Failed broadband plan 'cost $30 million'
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
The KRudd government's $4.7 billion plan for a fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) national
broadband network was unlikely ever to succeed due to a number of significant
risks, a report has found.
A National Audit Office inquiry has also found the failed tender process came at
a cost to taxpayers and project proponents of more than $30 million.
The FTTN plan was abandoned in April last year and replaced with the $42 billion
fibre-to-the-premises option after it was determined none of the proposals
submitted met government expectations.
However, the audit office on Wednesday said the government had been given "early
advice" about key risks to the success of the request for proposals process for
the FTTN plan.
Among those key risks, a non-Telstra proposal was unlikely to build and operate
a commercially viable NBN in circumstances where the proponent might have to pay
the telco to use its existing infrastructure.
Telstra had been excluded from the tender process after failing to submit a
small-business plan as part of its proposal.
The government was also warned the global financial crisis had significantly
reduced the prospects of a successful outcome by affecting the viability of
proposals, and that there was limited scope to upgrade a FTTN network.
Despite its observations, the audit office has not made any recommendations
because of the termination of the request for proposals process.
It did, however, raise concerns that the process had come at a cost to the
government and proponents in excess of $30 million, including some $17 million
for the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy.
Companies bidding to build the network were left out of pocket by between $1
million and $8 million.
Opposition communications spokesman Tony Smith said the report showed the entire
process had been fatally flawed.
Mr Smith said Communications Minister Stephen Conroy had "ensured more than $30
million went down the drain".
"It is also clear the minister ignored increasing warnings that the process was
failing."
The report should ring alarm bells for Australians about the failure of the Rudd
government to assess risk and ensure value for money, Mr Smith said.
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipvdBnU8F8
- KRudd at his finest.
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!"
- Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
"This is the recession we had to have!"
- Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
"Silly old bugger!"
- Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke
responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
"By 1990, no child will live in poverty"
- Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
"A billion trees ..."
- Borke, pissed as a newt again.
"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor
general!"
- Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his
appointee for Governor General John Kerr.
"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!"
- FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities.
"I don't care what you fuckers think!"
- KRudd the KRude Rat at his finest again.
"We'll just change it all when we get in."
- Garrett the carrott
Joe
> http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/failed-broadband-plan-cost-30-million-20100203-ndd8.html
>
>
> The KRudd government's $4.7 billion plan for a fibre-to-the-node (FTTN)
> national broadband network was unlikely ever to succeed due to a number
> of significant risks, a report has found.
>
KRudd just had to read the newsgroups to find out more instead of
twittering.
> The report should ring alarm bells for Australians about the failure of
> the Rudd government to assess risk and ensure value for money, Mr Smith
> said.
>
Some already know this.
On the ETS another failure
But while the government’s scheme used to also have the benefit of being
an ETS, in line with the global movement towards emissions trading, that
movement has now stalled. If that global process doesn’t restart soon,
the government will be a shag on a rock with a new tax around its neck.
Green Lantern
" Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""theoldfool\"@kangarooistan.com.au is
a stupid arselifting troll ."> wrote in message
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Labour are sure good at wasting money.
keithr
trying to convert a bunch of clapped out second hand 60s helicopters to
function in the 21st century. When it comes to wasting money, they are
all as bad as each other.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> On 4/02/2010 12:37 AM, Green Lantern wrote:
>> " Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
"Come on fixing a Moke is worth any amount. I even learned how to use a sewing
machine to make a new hood" - keithretard
So fixing a Moke is worth any amount but not some alleged "clapped out second
hand 60s helicopters", eh?
Addinall
> On 4/02/2010 12:37 AM, Green Lantern wrote:
>
>
>
> > " Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF "<""theoldfool\"@kangarooistan.com.au is
> > a stupid arselifting troll ."> wrote in message
> >news:00f2ce91$0$15581$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
Quite true. The Sea-Sprite was in fact a Keating government idea,
that should have been scrapped when the Liberals took power.
They did not scrap it untill years too late.
Both are indeed, bad as each other.
Mark Addinall.
Petzl
wrote:
>>> The report should ring alarm bells for Australians about the failure of
>>> the Rudd government to assess risk and ensure value for money, Mr Smith
>>> said.
>>>
>>
>> Labour are sure good at wasting money.
>>
>>
>Sure, lets not mention the billion dollars that the coalition wasted
>trying to convert a bunch of clapped out second hand 60s helicopters to
>function in the 21st century. When it comes to wasting money, they are
>all as bad as each other.
It's not wasted money to install fibre optic through the nation
This is something that needed doing years ago
Copper wire just don't cut it. It has left major parts of Australian
capital cities without even dial-up let alone broadband
I were in NZ a while ago and found even isolated small communities
without telephone exchanges simply had the copper wire connected to a
optic fibre point and they had no trouble with broadband and their
exchanges were at least 30 miles 40 kilometre's away. In Australia
unless you are within 2 kilometre's of an exchange your "broadband"
struggles
The Labor Party is dressing up a need of the nation as a "National
Broadband Network" (NBN) that should of taken place yonks ago, as it
has everywhere on the planet, except Australia and Uganda
Petzl
--
Our parliaments need to obey our Constitutions,
the judiciary must apply the law
"Dieu est mon droit"
Rob
Who ordered those helicopters?
Addinall
Liberal Party.
Mark Addinall.
Rod Speed
Like hell they are. We wont see a surplus any time soon, you watch.
Rod Speed
> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:36:50 +1100, keithr <kei...@nowhere.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>>> The report should ring alarm bells for Australians about the
>>>> failure of the Rudd government to assess risk and ensure value for
>>>> money, Mr Smith said.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Labour are sure good at wasting money.
>>>
>>>
>> Sure, lets not mention the billion dollars that the coalition wasted
>> trying to convert a bunch of clapped out second hand 60s helicopters
>> to function in the 21st century. When it comes to wasting money,
>> they are all as bad as each other.
>
> It's not wasted money to install fibre optic through the nation
> This is something that needed doing years ago
> Copper wire just don't cut it.
> It has left major parts of Australian capital cities without even dial-up let alone broadband
Another pig ignorant lie.
> I were in NZ a while ago and found even isolated small communities
> without telephone exchanges simply had the copper wire connected to a
> optic fibre point and they had no trouble with broadband and their
> exchanges were at least 30 miles 40 kilometre's away. In Australia
> unless you are within 2 kilometre's of an exchange your "broadband"
> struggles
Another pig ignorant lie.
> The Labor Party is dressing up a need of the nation as a "National
> Broadband Network" (NBN) that should of taken place yonks ago, as it
> has everywhere on the planet, except Australia and Uganda
Another pig ignorant lie.
Epsilon
>
>
> I were in NZ a while ago
That would be you and the voices, chasing sheep?
atec 77
> Pretzl wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:36:50 +1100, keithr <kei...@nowhere.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The report should ring alarm bells for Australians about the
>>>>> failure of the Rudd government to assess risk and ensure value for
>>>>> money, Mr Smith said.
>>>>>
>>>> Labour are sure good at wasting money.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sure, lets not mention the billion dollars that the coalition wasted
>>> trying to convert a bunch of clapped out second hand 60s helicopters
>>> to function in the 21st century. When it comes to wasting money,
>>> they are all as bad as each other.
>> It's not wasted money to install fibre optic through the nation
>> This is something that needed doing years ago
>> Copper wire just don't cut it.
>
>> It has left major parts of Australian capital cities without even dial-up let alone broadband
>
> Another pig ignorant lie.
Another situation where your lack of comprehension proves your a
clueless clot
>
>> I were in NZ a while ago and found even isolated small communities
>> without telephone exchanges simply had the copper wire connected to a
>> optic fibre point and they had no trouble with broadband and their
>> exchanges were at least 30 miles 40 kilometre's away. In Australia
>> unless you are within 2 kilometre's of an exchange your "broadband"
>> struggles
>
> Another pig ignorant lie.
Another situation where your lack of comprehension proves your a
clueless clot
>
>> The Labor Party is dressing up a need of the nation as a "National
>> Broadband Network" (NBN) that should of taken place yonks ago, as it
>> has everywhere on the planet, except Australia and Uganda
>
> Another pig ignorant lie.
Do you ever get up to speed woddles or is it your intention to continue
proving how stupid and ill informed you are ?
>
>
Terryc
> Copper wire just don't cut it. It has left major parts of Australian
> capital cities without even dial-up
Examples please?
Terryc
> Like hell they are. We wont see a surplus any time soon, you watch.
Lol, a fat lot of good a surplus did the libs.
Actually we might under Labor. most of the surplus is generated from
selling our country OS and labor are all for it ASAP.
>
>
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> When it comes to wasting money, they are all as bad as each other.
>> Like hell they are. We wont see a surplus any time soon, you watch.
> Lol, a fat lot of good a surplus did the libs.
Another pig ignorant lie. It got them longer in office than anyone except Ming, stupid.
> Actually we might under Labor. most of the surplus is generated from selling our country OS
Another pig ignorant lie.
> and labor are all for it ASAP.
Another pig ignorant lie, most obviously with uranium, stupid.
Petzl
Where you and I live (Outer Sydney Metro) as example
Telstra have one Exchange in Campbeltown (The local Schools though
have optic fibre?)
Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine and most
cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect, If one can get ADSL2+ the
speed is not enough to get a decent feed for YouTube video
I did try State MP's for and Federal offices all Girls manning the
Phones in various offices said they had the same problem. This is an
area with populations greater than Wollongong and in a major world
capital Sydney (not the "bush")
I visited friends in NZ country areas they seem to be on Copper wire
in small villages but have an 'optic fiber point' on corner into
village they call it VDLS2 but works well and "naked dsl" is the go
for NZ$8 a month (most companies with decent broadband use this and it
works well)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_speed_digital_subscriber_line_2
--
Petzl
http://tinyurl.com/atheist-mp3
Rod Speed
> Terryc <newsfour...@woa.com.au> wrote
>> Pretzl wrote:
>>> Copper wire just don't cut it. It has left major parts
>>> of Australian capital cities without even dial-up
>> Examples please?
> Where you and I live (Outer Sydney Metro) as example
That is a bare faced lie with dialup, fool.
> Telstra have one Exchange in Campbeltown
> (The local Schools though have optic fibre?)
Like hell they do.
> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine
> and most cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect,
That is a bare faced lie.
> If one can get ADSL2+ the speed is not enough to get a decent feed for YouTube video
Another bare faced lie.
> I did try State MP's for and Federal offices all Girls manning
> the Phones in various offices said they had the same problem.
Every single one eh ? Yeah, right.
> This is an area with populations greater than Wollongong
> and in a major world capital Sydney (not the "bush")
Pity you are lying about dialup.
> I visited friends in NZ country areas they seem to be on Copper wire
> in small villages but have an 'optic fiber point' on corner into village
We do too, they are called RIMs, fool.
> they call it VDLS2 but works well and "naked dsl" is the go for NZ$8 a month
Another pig ignorant lie.
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Pretzl wrote
>> Terryc <newsfour...@woa.com.au> wrote
>>> Pretzl wrote:
>
>>>> Copper wire just don't cut it. It has left major parts
>>>> of Australian capital cities without even dial-up
>
>>> Examples please?
>
>> Where you and I live (Outer Sydney Metro) as example
>
>That is a bare faced lie with dialup, fool.
>
>> Telstra have one Exchange in Campbeltown
>> (The local Schools though have optic fibre?)
>
>Like hell they do.
For suburbs Campbelltown,Bradbury, St Helens Park, Marsden Park,
Ambarvale. Rosemeadow, Glen Alpine and many more have only one
exchange with poor communication
>> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine
>> and most cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect,
>
>That is a bare faced lie.
>
Something to do with Twisted Pair (?) connections and availability is
limited for dial-up to only a few
>> If one can get ADSL2+ the speed is not enough to get a decent feed for YouTube video
>
>Another bare faced lie.
Not a continuous feed it goes a second stops for 30 and so on (I live
there so I know)
>> I did try State MP's for and Federal offices all Girls manning
>> the Phones in various offices said they had the same problem.
>
>Every single one eh ? Yeah, right.
Everyone I spoke to as well as colleagues most just use Wireless for
Internet
>> This is an area with populations greater than Wollongong
>> and in a major world capital Sydney (not the "bush")
>
>Pity you are lying about dialup.
I explained above. The scenario I see Telstra has been given for free
the copper wires and like most given something free don't look after
it
>> I visited friends in NZ country areas they seem to be on Copper wire
>> in small villages but have an 'optic fiber point' on corner into village
>
>We do too, they are called RIMs, fool.
>
Not enough apparently try Engin or Innet type in a number and see
>> they call it VDLS2 but works well and "naked dsl" is the go for NZ$8 a month
>
>Another pig ignorant lie.
The NZ$8 a month for VOIP only connection?
Look yourself
http://www.kiwilink.co.nz/voip.php
Many are retires who just want Phone not internet and this is adequate
Something denied to most in Sydney suburbs
>> (most companies with decent broadband use this and it works well)
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_speed_digital_subscriber_line_2
>
Petzl
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Addinall
> >Petzl wrote:
>
> >> Copper wire just don't cut it. It has left major parts of Australian
> >> capital cities without even dial-up
>
> >Examples please?
>
> Where you and I live (Outer Sydney Metro) as example
> Telstra have one Exchange in Campbeltown (The local Schools though
> have optic fibre?)
> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine and most
> cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect, If one can get ADSL2+ the
> speed is not enough to get a decent feed for YouTube video
ADSL2+ is not on offer in Glen Alpine. The exchanges have not been
upgraded. Standard DSL is available over copper in the area.
Bloody expensive however.
Mark Addinall.
Petzl
<addi...@addinall.org> wrote:
>> Where you and I live (Outer Sydney Metro) as example
>> Telstra have one Exchange in Campbeltown (The local Schools though
>> have optic fibre?)
>> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine and most
>> cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect, If one can get ADSL2+ the
>> speed is not enough to get a decent feed for YouTube video
>
>ADSL2+ is not on offer in Glen Alpine. The exchanges have not been
>upgraded. Standard DSL is available over copper in the area.
>Bloody expensive however.
>
>Mark Addina
I'm actually in Glen Alpine and have ASDL2+(but don't know anyone else
who is? Maybe the odd exception?), the poor connection I'm told is
because I'm 4.7K away (as the copperwire goes) from the Campbelltown
exchange. Many cannot even get Dial-up (don't know about DSL?)
I think this video is similar to the system NZ uses?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MlEXDV52OQ
Addinall
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 18:14:35 -0800 (PST), Addinall
>
> >> Where you and I live (Outer Sydney Metro) as example
> >> Telstra have one Exchange in Campbeltown (The local Schools though
> >> have optic fibre?)
> >> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine and most
> >> cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect, If one can get ADSL2+ the
> >> speed is not enough to get a decent feed for YouTube video
>
> >ADSL2+ is not on offer in Glen Alpine. The exchanges have not been
> >upgraded. Standard DSL is available over copper in the area.
> >Bloody expensive however.
>
> >Mark Addina
>
> I'm actually in Glen Alpine and have ASDL2+(but don't know anyone else
> who is? Maybe the odd exception?),
Your odd alright.
You might be on a boundary.
http://www.adsl2exchanges.com.au/viewexchange.php?Exchange=CBTN
> the poor connection I'm told is
> because I'm 4.7K away (as the copperwire goes) from the Campbelltown
> exchange. Many cannot even get Dial-up (don't know about DSL?)
Bullshit. You can get dial up from Elcho Island.
Mark Addinall.
> I think this video is similar to the system NZ uses?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MlEXDV52OQ
Petzl
<addi...@addinall.org> wrote:
>
>> the poor connection I'm told is
>> because I'm 4.7K away (as the copperwire goes) from the Campbelltown
>> exchange. Many cannot even get Dial-up (don't know about DSL?)
>
>Bullshit. You can get dial up from Elcho Island.
>
>Mark Addinall.
>
From what I have seen is all the wires go down a fair size hole and a
main cable then goes to the Campbelltown Exchange
Petzl
--
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Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Pretzl wrote
>>> Terryc <newsfour...@woa.com.au> wrote
>>>> Pretzl wrote:
>>>>> Copper wire just don't cut it. It has left major parts
>>>>> of Australian capital cities without even dial-up
>>>> Examples please?
>>> Where you and I live (Outer Sydney Metro) as example
>> That is a bare faced lie with dialup, fool.
>>> Telstra have one Exchange in Campbeltown
>>> (The local Schools though have optic fibre?)
>> Like hell they do.
> For suburbs Campbelltown,Bradbury, St Helens Park, Marsden
> Park, Ambarvale. Rosemeadow, Glen Alpine and many more
> have only one exchange with poor communication
Dailup works anyway.
>>> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine
>>> and most cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect,
>> That is a bare faced lie.
> Something to do with Twisted Pair (?) connections and availability is limited for dial-up to only a few
That is a bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>>> If one can get ADSL2+ the speed is not enough to get a decent feed for YouTube video
>> Another bare faced lie.
> Not a continuous feed it goes a second stops for 30 and so on (I live there so I know)
Like hell you do with dialup, fool.
>>> I did try State MP's for and Federal offices all Girls manning
>>> the Phones in various offices said they had the same problem.
>> Every single one eh ? Yeah, right.
> Everyone I spoke to as well as colleagues most just use Wireless for Internet
So your original was a bare faced lie.
>>> This is an area with populations greater than Wollongong
>>> and in a major world capital Sydney (not the "bush")
>> Pity you are lying about dialup.
> I explained above.
Nope, just lied again.
> The scenario I see Telstra has been given for free the copper
> wires and like most given something free don't look after it
How odd that dailup and adsl works fine over it.
>>> I visited friends in NZ country areas they seem to be on Copper wire
>>> in small villages but have an 'optic fiber point' on corner into village
>> We do too, they are called RIMs, fool.
> Not enough apparently try Engin or Innet type in a number and see
Nothing to see on your stupid lie about dialup.
>>> they call it VDLS2 but works well and "naked dsl" is the go for NZ$8 a month
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
> The NZ$8 a month for VOIP only connection?
Nothing like your previous lie.
> Look yourself
> http://www.kiwilink.co.nz/voip.php
> Many are retires who just want Phone not internet and this is adequate
But nothing like your previous lie.
> Something denied to most in Sydney suburbs
Another bare faced lie with wireless.
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Pretzl wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Pretzl wrote
>>>> Terryc <newsfour...@woa.com.au> wrote
>>>>> Pretzl wrote:
>
>>>>>> Copper wire just don't cut it. It has left major parts
>>>>>> of Australian capital cities without even dial-up
>
>>>>> Examples please?
>
>>>> Where you and I live (Outer Sydney Metro) as example
>
>>> That is a bare faced lie with dialup, fool.
>
>>>> Telstra have one Exchange in Campbeltown
>>>> (The local Schools though have optic fibre?)
>
>>> Like hell they do.
>
>> For suburbs Campbelltown,Bradbury, St Helens Park, Marsden
>> Park, Ambarvale. Rosemeadow, Glen Alpine and many more
>> have only one exchange with poor communication
>
>Dailup works anyway.
The lines are very noisy at best and worse in wet weather
>>>> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine
>>>> and most cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect,
>
>>> That is a bare faced lie.
>
>> Something to do with Twisted Pair (?) connections and availability is limited for dial-up to only a few
>
>That is a bare faced pig ignorant lie.
That is what was/is said to those that cannot get even dial-up?
>>>> If one can get ADSL2+ the speed is not enough to get a decent feed for YouTube video
>
>>> Another bare faced lie.
>
>> Not a continuous feed it goes a second stops for 30 and so on (I live there so I know)
>
>Like hell you do with dialup, fool.
I have ADSL2+ through Ipimus have tried a number of providers
>>>> I did try State MP's for and Federal offices all Girls manning
>>>> the Phones in various offices said they had the same problem.
>
>>> Every single one eh ? Yeah, right.
>
>> Everyone I spoke to as well as colleagues most just use Wireless for Internet
>
>So your original was a bare faced lie.
No? If one wants a reliable Internet connect the best is a wireless
option
>>>> This is an area with populations greater than Wollongong
>>>> and in a major world capital Sydney (not the "bush")
>
>>> Pity you are lying about dialup.
>
>> I explained above.
>
>Nope, just lied again.
If someone's lying it's the Telstra technicians to me
>> The scenario I see Telstra has been given for free the copper
>> wires and like most given something free don't look after it
>
>How odd that dailup and adsl works fine over it.
A lot it doesn't at all
>>>> I visited friends in NZ country areas they seem to be on Copper wire
>>>> in small villages but have an 'optic fiber point' on corner into village
>
>>> We do too, they are called RIMs, fool.
>
>> Not enough apparently try Engin or Innet type in a number and see
>
>Nothing to see on your stupid lie about dialup.
>
>>>> they call it VDLS2 but works well and "naked dsl" is the go for NZ$8 a month
>
>>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>
>> The NZ$8 a month for VOIP only connection?
>
>Nothing like your previous lie.
Got me lost?
>> Look yourself
>> http://www.kiwilink.co.nz/voip.php
>> Many are retirees who just want Phone not internet and this is adequate
>
>But nothing like your previous lie.
Got me lost?
>> Something denied to most in Sydney suburbs
>
>Another bare faced lie with wireless.
Nope I have others from different parts of Sydney saying the same. The
best is Optus cable
>>>> (most companies with decent broadband use this and it works well)
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_speed_digital_subscriber_line_2
>
Petzl
--
"Dieu est mon droit" God is my right
DM
> a cost to taxpayers and project proponents of more than $30 million.
Hmm, $30million is only 0.7% of $42billion.
Spending 0.7% of project costs determining another option is better
sounds like pretty good value to me.
Imagine if the same tack was taken with Dept of Defence projects like
Collins or JSF.
DM
Hunter
> It has left major parts of Australian
> capital cities without even dial-up
More of your fucking bullshit. You've got a working phoneline you can
talk over then you can achieve dialup. For something like dailup to be
screwed up your phoneline would need to be near unusable, but
considering you lie about nearly everything you post there's no reason
to think this is any different.
Addinall
Strange anology. We did sorta. Spent millions and millions setting
up AIR6000 to tender for an aircraft. Then we chucked it away
and decided to spend ten times that amount on a whim. Not
tested, not costed, not planned.
Mark.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Pretzl wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Pretzl wrote
>>>>> Terryc <newsfour...@woa.com.au> wrote
>>>>>> Pretzl wrote:
>>>>>>> Copper wire just don't cut it. It has left major parts
>>>>>>> of Australian capital cities without even dial-up
>>>>>> Examples please?
>>>>> Where you and I live (Outer Sydney Metro) as example
>>>> That is a bare faced lie with dialup, fool.
>>>>> Telstra have one Exchange in Campbeltown
>>>>> (The local Schools though have optic fibre?)
>>>> Like hell they do.
>>> For suburbs Campbelltown,Bradbury, St Helens Park, Marsden
>>> Park, Ambarvale. Rosemeadow, Glen Alpine and many more
>>> have only one exchange with poor communication
>> Dailup works anyway.
> The lines are very noisy at best and worse in wet weather
Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>>>>> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine
>>>>> and most cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect,
>>>> That is a bare faced lie.
>>> Something to do with Twisted Pair (?) connections
>>> and availability is limited for dial-up to only a few
>> That is a bare faced pig ignorant lie.
> That is what was/is said to those that cannot get even dial-up?
There is no one like that, fool.
>>>>> If one can get ADSL2+ the speed is not enough to get a decent feed for YouTube video
>>>> Another bare faced lie.
>>> Not a continuous feed it goes a second stops for 30 and so on (I live there so I know)
>> Like hell you do with dialup, fool.
> I have ADSL2+ through Ipimus have tried a number of providers
Irrelevant to your lie about dialup, fool.
>>>>> I did try State MP's for and Federal offices all Girls manning
>>>>> the Phones in various offices said they had the same problem.
>>>> Every single one eh ? Yeah, right.
>>> Everyone I spoke to as well as colleagues most just use Wireless for Internet
>> So your original was a bare faced lie.
> No?
Yep.
> If one wants a reliable Internet connect the best is a wireless option
So much for your original bare faced lie, fool.
>>>>> This is an area with populations greater than Wollongong
>>>>> and in a major world capital Sydney (not the "bush")
>>>> Pity you are lying about dialup.
>>> I explained above.
>> Nope, just lied again.
> If someone's lying it's the Telstra technicians to me
Another lie.
>>> The scenario I see Telstra has been given for free the copper
>>> wires and like most given something free don't look after it
>> How odd that dailup and adsl works fine over it.
> A lot it doesn't at all
Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>>>>> I visited friends in NZ country areas they seem to be on Copper wire
>>>>> in small villages but have an 'optic fiber point' on corner into village
>>>> We do too, they are called RIMs, fool.
>>> Not enough apparently try Engin or Innet type in a number and see
>> Nothing to see on your stupid lie about dialup.
>>>>> they call it VDLS2 but works well and "naked dsl" is the go for NZ$8 a month
>>>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>> The NZ$8 a month for VOIP only connection?
>> Nothing like your previous lie.
> Got me lost?
No surprises there.
That is nothing like your lie about naked dsl for NZ$8 a month
VOIP aint naked dsl, fuckwit.
>>> Look yourself
>>> http://www.kiwilink.co.nz/voip.php
>>> Many are retirees who just want Phone not internet and this is
>>> adequate
>> But nothing like your previous lie.
> Got me lost?
No surprises there.
That is nothing like your lie about naked dsl for NZ$8 a month
VOIP aint naked dsl, fuckwit.
>>> Something denied to most in Sydney suburbs
>> Another bare faced lie with wireless.
> Nope
Yep.
> I have others from different parts of Sydney saying the same.
You're lying, as always.
> The best is Optus cable
So much for your original bare faced lie.
SG1
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7t7cs7...@mid.individual.net...
How are your Telstra shares doing Roddles??????
Terryc
>> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine
>> and most cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect,
>
> That is a bare faced lie.
Do you want to give the basis for your counter claim Rod?
Terryc
> I'm actually in Glen Alpine and have ASDL2+(but don't know anyone else
> who is? Maybe the odd exception?), the poor connection I'm told is
> because I'm 4.7K away (as the copperwire goes) from the Campbelltown
> exchange. Many cannot even get Dial-up (don't know about DSL?)
Umm, I think this is an own goal comment. I suspect you mean dial up at
max/useable speed. If the copper phone works, then they can get dial up.
The problem these days is that peeps haven't a clue on how to tweak
their modems for noisey lines to get best thru put.
From when I ran a couple of BBSs (over a decade ago), I don't remember
anyone specifically have dial up problems that they couldn't connect.
OTOH, with so much bloating around. it can be boringly slow when things
do work. So what was acceptale them, probably isn't now and Telstras
voice line standards are not tat much better than before.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
It isnt a counter claim, its point out that that is a bare faced lie.
If there really were areas where most could not even have dailup, we'd know about it
and they would have been high on the list for DSL if there were plenty of people there.
Rod Speed
> Petzl wrote:
>> I'm actually in Glen Alpine and have ASDL2+(but don't know anyone else who is? Maybe the odd exception?), the poor
>> connection I'm told is because I'm 4.7K away (as the copperwire goes) from the Campbelltown exchange. Many cannot
>> even get Dial-up (don't know about DSL?)
> Umm, I think this is an own goal comment.
Corse it is.
> I suspect you mean dial up at max/useable speed.
Nope, he claimed the dialup modem wont synch up.
He's so stupid that he doesnt realise that just because one particular
modem has a problem, that does not mean that they all do there.
> If the copper phone works, then they can get dial up.
And clearly it works well enough for DSL2 too.
> The problem these days is that peeps haven't a clue on how to tweak their modems for noisey lines to get best thru
> put.
Or even which modems do better with those lines.
And it isnt usually noisy lines either, and cant be with the stupid claim that
most cant even get dialup, nowhere has such a high percentage of noisy lines.
Most likely its actually due to a few modem chipsets having a problem
with a particular type of line off RIMs or older pre RIM technology.
> From when I ran a couple of BBSs (over a decade ago), I don't remember
> anyone specifically have dial up problems that they couldn't connect.
Yeah, we would have heard about that area if that was so.
We certainly did with Brizvegas that did have a problem with the highest
connect speeds, due to longer non copper lines being more common there.
> OTOH, with so much bloating around. it can be boringly slow when
> things do work. So what was acceptale them, probably isn't now and
> Telstras voice line standards are not tat much better than before.
He did stupidly claim that the modem wont even connect at all.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> How are your Telstra shares doing Roddles??????
Never stupid enough to have any.
Petzl
As it happens I personally can get dial-up. I are going by comments to
the local paper (The Advertiser) where people have written to the
editor about the poor service being delivered with an inability to
even get dial-up
And I were one of many who used TC's excellent BBS until the SPCUG
folded it up
--
Petzl
http://tinyurl.com/atheist-mp3
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Terryc wrote:
>> Petzl wrote:
>
>>> I'm actually in Glen Alpine and have ASDL2+(but don't know anyone else who is? Maybe the odd exception?), the poor
>>> connection I'm told is because I'm 4.7K away (as the copperwire goes) from the Campbelltown exchange. Many cannot
>>> even get Dial-up (don't know about DSL?)
>
>> Umm, I think this is an own goal comment.
>
>Corse it is.
>
>> I suspect you mean dial up at max/useable speed.
>
>Nope, he claimed the dialup modem wont synch up.
You are putting in words I never said
>He's so stupid that he doesnt realise that just because one particular
>modem has a problem, that does not mean that they all do there.
>
>> If the copper phone works, then they can get dial up.
>
>And clearly it works well enough for DSL2 too.
Not very well (if/when it does) Wireless is the better option
Telstra though charge the same price for lines that just don't cut it
>> The problem these days is that peeps haven't a clue on how to tweak their modems for noisey lines to get best thru
>> put.
>
>Or even which modems do better with those lines.
Most computers come with a modem/fax why does one want another?
>And it isnt usually noisy lines either, and cant be with the stupid claim that
>most cant even get dialup, nowhere has such a high percentage of noisy lines.
>
>Most likely its actually due to a few modem chipsets having a problem
>with a particular type of line off RIMs or older pre RIM technology.
>
>> From when I ran a couple of BBSs (over a decade ago), I don't remember
>> anyone specifically have dial up problems that they couldn't connect.
>
>Yeah, we would have heard about that area if that was so.
>
>We certainly did with Brizvegas that did have a problem with the highest
>connect speeds, due to longer non copper lines being more common there.
Glen Alpine was not there when TC run a BBS
>> OTOH, with so much bloating around. it can be boringly slow when
>> things do work. So what was acceptale them, probably isn't now and
>> Telstras voice line standards are not tat much better than before.
>
>He did stupidly claim that the modem wont even connect at all.
>
Never did, I said many could not connect because of the way the phone
lines are configured
Rod Speed
>>> I'm actually in Glen Alpine and have ASDL2+(but don't know anyone
>>> else who is? Maybe the odd exception?), the poor connection I'm
>>> told is because I'm 4.7K away (as the copperwire goes) from the
>>> Campbelltown exchange. Many cannot even get Dial-up (don't know
>>> about DSL?)
>> Umm, I think this is an own goal comment. I suspect you mean dial up at
>> max/useable speed. If the copper phone works, then they can get dial up.
>> The problem these days is that peeps haven't a clue on how to tweak
>> their modems for noisey lines to get best thru put.
>> From when I ran a couple of BBSs (over a decade ago), I don't
>> remember anyone specifically have dial up problems that they
>> couldn't connect.
>> OTOH, with so much bloating around. it can be boringly slow when
>> things do work. So what was acceptale them, probably isn't now and
>> Telstras voice line standards are not tat much better than before.
> As it happens I personally can get dial-up. I are going by comments to
> the local paper (The Advertiser) where people have written to the editor
> about the poor service being delivered with an inability to even get dial-up
Just fools that dont have a fucking clue.
If you have a phone service, you can get dialup.
Rod Speed
>>>> I'm actually in Glen Alpine and have ASDL2+(but don't know anyone else
>>>> who is? Maybe the odd exception?), the poor connection I'm told is
>>>> because I'm 4.7K away (as the copperwire goes) from the Campbelltown
>>>> exchange. Many cannot even get Dial-up (don't know about DSL?)
>>> Umm, I think this is an own goal comment.
>> Corse it is.
>>> I suspect you mean dial up at max/useable speed.
>> Nope, he claimed the dialup modem wont synch up.
> You are putting in words I never said
You're lying, as always. YOU said
>>>> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine
>>>> and most cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect
http://groups.google.com/group/aus.politics/msg/75f9a9313cd2fe14
>> He's so stupid that he doesnt realise that just because one particular
>> modem has a problem, that does not mean that they all do there.
>>> If the copper phone works, then they can get dial up.
>> And clearly it works well enough for DSL2 too.
> Not very well (if/when it does)
Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
> Wireless is the better option
Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
> Telstra though charge the same price for lines that just don't cut it
You wouldnt know what cuts it if it bit you on your lard arse.
>>> The problem these days is that peeps haven't a clue on how
>>> to tweak their modems for noisey lines to get best thru put.
>> Or even which modems do better with those lines.
> Most computers come with a modem/fax why does one want another?
Might be a good idea to have one that connects, fuckwit.
>> And it isnt usually noisy lines either, and cant be
>> with the stupid claim that most cant even get dialup,
>> nowhere has such a high percentage of noisy lines.
>> Most likely its actually due to a few modem chipsets having a problem
>> with a particular type of line off RIMs or older pre RIM technology.
>>> From when I ran a couple of BBSs (over a decade ago), I don't remember
>>> anyone specifically have dial up problems that they couldn't connect.
>> Yeah, we would have heard about that area if that was so.
>> We certainly did with Brizvegas that did have a problem with the highest
>> connect speeds, due to longer non copper lines being more common there.
> Glen Alpine was not there when TC run a BBS
I didnt say anything about Terry's BBS, fool.
>>> OTOH, with so much bloating around. it can be boringly slow when
>>> things do work. So what was acceptale them, probably isn't now and
>>> Telstras voice line standards are not tat much better than before.
>> He did stupidly claim that the modem wont even connect at all.
> Never did,
Caugh lying, again. YOU said
>>>> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine
>>>> and most cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect
http://groups.google.com/group/aus.politics/msg/75f9a9313cd2fe14
> I said many could not connect because of the way the phone lines are configured
And that is a bare faced pig ignorant lie.
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Pretzl wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Terryc wrote:
>>>> Pretzl wrote:
>
>>>>> I'm actually in Glen Alpine and have ASDL2+(but don't know anyone else
>>>>> who is? Maybe the odd exception?), the poor connection I'm told is
>>>>> because I'm 4.7K away (as the copperwire goes) from the Campbelltown
>>>>> exchange. Many cannot even get Dial-up (don't know about DSL?)
>
>>>> Umm, I think this is an own goal comment.
>
>>> Corse it is.
>
>>>> I suspect you mean dial up at max/useable speed.
>
>>> Nope, he claimed the dialup modem wont synch up.
>
>> You are putting in words I never said
>
>You're lying, as always. YOU said
>
>>>>> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine
>>>>> and most cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/aus.politics/msg/75f9a9313cd2fe14
Which is correct and factual
Petzl
--
"When Governments fail to enforce law and order, common folk take it upon themselves to do so."
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Pretzl wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Terryc wrote:
>>>>> Pretzl wrote:
>>>>>> I'm actually in Glen Alpine and have ASDL2+(but don't know
>>>>>> anyone else who is? Maybe the odd exception?), the poor
>>>>>> connection I'm told is because I'm 4.7K away (as the copperwire
>>>>>> goes) from the Campbelltown exchange. Many cannot even get
>>>>>> Dial-up (don't know about DSL?)
>>>>> Umm, I think this is an own goal comment.
>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>> I suspect you mean dial up at max/useable speed.
>>>> Nope, he claimed the dialup modem wont synch up.
>>> You are putting in words I never said
>> You're lying, as always. YOU said
>>>>>> Cross Appin Road (A magic Line/dead zone) to say Glen Alpine
>>>>>> and most cannot even get a dial-up modem to connect
>> http://groups.google.com/group/aus.politics/msg/75f9a9313cd2fe14
> Which is correct and factual
Nope, its another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
Bet most of them cant even manage to configure their modems properly
and it isnt even detecting dial tone properly and thats why it doesnt connect.
Hunter
Which is the same thing as claiming dialup modems wont synch up. Do you
even have a fucking clue what you're saying half the time?
Hunter
Is that right? Lots of those comments in the local paper to do with
dial-up modems were there?
You also claim the majority of Australians want everyone of every
non-Christian religion to leave the country and that it is illegal under
the constitution for them to be citizens, you claim that
constitutionally we're a Christian theocracy or some such rot, and you
claim that this is all embedded in the constitution even though it's all
been proven to be a load of crap to you time and time again. You also
claim the church is innocent of pedophilia and gets rid of the
kiddy-fuckers whenever they find them, and you claim the church has
never covered up for or protected kiddy fuckers. And that's just the
beginning....
Considering your track record pardon me if I don't believe a fucking
word you're saying.
> And I were one of many who used TC's excellent BBS until the SPCUG
> folded it up
Obviously you mean in the broader context. You weren't one of many from
your area doing so, since "many cannot even get dialup", or have you
already forgotten that claim?
Terryc
> Terryc wrote:
>> If the copper phone works, then they can get dial up.
>
> And clearly it works well enough for DSL2 too.
hahahahha, How's your foot?
Petzl at least has the credibility of actually living in the area and
being aware of local conditions, such as all cabling back to the
exchange running through the floor of a valley which currently would
have very high water saturation and be considerably wet most of the time.
As to cable age, quite possibly a major factor, plus his area is
infested with contract cable technicians, which are a major quality
problem in themselves.
I recently found out about someone in the area who has been on a
satellite phone provided by Telstra for the last 18months as Telstra
could not find a still workable pair in the twenty pair cable that ran
past his house.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Terryc wrote
>>> If the copper phone works, then they can get dial up.
>> And clearly it works well enough for DSL2 too.
> hahahahha, How's your foot?
Its doing fine.
> Petzl at least has the credibility of actually living in the area and being aware of local conditions,
But is so stupid that he cant work out who
some cant get a connect with a dialup modem.
Even the worst lines in suburbia do that fine.
> such as all cabling back to the exchange running through the floor of a valley which currently would have very high
> water saturation and be considerably wet most of the time.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
> As to cable age, quite possibly a major factor,
Like hell that is with his stupid pig ignorant claim that
most cant even get a connect with a dialup modem.
> plus his area is infested with contract cable technicians, which are a major quality problem in themselves.
Most still get a connect with a dialup modem anyway, fool.
> I recently found out about someone in the area who has been on a
> satellite phone provided by Telstra for the last 18months as Telstra
> could not find a still workable pair in the twenty pair cable that ran
> past his house.
Yes, you do sometimes get stuff like that, but the bulk of the
phone users in that area do not have that problem, fuckwit.
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I recently found out about someone in the area who has been on a
>> satellite phone provided by Telstra for the last 18months as Telstra
>> could not find a still workable pair in the twenty pair cable that ran
>> past his house.
>
>Yes, you do sometimes get stuff like that, but the bulk of the
>phone users in that area do not have that problem, fuckwit.
You never get out and meet people do you Rod
No girl friend yet?
Petzl
When you had a BBC (must be over 10 years ago) I had two phone lines
the one I wished for a modem just would not connect. Swarms of
Telstra/Telecom technicians would arrive worse than Mormons.
Eventually after going up "levels" in Technicians one arrived from
Wollongong with a gazo which told him the whole cable under Appin road
needed replacing. I got rid of second line. The one I've got almost
works but not at anywhere near the optimum speed of 1500 I get 90
Petzl
--
The National Security Hotline
Terrorism
1800 123 400
SG1
"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:afc4n5dvq9e1nnhqp...@4ax.com...
Now cut that out Roddles is very HANDY in that department.......
Petzl
Actually I was going to recommend the Campbelltown Catholic Club
around 8:30pm Friday or Saturday Night.
Care must be taken though, some time ago a Chemical Engineer colleague
had broken off with his girl friend, I suggested this to him and he
vanished for 3 months. When he did appear it was to pick up his
"super" he was having a ball and weren't coming back
--
Petzl
http://tinyurl.com/atheist-mp3
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> I recently found out about someone in the area who has been on a
>>> satellite phone provided by Telstra for the last 18months as Telstra
>>> could not find a still workable pair in the twenty pair cable that
>>> ran past his house.
>> Yes, you do sometimes get stuff like that, but the bulk of the
>> phone users in that area do not have that problem, fuckwit.
> You never get out and meet people do you Rod
Guess which pathetic little prat that got raped by some
priest has got egg all over its pathetic little face, as always.
There's a reason you're only allowed to drive on rails, fuckwit.
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You never get out and meet people do you Rod
>
>Guess which pathetic little prat that got raped by some
>priest has got egg all over its pathetic little face, as always.
>
>There's a reason you're only allowed to drive on rails, fuckwit.
>
These Campbeltown Catholic Club girls Rod are hot!
Word of warning the their crapper does not have condoms and the girls
are not always likely to take precautions.
Petzl
--
I am.You are.We are Australian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ6OFzDq3Ow&feature=related
atec 77
> Pretzl wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> I recently found out about someone in the area who has been on a
>>>> satellite phone provided by Telstra for the last 18months as Telstra
>>>> could not find a still workable pair in the twenty pair cable that
>>>> ran past his house.
>
>>> Yes, you do sometimes get stuff like that, but the bulk of the
>>> phone users in that area do not have that problem, fuckwit.
>
>> You never get out and meet people do you Rod
>
> Guess which pathetic little prat that got raped by some
> priest has got egg all over its pathetic little face,
you were in the same choir at uni before dropping out as philthy
same reason for removal I hear slurp lsurp
Rod Speed
>>> You never get out and meet people do you Rod
>> Guess which pathetic little prat that got raped by some
>> priest has got egg all over its pathetic little face, as always.
>> There's a reason you're only allowed to drive on rails, fuckwit.
> These Campbeltown Catholic Club girls Rod are hot!
You really need to get out more, child.
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> These Campbeltown Catholic Club girls Rod are hot!
>
>You really need to get out more, child.
>
Go on you know you want too
Petzl
--
Our parliaments need to obey our Constitutions,
the judiciary must apply the law
"Dieu est mon droit"
Rod Speed
>>> These Campbeltown Catholic Club girls Rod are hot!
>> You really need to get out more, child.
> Go on you know you want too
Why the fuck would I go anywhere near that sort of arsehole of the country ?
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Just you appear to be lonely, these drop dead gorgeous girls think
anyone with a job is fantastic, even you (age not important). They are
better than a blue pill
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Pretzl wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Pretzl wrote
>>>>> These Campbeltown Catholic Club girls Rod are hot!
>>>> You really need to get out more, child.
>>> Go on you know you want too
>> Why the fuck would I go anywhere near that sort of arsehole of the country ?
> Just you appear to be lonely,
Wrong, as always.
> these drop dead gorgeous girls
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
Most of them would be wogs, stupid.
> think anyone with a job is fantastic, even you (age not important).
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
> They are better than a blue pill
Just another stupid druggy.
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> These Campbeltown Catholic Club girls Rod are hot!
>
>>>>> You really need to get out more, child.
>
>>>> Go on you know you want too
>
>>> Why the fuck would I go anywhere near that sort of arsehole of the country ?
>
>> Just you appear to be lonely,
>
>Wrong, as always.
Glad to hear this
>> these drop dead gorgeous girls
>
>Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
No I don't take drugs these girls are hot if your unavaiable fine
>Most of them would be wogs, stupid.
Can't say I've seen anything but young Blue Eyed Blond Australian so
far, don't know where you got that idea from?
>> think anyone with a job is fantastic, even you (age not important).
>
>Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
Well I'm not available but have had a number chat me up and sit next
to me
>> They are better than a blue pill
>
>Just another stupid druggy.
>
Suit yourself. Tommorow is Friday 8:30pm be there and your wildest
dreams can come true
--
Petzl
Battle Hymn of the Republic
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=JCqZ-9-lDEo
http://tinyurl.com/8vqqxd
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> These Campbeltown Catholic Club girls Rod are hot!
>>>>>> You really need to get out more, child.
>>>>> Go on you know you want too
>>>> Why the fuck would I go anywhere near that sort of arsehole of the country ?
>>> Just you appear to be lonely,
>> Wrong, as always.
> Glad to hear this
>>> these drop dead gorgeous girls
>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
> No I don't take drugs
Obvious lie.
> these girls are hot
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
> if your unavaiable fine
>> Most of them would be wogs, stupid.
> Can't say I've seen anything but young Blue Eyed Blond Australian so far,
Thats because you wanked yourself completely blind.
> don't know where you got that idea from?
Thats all there is in Campbeltown, stupid.
>>> think anyone with a job is fantastic, even you (age not important).
>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
> Well I'm not available but have had a number chat me up and sit next to me
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>>> They are better than a blue pill
>> Just another stupid druggy.
> Suit yourself.
I always do.
> Tommorow is Friday 8:30pm be there and your wildest dreams can come true
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
Hunter
Coming from the fuckwit that considers the cock of the local priest to
be his "girlfriend" that's pretty rich.
So tell me pretzl, why is it that you categorically refuse to condemn
priests that molest children??? Didn't play a gig as a priest's hood
ornament for a time yourself did you? Fucking religious extremist loon....
keithr
Here are your nice catholic girls at work. Sounds like they can't stand
the competition.
Petzl
wrote:
>> Suit yourself. Tommorow is Friday 8:30pm be there and your wildest
>> dreams can come true
>
>Here are your nice catholic girls at work. Sounds like they can't stand
>the competition.
>
>http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/sex-workers-slam-hookers-facebook-page-set-up-by-catholic-school-pupils-20100212-nvhj.html
These girls are not "Hookers" just out for a good time Friday,
Saturday night, Seems to be more girls than guys. All are drop dead
gorgeous and available (Rod don't know what he's missing out on)
http://www.cathclub.com.au/
Rod Speed
Your email didnt have a viable return address.
Rod Speed
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:25:20 +1100, keithr <kei...@nowhere.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>> Suit yourself. Tommorow is Friday 8:30pm be there and your wildest
>>> dreams can come true
>>
>> Here are your nice catholic girls at work. Sounds like they can't
>> stand the competition.
>>
>> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/sex-workers-slam-hookers-facebook-page-set-up-by-catholic-school-pupils-20100212-nvhj.html
>
> These girls are not "Hookers" just out for a good time Friday,
> Saturday night, Seems to be more girls than guys.
You're so stupid you cant even work out which are the transvestites.
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Saturday night, Seems to be more girls than guys.
>
>You're so stupid you cant even work out which are the transvestites.
>
Most don't wear panties, not seen any with "tackle"
Rod Speed
>>> Saturday night, Seems to be more girls than guys.
>> You're so stupid you cant even work out which are the transvestites.
> Most don't wear panties, not seen any with "tackle"
You've inspected them all eh ? Yeah, right.
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
I am a bit of a perve when beauyiful ladies walk by
Saturday today Rod. Your only 30 minutes away from heaven
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Pretzl wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Pretzl wrote
>>>>> Saturday night, Seems to be more girls than guys.
>>>> You're so stupid you cant even work out which are the transvestites.
>>> Most don't wear panties, not seen any with "tackle"
>> You've inspected them all eh ? Yeah, right.
> I am a bit of a perve when beauyiful ladies walk by
But are so stupid that you couldnt work out what is a tranvestite if it bit you on your lard arse.
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am a bit of a perve when beauyiful ladies walk by
>
>But are so stupid that you couldnt work out what is a tranvestite if it bit you on your lard arse.
Not even by the fourth date?
Better get ready Rod times not waiting for you and the girls won't
either
Petzl
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Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> I am a bit of a perve when beauyiful ladies walk by
>> But are so stupid that you couldnt work out what
>> is a tranvestite if it bit you on your lard arse.
> Not even by the fourth date?
You never manage even one.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:46:07 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pretzl wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Pretzl wrote
>>>>> Saturday night, Seems to be more girls than guys.
>>>> You're so stupid you cant even work out which are the transvestites.
>>> Most don't wear panties, not seen any with "tackle"
>> You've inspected them all eh ? Yeah, right.
>>
> I am a bit of a perve when beauyiful ladies walk by
> Saturday today Rod. Your only 30 minutes away from heaven
Rod's so fast, it only takes him 30 seconds!
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"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!"
- Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
"This is the recession we had to have!"
- Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
"Silly old bugger!"
- Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke
responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
"By 1990, no child will live in poverty"
- Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
"A billion trees ..."
- Borke, pissed as a newt again.
"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor
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- Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his
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"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!"
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keithr
I never said that they are whores, but if what you say is true
(unlikely) then they are certainly sluts.
However what these "Nice catholic girls" were advocating that men use
the services of prostitutes (last I heard, fornication is not encouraged
by the christian church) and then murder the prostitute rather than pay
her (that would seem to be in direct contravention of the sixth
commandment, and probably the eighth too by taking her services and not
paying for them).
Delightful young ladies in your church, open their legs for anybody, and
advocate theft and murder, they make the satan worshipers seem quite tame.
> "Dieu est mon droit" God is my right
Your right what?
Petzl
wrote:
>>
>> These girls are not "Hookers" just out for a good time Friday,
>> Saturday night, Seems to be more girls than guys. All are drop dead
>> gorgeous and available (Rod don't know what he's missing out on)
>> http://www.cathclub.com.au/
>> Petzl
>
>I never said that they are whores, but if what you say is true
>(unlikely) then they are certainly sluts.
Thought Rod could do with a little rough stuff ;->
One thing they would put a smile on his face
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keithr
> keithr wrote:
>> On 4/02/2010 12:37 AM, Green Lantern wrote:
>>> " Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF "<"theol...@kangarooistan.com.au is
>>> a stupid arselifting troll ."> wrote in message
>>> news:00f2ce91$0$15581$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>>> http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/failed-broadband-plan-cost-30-million-20100203-ndd8.html
>>>>
>>>> The KRudd government's $4.7 billion plan for a fibre-to-the-node (FTTN)
>>>> national broadband network was unlikely ever to succeed due to a
>>>> number of
>>>> significant risks, a report has found.
>>>>
>>>> A National Audit Office inquiry has also found the failed tender
>>>> process
>>>> came at a cost to taxpayers and project proponents of more than $30
>>>> million.
>>>>
>>>> The FTTN plan was abandoned in April last year and replaced with the
>>>> $42
>>>> billion fibre-to-the-premises option after it was determined none of
>>>> the
>>>> proposals submitted met government expectations.
>>>>
>>>> However, the audit office on Wednesday said the government had been
>>>> given
>>>> "early advice" about key risks to the success of the request for
>>>> proposals
>>>> process for the FTTN plan.
>>>>
>>>> Among those key risks, a non-Telstra proposal was unlikely to build and
>>>> operate a commercially viable NBN in circumstances where the proponent
>>>> might have to pay the telco to use its existing infrastructure.
>>>>
>>>> Telstra had been excluded from the tender process after failing to
>>>> submit
>>>> a small-business plan as part of its proposal.
>>>>
>>>> The government was also warned the global financial crisis had
>>>> significantly reduced the prospects of a successful outcome by
>>>> affecting
>>>> the viability of proposals, and that there was limited scope to
>>>> upgrade a
>>>> FTTN network.
>>>>
>>>> Despite its observations, the audit office has not made any
>>>> recommendations because of the termination of the request for proposals
>>>> process.
>>>>
>>>> It did, however, raise concerns that the process had come at a cost
>>>> to the
>>>> government and proponents in excess of $30 million, including some $17
>>>> million for the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital
>>>> Economy.
>>>>
>>>> Companies bidding to build the network were left out of pocket by
>>>> between
>>>> $1 million and $8 million.
>>>>
>>>> Opposition communications spokesman Tony Smith said the report
>>>> showed the
>>>> entire process had been fatally flawed.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Smith said Communications Minister Stephen Conroy had "ensured more
>>>> than $30 million went down the drain".
>>>>
>>>> "It is also clear the minister ignored increasing warnings that the
>>>> process was failing."
>>>>
>>>> The report should ring alarm bells for Australians about the failure of
>>>> the Rudd government to assess risk and ensure value for money, Mr Smith
>>>> said.
>>>
>>> Labour are sure good at wasting money.
>>>
>> Sure, lets not mention the billion dollars that the coalition wasted
>> trying to convert a bunch of clapped out second hand 60s helicopters
>> to function in the 21st century. When it comes to wasting money, they
>> are all as bad as each other.
>
> "Come on fixing a Moke is worth any amount. I even learned how to use a
> sewing machine to make a new hood" - keithretard
>
> So fixing a Moke is worth any amount but not some alleged "clapped out
> second hand 60s helicopters", eh?
>
Very true, the moke worked fine but the clapped out choppers remained
just that, a clapped out heap of junk.
Petzl
wrote:
>> So fixing a Moke is worth any amount but not some alleged "clapped out
>> second hand 60s helicopters", eh?
>>
>Very true, the moke worked fine but the clapped out choppers remained
>just that, a clapped out heap of junk.
Fact is thaat for Australia to get it's communications forward the so
xalled NBN needs to start moving.
I mention New Zealand before VSDL2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_bitrate_digital_subscriber_line
Well it was Telstra Australia that has put in optic fibre for it
Rod Speed
> keithr <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote
>>> So fixing a Moke is worth any amount but not some
>>> alleged "clapped out second hand 60s helicopters", eh?
>> Very true, the moke worked fine but the clapped out
>> choppers remained just that, a clapped out heap of junk.
> Fact is thaat for Australia to get it's communications
> forward the so xalled NBN needs to start moving.
Wrong, as always.
> I mention New Zealand before VSDL2
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_bitrate_digital_subscriber_line
There is more of that in this country than in NZ, stupid.
> Well it was Telstra Australia that has put in optic fibre for it
NZ does not have FTTP, fool.
Petzl
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Fact is thaat for Australia to get it's communications
>> forward the so called NBN needs to start moving.
>
>Wrong, as always.
The main Copper wire to Exchange needed replacing over 20 years ago in
my suburb. You think other existing copper wire will last forever?
>> I mention New Zealand before VSDL2
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_bitrate_digital_subscriber_line
>
>There is more of that in this country than in NZ, stupid.
Don't doubt it (not enough however)
>> Well it was Telstra Australia that has put in optic fibre for it
>
>NZ does not have FTTP, fool.
>
Neither does most of Australia
Rod Speed
>>> Fact is thaat for Australia to get it's communications
>>> forward the so called NBN needs to start moving.
>> Wrong, as always.
> The main Copper wire to Exchange needed replacing over 20 years ago in my suburb.
Wrong, as always.
> You think other existing copper wire will last forever?
It will last long enough.
>>> I mention New Zealand before VSDL2
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_bitrate_digital_subscriber_line
>> There is more of that in this country than in NZ, stupid.
> Don't doubt it (not enough however)
Wrong, as always.
>>> Well it was Telstra Australia that has put in optic fibre for it
>> NZ does not have FTTP, fool.
> Neither does most of Australia
It will.
Terryc
> Even the worst lines in suburbia do that fine.
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
> never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
Rod Move away from the mirror.
Terryc
> (last I heard, fornication is not encouraged by the christian church)
The "
catholic Club" is a Roman Catholic Club and that little roman pope is
into encouraging all the fornication and procreation he can to get
parishioner numbers up. The first RC wedding I ever went, they kept on
hammering on about "and their children" to I kept looking back up the
ailse to see if they were going to wheel in a bed on wheels for them to
have one before they left the chucrh.
keithr
with the lights out, the man on top, and no contraception.