Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva - Fenais da Ajuda

227 views
Skip to first unread message

Eliseu Silva

unread,
Oct 27, 2012, 9:10:36 AM10/27/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com

Hi GROUP,

 

Does anyone have information on this couple: Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva?

 

They were the parents of Maria de Paiva married to Anacleto Pacheco of Fenais da Ajuda (former Fenaes de Vera Cruz) in N. Sra. da Estrela, Matriz da Ribeira Grande, 4th of february, 1741? They are my 9th grandparents

(Anacleto Pacheco, dos Fenais da Ajuda, casou na Matriz da Ribeira Grande, a 4.2.1741, com Maria de Paiva, filha de Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva.)

 

 

 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching S. Miguel and Graciosa: PACHECO, ARRUDA, SILVA, SOUSA, BETTENCOURT

Azores Genealogy Group - I am proud of my membership!!! Thanks Cheri!!!

 

Manoel Cesar

unread,
Oct 27, 2012, 10:04:56 AM10/27/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Hi Eliseu,

I have Pacheco from Fenais da Vera Cruz:

José Pacheco m. to Rosa de Medeiros (or Rosa Maria), around 1810 (I
don´t have the date of their marriage).
They are parents of Plácido de Medeiros who married Ludovina Isabel
from S. Roque on 16 feb 1843 in Fenais da Vera Cruz.

Manoel


2012/10/27 Eliseu Silva <eliseu...@gmail.com>:
> --
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> Azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when
> they arrive.
> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right
> that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."



--
Manoel Cesar Furtado
man...@gmail.com

Eliseu Silva

unread,
Oct 27, 2012, 10:35:35 AM10/27/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Obrigado Manoel,

Está difícil passar daqui para trás...

Manoel Cesar

unread,
Oct 27, 2012, 3:21:09 PM10/27/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Eliseu,

Tenho também uma Isabel de Paiva, da Ribeira Grande, casada com Manuel
Vieira, por volta de 1670.
São pais de Salvador Vieira c.c. Margarida Lopes aos 20.12.1702 na
Ribeira Grande - Estrela.

Essa minha Isabel de Paiva também é por enquanto um dos meus
fim-de-linha na Ribeira Grande, entre outros.

Manoel

2012/10/27 Eliseu Silva <eliseu...@gmail.com>:

Dano

unread,
Oct 27, 2012, 11:59:37 PM10/27/12
to Azores Genealogy
Ola Eliseu,
Anacleto Pacheco of Fenais d'Ajuda/Vera Cruz is in my ancestral line
(7c5r). RR lists his marriage to Maria de Paiva, dau of Manuel Afonso
x Maria de Paiva, as 4-Feb-1741/MRG (Genealogias de S. Miguel e Santa
Maria -pga 296). Our common ancestors are Alvaro Lopes do Vulcao x
Mecia Afonso.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Nancy Couto

unread,
Oct 28, 2012, 5:14:55 PM10/28/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Dano and Eliseu,

I have Alvaro Lopes do Vulcao and Mecia Afonso in my line, also.  I'm attaching a descendant chart. 

Nancy
Descendant Chart for Alvaro Lopes 2012-10-28.pdf

Eliseu Silva

unread,
Oct 28, 2012, 5:43:46 PM10/28/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Hi!!! (cousin)

Can I have your pedigree line on a document (or any other), please?

Eliseu Silva

unread,
Oct 28, 2012, 5:44:33 PM10/28/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com

Thank you NANCY

Manoel Cesar

unread,
Oct 28, 2012, 8:53:01 PM10/28/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
I descend from Margarida Afonso daughter of Mecia Afonso.
RR - Cap.º 8.º § Único, N.º 2

We have a common ancestor: Francisco Anes, da Praia.
(Frutuoso, Livro IV, Capítulos XV e XX).

Manoel



2012/10/28 Dano <dpa...@gmail.com>:

Manoel Cesar

unread,
Oct 28, 2012, 9:02:10 PM10/28/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Sorry. Margarida Afonso is the sister not the daughter of Mecia Afonso.

Manoel

2012/10/28 Manoel Cesar <man...@gmail.com>:

Nancy Couto

unread,
Oct 28, 2012, 10:02:42 PM10/28/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Manoel,

I think you are right both times.  According to my files, Margarida Afonso is the sister of the Mecia Afonso who married Alvaro Lopes and the daughter of the Mecia Afonso who married Francisco Anes.  (There were apparently two Mecia Afonsos, mother and daughter, although there is some confusion over the names.)  I'm attaching a report.  Let me know if it differs from your research.

It looks as though you, Dano, Eliseu, and I are all cousins.

Nancy
Descendants of Pedro Esteves Rocha e Machado 2012-10-28.pdf

Dano

unread,
Oct 29, 2012, 12:22:28 AM10/29/12
to Azores Genealogy
Correct - on all counts, Nancy!
>  Descendants of Pedro Esteves Rocha e Machado 2012-10-28.pdf
> 215KViewDownload

hmay...@comcast.net

unread,
Oct 29, 2012, 11:38:30 AM10/29/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Hi Eliseu, I also have Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva as ancestors. My
Pacheco's Barbosa, and Pacheco Aragao go back to Francisco Anes de Praia and
Mecia Afonso . and to Martim Goncalves Travassos and Catarina Dias de Melo
.Would like to see more of your Pacheco line. Henrietta cousin from
Gracioso and St. Michael.

Manoel Cesar

unread,
Oct 29, 2012, 12:08:41 PM10/29/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Yes Nancy, you're right, we are all cousins.
Your report doesn´t differ from my research.

My line comes from Duarte Pires da Rocha son of Pedro Afonso da Rocha
and Margarida Afonso, married to Ana Fernandes de Paiva (RR - Cap.º
148.º § 1.º, Nº 4).

Ana Fernandes de Paiva was d. of Fernão Afonso de Paiva and Beatriz
Pires Delgado.
(RR - CAPÍTULO 131.º - DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE FERNÃO AFONSO DE PAIVA, § 1.º).

Manoel Cesar Furtado




2012/10/29 Nancy Couto <nvcou...@gmail.com>:

Eliseu Silva

unread,
Oct 29, 2012, 4:36:49 PM10/29/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Sure cousin!!!! I will send a report of what I have! Please allow me some
time to do it! ;)

Hermano C. Pires

unread,
Oct 29, 2012, 5:09:22 PM10/29/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Hello cousins !!!
I might as well pipe in here and introduce myself as the 17th great-grandson of Pedro Esteves Machado da/e Rocha.
I have be following you correspondencewith great interest  and followed most of you in this group for some time suspeting a connection which it seems has finaly come.
Hermano
 
> From: eliseu...@gmail.com
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Afonso e Maria de Paiva - Fenais da Ajuda

Eliseu Silva

unread,
Oct 29, 2012, 5:11:54 PM10/29/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com

WELLCOME Hermano!!!

Manoel Cesar

unread,
Oct 29, 2012, 6:01:53 PM10/29/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Hi Nancy,

I noticed that we are also connected through the Alvaro Camelo Pereira line.
I descend from Maria de Medeiros (m. to Manuel Fernandes de Lima),
the sister of your Barbara de Medeiros Camelo daughter of Gaspar
Camelo Pereira x Guiomar Alvares Pinheiro..
(RR - chapter 184º, § 1º, Nº 6).

Manoel

2012/10/28 Nancy Couto <nvcou...@gmail.com>:
> --
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> Azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when
> they arrive.
> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right
> that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."



Nancy Couto

unread,
Oct 29, 2012, 9:58:58 PM10/29/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Hello cousins.

Manoel, I see how we're connected.  The Camelo Pereira line is interesting.  This makes us probably 11th cousins, or something like that.  My most recent Pereiras lived in Sao Roque (Rosto de Cao).

Eliseu, I look forward to seeing your report.  No rush. 

Hermano, Pedro Esteves Rocha e Machado (or Machado da Rocha--I've seen it spelled both ways) is my 17th great-grandfather, as well.  He sounds like a colorful and possibly dangerous character.  Does this make us 18th cousins?  We're already 3rd cousins, if I recall correctly, on the Frias line.  I think our common ancestor on that side is Jose de Frias Bode.

Dano and Henrietta, we're definitely cousins.  This is great.  We should all compare detailed reports.  Do either of you have ancestors living in Sao Roque in the 19th century?

Here in upstate New York we're expecting the storm, now a post-tropical cyclone, to bring heavy rain and winds.  The people on the coast have it a lot worse.  But things are tense right now, and these genealogical discoveries are a good diversion..

Best wishes,
Nancy





Eliseu Silva

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 5:58:00 AM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com

Nancy Couto

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 11:14:49 AM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Thanks, Eliseu.  Our common ancestor is Luzia Vieira. 

I notice you show "Fulana" for Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado's spouse.  Is this an actual name, or just a word that means "woman."  I googled it and got mixed results.  All I have for Pedro's wife is that she was born about 1412.

Nancy



--

Marcio Borba

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 12:08:37 PM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
I think your Barbosa da Silva line connects to mine Heitor Barbosa da Silva

Marcio Borba
Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com

--- Em ter, 30/10/12, Eliseu Silva <eliseu...@gmail.com> escreveu:
--

Manoel Cesar

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 12:38:11 PM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
I also descend from Heitor Barbosa da Silva married to Guiomar Pacheco.
RR - Cap.º 15.º, § 1.º

My ancestor is Ana Moniz Barbosa m. to Antonio da Costa Furtado before 1620. She was dau. of Pedro Barbosa da Silva and Maria de Medeiros.

The Ana Moniz Barbosa line goes back to the settlers: Rui Vaz de Medeiros; Gonçalo Vaz Botelho, o Grande; Rui Lopes, Cavaleiro; Alvaro Lopes, do Vulcão; Gonçalo Moniz Barreto; Cristovão Martins; Pedro Vaz Pacheco; Nuno Velho de Travassos.


Manoel Cesar Furtado


2012/10/30 Marcio Borba <marciobo...@yahoo.com>

Marcio Borba

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 12:52:41 PM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
I descend from Heitor and wife Guiomar, thru his son Pedro Barbosa da Silva and his second wife Isabel Pacheco Cerveira


Marcio Borba
Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com

--- Em ter, 30/10/12, Manoel Cesar <man...@gmail.com> escreveu:

Manoel Cesar

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 1:34:03 PM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
That´s great!
I'm surprised with my maternal side, the Botelho's from Lagoa and S. Roque in the 1800's.
Until now I am connected to 50 chapters of the Rodrigo Rodrigues book.


Here's what I have :

Francisco Botelho – troncos da ilha de São Miguel (Genealogias de S. Miguel de Rodrigo Rodrigues)

 

  1. Fernão Velho (Velho, Cabral, Travassos) – Capítulo 33º (2x)
  2. Gonçalo Anes – Capítulo 175º
  3. Rodrigo Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro – Capítulo 78º (2x)
  4. Afonso Álvares de Benevides – Capítulo 135º
  5. Gonçalo de Teve e seu irmão Pedro Cordeiro – Capítulo 12º (2x)
  6. Rui Lopes, Cavaleiro – Capítulo 15º              
  7. Gonçalo Vaz Botelho, o Grande – Capítulo 1º           
  8. Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa – Capítulo 85º
  9. Manuel Domingues – Capítulo 145º (2x)
  10. Pedro Vaz Pacheco – Capítulo 29º
  11. Álvaro Lopes, do Vulcão – Capítulo 19º
  12. João Afonso das Grotas Fundas – Capítulo 139º  (3x)
  13. João de Albernaz – Capítulo 138º
  14. Afonso Rodrigues Pavão, Alemão – Capítulo 39º (3x)
  15. Fernão Afonso de Paiva – Capítulo 131º (3x)
  16. Luís Fernandes da Costa – Capítulo 133º
  17. Afonso Lourenço – Capítulo 9º (2x)
  18. Diogo de Oliveira de Vasconcelos – Capítulo 49º (2x)
  19. Gonçalo Vaz Carreiro – Capítulo 82º
  20. Gonçalo do Rego, o Velho – Capítulo 18º
  21. Jorge Velho – Capítulo 103º
  22. Martim Vaz, o Cavaleiro – Capítulo 173º
  23. Afonso Anes do Couto – Capítulo 290º
  24. Domingos de Simas – Capítulo 186º
  25. Gonçalo Enes – Capítulo 240º
  26. Domingos Martins – Capítulo 287º
  27. Pedro Coelho Pimentel – Capítulo 259º
  28. Manuel Vieira Mourato – Capítulo 244º
  29. Baltazar Vidal – Capítulo 238º
  30. Vasco Vicente Raposo – Capítulo 102º
  31. Jorge Roiz Cernando – Capítulo 151º
  32. Fernão Anes Tavares, de Portalegre – Capítulo 45º
  33. Lopo Dias Homem – Capítulo 162º
  34. João Vaz Feio ou Faleiro ou Melão, o das Virtudes – Capítulo 31º (2x)
  35. João de Piemonte – Capítulo 137º
  36. Pedro Vaz Marinheiro – Capítulo 76º (2x)
  37. Francisco Fernandes, o Castelhano – Capítulo 134º
  38. Jorge da Mota – Capítulo 4º
  39. Álvaro Camelo – Capítulo 184º (2x)
  40. João Lopes dos Mosteiros – Capítulo 166º
  41. Rui Vaz de Medeiros – Capítulo 20º (2x)
  42. Manuel Álvares Pinheiro – Capítulo 154º
  43. Fernão de Mesa – Capítulo 13º
  44. Ambrósio de Fontes – Capítulo 84º
  45. Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado – Capítulo 148º
  46. Francisco Anes, da Praia – Capítulo 8º
  47. Lopo Velho – Capítulo 98º
  48. Gregório Rodrigues Teixeira – Capítulo 147º (2x)
  49. Cristóvão Martins - Capítulo 164º
  50. Gonçalo Moniz Barreto - Capítulo 22º

MaryAnn Santos

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 2:06:11 PM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
My line too.  I'll have to check specifics and will bet back to you.  

MaryAnn Santos
MaryAnn Santos
Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator
Department of Art and Art Professions
NYU/Steinhardt

Nancy Couto

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 3:36:51 PM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
MaryAnn,

I just checked my Family Finder results, and we match at the level of 3rd-5th cousin.  I'd be interested in learning more about your line.

Nancy

Marcio Borba

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 3:49:52 PM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
This is what I have so far. Still have a few lines to research. Hopefully will give me more connections

  1. Fernão Velho (Velho, Cabral, Travassos) – Capítulo 33º (3x)
  2. Rodrigo Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro – Capítulo 78º (3x)
  3. Afonso Álvares de Benevides – Capítulo 135º
  4. Rui Lopes, Cavaleiro – Capítulo 15º
  5. Gonçalo Vaz Botelho, o Grande – Capítulo 1º
  6. Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa – Capítulo 85º
  7. Manuel Domingues – Capítulo 145º 
  8. Pedro Vaz Pacheco – Capítulo 29º
  9. João Afonso das Grotas Fundas – Capítulo 139º  (3x)
10. Afonso Lourenço – Capítulo 9º (3x)
11. Diogo de Oliveira de Vasconcelos – Capítulo 49º
12. Gonçalo Vaz Carreiro – Capítulo 82º
13. Jorge Velho – Capítulo 103º
14. Martim Vaz, o Cavaleiro – Capítulo 173º
15. Domingos de Simas – Capítulo 186º
16. João Vaz Feio ou Faleiro ou Melão, o das Virtudes – Capítulo 31º (2x)
17. Pedro Vaz Marinheiro – Capítulo 76º (2x)
18. João Lopes dos Mosteiros – Capítulo 166º
19. Rui Vaz de Medeiros – Capítulo 20º 
20. Ambrósio de Fontes – Capítulo 84º
21. Francisco Gonçalves Machado – Capítulo 262º
22. Henrique Ferraz – Capítulo 254º
23. Afonso Anes  Capítulo 50º

Eliseu Silva

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 4:19:05 PM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com

Hi Nancy,

 

Fulana means someone female that we know that must exist but we do not know who she is. The same goes to Fulano for the masculine.

Nancy Couto

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 4:25:15 PM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
Thanks, Eliseu. 

So the word is just a place-holder, not a name.  Pedro's wife will continue to be a mystery.

Nancy



--

Eliseu Silva

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 4:32:29 PM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com

Hi All (specially my new found cousins),

 

This is my direct line from Heitor Barbosa da Silva

 

 

Heitor Barbosa da Silva, Cavaleiro Fidalgo da Casa de El-Rei ca 1515-
& Guiomar Pacheco

|

Pedro Barbosa da Silva ca 1540-

|





|

|

Guiomar Pacheco

Heitor Barbosa da Silva, Capitão ca 1565-/1629

|

|

António Moniz (da Silva ou) Barbosa

Jorge Correia Barbosa †/1676

|

|

Maria Pacheco ca 1645-1692..1705

|

|

Bárbara Pacheco 1672-1735

 

 

 

 

Ancestry of Eliseu Pacheco da Silva up to Heitor Barbosa da Silva

Diane

unread,
Oct 30, 2012, 6:04:24 PM10/30/12
to azo...@googlegroups.com
As a newcomer to the list I am finding this conversation fascinating. I have found my family back to the end of the parish records in around 1700 but am wondering how you can find family going so far back as you have gone. Pardon my ignorance but i would love to know how it is done.
 
Diane Donnon
South Australia (Great-Granddaughter of Joaquim Machado Pereira born Urzelina 1850).

2012/10/30 Marcio Borba <marciobo...@yahoo.com>

--
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.


For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

--
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.


For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."



 

--
Manoel Cesar Furtado
man...@gmail.com

--
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

Reply all
Reply to author
Forward
0 new messages