Re: [-BAS-] Beginner: Confusion between Olympus 10x50 and Bresser Venus 76/700

[Suresh Mohan]

I'm sure a lot of people might chime in , if I were you I'd stick to a binocular , bcos it has a wide field and easier (much) to handle, pls see if there is a PRovision to attach a tripod as my Olympus does not ( not compulsory)

Suresh

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On Sep 21, 2012, at 1:11 AM, Saurabh Manchanda <saurab...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm a beginner on this forum and this field and would like to develop my interest in astronomy.

Wanted to ask you guys whether I should pick a binocular or a telescope? Reading a few posts here and at other places, I was able to shortlist to Olympus 10x50 and Bresser Venus 76/700. Is there anything better you know of ? What kind of objects would be (easily) visible with these and with any other instrument you suggest ?

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[Saravana Perumal]

Hi Saurabh,

I agree with Dr. I had similar questions when I started couple of years back.  The experts here suggested Binocular.

There are lot of articles which inform Binocular is good for someone starting up.  But don't get a heavy one.

I got 80x20 celestron which is really heavy to lift and hold for long, but with tripod its fine.

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 Beginner: Confusion between Olympus 10x50 and Bresser Venus 76/700

Saurabh Manchanda <saurab...@gmail.com> Sep 20 12:41PM -0700  

I'm a beginner on this forum and this field and would like to develop my 
interest in astronomy.
 
Wanted to ask you guys whether I should pick a binocular or a telescope? 
Reading a few posts here and at other places, I was able to shortlist to Olympus 
10x50 and Bresser Venus 76/700. Is there anything better you know of ? What 
kind of objects would be (easily) visible with these and with any other 
instrument you suggest ?


 

Suresh Mohan <drsure...@gmail.com> Sep 21 08:30AM +0530  

[Girish]

Hi   Saurabh,

What I suggest is go with 10X50 that is the best to start with. - But this is not enough, you will get fed up soon if you watch the sky holding bincos in your hard. So you need to go for a mount.
 
For binocular mount go for a very  simple tripod  - But it will be very difficult to watch the sky as you need to bend around !!!

For this problem here is a simple solution which I am using !!!

Have an ordinary mirror (With out scratches)  - buy a new one of the size of a notebook from glass shop it should cost you less than Rs100/-

Keep the mirror on a table or stool facing the sky, now look at the mirror through the binocular and focus it.  You will  see the sky clearly without any issue.

Now you the tripod and mount the binocular and look at the mirrror - adjust the mirror at various angles to see different areas of sky. -

http://www.homebuiltastronomy.com/downbino/index.html

Here is the photo of a more professionaly made mount. But you can do with a tripod and simple mirror

This arrangement is lot more comfortable than anything. I do this very often and I able to gaze that sky for long periods without neck pain

Once you are comfortable with this arrangement you can replace the ordinary mirror with a front silvered mirror which will give you even better views of stars than a regular mirror - but this is optional

Note: Front silvered mirrors are very expensive ...

Regards
Girish

[Girish]

[mys universe]

Dear Saurab,

I'm a beginner too. I bought an Olympus 10x50 Binoculars 2 yrs ago ( I also have a telescope now) but I still feel I haven't done justice to my binocs. The are thousands of objects one can see with the binocs. For a beginner and a progressive learner, the binocs is the best. I'm using my binocs at any given chance even now. Hope this helps. Leela

[sathya kumar Prasanna]

The Bresser 76mm reflector may as well be a toy. Sorry I am being frank here. Its more the mount than the scope itself. It may also put you off the hobby. The 10x50 will be a pleasure to use, even if you cannot attach it to a tripod. 

Kind Regards,

Sathya

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:01 AM, mys universe <leel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Saurab,

I'm a beginner too. I bought an Olympus 10x50 Binoculars 2 yrs ago ( I also have a telescope now) but I still feel I haven't done justice to my binocs.  The are thousands of objects one can see with the binocs.  For a beginner and a progressive learner, the binocs is the best.  I'm using my binocs at any given chance even now.  Hope this helps. Leela

[Saurabh Manchanda]

As I asked earlier, would someone list me a few objects which I can easily see with 10x50 ? Also, I suppose Bangalore City is not a bad place to do the gazing, or is it?

Thanks

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 1:31 PM, mys universe <leel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Saurab,

I'm a beginner too. I bought an Olympus 10x50 Binoculars 2 yrs ago ( I also have a telescope now) but I still feel I haven't done justice to my binocs.  The are thousands of objects one can see with the binocs.  For a beginner and a progressive learner, the binocs is the best.  I'm using my binocs at any given chance even now.  Hope this helps. Leela

[Harshad RJ]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ann78tTS89A0dE1ZOVJaQnB6azdtLUIzSkdnbnU2eWc#gid=0

That document was written by Akarsh. I guess difficulty level 0 would match 10x50 binoculars.

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[Harshad RJ]

On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Harshad RJ <harsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ann78tTS89A0dE1ZOVJaQnB6azdtLUIzSkdnbnU2eWc#gid=0

That document was written by Akarsh. I guess difficulty level 0 would match 10x50 binoculars.

Level 1 would be possible too from dark skies.

 

[Akarsh Simha]

On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 12:38:28PM +0530, Harshad RJ wrote:
> [1]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ann78tTS89A0dE1ZOVJaQnB6azdtLUIzSkdnbnU2eWc#gid=0

>
> That document was written by Akarsh. I guess difficulty level 0 would
> match 10x50 binoculars.

Curiously, we (Amar and I) observed the last object on that list
("difficulty level 8") with a 10x50 binoculars. But good, dark skies
with dark southern horizons are necessary.

Regards
Akarsh

[Sunil G.R.]

Hi Girish,

Nice to hear that this method actually works.
I tried couple of times with this method (within city), but it did not work out as expected.
Only bright stars were easily visible in the mirror.
Also there was a focussing problem. From either ends of the focussing knob of binoc (Olympus 10x50), the image was not becoming sharper.
I tried with good ordinary mirror.

Can you suggest anything for me related to this method?

Thanks,
Sunil.

[Girish]

Sunil

Where do you live ? BAngalore  ???

What you should be doing is
Buy a new mirror   float glass mirror of the size of a A4 size paper. Select the mirror which has thinnest glass (If the glass is thick you will have problem) say 3mm thickness.

keep flat on the floor outside facing sky say on a stool or something like that

Just look at the mirror through the binocs and focus it to sky - You should see stars ... if you are able to see only bright stars then sky is having bad light pollution. Try in the mid night when people has switched off lights it should be better.

Otherwise there is not need of anything special

Regards
Girish

[Sunil G.R.]

Thanks Girish for the tips. Yes, i do live in Bangalore (JPNagar).
Will try with the brand new mirror. Hope atleast sharpness of the image gets better with it.

Regards,
Sunil.