Murali at 20° ?
Dave -Turner
you're talking angles and the person in question is at an angle himself, but
in this case the angle of his bent arm may actually be more if he was facing
the camera more
Dave -Turner
Dave -Turner
the 22.5 should be 45, in which case Murali's arm is actually more like 40
degrees bent ?
Dave -Turner
Muzza
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If I put my arm like that It would be broken in 4 places.
Mango
> you're talking angles and the person in question is at an angle himself,
> but in this case the angle of his bent arm may actually be more if he was
> facing the camera more
>
Its not a question of if his arm is straight or bent. We know he bowls with
a bent arm. The 15 degrees is the amount of straightening ie if your arm is
at 45 degrees and goes to 31 degrees when you release its within the current
ICC rules. If it goes from 45 to 29 then its a throw. Not sure how an
umpire is suppossed to judge this, but then maybe thats the point of the
rule.
> http://i10.tinypic.com/8av9ksj.jpg
>
>
>
alvey
Iirc, ages ago the Muralicheats quoted the exact degree that his resting
arm was bent at. I couldn't be arsed looking for it as nothing will change
what the slimy cheat has put in the record books. Still, it's highly
unlikely that anyone could bowl with any effort *and* keep their elbow from
reaching full flex so, assuming that the slimy cunts' resting figure is <
30 degrees then that would make the delivery in the picture a chuck. But
then anybody with a shred of objectivity knew this years ago.
And from the black humour file... In the current Test at Kandy they really
celebrated the cheat's achievement in true SL style. Someone had used the
work laserprinter to print up a pissy, but large colour poster of the cheat
in his usual pose, ie. just about to release. On his bare bowling elbow was
a fucking great elastic bandage. He must've been really getting some turn
that day.
alvey
**MattO**
Lucifer
> http://i1.tinypic.com/6olpq9g.jpg
You've positioned the elbow join slightly wrong with your lines - it'
actually even worse than your picture suggests.
CricketLeague
If Murali is a white player he would have been acclaimed as the worlds best
spinner by Aussies, English fans, NZ and SA fans.
If Shane Warne is a brown Srilankan he would have been accused
as a druggie a million times by the Aussie/Eng/SA/NZ fans.
Murali is the greatest spin bowler in cricket history. Shane Warne got
all his wickets after taking ILLEGAL STEROIDS.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/01/1096527941557.html
Andrew Flintoff and Brett Lee are Blatant CHUCKING CHEATS - Peter Roebuck
Action must be fixed
October 2, 2004
Unless Andrew Flintoff alters his action, he will be thrown into an
avoidable fracas, writes Peter Roebuck.
Andrew Flintoff's bowling action is provoking concern. His action has
deteriorated since he returned from his latest injury and now contains an
unmistakable jerk.
Before long, the roughness of his style is bound to attract the attention of
observers prepared to remove their eyes from a harmless tweaker suspected,
at worst, of reverse-throwing at a mild pace.
It is extraordinary that so much fuss has been made about a spinner at a
time when heads are being clattered and wickets taken by men whose menace
goes beyond an ability to turn the ball at right-angles. The delivery that
felled Brian Lara in Hampshire was the clearest throw since the ball that
removed Marcus Trescothick in Perth not so long ago.
Cricket is trying to find its way through the scientific and legal quagmire
that illegal bowling has become. Not that the issue was any more
satisfactorily dealt with in the past.
Such is the prevailing confusion that the danger arises that bowlers of all
sorts will feel free to send the ball down without taking heed of the
restraints supposedly imposed by the rules of the game.
Every country has strong opinions about all bowlers except their own, a
habit also detected during the outbreak of corruption that bedevilled the
game a few years ago. But then, corruption is not merely a matter of money
and, as usual, the International Cricket Council is left holding the baby -
an overrated activity.
Flintoff's action requires attention. Of course, he might not be conscious
of the roughness that has crept in over the course of a few months during
which his career has caught fire in the manner of an Olympic flame.
The suggestion that bowlers with illegal actions are culprits to be put
alongside hijackers, greedy politicians and men rubbing mint into the ball
is unkind. Still, footage is taken of every over bowled in a match and shown
to players in the evenings, so cricketers are not without information.
Accordingly, it is hard to believe that no one in the England camp is aware
this issue might crop up.
Flintoff is an important member of an emerging England side. Besides his
buffeting batting, he is a "strike" bowler in the sense that he is used in
short bursts and given the task of upsetting an innings.
He bowls fast and with hostility and favours the short-pitched delivery.
Armed with the old ball, he opens his chest even more and tries to cut the
ball away from the bat, the celebrated "reverse" swing of recent discovery.
In short, he is a handful.
Injuries have threatened to curtail his career as a bowler, a circumstance
bound to inhibit a swashbuckling style of batting that has emerged after a
long period underground.
Subsequent to his breakdowns, desperate to retain his menace and anxious to
protect his body without losing pace, the Lancastrian has put greater
emphasis on the use of chest, wrist and arm to hurl the ball down.
Unfortunately, the elbow also has come into play, as is almost inevitable
when wrist and shoulder are pushed to their limits. His raggedness is more
obvious when he moves around the wicket and bends the ball away from
left-handers.
Flintoff may remain within the leeway of 10 per cent that has been permitted
to fast bowlers since slow-motion film revealed that, otherwise, hardly
anyone would pass muster. Alternatively, he may stray outside that range. By
and large, the 10 per cent allowance reflects the capabilities of the naked
eye, which remains the surest guide in these affairs.
Since Flintoff's straightening of the elbow can be seen from a distance, he
might contravene even the amended rules. In that case, the matter must be
drawn forthwith to the attention of responsible officials so that it can be
confronted before it is too late.
At least it is possible nowadays to realise matters of this sort without
feeling that a player's position is thereby put in peril. Flintoff's action
requires the cricketing version of surgery. Otherwise, it will be raised
again by those persuaded that authorities omit to treat every ball upon its
merits.
CricketLeague
> doh, you can tell how long its been since i've done that Pie maths shit ;)
>
> the 22.5 should be 45, in which case Murali's arm is actually more like 40
> degrees bent ?
>
>
>
If Murali is a white player he would have been acclaimed as the worlds best
CricketLeague
> *waits to be called racist for using Photoshop to draw angles*
>
>
If Murali is a white player he would have been acclaimed as the worlds best
CricketLeague
CricketLeague
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If Murali is a white player he would have been acclaimed as the worlds best
CricketLeague
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If Murali is a white player he would have been acclaimed as the worlds best
Dave -Turner
> best
> spinner by Aussies, English fans, NZ and SA fans.
>
> If Shane Warne is a brown Srilankan he would have been accused
> as a druggie a million times by the Aussie/Eng/SA/NZ fans.
>
> Murali is the greatest spin bowler in cricket history. Shane Warne got
> all his wickets after taking ILLEGAL STEROIDS.
heh, didn't think it'd take long.
And if you knew anything what you were talking about you'd know that Shane
didn't take "illegal steroids".
Dave -Turner
using his altered
news article of "Andrew Flintoff and Brett Lee are Blatant CHUCKING CHEATS -
Peter Roebuck",
that has NOTHING to do with Brett Lee other than the fact that CricketLeague
is anti-Australian.
You've gotta love it when people try to make an argument against you by
using a news article,
when they have to alter the news article in order to try and make their
point. ROFL
CricketLeague
RACIST low iq moron Dave Turner,
If all racist australians with single digit IQs are dropped on the moon,
moon will be your home.
If Murali is a white player he would have been acclaimed as the worlds best
spinner by Aussies, English fans, NZ and SA fans.
If Shane Warne is a brown Srilankan he would have been accused
as a druggie a million times by the Aussie/Eng/SA/NZ fans.
Murali is the greatest spin bowler in cricket history. Shane Warne got
all his wickets after taking ILLEGAL STEROIDS.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/01/1096527941557.html
Andrew Flintoff and Brett Lee are Blatant CHUCKING CHEATS - Peter Roebuck
Action must be fixed
CricketLeague
RACIST low iq moron Dave Turner,
If all racist australians with single digit IQs are dropped on the moon,
moon will be your home.
If Murali is a white player he would have been acclaimed as the worlds best
spinner by Aussies, English fans, NZ and SA fans.
If Shane Warne is a brown Srilankan he would have been accused
as a druggie a million times by the Aussie/Eng/SA/NZ fans.
Murali is the greatest spin bowler in cricket history. Shane Warne got
all his wickets after taking ILLEGAL STEROIDS.
Shane Warne was caught only once in his career. No one knows
how long he has been taking illegal steroids to get all his wickets.
If baseball players who doesnt need as much stamina,
strength and physical endurance as cricket players
take illegal undetectable steroids then Shane Warne
must be taking illegal steroids all his life and got
caught only once.
Shane Warne is a stocky guy. He wouldnt have
had that much stamina and strength to play cricket
for such a long time without taking illegal steroids.
Shane Warnes bowling record must be purged
from cricket records by ICC.
Muralitharan is the best spin bowler bar none in cricket history.
Even excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe wickets, Murali will beat Warnes
record very soon.
Warne is a druggie, he took illegal steroids for all his wickets whereas
only Muralis doosra is debatable.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/01/1096527941557.html
Andrew Flintoff and Brett Lee are Blatant CHUCKING CHEATS - Peter Roebuck
Action must be fixed
CricketLeague
RACIST DICKHEAD Dave Turner,
If Shane Warne didnt take ILLEGAL STEROIDS why was he suspended ?
If Murali is a white player he would have been acclaimed as the worlds best
spinner by Aussies, English fans, NZ and SA fans.
If Shane Warne is a brown Srilankan he would have been accused
as a druggie a million times by the Aussie/Eng/SA/NZ fans.
Murali is the greatest spin bowler in cricket history. Shane Warne got
all his wickets after taking ILLEGAL STEROIDS.
Shane Warne was caught only once in his career. No one knows
how long he has been taking illegal steroids to get all his wickets.
If baseball players who doesnt need as much stamina,
strength and physical endurance as cricket players
take illegal undetectable steroids then Shane Warne
must be taking illegal steroids all his life and got
caught only once.
Shane Warne is a stocky guy. He wouldnt have
had that much stamina and strength to play cricket
for such a long time without taking illegal steroids.
Shane Warnes bowling record must be purged
from cricket records by ICC.
Muralitharan is the best spin bowler bar none in cricket history.
Even excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe wickets, Murali will beat Warnes
record very soon.
Warne is a druggie, he took illegal steroids for all his wickets whereas
only Muralis doosra is debatable.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/01/1096527941557.html
Dave -Turner
Dave -Turner
RACE?????
A: Because you're racist.
Here's a free tip for you buddy ....
THE ANGLE OF A BENT ARM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A PERSONS RACE.
The photo:
http://i1.tinypic.com/6olpq9g.jpg
The fact that you're trying to make it into a racism issue is just proof
that you have no argument against the actual subject at hand - the fact that
the photo shows Murali's arm to be bent some 40 degrees.
Please, keep digging that hole of yours, it's somewhat amusing.
Dave -Turner
and TENNIS newsgroups:
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How stupid does he think we are???
CricketLeague
RACIST DICKHEAD Dave Turner,
CricketLeague
RACIST DICKHEAD Dave Turner,
CricketLeague
> ouch, yawn, etc. Learn how to spell, you "low IQ lunatic".
>
>
You mean how to spell RACISM as "RACISM" like native
language English speaker and australian intellectual "will_s" ??
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/f2b08aa6e8f2fc70
Roflmao
RACIST DICKHEAD Dave Turner,
If Shane Warne didnt take ILLEGAL STEROIDS why was he suspended ?
If Murali is a white player he would have been acclaimed as the worlds best
Dave -Turner
"your racist" argument simply because you have no comeback for the actual
subject at hand.
Dave -Turner
again. Yet more proof that you have no comeback for anything being said
here. And once again you try and make this thread into a racism thread WHEN
ALL IT IS IS A THREAD ABOUT THE ANGLE OF SOMEBODYS ARM.
It's amusing how you try to avoid the actual topic by saying "he's a racist
dickhead". All it does it prove you have no comeback for the subject at
hand.
Please, keep digging your hole deeper, post that message again - we didn't
catch it the first time ....
Srini
he was caught taking substances which would mask the illegal
steroids.
"Dave -Turner" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
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Diggler
> It's amusing how you try to avoid the actual topic by saying "he's a racist
> dickhead". All it does it prove you have no comeback for the subject at
> hand.
>
It is very amusing, but rather depressing at the same time.
A link to one example of a white person questioning brett lee, who
still has serious issues with his action:
http://groups.google.com.au/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_thread/thread/d9d768f2876d81ed/7d675703acc10065?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#7d675703acc10065
dechucka
"Diggler" <dnarm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Brett Lees action has benn commented on many times by Australian posters
including myself, I believe he used to chuck his effort ball but with the
Murali amendment he is probably legal
Mad Hamish
>Nobody knows if he took illegal steroids or not. Because
>he was caught taking substances which would mask the illegal
>steroids.
nobody knows whether Murali took steroids or not because he wasn't
being tested...
>
>"Dave -Turner" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
>news:13le2ak...@corp.supernews.com...
>> And if you knew anything what you were talking about you'd know that Shane
>> didn't take "illegal steroids".
>
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001
Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws
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RACIST DICKHEAD Dave Turner,
CricketLeague
"dechucka" <dech...@vomithotmail.com> wrote in message
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Why dont you call it BrettLee Amendment or Andrew Flintoff Amendment
instead of Murali Amendment. Brett Lee and Andrew Flintoff were
chucking in 2002.
CricketLeague
> Thankyou for proving my point about you having to turn everything into a
> "your racist" argument simply because you have no comeback for the actual
> subject at hand.
>
>
Racist Dave Turner,
I dont have time to respond to every racist lunatic tom, dick and harry
like you.
Whisper
> "Dave -Turner" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
> news:13lee31...@corp.supernews.com...
>> rofl, its amusing how all you can do is post the same message over and
>> over again. Yet more proof that you have no comeback for anything being
>> said here. And once again you try and make this thread into a racism
>> thread WHEN ALL IT IS IS A THREAD ABOUT THE ANGLE OF SOMEBODYS ARM.
>>
>> It's amusing how you try to avoid the actual topic by saying "he's a
>> racist dickhead". All it does it prove you have no comeback for the
>> subject at hand.
>>
>> Please, keep digging your hole deeper, post that message again - we didn't
>> catch it the first time ....
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> RACIST DICKHEAD Dave Turner,
>
> If Shane Warne didnt take ILLEGAL STEROIDS why was he suspended ?
>
> If Murali is a white player he would have been acclaimed as the worlds best
> spinner by Aussies, English fans, NZ and SA fans.
>
> If Shane Warne is a brown Srilankan he would have been accused
> as a druggie a million times by the Aussie/Eng/SA/NZ fans.
>
Can you cricket dickheads take your bat & stumps out of tennis ng please?
Michael Gooding
> Can you cricket dickheads take your bat & stumps out of tennis ng please?
>
Why should we, you RACIST ? Everyone knows that Layten Heward is a
RACIST CHUCKER !!! Your nothing but a RACIST whitey !!!!!
Yours sincerely
Michael Gooding
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Dave -Turner
We apologise - it's the only thing that "CricketLeague" can do - try to
bring in other sports newsgroups to try to make it seem like he's making any
sense.
Dave -Turner
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> Nobody knows if he took illegal steroids or not. Because
> he was caught taking substances which would mask the illegal
> steroids.
OK .... so tell me exactly how would steroids improve a spin bowlers
performance !?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?
CricketLeague
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Whisper,
Here it is one more time. I am posting to tennis ng. ENJOY.
RACIST DICKHEAD Dave Turner,
If Shane Warne didnt take ILLEGAL STEROIDS why was he suspended ?
If Murali is a white player he would have been acclaimed as the worlds best
spinner by Aussies, English fans, NZ and SA fans.
If Shane Warne is a brown Srilankan he would have been accused
as a druggie a million times by the Aussie/Eng/SA/NZ fans.
Murali is the greatest spin bowler in cricket history. Shane Warne got
CricketLeague
RACIST DICKHEAD Dave Turner,
If Shane Warne didnt take ILLEGAL STEROIDS why was he suspended ?
If Murali is a white player he would have been acclaimed as the worlds best
spinner by Aussies, English fans, NZ and SA fans.
If Shane Warne is a brown Srilankan he would have been accused
as a druggie a million times by the Aussie/Eng/SA/NZ fans.
Murali is the greatest spin bowler in cricket history. Shane Warne got
CricketLeague
"Mad Hamish" <newsunsp...@iinet.unspamme.net.au> wrote in message
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As usual baseless allegations from Murali hating WHITE RACISTS
to COVER UP and JUSTIFY Shane Warne's TAINTED BOWLING
RECORD achieved with ILLEGAL STEROIDS.
Andrew Dunford
"alvey" <alvey_embarr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2dlar9omia6b.1wq9faqrgttal$.dlg@40tude.net...>> news:13lcrdr...@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Again, you cant really take too much out of one photo, especially when
>>> you're talking angles and the person in question is at an angle himself,
>>> but in this case the angle of his bent arm may actually be more if he
>>> was
>>> facing the camera more
>>>
>>
>> Its not a question of if his arm is straight or bent. We know he bowls
>> with
>> a bent arm. The 15 degrees is the amount of straightening ie if your arm
>> is
>> at 45 degrees and goes to 31 degrees when you release its within the
>> current
>> ICC rules. If it goes from 45 to 29 then its a throw. Not sure how an
>> umpire is suppossed to judge this, but then maybe thats the point of the
>> rule.
>
> Iirc, ages ago the Muralicheats quoted the exact degree that his resting
> arm was bent at. I couldn't be arsed looking for it as nothing will change
> what the slimy cheat has put in the record books. Still, it's highly
> unlikely that anyone could bowl with any effort *and* keep their elbow
> from
> reaching full flex so, assuming that the slimy cunts' resting figure is <
> 30 degrees then that would make the delivery in the picture a chuck. But
> then anybody with a shred of objectivity knew this years ago.
Somebody with a shred of objectivity told you this, did they?
<snip>
Andrew
dechucka
assist in recovery from injury
>
>