makes this revelation even more slimy.
I guess I'll never end up going out for that burrito at Puerto Alegre
with Copie now...
<Kelly>
> Since when is being spiritual or religious equated with anti-sex?
When did I say it was?
> While the Catholics have a hang-up about it, most other Christian
> churches endorse sex. An elder of the LDS church, for instance, once
> told me that the LDS is pro-sex.
Oh yes - LDS are very pro sex. It's part of their religion,
actually. Giving earthly bodies to "spirit babies" and all.
> That seems evident, given the large
> Mormon families that appear to be more the rule than the exception.
See above.
> When did Jesus ever come out against sex?
<sigh> When did I say anything about being anti-sex, David?
I do believe, however, that the listeners of God Talk have a
reasonable expectation that the host of the show for that day is not
having online sex-chats and masturbating while discussing Christianity
and/or religion on what most Christians consider "the Lord's day".
Stratum
> > You mean all this prudish talk and insider info possessed
> > by Daly (sp?) and Higdon (and I presume Rothmann and
> > rest of the crew), is about an activity that took place
> > seven or eight years ago? I had thought this
> > was something that happened recently just before
> > Ward was terminated at the end of 2007.
>
> > And what was this reference Craft made to
> > Copeland's inside knowledge of a pending
> > indictment which even the indictee didn't
> > know? If Copeland knew, then what other
> > KGO employees knew? I don't see how the
> > conclusion can be escaped that KGO acted to
> > deny Ward of means to defend himself by
> > cutting him off without funds something like
> > 24 days after his indictment, and further, not
> > publicizing the fact.
Christine Craft responds:
> you need to listen to the archive tape...Brian says he knew something
> NO ONE ELSE KNEW...because he had an insider friend at DOJ who leaked
> him information from the grand jury.
Boy, the guy with the spinal injury must *really* be throbbing.
I know something of the physical pain though not as
severely as he does, to read his post.
Haven't had a chance to dig up the archive. He might be
on meds or unable to concentrate. I could have related
to that at the time. As I said elsewhere,
I had discovered I could almost get by on Extra
Strength Tylenol, which although it had its problems,
was preferable to the prescribed opiate I was taking.
Near-scalding hot showers were also temporarily
soothing.
spamtr...@gmail.com
couple of points of confusion:
On May 18, 4:44 pm, "John Slade" <hhitma...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> <Craft...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f7b0908f-428e-49b9...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 18, 10:58 am, "John Slade" <hhitma...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > John
> >so let me get this right..Brian Copeland was a direct witness to
> >Bernie playing with himself in a closed room while on the air?
>
> If you had read what I wrote in the OP. You would not be asking this
> question.
Obviously Christine is going by what she heard while she was listening
to Copeland's show. You apparently heard something different. Is it
possible you were wrong?
> > Or is
> >Brian reporting a hearsay comment from a co-worker. Hearsay and
> >Direct Witness ...two very different things.
>
> You obviously didn't read what I said. You seem to be making stuff up.
> I explained what Copeland said now if you can't comprehend what I wrote,
> then mabe some remedial reading classes would be in order.
She's reporting what she heard on Copeland's show, which doesn't match
what you wrote. The original words are what's important, not anyone's
perhaps-incorrect interpretation of what was said. Perhaps your
listening comprehension skills are subpar.
>
> > and this just a few
> >months before sentencing...that Bernie masturbated to adult (perfectly
> >legal) porn on a computer....is Brian saying he knows Bernie ever took
> >an illicit picture of a child or actually touched a child?
>
> Do you suffer from schizophrenia or hallucination? I don't remember
> saying any of that nor do I remember Brian Copeland saying Bernie was a
> child molester.
Again, the subject is the Copeland show, and not the John Slade
interpretation of the Copeland show.
>I do know the Bernie Ward took child pornography and
> distributed it. Then he made up tales about how he liked the penis of one of
> his son's friends. I heard how he made up a scene about how his daughter was
> involved. It's really sick shit to make up, I suggest you read it.
The subject of this thread is today's Brian Copeland show, and not the
Bernie Ward Saga.
> > I heard
> >Brian mention something about bernie and a nine year old's
> >penis ..Does B rian have specifc such knowledge?
>
> I didn't hear the comment but I did hear Brian apologize for saying it.
Hmmm... Brian apologized for making a comment that John Slade did not
hear. Brian's apology is good evidence that he did make such a
comment, because we normally don't apologize for comments we didn't
make. So John Slade admits to not hearing at least one thing that
Copeland said in today's show, meaning that John Slade's account of
the show is admittedly faulty.
> About Bernie Ward. He was one of my heroes. But he did sick things and
> said sick things. He's sick and he needs help. The excuse that he was
> writing a book is complete horse shit any fool can see that.
Bernie said after he was arrested that he was writing a book about
hypocrisy at the time he was swapping child pornography. All Christine
said was that back at that time, Bernie told her he was writing a
book. Generally people do what they say they are going to do. So
Bernie's comment suggests he actually was writing a book on some
topic. Unless he already, at the time he traded child pornography,
cooked up a cover story to explain his interest.
zel...@gmail.com
Really?
>>So, Bernie's comment suggests he actually was writing a book on some
topic. Unless he already, at the time he traded child pornography,
cooked up a cover story to explain his interest.
In what kind of crazy Agatha Christie world something like that
happen? No. No. It makes much more sense that Bernie was researching
his book and in order to stay undetected he mentioned the exact number
of children he had along with their ages. Because when you're
undercover you want to make sure that your secret persona is as close
to your actual persona as possible.
spamtr...@gmail.com
> >>Generally people do what they say they are going to do.
>
> Really?
>
> >>So, Bernie's comment suggests he actually was writing a book on some
>
> topic. Unless he already, at the time he traded child pornography,
> cooked up a cover story to explain his interest.
>
> In what kind of crazy Agatha Christie world something like that
> happen? No. No.
Hmm... Perhaps Bernie was writing on Jowl Development in the Middle
Aged Irish American Male.
Stephen Denney
John Slade <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Message-ID: <TjZXj.4783$nW2....@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>
>
> I hardly ever listen to Brian Copeland live, however I heard what he
> was talking about and couldn't resist. Brian Copeland went on to say that
> there was a woman who used to work at KGO. She was a pal to everyone, you
> could tell dirty jokes and she wouldn't flinch. Then Copeland says one day
> in about 2000, she came into his studio with a white face like she had seen
> a ghost. Coplend then said the woman told him that she walked in on Bernie
> Ward masturbating while on the air doing God Talk. Bernie then said to her
> that it was stupid as he was having sex with a woman online. Bernie said it
> was wreckless. Copeland and the woman said they didn't go to management of
> KGO because they didn't want Bernie to lose his job. I must say a year ago I
> would be shocked. Not now. Copeland went on to play a discussion he had with
> Bernie Ward about an admitted sex offender posting info on how to molest
> kids. Bernie Ward defended the right to post it but said it was terrible.
> Copeland disagreed. All while this was going on Copeland knew about Bernie's
> coming indictment and the charges. He even asked Bernie if he should go into
> how this subject had effected Bernie personally.
If in fact Bernie was masturbating on the job, and we don't know that this
is true, then this should have been brought to the attention of his
supervisor at the time. But to bring it up now before the massive radio
audience of KGO doesn't seem right. It is reminiscent of all the
investigations of Bill Clinton's alleged sexual activities.
Either report it to Bernie's supervisor or not, but to wait seven years
later and then bring it up before the KGO radio audience is opportunistic
and unprofessional for a radio talk show host.
- Steve Denney
>
> This happened in the first hour of Copeland's show. Now I guess the
> callers are next. Copeland says he's getting a ton of hate mail and it might
> be his last show.
>
> John
>
>
> -- end of forwarded message --
>
DWA...@gmail.com
> John Slade <hhitma...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > Message-ID: <TjZXj.4783$nW2.2...@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>
No, it's not un-professional at all! Brian Copeland was sick of l
the few hosts like Karel and Kristine Kraft who continued to tell a
lie about Bernie. To say he was researching and writing a book and
all. And to hear the many listeners who said it was a "swift
boating" and a "vast right wing conspiracy"; that it was a piling-on.
Brian "did the right thing". He's not concerned about his paycheck
or kowtowing to Bernie's audience as a couple of the wannabee hosts
vying for the 10pm-1am slot have done.
Admittedly there were some hosts who could see through the BS, such as
John Rothman, Ronn Owens and Pat Thurston. But many people wanted to
continue living the lie. And Brian Copeland mentioned that there were
a number of "other incidents" that happened with Bernie that were not
proper, but he didn't elaborate. Sure, Bernie and his few
suppporters would like you to believe that this was an isolated one
photo mix-up on his understaning of the law; that there was no
titillation or sexual proclivities in these various transgressions.
But now we, of course, know otherwise.
The Karels & Krafts will continue to spew their nonsense of "friends
at any cost" and "I know he was writing a book", so that must be why
he was masturbating during God Talk. And believe me, if the incident
referred to by Brian were wrong, we all know that he would be subject
to a huge civil suit. My guess is that will never happen. Brian
concluded his show by saying, even if it was his last show, he wanted
to go out saying something meaningful, something important. Contrast
that with Kristine Kraft who called out over the airwaves about a week
ago or so saying she wish she could say something valuable or add
something for poor Bernie, but just couldn't. And though she inferred
that these transgressions must have had something to do with his book
and was "willing to testify" (OMG Kristine, what a pal!) she said she
"believed in redemption". Well hallelujah sister, sing it out. -
But ironically, she tosses the girls/women from Santa Rosa under the
school bus, and has not expressed any concern for the victims of the
child pornography; what a Pal!
leansto...@democrat.com
> commenting on Brian's show this morning where he claimed to be a
> "direct witness" to Bernie's in-studio behavior. He WAS NOT a direct
> witness..but a hearsay witness..telling us about something someone had
> told him about what Bernie did in the studio. Brian also talked about
> his good friend at DOJ who tipped him to bernie' spending indictment ,
> (it's a violation of federal law to leak grand jury indictments) a
> fact Brian claims to have known when he brought up the subject of a
> self-described pedophile who didn't touch children ..but thought and
> wrote about his thoughts and posted non-sexual images of chldren and
> then wrote sexual things about the non-sexual images and prompted a
> discussion of "thought crime"...Brian says that knowing what only he
> knew about Bernie's pending legal woes...he invited Bernie on his
> subsequent program to continue this argument about a subject very
> dangerous to Bernie's future. I have no problem whatsoever with Brian
> playing that tape on KGO today, even though I disagree with Brian's
> argument..criminalizing thoughts and not deeds. My problem was with
> Brian talking about hearsay with regard to Bernie's in-studio
> activities as he heard from someone else..and stating them years after
> the fact in a forum that can only further harm Bernie's chances of
> ever recovering from all this..while stating that he has the highest
> respect for Bernie's family. I was and am not charmed by that part of
> my colleague's choices this morning and I have told him so, quite
> directly.
It reeks of slash and burn to insure Bernie never works at KGO again.
Hey, now Judas Richardson doesn't look so bad.
Craf...@aol.com
I am not a "pal" to any of the damaged damsels in santa Rosa. If you
are so naive as to think Brian risked losing his show by doing two
hours of riveting radio as he did today....you'd be uninformed..The
women in Santa Rosa don't need redemption...Bernie does...and I
predict he'll find it..and I predict he'll be back on the radio
someday, somewhere and somehow. I think it's time to move on.nothing
to see here folks.
Stephen Denney
If a co-worker of mine came to me and told me she witnessed another
co-worker masturbating on the job, I would tell her to talk to her
supervisor. But I would not go to the press or broadcast on the air what
this co-worker told me. There are proper channels for dealing with such
behavior, and the first recourse is through the chain of command at your
workplace.
- Steve Denney
David Kaye
> Either report it to Bernie's supervisor or not, but to wait seven years
> later and then bring it up before the KGO radio audience is opportunistic
> and unprofessional for a radio talk show host.
I couldn't have said it better. Now I know I'm *really* not going to
get that burrito with Brian at Puerto Alegre. Well, it would taste
tainted anyway...
chuck kennedy
circuit TV in the lobby that shows the KGO on-air studio with the
camera trained on the host. It's shown even when there is no one in
the studio. My impression has been that it's always on and not just
when the host wants it on. Aside from that, those studios (even as
they were in 2000) are not all that private with people able to enter
and exit without warning.
I'm long past asking if anyone can be that dumb, but jeez, can anyone
really be dumb enough to masturbate while on the air knowing that any
worker could walk in and that he was on camera?
I've known Brian a long time and consider him a friend, so I believe
his account 100%. But I don't know the unnamed former producer at all
to be able to believe her or not. I wonder if that studio camera went
to tape at all; even so, I doubt that the tapes would have been
retained for very long.
I've known Bernie much longer -- he was the priest on a college
retreat I went on in late-70s or early-80s, and we stayed in touch
while he was at KGO. This whole story is a real heartbreak.
On May 18, 12:13 pm, Craft...@aol.com wrote:
> so let me get this right..Brian Copeland was a direct witness to
> Bernie playing with himself in a closed room while on the air? Or is
> Brian reporting a hearsay comment from a co-worker. Hearsay and
> Direct Witness ...two very different things. and this just a few
> months before sentencing...that Bernie masturbated to adult (perfectly
> legal) porn on a computer....is Brian saying he knows Bernie ever took
> an illicit picture of a child or actually touched a child? I heard
> Brian mention something about bernie and a nine year old's
> penis ..Does B rian have specifc such knowledge? of course not.
> Should people masturbate at work? not a good idea. Does Brian think
> there ought to be more years in prison for Bernie now..because of
> Brian's hearsay experience? and Brian's close personal friend at the
> Department of Justice.. why is that person violating federal statutes
> by leaking grand jury information to Brian.?.and let me get this other
> one thing straight(and yes, I will talk about it again,unlike Brian
> who is now puking in a trash can...or is he going to a book signing?)
> just this one thing....for the moment....Brian had in his mind
> illegally leaked info from his friend that Bernie was to be
> indicted....and thus invited Bernie to be on his talk show to talk
> about a pedophile who talked and thought about pedophilia ..but hadn't
> been charged with actually touching a child? hmmmm ..sounds like a
> curious dynamic for one who so loved Bernie. For the record....you
> can THINK about anything you want....even killing someone, blowing up
> the world,assassinating someone, having sex with anyone or
> anything...That is not a crime..You aren't prosecuted for
> "premeditation"...but rather for the resulting crime. Bernie's crime
> wasn't in thinking about any children in a sexually charged way..his
> crime was in TRANSMITTING and internet available image to another
> person, that darling ,upstanding mom of all moms....sex fairy..
> Should we have Thought crimes? discuss- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
an.old...@gmail.com
chat, but I in no way say it wrong. But there is a time and place for
everything. Bernie jerking off to an online sex chat while ON THE AIR
and possibly on camera, clearly shows Bernie had a problem. Or perhaps
in your mind he was doing some sort of research? It is sad people will
defend him no matter what. And yes it gives you an idea into his state
of mind that got him in trouble while in an other online sex chat, so
it is completely relevant to his arrest and conviction. . Brian ALSO
said that after the raid Bernie admitted to doing something very wrong
for years and was suicidal. Did that slip your ears?
I am glad Brain had the guts to do what was right and I hope it will
not result in him getting fired
David Kaye
> I am glad Brain had the guts to do what was right and I hope it will
> not result in him getting fired
Guts? Guts? He merely played back a shouting match and then took an
hour's worth of calls. At the end he said that his last caller was
stupid or words to that effect for thinking that he cares enough about
his job at KGO to worry about getting fired from it (as if he would be
fired). After all, he's on the air for 2 hours a week. That's hardly
an income worth mentioning. About the only benefit he gets from
working at KGO is that it's a good promo platform for his play and his
book. But he's managed to promote both just fine without KGO.
Bozo
>
> > > Should people masturbate at work? not a good idea.
>
> > masturbate at work". ha ha! And certainly not a good idea while
> > you're hosting "God Talk" and at the same time saying, "How terrible
> > the hypocrites on the right are". And yet Christine still thinks
> > Bernie was writing a book, huh? Talk about "curious dynamics"! Having
> > learned what we've learned over the past five months, I would stand
> > by the character and morals of a Brian Copeland over the character &
> > morals of Bernie Ward any day. But of course Christine Craft marches
> > to a different drummer. The victims, the little pre-pubescent boys &
> > girls, mean nothing, and Bernie Ward is the victim, If you are to
> > believe her.
>
> > Once the fawning defenders of Bernie admit to the truth, and more
> > importantly Bernie admits to the truth, the healing process can
> > begin. But instead, Christine wants to throw around her profound
> > grasp of law to say Bernie was just trying to "express himself",
> > within, of course, the constraints of the law, and "Brian Copeland is
> > the bad guy!" And she would have you believe the same for Ronn Owens,
> > John Rothmann, and Pat Thurston who are extremely knowledgeable and
> > professional hosts and maintain a very similar viewpoint to Brian
> > Copeland. Sure, there are always people on two sides of an issue,
> > but Christine Craft sure comes across rather pathetic. Perhaps she
> > doesn't care, just as long as she can garner an extra vote or two for
> > the "Bernie Ward Time Slot". Let's discuss.
>
> I said I had a conversation in the hallway with him about writing
> books in general..about the discipline required to actually write a
> book. I said very specifically that I did not speak with Bernie about
> what his book was about...only that he discussed with me that he was
> writing one...this was not hearsay....this was a direct
> conversation....The people who want to keep piling on Bernie when his
> life is already destroyed and he is going to prison....have apparently
> never looked at pornography of any kind or had any kind of
> masturbatory thoughts while at work ..or while driving their cars...or
> in any "dangeous" environment...now have they? Where did I say Bernie
> was just "trying to express himself" That's a quote..you are
> attributing to me..Where are you finding that quote?.....please
> cite??? you can't because you pulled it out of your butt. And if you
> think I'm defending Bernie against the thought police...you'd be
> right..If you think I'm doing it to garner more "votes" to get the
> 10-1 job....."votes" from whom? discuss. Maybe I just want Bernie to
> survive all of this...redeem himself and have a life when he is out of
> federal prison. ...Also let me make it very clear..I am not an
> attorney-at-law, I'm a lawyer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Here, here, Crisitine, you're one of the precious few here with either
any balls or righteous fortitude on the subject.
How you manage to suffer the legions of fools here without insulting
them is beyond me.
And to the poor clown who rhetorically asked you "Should people
masturbate at work?", please let me answer "why the hell not!" ... I
mean after all if you can get the work.
-BdN-
Jo Ann Malina
> On May 18, 5:25?pm, "<Kelly>" <316k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It matters because the listeners to God Talk likely saw Bernie as a
>> religious and/or spiritual authority, [....]
>
> Since when is being spiritual or religious equated with anti-sex?
> While the Catholics have a hang-up about it, most other Christian
> churches endorse sex. An elder of the LDS church, for instance, once
> told me that the LDS is pro-sex. That seems evident, given the large
> Mormon families that appear to be more the rule than the exception.
Most religions take a very active interest in peoples' sex lives and
want to control them. LDS may be pro-sex between spouses in such a
way that leads to the most children. The Catholic Church could be
described as pro-sex in those circumstances. The groups that are only
anti-sex (e.g. the Shakers) tend to die out.
They sure can manage to spoil sex for people in their attempts to
control it, though.
--
Jo Ann Malina, make spamthis best to find my address
The Bible contains 6 admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to
heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals.
It's just that they need more supervision. -- Lynne Lavner
David Kaye
> [....] At the end he said that his last caller was
> stupid or words to that effect for thinking that he cares enough about
> his job at KGO to worry about getting fired from it (as if he would be
> fired). [....]
I know that post sounds like I'm being harsh, but that's exactly the
tone I took from Brian's KGO comments. He was reacting harshly to the
caller who suggested that he should be worried about his job.
DWA...@gmail.com
> David Kaye <sfdavidka...@yahoo.com> is alleged to have said:
>
>
>
> Most religions take a very active interest in peoples' sex lives and
> want to control them. LDS may be pro-sex between spouses in such a
> way that leads to the most children. The Catholic Church could be
> described as pro-sex in those circumstances. The groups that are only
> anti-sex (e.g. the Shakers) tend to die out.
>
to broadcast in a closed studio again, I sure hope it doesn't affect
his longevity,
Craf...@aol.com
I believe Brian described...not what he saw..but what someone else
says she saw..That's hearsay..doesn't mean it isn't true.but there is
a distinction between what you see and what someone else tells you
they saw. In any event..in case you hadn't noticed...Bernie wasn't
prosecuted for sexual improprieties with himself..he was prosecuted
for transmitting a forbidden image..case closed. Life will play out
without any more intrusions from anyone here. His punishment and his
family's punishment is enough.. I don't believe for a nanosecond that
Brian's radio gig was imperiled by what he said on Sunday.
John Slade
<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> As much as I enjoy a good pissing contest, I think I can clear up a
> couple of points of confusion:
>
> On May 18, 4:44 pm, "John Slade" <hhitma...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> <Craft...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:f7b0908f-428e-49b9...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 18, 10:58 am, "John Slade" <hhitma...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>> > John
>> >so let me get this right..Brian Copeland was a direct witness to
>> >Bernie playing with himself in a closed room while on the air?
>>
>> If you had read what I wrote in the OP. You would not be asking this
>> question.
>
> Obviously Christine is going by what she heard while she was listening
> to Copeland's show. You apparently heard something different. Is it
> possible you were wrong?
No. I repeated what Copeland said. I said the woman was the witness
not Copeland. So you see, if she had read what I posted, she would not ask
me if Copeland was an eyewitness because I already said he wasn't.
>
>> > Or is
>> >Brian reporting a hearsay comment from a co-worker. Hearsay and
>> >Direct Witness ...two very different things.
>>
>> You obviously didn't read what I said. You seem to be making stuff
>> up.
>> I explained what Copeland said now if you can't comprehend what I wrote,
>> then mabe some remedial reading classes would be in order.
>
> She's reporting what she heard on Copeland's show,
But she's responding to what I wrote and asking me stuff she should be
asking Copeland. She seems to be trying to respond to things I didn't write.
> which doesn't match
> what you wrote. The original words are what's important, not anyone's
> perhaps-incorrect interpretation of what was said. Perhaps your
> listening comprehension skills are subpar.
What did I say that Copeland didn't say. I suggest you listen to what
Copeland said and then what I said.
>
>>
>> > and this just a few
>> >months before sentencing...that Bernie masturbated to adult (perfectly
>> >legal) porn on a computer....is Brian saying he knows Bernie ever took
>> >an illicit picture of a child or actually touched a child?
>>
>> Do you suffer from schizophrenia or hallucination? I don't remember
>> saying any of that nor do I remember Brian Copeland saying Bernie was a
>> child molester.
>
> Again, the subject is the Copeland show, and not the John Slade
> interpretation of the Copeland show.
But she's responding to what I said and asking me about things I never
said. Once again for those who need simple concepts hammered into their
heads before they understand, if she didn't like what Copeland said, then
take it up with him. I'm just the messnger.
>
>>I do know the Bernie Ward took child pornography and
>> distributed it. Then he made up tales about how he liked the penis of one
>> of
>> his son's friends. I heard how he made up a scene about how his daughter
>> was
>> involved. It's really sick shit to make up, I suggest you read it.
>
> The subject of this thread is today's Brian Copeland show, and not the
> Bernie Ward Saga.
No it's included because Ward and his sickness is the main subject.
>
>> > I heard
>> >Brian mention something about bernie and a nine year old's
>> >penis ..Does B rian have specifc such knowledge?
>>
>> I didn't hear the comment but I did hear Brian apologize for saying
>> it.
>
> Hmmm... Brian apologized for making a comment that John Slade did not
> hear. Brian's apology is good evidence that he did make such a
> comment, because we normally don't apologize for comments we didn't
> make. So John Slade admits to not hearing at least one thing that
> Copeland said in today's show, meaning that John Slade's account of
> the show is admittedly faulty.
No. I reported on what I heard not what I didn't hear. I told the
story of Copeland claiming the woman saw Ward jacking off while online
having sex. That's all I did. Now you shouldn't be pissed off at me, you
should be 1) pissed off at Copeland for telling the story and 2) pissed off
at the piss poor education system that didn't teach you and Christine Craft
reading comprehension skills.
>
>
>> About Bernie Ward. He was one of my heroes. But he did sick things
>> and
>> said sick things. He's sick and he needs help. The excuse that he was
>> writing a book is complete horse shit any fool can see that.
>
> Bernie said after he was arrested that he was writing a book about
> hypocrisy at the time he was swapping child pornography. All Christine
> said was that back at that time, Bernie told her he was writing a
> book.
I don't give one little shit about what Bernie Ward told Christine
Craft. I don't listen to her show and don't really care what kind of
relationship she has with Bernie. All I know is how I feel. I feel Bernie
Ward made up the story of the book to justify his sick behavior. Oh and the
book was about hypocrisy in the church not just hypocrisy.
> Generally people do what they say they are going to do. So
> Bernie's comment suggests he actually was writing a book on some
> topic. Unless he already, at the time he traded child pornography,
> cooked up a cover story to explain his interest.
Bernie knew this was coming for years and he probably cooked up the
book story. If he was writing a book about church hypocrisy then I don't see
what talking to sex fairy about kids penises and sending kiddie porn had to
do with the church. Was Sex Fairy associated with the church?
Look I know Bernie has friends and they will defend him to the last.
However I have no respect for people like Christine Craft who will defend a
pedophile like Bernie obviously is. Think about it, the accusations by his
former church when he was a priest, the accusations by girls at the church,
his guilty plea on kiddie porn pushing, accusations that he was jerking off
during God Talk and his lying about the book. I mean shit, you don't see a
pattern there?
Oh yes a "pedophile" doesn't ever have to touch a child, they just
have to get sexual arousal from children or pictures of children. Let's say
it together, Bernie Ward is a pedohile and needs help.
John
John Slade
"David Kaye" <sfdavi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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You remember when you told me that you don't respect most black people
because the cheered when OJ was aquitted? Well how many people do you think
would lose repsect for someone for defending an obvious pedophile? Just food
for thought.
John
Jim Bianchi
> Every time I've been to 900 Front Street, I've noticed a closed
> circuit TV in the lobby that shows the KGO on-air studio with the
> camera trained on the host. It's shown even when there is no one in
> the studio. My impression has been that it's always on and not just
> when the host wants it on. Aside from that, those studios (even as
> they were in 2000) are not all that private with people able to enter
> and exit without warning.
>
> I'm long past asking if anyone can be that dumb, but jeez, can anyone
> really be dumb enough to masturbate while on the air knowing that any
> worker could walk in and that he was on camera?
Any worker? If this is true, how about any BOSS? Heckfire, I recall
one night the ruddy MAYOR (Gavin Newsom) unexpectedly showed up to speak on
the air with Bernie.
> I've known Brian a long time and consider him a friend, so I believe
> his account 100%. But I don't know the unnamed former producer at all
> to be able to believe her or not. I wonder if that studio camera went
> to tape at all; even so, I doubt that the tapes would have been
> retained for very long.
>
> I've known Bernie much longer -- he was the priest on a college
> retreat I went on in late-70s or early-80s, and we stayed in touch
> while he was at KGO. This whole story is a real heartbreak.
Peter
> you need to listen to the archive tape...Brian says he knew something
> NO ONE ELSE KNEW...because he had an insider friend at DOJ who leaked
> him information from the grand jury.
The archive uses the term "Justice Department".
But, one could substitute the department's full name, "Department of
Justice", and it would be the same.
And, Brian stated that he:
1) knew of Bernie's yet-to-be-announced (federal) inductment, and
2) knew of Bernie's yet-to-be-executed (federal) search and seizure (of
Bernie's home and computer), and yet
he baited his friend, Bernie, into an on-the-air debate which forced
Bernie into defending, on a First Amendment basis, the rights of a
pedophile.
What a friend!
--
"I will fight terror as if there was no problem with Bush, and I will
fight Bush as if there was no problem with terror" - John Rothmann
--
Peter
David Kaye
>
> What a friend!
Or the other option is that Brian Copeland is a liar and didn't know a
thing about the pending indictments, but has been BSsing us to try to
make us feel he is more important and more connected than he is.
So, he's either scum or scum. Not a very good position to be in.
David Kaye
> You remember when you told me that you don't respect most black people
> because the cheered when OJ was aquitted?
No, I don't remember that. Please post a link to the original post.
It's searchable, you know.
leansto...@democrat.com
You have a good point. Ronn complains about that camera from time to
time. So where is the video of Bernie pleasuring himself?
zel...@gmail.com
and the chat transcripts in which he appears to exploit his own
children. Should Brian have said that? Maybe not and in fact, I find
the arguments that he should not have very compelling. Do the Santa
Rosa women have designs on Bernie's money? Maybe. I did wonder what
compelled them to come forward now that he's already going to prison.
Does any of that change what Bernie did? No.
As far as piling on a broken man...Bernie broke himself. He
engineered his own destruction. I have no sympathy.
an.old...@gmail.com
an.old...@gmail.com
http://groups.google.com/group/ba.broadcast/browse_thread/thread/eaba8a599a720ed5/acb4e6dde4ad0b96?lnk=st&q=respect+oj#acb4e6dde4ad0b96
On May 19, 12:22 pm, David Kaye <sfdavidka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
an.old...@gmail.com
http://groups.google.com/group/ba.broadcast/browse_thread/thread/eaba8a599a720ed5/acb4e6dde4ad0b96?lnk=st&q=respect+oj#acb4e6dde4ad0b96
On May 19, 1:06 am, David Kaye <sfdavidka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Peter
>>
>> What a friend!
>
> Or the other option is that Brian Copeland is a liar and didn't know a
> thing about the pending indictments, but has been BSsing us to try to
> make us feel he is more important and more connected than he is.
>
> So, he's either scum or scum. Not a very good position to be in.
Yes, either way, Brian comes off as a complete ass-hole.
DWA...@gmail.com
> On 2008-05-19 12:21:25 -0700, David Kaye <sfdavidka...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
>
> >> What a friend!
>
> > Or the other option is that Brian Copeland is a liar and didn't know a
> > thing about the pending indictments, but has been BSsing us to try to
> > make us feel he is more important and more connected than he is.
>
> > So, he's either scum or scum. Not a very good position to be in.
>
> Yes, either way, Brian comes off as a complete ass-hole.
"S.F. Peter",
How does not Bernie Ward Come across to you? Be honest now...
Bozo
> Brian Copeland said that
> there was a woman who used to work at KGO who told him that she walked in on Bernie
> Ward masturbating while on the air doing God Talk. Now Copeland says he's getting a ton of hate mail and it might
> be his last show.
>
> John
He deserves all the hate mail he gets, he's earned it, and it should
be his last show, not because of his slander and libel (substantiated
or not) but because he's a clown and not a particularly funny one.
-BdN-
DonBeppino
> On May 18, 2:17 pm, Ciccio <frances...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 18, 2:12 pm, Peter wrote:
>
> > > 10 years in the lifestyle and looking for subs to join me. If you are
> > > looking for a caring yet strict mistress then you have found the right
> > > domme.
>
> > > My Ideal Person:
> > > looking for slaves that are true to themselves and to the lifestyle.
> > > Cuckhold, travel slaves, maids, pussy worship, ass worship, feet
> > > worship, fiancial domination, cagging, flogging, bondage and everything
> > > that tickles my fancy. In the "vanilla" i want you to be a true
> > > gentleman and then when those doors close i want you groveling at my
> > > feet.
>
> > And nary a mention of child porn.
>
> > Ciccio
>
> "anything that ticles her fancy"? that mom of the year?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, like your buddy Ward, the father of the year. The [ex] Priest of
the year. The radio host of the year. The wonderful mentor to young
HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS whom he took out to the beach and tried to get a
little off of.
That FAT, GROSS, PERVERTED SPITTLE-MOUHTHED SLOB you like to defend.
I'm begining to think you're in his camp (pervert camp) the way you're
defending him. Sicking is what it (and you) is/are.
I'll say it again. If it were Savage or any other Conservative you be
on it like stink on sh*t. And no doubt you'd SOME HOW make it about
yourself...as you always do, cause you just can't get enough of your
self. GAWD I hope they don't hire you. You're a one trick pony. Or
should I say jackass-ett?
David Kaye
> Does this refresh your memory?
> http://groups.google.com/group/ba.broadcast/browse_thread/thread/eaba...
Yes, it does. Thank you. I think I've tempered my opinion a bit
since then. But it doesn't surprise me that I made such a statement
at the time.
Peter
> How does not Bernie Ward Come across to you? Be honest now...
I'm not endorsing what Bernie did, or what was asserted that he did, in
real-life, or in the mind.
What Brian did, by utilizing perhaps illegally obtained information,
communication of which information, in whole or in part, from a federal
official to Brian, and which communication may indeed be a federal
felony, is just about as low as one can go, and remain a "human being".
I look forward to Brian's federal indictment, and also to the
indictment of his "inside source", stated to be deep within the DOJ,
or, as Brian asserted, "Justice Department", also on a federal felony.
And, coming at this specific point, where Bernie has yet to be
sentenced, doesn't it seem a little odd that Brian would "taint"
Bernie's sentencing process, by "revealing" so-called "facts", which
are completely hearsay?
Bernie, Brian, and Brian's so-called "inside source" all deserve to
serve time in Lompoc federal prison.
Hell, let them be cell-mates.
Anonymous Sender
>>You remember when you told me that you don't respect most black people
>>because the cheered when OJ was aquitted?
>No, I don't remember that. Please post a link to the original post.
>It's searchable, you know.
''Well Known Bay Area Journalist Chauncy Bailey Murderd''
http://groups.google.com/group/ba.broadcast/msg/acb4e6dde4ad0b96
''David Kaye'' <sfdavidka...@yahoo.com> wrote Aug 4 2007, 3:54 pm:
''.....When O. J. Simpson was acquitted of murder, black folks cheered. They
CHEERED. My ex-girlfriend was one of the forensic toxicologists who
testified in that case. It was clearly and open and shut case. No
doubt about it. And, of course, in the civil suit Ron Goldman
brought, O.J. easily lost in a jury trial.
But I'll never forget as long as I live the black solidarity in favor
of a murderer. Ever since that time it has been hard for me to trust
most black folks, because I don't know when they'll turn on me as a
non-black....''
DWA...@gmail.com
S.F. Peter,
Wow, up 'til now, you've been rather quiet, but now I can hear your
moral outrage about Bernie's actions jumping right off the page. Gosh,
how can you contain your feelings about what Bernie did.??? Oh wait,
your outrage is not about Bernie at all, but rather about Brian.
Alright, another pervert sicko!
Peter
> Alright, another pervert sicko!
Where were you, Bozo, when you were supposed to attend "critical
thinking" courses?
In the Men's room, trolling for "queers"?
leansto...@democrat.com
Regarding the chat, it is easily conceivable that Bernie was playing a
role to convince the SexFairy that his on-line persona is as sick as
her real life persona.
zel...@gmail.com
up a family where he maybe had 3 or 5 children? He couldn't flop the
gender/birth order a skosh?
More deflection by pointing out that SexFairy clearly has her own set
of issues. You can cut off other people's heads to make Bernie look
taller but the pile of heads around him is going to be a dead
giveaway.
Ciccio
Ward sent child porn and SexFairy reported it to the police. That
speaks many more volumes, than does the chat, about who the sicko is
as between the two of them.
Ciccio
Bill Z.
Specious argument. What "leanstotheleft" said is a perfectly plausible
possibility. Another is that both were role playing, with "sexfairy"
playing "catch a predator" and Ward playing "study a predator". You
really don't know.
Why don't we charge the "catch a predator" types with soliciting this
stuff unless they were officially working as undercover operators for
the police? Maybe they should put sexfairy through the wringer too
for doing whatever it was she did to get Ward to send her whatever it
was he sent her.
--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB
zel...@gmail.com
family in his chat? Certainly he's savvy enough to come up with that
on his own. Or is he really the world's worst undercover
investigator? OR, picture this. He figures that if he uses his
actual family structure then it will throw people off. Yeah. I bet
that's it.
I think a lot of people wouldn't be that clever. They'd actually
create a fantasy family where the kids didn't exactly resemble their
real kids in age and gender and birth order. But, hey, clearly no one
wants to talk about that.
He sent her pictures of children in sexual situations. Ages 4 - 14.
Its okay, you can say it. Bernie already did.
I'm sure his kids understand that it had to look real. I'm sure all
the kids who know them understand it too. Heck, I'm sure everyone's
forgotten about it already. I mean, if your dad was saying that stuff
about you, you would understand wouldn't you?