RE: Frank Patrick Holmes

[nancy jean baptiste]

A correction to my earlier post.....Frank Holmes....we match many names on Sao Jorge.
 
Nancy Jean 
 

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From: pi...@dholmes.com
To: fishso...@hotmail.com
Subject: Frank Patrick Holmes
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:48:11 -0700

Hi Nancy,

I think someone once mentioned Frank Holmes to me, but I didn't realize he has Pico ancestors.

Can you identify the one who immigrated from there?

I don't show him as a link, but if he connects to Judy's relative, and I connect to her, maybe there is still a remote link between us that DNA doesn't show.

Was his Holmes name originally Homem, like mine? Or does he have English ancestry?

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

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From: nancy jean baptiste <fishso...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 09, 2013 7:51 am
To: azores group <azo...@googlegroups.com>

 
With Frank Patrick Holmes 49.55 and 31.64...ftdna predicts 3rd cousin. We share many of the same names on Pico. 

[Vivian Christy]

Hello Doug and Nancy,

 

Frank Patrick Holmes is my cousin and I do all the genealogy for our family.  So I will check out his matches.  The thing is I do not know where his great grandfather who is also Frank Peter Holmes (Homen) was born or died except that it was the Sao Jorge Island.  That is the brick wall in our genealogy.  When I check out the matches and your tree I will see if we have any that could be relatives.  I wish I would have been able to get the copy of the Marriage record from the church in Hanford where my Grandmother Marie G. Holmes and grandfather Manuel Joseph were married.  But I probably will have to go there my self to see if I can get the record.  So I have not found the town yet.  Thank you.  Vivian (Silva) Christy

 

researching: Silva, Machado, Silveria, Veira, Holmes, Homen, Enos, Jose, Souza, and many more.  In Lajes do Pico and Sao Jorge, Tereica, and Faial.

From: nancy jean baptiste <fishso...@hotmail.com>
To: Doug da Rocha Holmes <pi...@dholmes.com>; azores group <azo...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:57 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes

A correction to my earlier post.....Frank Holmes....we match many names on Sao Jorge.
 
Nancy Jean 
 

From: pi...@dholmes.com
To: fishso...@hotmail.com
Subject: Frank Patrick Holmes
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:48:11 -0700

Hi Nancy,

I think someone once mentioned Frank Holmes to me, but I didn't realize he has Pico ancestors.

Can you identify the one who immigrated from there?

I don't show him as a link, but if he connects to Judy's relative, and I connect to her, maybe there is still a remote link between us that DNA doesn't show.

Was his Holmes name originally Homem, like mine? Or does he have English ancestry?

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

http://www.dholmes.com/

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From: nancy jean baptiste <fishso...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 09, 2013 7:51 am
To: azores group <azo...@googlegroups.com>

 
With Frank Patrick Holmes 49.55 and 31.64...ftdna predicts 3rd cousin. We share many of the same names on Pico. 

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[pi...@dholmes.com]

Hi Vivian,

Nice to hear from you.

It's very interesting that his family also converted Homem to Holmes. I think I once saw in a book (maybe by Carlos Almeida) that Homem was converted to Holmes and I wondered who else, if anyone, had done it aside from my family from Terceira.

The story is that my grandfather's younger brother, Jacinto, came to the US first and started this conversion. When my grandfather came with the rest of his siblings and his mother, he didn't quite like it, but eventually went along with the change.

The rest, as they say, is history. :-)

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Vivian,
 
Glad to know you're there to explain Frank and his brother Robert's family history a bit.
 
I noticed the you and the Holmes brothers are both a match to me. However, you are a match to my Uncle John Baptiste and the Holmes are not his match.
 
I think the Holmes are matching on my mom's Sao Jorge people who they have some surnames in common with and you are matching Uncle John's Pico people and I can be matching both your Pico and Sao Jorge lines. We share many surnames.
 
Nancy Jean
 

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[Vivian Christy]

Hi Nancy,  I have the records for Lajes do Pico.  In the Minho records on line I found both my Mothers father and my Fathers mother's families lived near to each other and they have relatives all the way back to the 1700's I think.  I also found my fathers Mother's birth record and her fathers birth record.  So I can give you access to my family tree online at Ancestry.com you may find some relatives we have in common.

 

Let me know if you would like me to do that. 

 

Thanks, Vivian

 

 

From: nancy jean baptiste <fishso...@hotmail.com>
To: azores group <azo...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes

Hi Vivian,
 
Glad to know you're there to explain Frank and his brother Robert's family history a bit.
 
I noticed the you and the Holmes brothers are both a match to me. However, you are a match to my Uncle John Baptiste and the Holmes are not his match.
 
I think the Holmes are matching on my mom's Sao Jorge people who they have some surnames in common with and you are matching Uncle John's Pico people and I can be matching both your Pico and Sao Jorge lines. We share many surnames.
 
Nancy Jean
 

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Vivian,
 
Please, I'd like to see your tree. I didn't notice a gedcom on FTDNA. Do you have Sao Jorge ancestry as well as Pico?
 
Thanks,
Nancy Jean
 

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Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:01:31 -0700
From: vchri...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes

To: azo...@googlegroups.com

[Vivian Christy]

Hi Nancy,

 

I do have Sao Jorge ancestry which is my Mothers (Gertrude J Joseph) Mother (Marie G. Holmes) side of the family which is one of my brick walls.  I do not know the town they came from in Sao Jorge.  The other mystery is My Grandmothers (Marie Holmes) real Father we think was Frank Holmes (Homen) but he died we think before her mother married Premo Souza.  My Grandmother (Marie) told me we were related to the Souza's but she did not put him down as her father and neither did her brothers.  We know that when they came to this country she listed her name on her naturalization papers as Marie Holmes Souza.  So we think her mother and step father married in the Azores when she was about 2 yrs old.  My Grandmother did not tell me very much about her family either how Frank Holmes died or when.  I am hoping the church in Hanford.  St Bridgets will call me in about a week with info on if the church marriage records list the name of the town they came from.  Keep your fingers crossed.  So far all my research does not give the name of the town they came from.  Also all her brothers put on all their documents they were born in California and they never filled out any naturalization papers.  She was the only one who put she was born in the Azores.  Well I will send you an invitation to Ancestry.com for my Tree.  Let me know if you have any questions.

 

Vivian (Silva) Christy

From: nancy jean baptiste <fishso...@hotmail.com>
To: azores group <azo...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes

Hi Vivian,
 

Please, I'd like to see your tree. I didn't notice a gedcom on FTDNA. Do you have Sao Jorge ancestry as well as Pico?
 
Thanks,
Nancy Jean
 

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Vivian,
 
I've been looking at your tree......I haven't discovered any connections  and yet but my intuition has hit on some of your lines....for some reason I think we connect on several lines in both Pico and Sao Jorge. You match both myself and Uncle John, my father's brother...so that's Pico....although their grandfather, Antonio Teixeira Baptista was born in Topo, Sao Jorge.......but the Sao Jorge connection to you and the Holmes brothers "feels" like it's to my mother's people on Sao Jorge, the Velas, Rosais area. My mom's mother's father is my brick wall......he used the name Enos when he came from Sao Jorge, my mom said his name was "messed up when he arrived in the U.S. and it was changed from Enos or Bettencourt? to Vetorino.....his civil marriage record gives his parents name as Tomas Vieira and Ana Joaquina but the record from St. John's for the marriage lists his parents as Tomas Oliveira and Ana Joaquina.......so I'm clueless but somehow I think this connects to the Holmes brothers and to you!
 
Now to figure it out!
Nice to find a new cousin,
Nancy
 

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Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 09:27:34 -0700

[Mary Bordi]

On May 18, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Vivian Christy <vchri...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> I do have Sao Jorge ancestry which is my Mothers (Gertrude J Joseph) Mother (Marie G. Holmes) side of the family which is one of my brick walls. I do not know the town they came from in Sao Jorge.

I have seen Homem in the Norte Grande area--Nossa Senhora das Neves parish which also includes Santo Antonio and Ribeira da Areia. But I have not made any connection with them.

Mary