Well Known Bay Area Journalist Chauncy Bailey Murderd
John Slade
Soulbeat and later OurTV which he helped found. Bailey was apparently
walking to work when a gunman approached him from behind and shot him once
in the back and once in the head. Witnesses said the gunman then fled on
foot to a waiting van that sped away.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/02/BAGGCRBL8A6.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea
This is a real shocker. I would see Bailey's reports on OurTV from
time to time. He was overseeing a beauty contest for OurTV that was about to
be concluded. He had just been named Editor in Chief of The Oakland post.
This is a great loss. He did a lot for the community.
John
Mark Howell
> Chauncey Bailey was murdered today in Oakland. He was a reporter for
> Soulbeat and later OurTV which he helped found. Bailey was apparently
> walking to work when a gunman approached him from behind and shot him once
> in the back and once in the head. Witnesses said the gunman then fled on
> foot to a waiting van that sped away.
>
>
> This is a real shocker. I would see Bailey's reports on OurTV from
> time to time. He was overseeing a beauty contest for OurTV that was about to
> be concluded. He had just been named Editor in Chief of The Oakland post.
> This is a great loss. He did a lot for the community.
>
> John
According to what I saw on AP today, there may be connection with a
very large police raid on Your Black Muslim Bakery in Oakland this
morning. Bailey was said to have been investigating the place, and
it's been implicated in quite a bit of shady activity over the years,
including rape charges against its late owner.
Mark Howell
Patty Winter
In article <1186177305....@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
Mark Howell <howell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>According to what I saw on AP today, there may be connection with a
>very large police raid on Your Black Muslim Bakery in Oakland this
>morning.
Yep, KGO is covering that very story at the moment. Evidently OPD
was already planning a raid, but yesterday's murder accelerated
their schedule.
Patty
David Kaye
> The media have reported these facts, but they have not taken the
> next step of asking, "how did the Black Muslim Bakery get away with
> it for so long?"
White guilt and black solidarity. Say what we will about gay folks,
but we don't stick together just to stick together in solidarity.
Black folks continually stick up for each other, regardless of how
serious the crime. Willie Brown can take bribes but black folks say,
"Well, everybody does it" even when everybody doesn't do it.
Barry Bonds can be an asshole and black folks call it racism when we
don't like him. The interview with Ray Taliaferro was a case in
point. KGO's white guilt promotions department kept flogging this
bogus interview (we all knew it was going to be bogus because Ray
Taliaferro is a lightweight interviewer of no substance whatever).
Ray did everything to Barry Bonds but kiss his ass. It was a shameful
interview, but KGO pumped it and sold it as the Second Coming.
When O. J. Simpson was acquitted of murder, black folks cheered. They
CHEERED. My ex-girlfriend was one of the forensic toxicologists who
testified in that case. It was clearly and open and shut case. No
doubt about it. And, of course, in the civil suit Ron Goldman
brought, O.J. easily lost in a jury trial.
But I'll never forget as long as I live the black solidarity in favor
of a murderer. Ever since that time it has been hard for me to trust
most black folks, because I don't know when they'll turn on me as a
non-black. (I'm of Italian background, an ethnic group that wasn't
even considered "white" until the early 20th Century, so I don't
identify as "white"; I'll leave that to the English and Germans. I'm
"non-black".)
My creds: As a teenager I worked at Swan's department store in
downtown Oakland, a mostly black store. I grew up eating at Lois the
Pie Queen in Oakland. I once knew Tremayne Hawkins and some of the
Edwin Hawkins singers. I've attended black church services, lived in
black neighborhoods, and still eat soul food (try the Hard Knox Cafe
on 3rd in SF).
But, I'm afraid that black solidarity is killing any respect I have
for black folks anymore. Your Black Muslim Bakery is only one example
of a concerted effort by the black community to endorse murderers.
Sorry, but that's the way I feel these days. It wasn't always thus.
Mark Howell
> But, I'm afraid that black solidarity is killing any respect I have
> for black folks anymore. Your Black Muslim Bakery is only one example
> of a concerted effort by the black community to endorse murderers.
>
> Sorry, but that's the way I feel these days. It wasn't always thus.
I suppose one's attitudes are shaped by one's experience, but this is
racist stereotyping like any other.
I've been around black folks since I escaped the segregated suburbs of
Baltimore more than 40 years ago. My first job in radio was R&B disc
jockey. I did news at the first black-oriented commercial FM station
in the country. I've hired and mentored black reporters, and they
were all perfectly capable of making honest intellectual judgments.
Of my three closest friends in California, one is a black man who is a
respected L.A. broadcaster, and whose family has taken me in as one of
their own, inviting me to spend holidays in their home and be part of
their family celebrations because I don't have any close family of my
own. Now they are my California family. (and they all think O.J. is
guilty as hell, and it wouldn't matter to me if they didn't. We don't
have to agree on everything in order to care about each other and
enjoy each other's company). So I know better than to disrespect any
group of folks because of what some of them might do or say. I don't
know anybody who "endorses murderers," although I know quite a few
people who are suspicious, and not without reason, of how the criminal
justice system treats minority defendants and minority victims.
Crooked, scheming black politicians, so-called "leaders" (who are
mostly scorned by the black folks I know) and ghetto hustlers are not
typical of black people -- any more than crooked, scheming white
politicians are typical of white people. I'm not naive. I've met
black people who don't like me because I'm white, and I've been a
victim of a crime committed by a black person. But I still know that
most of us, of whatever color, are just hard-working folks trying to
live honest lives and raise families, and deal with the same issues of
jobs and relationships and finances and trying to grow old
gracefully.
Mark Howell
David Kaye
> I suppose one's attitudes are shaped by one's experience, but this is
> racist stereotyping like any other.
Stereotypes are based on truth. I'm not saying anything is 100%, but
I will say that more often than not black folks defend each other
regardless of the truth or the degree of anti-social behavior done.
I know what I posted was extremely harsh, but I'm just so damned sick
and tired of it. I had to ask a black housemate to move because he
continued to be late with rent and I had to cover his portion until
he'd pay. Immediately he accused me of racism. When our mutual
friend (who I knew separately from the arts scene) learned that the
guy had to move, he called me and asked why I was throwing out "an
African American who did nothing to you".
I was coming out of a Walgreen's store and a black guy who appeared to
be drunk came up to me and tried to punch me, unprovoked. I ducked
and sidestepped him. The guy who was following me out of the store
immediately asked me, "What did you do do him?" I'd never seen the
guy in my life and immediately the black guy behind me accuses me of
doing something to provoke a confrontation.
Two nights ago I was sitting in All Stars Donuts on 5th and Harrison
in SF eating a chili dog at 1:30am. A street bum who was black came
in and started hassling me for spare change. At first I ignored him
and then finally I got up out of my seat and told him to get out of my
face. Immediately another black guy, a Muni driver of all people, who
was in the cafe said, "Don't you go talking to a brother that way."
How many more incidents should I cite?
I'm just so fucking sick of this stuff. And now the mayor of Oakland
is forced to deal with a neighborhood terrorist organization (and yes,
it is terrorism to attack a grocery store and its staff and vandalize
it unprovoked). But I'd bet that Ron Dellums is going to side with
Bey as he always has and try to get him and his people off. And Your
Black Muslim Bakery will probably get yet another loan/gift because,
well, you know, they're so poor and black and all.
We just don't see this happening with Asians. We see Chinese people
come here, not even knowing the language, for God's sake, and they
build communities and they work hard and they don't go begging for low
interest loans or default on the loans they've gotten.
And when one of them does wrong they don't all rally behind him/her
just because they're Chinese. Take the Ed Jew case. Some Chinese
people support him, some condemn him, some have no opinion. The media
have been filled with reports coming from all sides.
Or take the Chinese gangs. People in the Chinese community don't let
it slide as black people do when confronted with black gangs. Black
people blame poverty. Chinese people blame the family. Black people
scream at the government to provide jobs. Chinese people lend each
other money to set up businesses to create their own jobs.
Now, to take it to radio and TV broadcasting, we are blessed that
there are numerous black people working in local media who have always
been above this nonsense. I have enormous respect for Belva Davis,
who has not let race issues color her reporting. Likewise Gregg
Edmonds of KGO. I've always found him to be fair. I remember when
Dennis Richmond was a beat reporter for KTVU, and I found him to be
fair as well. I have not heard any reporting from Rosie Allen of KGO,
because she is not a reporter, but I can almost see her cringe when
she reads some stories that are embarrassing to black folks.
Austin Scott (aka Austin Long-Scott, Oakland Tribune, KRON) deserves
special mention. He was an extraordinary reporter who was above the
fray. His reporting was crisp, serious, and incisive. He suffered no
fools.
So, as I said, thankfully we haven't seen this jingoism among black
reporters here in the Bay Area. Unfortunately, it's front and center
with black politicians and community leaders.
John Slade
"Patty Winter" <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote in message
news:46b3ae1f$0$14086$742e...@news.sonic.net...
Right after the murder I heard that he was working on a story
concerning "Your Black Muslim Bakery" and the financial trouble's they
appear to be going through. I know you've heard by now it was a handyman who
worked at the bakery and killed Bailey because of the expose.
I actually have a friend who worked at their compound on something.
When the city of Oakland loaned them a million bucks to expand their medical
and daycare programs, some took the money and bought new cars and houses
with it and never expanded their programs like they promised. I also know
from a friend about the violent history of Bey's organization. Back in the
60s and 70s, Bey would send goons to threaten and hurt people who spoke
against him or his organization publicly.
John
Steven
the donuts too.
John Slade
"Mark Roberts" <markrob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mark Howell <howell...@gmail.com> had written:
> | On Aug 2, 2:26 pm, "John Slade" <hhitma...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> | > Chauncey Bailey was murdered today in Oakland. He was a reporter
> for
> | > Soulbeat and later OurTV which he helped found. Bailey was apparently
> | > walking to work when a gunman approached him from behind and shot him
> once
> | > in the back and once in the head. Witnesses said the gunman then fled
> on
> | > foot to a waiting van that sped away.
>
> |
> | According to what I saw on AP today, there may be connection with a
> | very large police raid on Your Black Muslim Bakery in Oakland this
> | morning. Bailey was said to have been investigating the place, and
> | it's been implicated in quite a bit of shady activity over the years,
> | including rape charges against its late owner.
>
> Chronicle indicate.
>
> It's been well known in Oakland for years what the Black Muslim Bakery
> was,
> and what Yusuf Bey's activies were. But he was tied into City Hall
> for years and years, even to the extent of getting a million-dollar
> "loan" for a program that never got off the ground. Of course, the
> "loan" never was paid back, either.
Yep and a family member of mine who worked with the muslims on one of
those projects said they took that money and spent it on houses and nice
cars. The city just forgave the loan.
>
> Bey also spewed a bunch of nonsense for years on Soul Beat TV. I
> particularly recall one program where he continually referred to
> women as "bitches" and "b's".
Yea and I called him up one night to confront him when he spewed the
stuff about the Black Muslims and the flying saucers that are supposed to
come down and destroy the "white man's cities". Boy I'm glad I didn't say
what I really wanted to about him...
>
> Even though the rape charges pending against Bey when he died
> (according to the Chronicle) finally caused some erosion in his
> political power, it is still notable that no meaningful action was
> taken against Yusuf Bey IV when he and some of his colleagues in
> the group went around liquor stores in west Oakland tearing up the
> merchandise, even though the evidence is there on videotape (as
> shown on KTVU last night).
I think they fined Bey IV 10,000 and gave him probation. However what he
did at those stores brought attention to the problem and they closed more as
a result. I don't condone what he did but it did seem to work.
I also heard that there are charges that they tortured people. They were
apparently investigating them for a whole year.
>
> The media have reported these facts, but they have not taken the
> next step of asking, "how did the Black Muslim Bakery get away with
> it for so long?"
>
It's called plausable denyability. Even though people in that
organiation did crimes, they could never quite connect it to the Senior Bey
or the leadership of the cult. Bey was a slick character.
> Asking that question would show up elected officials in Oakland for
> the feckless mediocrities that they are.
>
> Even today, the Chronicle notes of the bakery's bankruptcy filing
> (fair use quote):
> In his filing, Bey also wrote that he met with Oakland Mayor Ron
> Dellums and Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Oakland, both of whom promised to
> support him in maintaining the bakery. Dellums "has even pointed
> out his official support of me continuing in my father's successful
> pattern of running the business," Bey wrote. Dellums' office said
> the mayor had no comment. Lee spokesman Nathan Britton said Friday,
> "Congresswoman Barbara Lee is on record supporting the bakery as a
> community institution."
>
> Credit the Chronicle for asking the question ... now, the next
> question should be: how many other million-dollar "loans" are out
> there, for the Black Muslim Bakery and for other folks with clout
> in city hall and pet causes in distressed neighborhoods? It would
> seem that the money would have been better spent in getting some
> law enforcement in those neighborhoods to protect the decent folks
> who have been terrorized by thugs. The next question after that
> should be: where *is* the money going?
To be fair the Black Muslim Bakery organization did a lot of good in
their community and so they made friends downtown. The question about where
the money is going is simple to answer. It's going to those nice cars and
other luxuries of the leaders of the cult.
>
> Finally something does seem to be happening. The slaying of Bailey
> was an appalling act. It's shocking even to those of us who live
> well away from the scene. Much as we sometimes try to avoid that
> fact, and much as Oakland City Hall definitely avoids that fact,
> Montclair is a part of Oakland and all of us in Oakland have a stake
> in what's going on. It was notable to me that, in driving around
> today doing errands in Montclair and the Laurel, I saw *three* Oakland
> police cars and one police motorcycle. Usually, the only place I
> see police officers in those neighborhoods is at the Round Table
> Pizza at the Joaquin Miller exit. It appears that *somebody*,
> *somewhere* is finally paying attention, at least for a little
> while.
I wish they would pay attention to what's going on in the Fruitvale
district. Parts of it are really going downhill with all the drug dealing,
prostitution and other crimes. It's become inundated with illegal aliens and
they've been breaking into vacant apartment buildings where some of them set
up drug labs. Some are dope houses and most of them are unsanity because
they don't have running water. And we have our mayor coming out and
declaring Oakland a "sanctuary city" for illegal aliens. Oakland is rapidly
becoming a sanctuary city for crime.
>
> I personally felt much of Bailey's work was pedestrian, but that
> could have been a function of his having been a reporter for the
> Oakland Tribune, which is a pedestrian newspaper. If one
> goes by the numerous tributes to his life, it appears that his work
> in founding and supporting ethnic media was as important, if not
> more so, than the stories he actually published.
>
> The best thing the Bay Area media could do to honor Bailey's legacy
> is to start asking the hard questions that they haven't been asking
> of Oakland city officials, both elected and appointed.
I hope they do just that.
John
John Slade
"David Kaye" <sfdavi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1186268048.8...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 4, 2:26 pm, Mark Roberts <markrobt+use...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The media have reported these facts, but they have not taken the
>> next step of asking, "how did the Black Muslim Bakery get away with
>> it for so long?"
>
> White guilt and black solidarity. Say what we will about gay folks,
> but we don't stick together just to stick together in solidarity.
> Black folks continually stick up for each other, regardless of how
> serious the crime. Willie Brown can take bribes but black folks say,
> "Well, everybody does it" even when everybody doesn't do it.
Sorry but I don't see that much solidary in the black community. Some
in the black community will stick up for scum like OJ Simpson and Michael
Vick. Other blacks will condemn them.
>
> Barry Bonds can be an asshole and black folks call it racism when we
> don't like him. The interview with Ray Taliaferro was a case in
> point. KGO's white guilt promotions department kept flogging this
> bogus interview (we all knew it was going to be bogus because Ray
> Taliaferro is a lightweight interviewer of no substance whatever).
> Ray did everything to Barry Bonds but kiss his ass. It was a shameful
> interview, but KGO pumped it and sold it as the Second Coming.
Bonds is the subject of a lot of racism. He's getting death threats
and it has nothing to do with steroids.
As for the interview, I liked it. Sure I wish they could have asked
about the steroids but Ray explained why he didn't. He would have gotten no
answer. Taliaferro is a good interviewer, I wish you could have heard his
interview with Richard Perle the day before he resigned from the Bush
Administration. Ray called him on a lot of things and really got him.
>
> When O. J. Simpson was acquitted of murder, black folks cheered. They
> CHEERED. My ex-girlfriend was one of the forensic toxicologists who
> testified in that case. It was clearly and open and shut case. No
> doubt about it. And, of course, in the civil suit Ron Goldman
> brought, O.J. easily lost in a jury trial.
>
> But I'll never forget as long as I live the black solidarity in favor
> of a murderer. Ever since that time it has been hard for me to trust
> most black folks, because I don't know when they'll turn on me as a
> non-black. (I'm of Italian background, an ethnic group that wasn't
> even considered "white" until the early 20th Century, so I don't
> identify as "white"; I'll leave that to the English and Germans. I'm
> "non-black".)
I think the reason many black folk cheered was because of the racism
that came from Mark Furhman. I mean look, the evidence was taken to
someone's private home instead of being taken to the evidence locker. Then
it was painfully obviouis that at least some of the evidence was planted.
Because of these factors and others, it made it look like whites were out to
get OJ Simpson. So you got cheers. Also some blacks felt it was payback for
thousands of blacks who were lynched and burned and had their killers go
free no matter how great the case was against them.
>
> My creds: As a teenager I worked at Swan's department store in
> downtown Oakland, a mostly black store. I grew up eating at Lois the
> Pie Queen in Oakland. I once knew Tremayne Hawkins and some of the
> Edwin Hawkins singers. I've attended black church services, lived in
> black neighborhoods, and still eat soul food (try the Hard Knox Cafe
> on 3rd in SF).
>
> But, I'm afraid that black solidarity is killing any respect I have
> for black folks anymore. Your Black Muslim Bakery is only one example
> of a concerted effort by the black community to endorse murderers.
Killing the respect you have for black folks? Boy could you generalize
any more? I mean I'm black and I don't see much solitarity in the black
community. What I do see is the way blacks are portrayed in the media these
days. The images put for by Gangsta Rap artists, is like a minstrel show.
Too many young folk want to be like them, they want to be pimps and pushers.
That's what should be adressed.
John
Steven
Alex Rodriguez hit 500 today and he's expected to have the next shot.
Steven
wading pool and the lifeguard needs to take care of that, figuratively
speaking.
cph...@gmail.com
> > Credit the Chronicle for asking the question ... now, the next
> > question should be: how many other million-dollar "loans" are out
> > there, for the Black Muslim Bakery and for other folks with clout
> > in city hall and pet causes in distressed neighborhoods? It would
> > seem that the money would have been better spent in getting some
> > law enforcement in those neighborhoods to protect the decent folks
> > who have been terrorized by thugs. The next question after that
> > should be: where *is* the money going?
>
> To be fair the Black Muslim Bakery organization did a lot of good in
> their community and so they made friends downtown. The question about where
> the money is going is simple to answer. It's going to those nice cars and
> other luxuries of the leaders of the cult.
>
This isn't the first time a local government got in bed with a cult.
Back in the 70's, Jim Jones (of "Drink the Kool-Aid" fame) practically
had the SF Supervisors eating out of his hand. Of course, that was
before most people outside of the cult knew what was really going on
there....
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