Francis Joseph

[Tony]

Francis Joseph was born in 1833,  some where in the Azores.  His Father was carpenter   named Antonio.  We don’t  know the name of his Mother.  Francis left the Azores as a young boy and

spent some years on whaling ships before “jumping ship” in New Zealand.  He was then 34 years old and spent the next 50 years living here.  He never became a naturalised citizen of New Zealand.   In 1883,  at the age of 50 years he married an English woman in New Plymouth,  Taranaki,  New Zealand and they had 3 children.  Francis died there in August 1917 aged 84 years.  We do not know which island he came from and if anyone in the room has any connection or knowledge of him or his family I’d be very grateful to hear from you.  He is my Gt Grandfather.

My Uncle who knows less than I do told me that about 30 years ago a lady from America came looking for our family.  Perhaps we have some American relatives? Thanks, Tony

[Cheri Mello]

Tony,

I don't live in New Zealand and have never done New Zealand research.  I would guess that you would have to trace him in NZ with every source you can find.  Death records, marriage records, obituaries, their kids' baptisms, etc.  Your local genealogy society probably has a list regarding how to trace an immigrant ancestor out of NZ.  I think there may be a couple of NZ researchers on this list too.  Maybe they will have ideas for you.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[Maria Lima]

Hi Tony

Cheri is correct about the documents that will lead you to know where in the Azores he came from.  

If you could find the wife's name then you could look on pioneer index for more info.  That is how I discovered info that lex ne to uncover much about our 2 gold miner great grandfathers (actually my husband's). If ge married an English girl, maybe she was Wesleyan.  I learned that they were dissenters fm the Church of England, as was the case in one of our ancestors.  Your gr grandfather was born a few year before our 2guys 1836 and 1838 but there were several siblings born before them.  They were drawn to Australia by the goldfields.  Any family stories that would give more of a clue?

I was able to get the marriage certificate for my husband's gr grandfather and that's how I knew they were married by theWesleyan minister.  

I alzo found them on unassisted passengers comment on the ship Water Lily in 1853.  Are there museums in the New Zealand area where they preserve names and history like they have in Victoria.

Try cemetery where the family lived.  Sounds like stayed put in one area (?) so if he was a carpenter maybe he made furniture- the old newspapers had many ads.  I learned slot about out guys from the Creswick and Clunes daily Register and Advertiser.  Then I sent away to the public records office Victoria for each of 18 articles where their names are mentioned.  It is tedios but peopke in Victoria were amazingly helpful as I live in the US.  I hope you keep looking and you will find him.  My husband's gr grandfathers were J J DE LIMA and their father was Antonio José.  Best of luck             

Maria Elena

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[Tony Matthews]

Thanks to both Cheri & maria Lima for the useful hints.  I been to Archives NZ and they were very helpful and supplied me some information which I didn't have.  This is how I found out my GtGt Grandfathers name and as I said earlier his place of birth is listed as Azores or Western Isles, neither of which is very useful!  The Obits & Marriage papers were of no use either.  I can only surmise given the period in which he lived, he didn't have an easy time of it not being "english' and authorities possibly found it easier just to say 'Western Isles' on official documents. I have spent hours pouring over shipping lists and did find a Francis Joseph from Flores, who seems about the right age, travelled to Nantuckett, Nantuckett, Mass and later on was perhaps the same man sailing the Atlantic & Pacific showing up in Australia.  Both the time frame and age of the individual fits at various recorded points.  However there is absolutely no proof it is my Gt Grandfather at this point. I haven't had much luck with either Ancestry.com or Mr Holmes' site. So here's hoping someone, some where may have some info,  I read my Azores- Geneology emails every day and delight when someone gets some good news about an ancestor! Thanks, Tony  --- On Sun, 20/5/12, Maria Lima <maria....@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Maria Lima <maria....@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francis Joseph To: "azo...@googlegroups.com" <azo...@googlegroups.com> Cc: "<azo...@googlegroups.com>" <azo...@googlegroups.com> Date: Sunday, 20, May, 2012, 7:06 AM

Hi Tony Cheri is correct about the documents that will lead you to know where in the Azores he came from.   If you could find the wife's name then you could look on pioneer index for more info.  That is how I discovered info that lex ne to uncover much about our 2 gold miner great grandfathers (actually my husband's). If ge married an English girl, maybe she was Wesleyan.  I learned that they were dissenters fm the Church of England, as was the case in one of our ancestors.  Your gr grandfather was born a few year before our 2guys 1836 and 1838 but there were several siblings born before them.  They were drawn to Australia by the goldfields.  Any family stories that would give more of a clue? I was able to get the marriage certificate for my husband's gr grandfather and that's how I knew they were married by theWesleyan minister.   I alzo found them on unassisted passengers comment on the ship Water Lily in 1853.  Are there museums in the New Zealand area where they preserve names and history like they have in Victoria. Try cemetery where the family lived.  Sounds like stayed put in one area (?) so if he was a carpenter maybe he made furniture- the old newspapers had many ads.  I learned slot about out guys from the Creswick and Clunes daily Register and Advertiser.  Then I sent away to the public records office Victoria for each of 18 articles where their names are mentioned.  It is tedios but peopke in Victoria were amazingly helpful as I live in the US.  I hope you keep looking and you will find him.  My husband's gr grandfathers were J J DE LIMA and their father was Antonio José.  Best of luck              Maria Elena On May 19, 2012, at 2:49 AM, "Tony" <tone2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Francis Joseph was born in 1833,  some where in the Azores.  His Father was carpenter   named Antonio.  We don’t  know the name of his Mother.  Francis left the Azores as a young boy and

spent some years on whaling ships before “jumping ship” in New Zealand.  He was then 34 years old and spent the next 50 years living here.  He never became a naturalised citizen of New Zealand..   In 1883,  at the age of 50 years he married an English woman in New Plymouth,  Taranaki,  New Zealand and they had 3 children.  Francis died there in August 1917 aged 84 years.  We do not know which island he came from and if anyone in the room has any connection or knowledge of him or his family I’d be very grateful to hear from you.  He is my Gt Grandfather.

My Uncle who knows less than I do told me that about 30 years ago a lady from America came looking for our family.  Perhaps we have some American relatives? Thanks, Tony

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[chris murray]

Hi Tony,  I am in Australia and have a ggg grandfather that came here from the Azores. At my local library i have access to the Victorian BDM records and would be happy to research your family connections . Let me know if i can help , please send me as much detail as you can on the names and approximate dates and if possible the town where they might have lived.  I can also access cemetery files. All at no cost. Will be pleased to help.  Maria Lima and i got so excited last year as we thought that both our Azores relations came to Australia on the ship Water Lily but it was not to be the case

Best Wishes

Chris

From: Tony Matthews <ton...@xtra.co.nz>
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2012 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francis Joseph

Thanks to both Cheri & maria Lima for the useful hints.  I been to Archives NZ and they were very helpful and supplied me some information which I didn't have.  This is how I found out my GtGt Grandfathers name and as I said earlier his place of birth is listed as Azores or Western Isles, neither of which is very useful!  The Obits & Marriage papers were of no use either.  I can only surmise given the period in which he lived, he didn't have an easy time of it not being "english' and authorities possibly found it easier just to say 'Western Isles' on official documents. I have spent hours pouring over shipping lists and did find a Francis Joseph from Flores, who seems about the right age, travelled to Nantuckett, Nantuckett, Mass and later on was perhaps the same man sailing the Atlantic & Pacific showing up in Australia.  Both the time frame and age of the individual fits at various recorded points.  However there is absolutely no proof it is my Gt Grandfather at this point. I haven't had much luck with either Ancestry.com or Mr Holmes' site. So here's hoping someone, some where may have some info,  I read my Azores- Geneology emails every day and delight when someone gets some good news about an ancestor! Thanks, Tony --- On Sun, 20/5/12, Maria Lima <maria....@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Maria Lima <maria....@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francis Joseph To: "azo...@googlegroups.com" <azo...@googlegroups.com> Cc: "<azo...@googlegroups.com>" <azo...@googlegroups.com> Date: Sunday, 20, May, 2012, 7:06 AM

Hi Tony Cheri is correct about the documents that will lead you to know where in the Azores he came from.   If you could find the wife's name then you could look on pioneer index for more info.  That is how I discovered info that lex ne to uncover much about our 2 gold miner great grandfathers (actually my husband's). If ge married an English girl, maybe she was Wesleyan.  I learned that they were dissenters fm the Church of England, as was the case in one of our ancestors.  Your gr grandfather was born a few year before our 2guys 1836 and 1838 but there were several siblings born before them.  They were drawn to Australia by the goldfields.  Any family stories that would give more of a clue? I was able to get the marriage certificate for my husband's gr grandfather and that's how I knew they were married by theWesleyan minister.   I alzo found them on unassisted passengers comment on the ship Water Lily in 1853.  Are there museums in the New Zealand area where they preserve names and history like they have in Victoria. Try cemetery where the family lived.  Sounds like stayed put in one area (?) so if he was a carpenter maybe he made furniture- the old newspapers had many ads.  I learned slot about out guys from the Creswick and Clunes daily Register and Advertiser.  Then I sent away to the public records office Victoria for each of 18 articles where their names are mentioned.  It is tedios but peopke in Victoria were amazingly helpful as I live in the US.  I hope you keep looking and you will find him.  My husband's gr grandfathers were J J DE LIMA and their father was Antonio José.  Best of luck             Maria Elena On May 19, 2012, at 2:49 AM, "Tony" <tone2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Francis Joseph was born in 1833,  some where in the Azores.  His Father was carpenter   named Antonio.  We don’t  know the name of his Mother.  Francis left the Azores as a young boy and spent some years on whaling ships before “jumping ship” in New Zealand.  He was then 34 years old and spent the next 50 years living here.  He never became a naturalised citizen of New Zealand..   In 1883,  at the age of 50 years he married an English woman in New Plymouth,  Taranaki,  New Zealand and they had 3 children.  Francis died there in August 1917 aged 84 years.  We do not know which island he came from and if anyone in the room has any connection or knowledge of him or his family I’d be very grateful to hear from you.  He is my Gt Grandfather. My Uncle who knows less than I do told me that about 30 years ago a lady from America came looking for our family.  Perhaps we have some American relatives? Thanks, Tony

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[Tony Matthews]

Thanks Chris Murray for the offer of help. Can I contact you privately at some point after I've got an answer to my latest search!  It's very much like looking for a needle in a haystack. On the health side of things we must all remember to get off of our chairs and have a walk around occasionally to ward off DVT's! It's so easy to sit in front of our computers for hours on end chasing leads on our ancestors. Cheers, Tony --- On Mon, 21/5/12, chris murray <cmur...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

spent some years on whaling ships before “jumping ship” in New Zealand.  He was then 34 years old and spent the next 50 years living here.  He never became a naturalised citizen of New Zealand...   In 1883,  at the age of 50 years he married an English woman in New Plymouth,  Taranaki,  New Zealand and they had 3 children.  Francis died there in August 1917 aged 84 years.  We do not know which island he came from and if anyone in the room has any connection or knowledge of him or his family I’d be very grateful to hear from you.  He is my Gt Grandfather.

My Uncle who knows less than I do told me that about 30 years ago a lady from America came looking for our family.  Perhaps we have some American relatives? Thanks, Tony

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[Maria Lima]

The only 2 cents I can think of for Tony is  at first  I thought hmm at least I haven't seen that many  Francis Josephs. 

 I tried visualibg all the common names and then it hut me:  his name in the records of the Azores  was probably FRANCISCO JOSE.- not Francis Joseph.   I don't know if this sheds a sliver of  light  on anything.     

Maria Elena

[anitawanita]

Hi Tony,

My GG Grandfather was also from Flores, Azores (Ponta Delgada)... Left
as 14yr old & jumped from a whaling ship in Wellington at about 18yrs.
Eventually became naturalised & married an English Settlers' daughter
- they had 9 children in NZ.

We found that his name changed from the original, perhaps officially
when signing his naturalisation documents...The NZ family knew him as
Manuel Jose Bernard, yet he was Jose Bernardo de Almeida at birth. He
has a few relatives also called Francisco Jose, but the DOB does not
match - could be a cousin!

We've pieced together much of Manuels tree re ancestors thanks to this
group & 'Azores Nation' website... Still hoping to find some more of
his siblings & their descendants.

Let us know how you get on,

Anita

[chris murray]

Hi Tony, That will be fine for you to contact me at my email address

Best Wishes

Chris

From: Tony Matthews <ton...@xtra.co.nz>
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2012 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francis Joseph

Thanks Chris Murray for the offer of help. Can I contact you privately at some point after I've got an answer to my latest search!  It's very much like looking for a needle in a haystack.

On the health side of things we must all remember to get off of our chairs and have a walk around occasionally to ward off DVT's! It's so easy to sit in front of our computers for hours on end chasing leads on our ancestors. Cheers, Tony--- On Mon, 21/5/12, chris murray <cmur...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

From: chris murray <cmur...@yahoo.com.au> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francis Joseph To: "azo...@googlegroups.com" <azo...@googlegroups.com> Date: Monday, 21, May, 2012, 11:12 PM

Hi Tony,  I am in Australia and have a ggg grandfather that came here from the Azores. At my local library i have access to the Victorian BDM records and would be happy to research your family connections . Let me know if i can help , please send me as much detail as you can on the names and approximate dates and if possible the town where they might have lived.  I can also access cemetery files. All at no cost. Will be pleased to help.  Maria Lima and i got so excited last year as we thought that both our Azores relations came to Australia on the ship Water Lily but it was not to be the case Best Wishes Chris

From: Tony Matthews <ton...@xtra.co.nz>To: azo...@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2012 4:11 PMSubject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francis Joseph

Thanks to both Cheri & maria Lima for the useful hints.  I been to Archives NZ and they were very helpful and supplied me some information which I didn't have.  This is how I found out my GtGt Grandfathers name and as I said earlier his place of birth is listed as Azores or Western Isles, neither of which is very useful!  The Obits & Marriage papers were of no use either.  I can only surmise given the period in which he lived, he didn't have an easy time of it not being "english' and authorities possibly found it easier just to say 'Western Isles' on official documents. I have spent hours pouring over shipping lists and did find a Francis Joseph from Flores, who seems about the right age, travelled to Nantuckett, Nantuckett, Mass and later on was perhaps the same man sailing the Atlantic & Pacific showing up in Australia.  Both the time frame and age of the individual fits at various recorded points.  However there is absolutely no proof it is my Gt Grandfather at this point. I haven't had much luck with either Ancestry.com or Mr Holmes' site. So here's hoping someone, some where may have some info,  I read my Azores- Geneology emails every day and delight when someone gets some good news about an ancestor! Thanks, Tony  --- On Sun, 20/5/12, Maria Lima <maria....@gmail.com> wrote: From: Maria Lima <maria....@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francis Joseph To: "azo...@googlegroups.com" <azo...@googlegroups.com> Cc: "<azo...@googlegroups.com>" <azo...@googlegroups.com> Date: Sunday, 20, May, 2012, 7:06 AM Hi Tony Cheri is correct about the documents that will lead you to know where in the Azores he came from.   If you could find the wife's name then you could look on pioneer index for more info.  That is how I discovered info that lex ne to uncover much about our 2 gold miner great grandfathers (actually my husband's). If ge married an English girl, maybe she was Wesleyan.  I learned that they were dissenters fm the Church of England, as was the case in one of our ancestors.  Your gr grandfather was born a few year before our 2guys 1836 and 1838 but there were several siblings born before them.  They were drawn to Australia by the goldfields.  Any family stories that would give more of a clue? I was able to get the marriage certificate for my husband's gr grandfather and that's how I knew they were married by theWesleyan minister.   I alzo found them on unassisted passengers comment on the ship Water Lily in 1853.  Are there museums in the New Zealand area where they preserve names and history like they have in Victoria. Try cemetery where the family lived.  Sounds like stayed put in one area (?) so if he was a carpenter maybe he made furniture- the old newspapers had many ads.  I learned slot about out guys from the Creswick and Clunes daily Register and Advertiser.  Then I sent away to the public records office Victoria for each of 18 articles where their names are mentioned.  It is tedios but peopke in Victoria were amazingly helpful as I live in the US.  I hope you keep looking and you will find him.  My husband's gr grandfathers were J J DE LIMA and their father was Antonio José.  Best of luck              Maria Elena On May 19, 2012, at 2:49 AM, "Tony" <tone2...@gmail.com> wrote: Francis Joseph was born in 1833,  some where in the Azores.  His Father was carpenter   named Antonio.  We don’t  know the name of his Mother.  Francis left the Azores as a young boy and spent some years on whaling ships before “jumping ship” in New Zealand.  He was then 34 years old and spent the next 50 years living here.  He never became a naturalised citizen of New Zealand...   In 1883,  at the age of 50 years he married an English woman in New Plymouth,  Taranaki,  New Zealand and they had 3 children.  Francis died there in August 1917 aged 84 years.  We do not know which island he came from and if anyone in the room has any connection or knowledge of him or his family I’d be very grateful to hear from you.  He is my Gt Grandfather. My Uncle who knows less than I do told me that about 30 years ago a lady from America came looking for our family.  Perhaps we have some American relatives? Thanks, Tony -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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[Tony Matthews]

Thanks Anita for your own interesting story.  Yes, I did try using the Francisco Jose moniker but so far no luck with that even.  We suspect he angliscised his name which may make it harder to trace and even more so if he has dropped off the last "portion" of his birth name or changed it completely as some did!. I haven't been able to find which ship he supposedly jumped from either which doesn't help.  I did read when scanning the shipping records, there were instances of escaping sailors drowning in their attempt to jump ship. Guess I'll just to be patient and apparently I am not, judging by the re-action from my sister & niece when we shopped for clothes for my mother yesterday.  I'll leave women to shop alone in future lol. Tony --- On Wed, 23/5/12, anitawanita <anita....@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: anitawanita <anita....@hotmail.com> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Francis Joseph To: "Azores Genealogy" <azo...@googlegroups.com> Date: Wednesday, 23, May, 2012, 2:50 AM

Hi Tony, My GG Grandfather was also from Flores, Azores (Ponta Delgada)... Left as 14yr old & jumped from a whaling ship in Wellington at about 18yrs. Eventually became naturalised & married an English Settlers' daughter - they had 9 children in NZ. We found that his name changed from the original, perhaps officially when signing his naturalisation documents...The NZ family knew him as Manuel Jose Bernard, yet he was Jose Bernardo de Almeida at birth. He has a few relatives  also called Francisco Jose, but the DOB does not match - could be a cousin! We've pieced together much of Manuels tree re ancestors thanks to this group & 'Azores Nation' website... Still hoping to find some more of his siblings & their descendants. Let us know how you get on, Anita On May 19, 3:49 pm, "Tony" <tone2ma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Francis Joseph was born in 1833,  some where in the Azores..  His Father was carpenter   named Antonio.  We don’t  know the name of his Mother.  Francis left the Azores as a young boy and

> spent some years on whaling ships before “jumping ship” in New Zealand.  He was then 34 years old and spent the next 50 years living here.  He never became a naturalised citizen of New Zealand.   In 1883,  at the age of 50 years he married an English woman in New Plymouth,  Taranaki,  New Zealand and they had 3 children.  Francis died there in August 1917 aged 84 years.  We do not know which island he came from and if anyone in the room has any connection or knowledge of him or his family I’d be very grateful to hear from you.  He is my Gt Grandfather. > My Uncle who knows less than I do told me that about 30 years ago a lady from America came looking for our family.  Perhaps we have some American relatives? Thanks, Tony

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[Tony Matthews]

Thanks Maria Lima for the suggestion,  I will continue the hunt in both versions of his name. It was only this past week  that I was able to find the name of his father Antonio. So there is hope yet! Tony

--- On Tue, 22/5/12, Maria Lima <maria....@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Maria Lima <maria....@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francis Joseph To: "azo...@googlegroups.com" <azo...@googlegroups.com> Cc: "azo...@googlegroups.com" <azo...@googlegroups.com> Date: Tuesday, 22, May, 2012, 11:07 AM

The only 2 cents I can think of for Tony is  at first  I thought hmm at least I haven't seen that many  Francis Josephs.   I tried visualibg all the common names and then it hut me:  his name in the records of the Azores  was probably FRANCISCO JOSE.- not Francis Joseph.   I don't know if this sheds a sliver of  light  on anything.      Maria Elena

spent some years on whaling ships before “jumping ship” in New Zealand.  He was then 34 years old and spent the next 50 years living here.  He never became a naturalised citizen of New Zealand...   In 1883,  at the age of 50 years he married an English woman in New Plymouth,  Taranaki,  New Zealand and they had 3 children.  Francis died there in August 1917 aged 84 years.  We do not know which island he came from and if anyone in the room has any connection or knowledge of him or his family I’d be very grateful to hear from you.  He is my Gt Grandfather.

My Uncle who knows less than I do told me that about 30 years ago a lady from America came looking for our family.  Perhaps we have some American relatives? Thanks, Tony

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[anitawanita]

Cheers Tony...

Ahh yes shopping, best not to get in the way of a good bargain! :)

Trouble with researching the Azores, all the names are so similar &
get copied through many generations... Our GG Grandfather also has a
brother named Antonio.

I'm planning a visit to Flores early next year - hopefully by then you
will have learned some more info & I would be happy to do a little
'digging' for you when I'm there.

I heard a story that our GG grandfather decided to jump ship (hide out
on the dock) in Wellington due to mistreatment/not being paid. He was
eventually found and ordered back on to the ship, and his employers
ordered to pay him etc. As they were leaving the harbour, Jose
literally jumped ship at Barretts reef & swam to safety. The rest as
they say is history!

Cheers,
Anita

[Frank or JoElayne Johnson]

Isn't that funny. That is the same story told about our grandfather only it was San Francisco and his name was Manuel de Mattos!

 

JoElayne Ferre' Johnson

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