Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva - Fenais da Ajuda
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Eliseu Silva
Oct 27, 2012, 9:10:36 AM10/27/12
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Hi GROUP,
Does anyone have information on this couple: Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva?
They were the parents of Maria de Paiva married to Anacleto Pacheco of Fenais da Ajuda (former Fenaes de Vera Cruz) in N. Sra. da Estrela, Matriz da Ribeira Grande, 4th of february, 1741? They are my 9th grandparents
(Anacleto Pacheco, dos Fenais da Ajuda, casou na Matriz da Ribeira Grande, a 4.2.1741, com Maria de Paiva, filha de Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva.)
Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
Researching S. Miguel and Graciosa: PACHECO, ARRUDA, SILVA, SOUSA, BETTENCOURT
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Manoel Cesar
Oct 27, 2012, 10:04:56 AM10/27/12
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Hi Eliseu,
I have Pacheco from Fenais da Vera Cruz:
José Pacheco m. to Rosa de Medeiros (or Rosa Maria), around 1810 (I
don´t have the date of their marriage).
They are parents of Plácido de Medeiros who married Ludovina Isabel
from S. Roque on 16 feb 1843 in Fenais da Vera Cruz.
Manoel
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I have Pacheco from Fenais da Vera Cruz:
José Pacheco m. to Rosa de Medeiros (or Rosa Maria), around 1810 (I
don´t have the date of their marriage).
They are parents of Plácido de Medeiros who married Ludovina Isabel
from S. Roque on 16 feb 1843 in Fenais da Vera Cruz.
Manoel
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Eliseu Silva
Oct 27, 2012, 10:35:35 AM10/27/12
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Obrigado Manoel,
Está difícil passar daqui para trás...
Está difícil passar daqui para trás...
Manoel Cesar
Oct 27, 2012, 3:21:09 PM10/27/12
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Eliseu,
Tenho também uma Isabel de Paiva, da Ribeira Grande, casada com Manuel
Vieira, por volta de 1670.
São pais de Salvador Vieira c.c. Margarida Lopes aos 20.12.1702 na
Ribeira Grande - Estrela.
Essa minha Isabel de Paiva também é por enquanto um dos meus
fim-de-linha na Ribeira Grande, entre outros.
Tenho também uma Isabel de Paiva, da Ribeira Grande, casada com Manuel
Vieira, por volta de 1670.
São pais de Salvador Vieira c.c. Margarida Lopes aos 20.12.1702 na
Ribeira Grande - Estrela.
Essa minha Isabel de Paiva também é por enquanto um dos meus
fim-de-linha na Ribeira Grande, entre outros.
Dano
Oct 27, 2012, 11:59:37 PM10/27/12
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Ola Eliseu,
Anacleto Pacheco of Fenais d'Ajuda/Vera Cruz is in my ancestral line
(7c5r). RR lists his marriage to Maria de Paiva, dau of Manuel Afonso
x Maria de Paiva, as 4-Feb-1741/MRG (Genealogias de S. Miguel e Santa
Maria -pga 296). Our common ancestors are Alvaro Lopes do Vulcao x
Mecia Afonso.
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Anacleto Pacheco of Fenais d'Ajuda/Vera Cruz is in my ancestral line
(7c5r). RR lists his marriage to Maria de Paiva, dau of Manuel Afonso
x Maria de Paiva, as 4-Feb-1741/MRG (Genealogias de S. Miguel e Santa
Maria -pga 296). Our common ancestors are Alvaro Lopes do Vulcao x
Mecia Afonso.
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Eliseu Silva
Oct 28, 2012, 5:43:46 PM10/28/12
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Hi!!! (cousin)
Can I have your pedigree line on a document (or any other), please?
Can I have your pedigree line on a document (or any other), please?
Eliseu Silva
Oct 28, 2012, 5:44:33 PM10/28/12
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Thank you NANCY
Manoel Cesar
Oct 28, 2012, 8:53:01 PM10/28/12
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I descend from Margarida Afonso daughter of Mecia Afonso.
RR - Cap.º 8.º § Único, N.º 2
We have a common ancestor: Francisco Anes, da Praia.
(Frutuoso, Livro IV, Capítulos XV e XX).
Manoel
2012/10/28 Dano <dpa...@gmail.com>:
RR - Cap.º 8.º § Único, N.º 2
We have a common ancestor: Francisco Anes, da Praia.
(Frutuoso, Livro IV, Capítulos XV e XX).
Manoel
2012/10/28 Dano <dpa...@gmail.com>:
Manoel Cesar
Oct 28, 2012, 9:02:10 PM10/28/12
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Sorry. Margarida Afonso is the sister not the daughter of Mecia Afonso.
Manoel
2012/10/28 Manoel Cesar <man...@gmail.com>:
Manoel
2012/10/28 Manoel Cesar <man...@gmail.com>:
Nancy Couto
Oct 28, 2012, 10:02:42 PM10/28/12
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Manoel,
I think you are right both times. According to my files, Margarida Afonso is the sister of the Mecia Afonso who married Alvaro Lopes and the daughter of the Mecia Afonso who married Francisco Anes. (There were apparently two Mecia Afonsos, mother and daughter, although there is some confusion over the names.) I'm attaching a report. Let me know if it differs from your research.
It looks as though you, Dano, Eliseu, and I are all cousins.
Nancy
I think you are right both times. According to my files, Margarida Afonso is the sister of the Mecia Afonso who married Alvaro Lopes and the daughter of the Mecia Afonso who married Francisco Anes. (There were apparently two Mecia Afonsos, mother and daughter, although there is some confusion over the names.) I'm attaching a report. Let me know if it differs from your research.
It looks as though you, Dano, Eliseu, and I are all cousins.
Nancy
Dano
Oct 29, 2012, 12:22:28 AM10/29/12
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Correct - on all counts, Nancy!
> Descendants of Pedro Esteves Rocha e Machado 2012-10-28.pdf
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> 215KViewDownload
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Oct 29, 2012, 11:38:30 AM10/29/12
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Hi Eliseu, I also have Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva as ancestors. My
Pacheco's Barbosa, and Pacheco Aragao go back to Francisco Anes de Praia and
Mecia Afonso . and to Martim Goncalves Travassos and Catarina Dias de Melo
.Would like to see more of your Pacheco line. Henrietta cousin from
Gracioso and St. Michael.
Pacheco's Barbosa, and Pacheco Aragao go back to Francisco Anes de Praia and
Mecia Afonso . and to Martim Goncalves Travassos and Catarina Dias de Melo
.Would like to see more of your Pacheco line. Henrietta cousin from
Gracioso and St. Michael.
Manoel Cesar
Oct 29, 2012, 12:08:41 PM10/29/12
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Yes Nancy, you're right, we are all cousins.
Your report doesn´t differ from my research.
My line comes from Duarte Pires da Rocha son of Pedro Afonso da Rocha
and Margarida Afonso, married to Ana Fernandes de Paiva (RR - Cap.º
148.º § 1.º, Nº 4).
Ana Fernandes de Paiva was d. of Fernão Afonso de Paiva and Beatriz
Pires Delgado.
(RR - CAPÍTULO 131.º - DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE FERNÃO AFONSO DE PAIVA, § 1.º).
Manoel Cesar Furtado
2012/10/29 Nancy Couto <nvcou...@gmail.com>:
Your report doesn´t differ from my research.
My line comes from Duarte Pires da Rocha son of Pedro Afonso da Rocha
and Margarida Afonso, married to Ana Fernandes de Paiva (RR - Cap.º
148.º § 1.º, Nº 4).
Ana Fernandes de Paiva was d. of Fernão Afonso de Paiva and Beatriz
Pires Delgado.
(RR - CAPÍTULO 131.º - DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE FERNÃO AFONSO DE PAIVA, § 1.º).
Manoel Cesar Furtado
2012/10/29 Nancy Couto <nvcou...@gmail.com>:
Eliseu Silva
Oct 29, 2012, 4:36:49 PM10/29/12
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Sure cousin!!!! I will send a report of what I have! Please allow me some
time to do it! ;)
time to do it! ;)
Hermano C. Pires
Oct 29, 2012, 5:09:22 PM10/29/12
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Hello cousins !!!
I might as well pipe in here and introduce myself as the 17th great-grandson of Pedro Esteves Machado da/e Rocha.
I have be following you correspondencewith great interest and followed most of you in this group for some time suspeting a connection which it seems has finaly come.
Hermano
I might as well pipe in here and introduce myself as the 17th great-grandson of Pedro Esteves Machado da/e Rocha.
I have be following you correspondencewith great interest and followed most of you in this group for some time suspeting a connection which it seems has finaly come.
Hermano
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Eliseu Silva
Oct 29, 2012, 5:11:54 PM10/29/12
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WELLCOME Hermano!!!
Manoel Cesar
Oct 29, 2012, 6:01:53 PM10/29/12
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Hi Nancy,
I noticed that we are also connected through the Alvaro Camelo Pereira line.
I descend from Maria de Medeiros (m. to Manuel Fernandes de Lima),
the sister of your Barbara de Medeiros Camelo daughter of Gaspar
Camelo Pereira x Guiomar Alvares Pinheiro..
(RR - chapter 184º, § 1º, Nº 6).
Manoel
2012/10/28 Nancy Couto <nvcou...@gmail.com>:
I noticed that we are also connected through the Alvaro Camelo Pereira line.
I descend from Maria de Medeiros (m. to Manuel Fernandes de Lima),
the sister of your Barbara de Medeiros Camelo daughter of Gaspar
Camelo Pereira x Guiomar Alvares Pinheiro..
(RR - chapter 184º, § 1º, Nº 6).
Manoel
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Nancy Couto
Oct 29, 2012, 9:58:58 PM10/29/12
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Hello cousins.
Manoel, I see how we're connected. The Camelo Pereira line is interesting. This makes us probably 11th cousins, or something like that. My most recent Pereiras lived in Sao Roque (Rosto de Cao).
Eliseu, I look forward to seeing your report. No rush.
Hermano, Pedro Esteves Rocha e Machado (or Machado da Rocha--I've seen it spelled both ways) is my 17th great-grandfather, as well. He sounds like a colorful and possibly dangerous character. Does this make us 18th cousins? We're already 3rd cousins, if I recall correctly, on the Frias line. I think our common ancestor on that side is Jose de Frias Bode.
Dano and Henrietta, we're definitely cousins. This is great. We should all compare detailed reports. Do either of you have ancestors living in Sao Roque in the 19th century?
Here in upstate New York we're expecting the storm, now a post-tropical cyclone, to bring heavy rain and winds. The people on the coast have it a lot worse. But things are tense right now, and these genealogical discoveries are a good diversion..
Best wishes,
Nancy
Manoel, I see how we're connected. The Camelo Pereira line is interesting. This makes us probably 11th cousins, or something like that. My most recent Pereiras lived in Sao Roque (Rosto de Cao).
Eliseu, I look forward to seeing your report. No rush.
Hermano, Pedro Esteves Rocha e Machado (or Machado da Rocha--I've seen it spelled both ways) is my 17th great-grandfather, as well. He sounds like a colorful and possibly dangerous character. Does this make us 18th cousins? We're already 3rd cousins, if I recall correctly, on the Frias line. I think our common ancestor on that side is Jose de Frias Bode.
Dano and Henrietta, we're definitely cousins. This is great. We should all compare detailed reports. Do either of you have ancestors living in Sao Roque in the 19th century?
Here in upstate New York we're expecting the storm, now a post-tropical cyclone, to bring heavy rain and winds. The people on the coast have it a lot worse. But things are tense right now, and these genealogical discoveries are a good diversion..
Best wishes,
Nancy
Eliseu Silva
Oct 30, 2012, 5:58:00 AM10/30/12
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Hi all.
This is my direct line. Would you like any other information? Please let me know
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Muito Obrigado,
Nancy Couto
Oct 30, 2012, 11:14:49 AM10/30/12
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Thanks, Eliseu. Our common ancestor is Luzia Vieira.
I notice you show "Fulana" for Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado's spouse. Is this an actual name, or just a word that means "woman." I googled it and got mixed results. All I have for Pedro's wife is that she was born about 1412.
Nancy
I notice you show "Fulana" for Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado's spouse. Is this an actual name, or just a word that means "woman." I googled it and got mixed results. All I have for Pedro's wife is that she was born about 1412.
Nancy
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Marcio Borba
Oct 30, 2012, 12:08:37 PM10/30/12
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| I think your Barbosa da Silva line connects to mine Heitor Barbosa da Silva Marcio Borba Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com --- Em ter, 30/10/12, Eliseu Silva <eliseu...@gmail.com> escreveu: |
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Manoel Cesar
Oct 30, 2012, 12:38:11 PM10/30/12
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I also descend from Heitor Barbosa da Silva married to Guiomar Pacheco.
RR - Cap.º 15.º, § 1.º
My ancestor is Ana Moniz Barbosa m. to Antonio da Costa Furtado before 1620. She was dau. of Pedro Barbosa da Silva and Maria de Medeiros.
The Ana Moniz Barbosa line goes back to the settlers: Rui Vaz de Medeiros; Gonçalo Vaz Botelho, o Grande; Rui Lopes, Cavaleiro; Alvaro Lopes, do Vulcão; Gonçalo Moniz Barreto; Cristovão Martins; Pedro Vaz Pacheco; Nuno Velho de Travassos.
Manoel Cesar Furtado
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Marcio Borba
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| I descend from Heitor and wife Guiomar, thru his son Pedro Barbosa da Silva and his second wife Isabel Pacheco Cerveira |
Marcio Borba Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com |
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Manoel Cesar
Oct 30, 2012, 1:34:03 PM10/30/12
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That´s great!
I'm surprised with my maternal side, the Botelho's from Lagoa and S. Roque in the 1800's.
Until now I am connected to 50 chapters of the Rodrigo Rodrigues book.
Here's what I have :
Francisco Botelho – troncos da ilha de São Miguel (Genealogias de S. Miguel de Rodrigo Rodrigues)
- Fernão Velho (Velho, Cabral, Travassos) – Capítulo 33º (2x)
- Gonçalo Anes – Capítulo 175º
- Rodrigo Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro – Capítulo 78º (2x)
- Afonso Álvares de Benevides – Capítulo 135º
- Gonçalo de Teve e seu irmão Pedro Cordeiro – Capítulo 12º (2x)
- Rui Lopes, Cavaleiro – Capítulo 15º
- Gonçalo Vaz Botelho, o Grande – Capítulo 1º
- Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa – Capítulo 85º
- Manuel Domingues – Capítulo 145º (2x)
- Pedro Vaz Pacheco – Capítulo 29º
- Álvaro Lopes, do Vulcão – Capítulo 19º
- João Afonso das Grotas Fundas – Capítulo 139º (3x)
- João de Albernaz – Capítulo 138º
- Afonso Rodrigues Pavão, Alemão – Capítulo 39º (3x)
- Fernão Afonso de Paiva – Capítulo 131º (3x)
- Luís Fernandes da Costa – Capítulo 133º
- Afonso Lourenço – Capítulo 9º (2x)
- Diogo de Oliveira de Vasconcelos – Capítulo 49º (2x)
- Gonçalo Vaz Carreiro – Capítulo 82º
- Gonçalo do Rego, o Velho – Capítulo 18º
- Jorge Velho – Capítulo 103º
- Martim Vaz, o Cavaleiro – Capítulo 173º
- Afonso Anes do Couto – Capítulo 290º
- Domingos de Simas – Capítulo 186º
- Gonçalo Enes – Capítulo 240º
- Domingos Martins – Capítulo 287º
- Pedro Coelho Pimentel – Capítulo 259º
- Manuel Vieira Mourato – Capítulo 244º
- Baltazar Vidal – Capítulo 238º
- Vasco Vicente Raposo – Capítulo 102º
- Jorge Roiz Cernando – Capítulo 151º
- Fernão Anes Tavares, de Portalegre – Capítulo 45º
- Lopo Dias Homem – Capítulo 162º
- João Vaz Feio ou Faleiro ou Melão, o das Virtudes – Capítulo 31º (2x)
- João de Piemonte – Capítulo 137º
- Pedro Vaz Marinheiro – Capítulo 76º (2x)
- Francisco Fernandes, o Castelhano – Capítulo 134º
- Jorge da Mota – Capítulo 4º
- Álvaro Camelo – Capítulo 184º (2x)
- João Lopes dos Mosteiros – Capítulo 166º
- Rui Vaz de Medeiros – Capítulo 20º (2x)
- Manuel Álvares Pinheiro – Capítulo 154º
- Fernão de Mesa – Capítulo 13º
- Ambrósio de Fontes – Capítulo 84º
- Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado – Capítulo 148º
- Francisco Anes, da Praia – Capítulo 8º
- Lopo Velho – Capítulo 98º
- Gregório Rodrigues Teixeira – Capítulo 147º (2x)
- Cristóvão Martins - Capítulo 164º
- Gonçalo Moniz Barreto - Capítulo 22º
MaryAnn Santos
Oct 30, 2012, 2:06:11 PM10/30/12
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My line too. I'll have to check specifics and will bet back to you.
MaryAnn Santos
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Nancy Couto
Oct 30, 2012, 3:36:51 PM10/30/12
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MaryAnn,
I just checked my Family Finder results, and we match at the level of 3rd-5th cousin. I'd be interested in learning more about your line.
Nancy
I just checked my Family Finder results, and we match at the level of 3rd-5th cousin. I'd be interested in learning more about your line.
Nancy
Marcio Borba
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| This is what I have so far. Still have a few lines to research. Hopefully will give me more connections 1. Fernão Velho (Velho, Cabral, Travassos) – Capítulo 33º (3x) 2. Rodrigo Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro – Capítulo 78º (3x) 3. Afonso Álvares de Benevides – Capítulo 135º 4. Rui Lopes, Cavaleiro – Capítulo 15º 5. Gonçalo Vaz Botelho, o Grande – Capítulo 1º 6. Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa – Capítulo 85º 7. Manuel Domingues – Capítulo 145º 8. Pedro Vaz Pacheco – Capítulo 29º 9. João Afonso das Grotas Fundas – Capítulo 139º (3x) 10. Afonso Lourenço – Capítulo
9º (3x) 11. Diogo de Oliveira de Vasconcelos – Capítulo 49º 12. Gonçalo Vaz Carreiro – Capítulo 82º 13. Jorge Velho – Capítulo 103º 14. Martim Vaz, o Cavaleiro – Capítulo 173º 15. Domingos de Simas – Capítulo 186º 16. João Vaz Feio ou Faleiro ou Melão, o das Virtudes – Capítulo 31º (2x) 17. Pedro Vaz Marinheiro – Capítulo 76º (2x) 18. João Lopes dos Mosteiros – Capítulo 166º 19. Rui Vaz de Medeiros – Capítulo 20º 20. Ambrósio de Fontes – Capítulo
84º 21. Francisco Gonçalves Machado – Capítulo 262º 22. Henrique Ferraz – Capítulo 254º 23. Afonso Anes – Capítulo 50º |
Eliseu Silva
Oct 30, 2012, 4:19:05 PM10/30/12
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Hi Nancy,
Fulana means someone female that we know that must exist but we do not know who she is. The same goes to Fulano for the masculine.
Nancy Couto
Oct 30, 2012, 4:25:15 PM10/30/12
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Thanks, Eliseu.
So the word is just a place-holder, not a name. Pedro's wife will continue to be a mystery.
Nancy
So the word is just a place-holder, not a name. Pedro's wife will continue to be a mystery.
Nancy
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Eliseu Silva
Oct 30, 2012, 4:32:29 PM10/30/12
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Hi All (specially my new found cousins),
This is my direct line from Heitor Barbosa da Silva
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Ancestry of Eliseu Pacheco da Silva up to Heitor Barbosa da Silva
- Generation 1
- 1 - Eliseu Pacheco da Silva, 1958
- Generation 2
- 3 - Inês Arruda Pacheco 1934
- Generation 3
- 7 - Maria Arruda 1904-1993
- Generation 4
- 14 - José Arruda 1876-ca 1907
- Generation 5
- 29 - Maria Melo ou Arruda 1846-
- Generation 6
- 59 - Helena x ca 1820-
- Generation 7
- 119 - Francisca x 1779-
- Generation 8
- Generation 9
- 476 - Anacleto Pacheco
- 478 - João Pacheco 1711-
- Generation 10
- 952 - António Barbosa de Medeiros ou da Silveira 1680-
- 957 - Bárbara Pacheco 1672-1735
- Generation 11
- 1,904 - Tomé Barbosa da Silva ca 1646-1686
- 1,915 - Maria Pacheco ca 1645-1692..1705
- Generation 12
- 3,808 - Jorge Correia Barbosa †/1676
- 3,830 - António Moniz (da Silva ou) Barbosa
- Generation 13
- 7,616 - Heitor Barbosa da Silva, Capitão ca 1565-/1629
- 7,661 - Guiomar Pacheco
- Generation 14
- 15,232 - Pedro Barbosa da Silva ca 1540-
- Generation 15
- 30,464 - Heitor Barbosa da Silva, Cavaleiro Fidalgo da Casa de El-Rei ca 1515-
Diane
Oct 30, 2012, 6:04:24 PM10/30/12
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As a newcomer to the list I am finding this conversation fascinating. I have found my family back to the end of the parish records in around 1700 but am wondering how you can find family going so far back as you have gone. Pardon my ignorance but i would love to know how it is done.
Diane Donnon
South Australia (Great-Granddaughter of Joaquim Machado Pereira born Urzelina 1850).
2012/10/30 Marcio Borba <marciobo...@yahoo.com>
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