So how far are we into the judging?

[Incognito]

So Dan (or anybody at google),

How far are you guys into the judging? The suspense is killing me.

[Android-Fan]

Yeah.

The suspense is adding up to the heat of Mumbai's hot summer.

It has made me edgy and snappy at everyone around of me.

And the worst is that my app's starting screen had a link to our
website where I have posted late-stuff documentation updates. Every
morning when I reach office, I check my webserver statistics. Till
today morning India time, the documentation has not been accessed by
the judges. It is driving me (and my wife and son around me :-) crazy.

A request to Google. For the 1728 apps that do not make it, would it
be possible to email each participant on the exact score that their
app had received on each of the 4 criteria ? It will help some of us
in our future Android work.

Android Fan.
Mumbai, India.

[Incognito]

>>It has made me edgy and snappy at everyone around of me.

Same here, I keep checking this forum every 5 minutes in hope of new
official news from google. This is not good since I'm having a really
hard time concentrating on my work.

> > How far are you guys into the judging? The suspense is killing me.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Muthu Ramadoss]

The judging has reached the final stage. The top 100 had been filtered out of 1788 apps. The judges are busy now selecting the final 50 winners out of the top 100.

Good luck droids!

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Incognito <andro...@yahoo.com> wrote:

So Dan (or anybody at google),

How far are you guys into the judging? The suspense is killing me.

--
take care,
Muthu Ramadoss.

http://mobeegal.in
find stuff closer.

[Incognito]

OK, this is why I think that they will not make the May 5th deadline.
Dan M. said that there are around 100 judges, also, he mentioned that
each judge had about 76 applications. Now, if there are 1788
applications and each application has four judges then that means that
there are effectively 1788*4=7152 entries to judge.
You hear that, they are judgin 7152 applications. Since there are
only 100 judges then each judge gets 7152/100=72 applications. Which
is very close to the 76 applications.

So assuming that each judge spends a minimum of 30 minutes judging an
application he will need (76*30)/60= 38 hours to judge all of them.
But judges are not machines, so between their real work, distractions,
and having to stop and go with every new application I would double
this time which is still very agreesive. So they need 76 hours each to
judge the applications. That is almost two weeks of full time work.
Unless we assume that they are doing nothing else I think it is a bit
of a strech to say that they will finish on time.

On May 1, 2:34 am, "Muthu Ramadoss" <muthu.ramad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The judging has reached the final stage. The top 100 had been filtered out
> of 1788 apps. The judges are busy now selecting the final 50 winners out of
> the top 100.
>
> Good luck droids!
>

[Incognito]

Also, it appears that Google has to get a signed document from the
participants that win so that they can use their names in connection
with the contest. So it appears that after the winners are told, we,
the loosers, will not find out whoe the winners are until all the
paperwork is done. I really hope I'm wrong though. At least I hope
they annoce to all of us when the winners have been chosen.

> > find stuff closer.- Hide quoted text -

[Muthu Ramadoss]

The top 100 had been reached. So now its only a matter of selecting the 50 winners. May 5 stands and now I'm more hopeful the winners will be announced on May 5.

[Incognito]

Muthu, I think you are just blufing. You are just as oblivious as the
rest of us! ;)

[Chris]

> So assuming that each judge spends a minimum of 30 minutes judging an
> application

I'm thinking more like 10 mins...perhaps maybe a couple more between
applications to wipe data and do a fresh install...

[Muthu Ramadoss]

Agree, it would be like 10 mins. 30 mins is just too long to evaluate any application.

[Muthu Ramadoss]

But the winners can always announce it in the WINNERMETER!

[tberthel]

People could test my games for a couple of hours without winning
either game. Much less read the documentation. I think some will get
20 min and some will get 3 hours.

[Kevin Galligan]

10 minutes. But you have to read docs. Then you test. Then scores.
Then I'd bet you have to write something about the app. Then you get
an email from your buddy about something...

10 minutes is not a lot of time.

Now, Muthu. you may be right. But why are you insisting you are with
no real info? You're like my stepfather.

[arnouf]

Hello all,

So If I understand well. 100 applications have been selected without
to be tested!!
Wow...So, If I no connection on my server before monday, I think that
my apps is already out!

I thought that to test application we must read documentation, test
application...

5 months to develop a server and an Android application without to be
tested...It's a little bit hard to understand!

Arnaud

On May 1, 2:27 pm, "Kevin Galligan" <kgalli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 10 minutes. But you have to read docs. Then you test. Then scores.
> Then I'd bet you have to write something about the app. Then you get
> an email from your buddy about something...
>
> 10 minutes is not a lot of time.
>
> Now, Muthu. you may be right. But why are you insisting you are with
> no real info? You're like my stepfather.
>

> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 3:31 AM, Muthu Ramadoss <muthu.ramad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Agree, it would be like 10 mins. 30 mins is just too long to evaluate any
> > application.
>

[Muthu Ramadoss]

arnouf,

Where did you get this idea, that the judges are not testing your application in a fair way? Do you have any concrete proof that your application was wasted?

[arnouf]

I read on different thread here :
- judges read the first page of our manual
- can look the video that we sent (I don't attach video, it was too
big..and well...)
- if judge is interesting by the doc, he could launch the application
to look the UI, but not really for testing
- I had a connexion on my web server from California (OK it could be
good)
- but nobody has subscribed on the website to test the application
(synchronization between application and web server)

I've no proof that my app is out, but sincerely...I'm not anymore
enthousiasm ! do you have a proof that I'm or not in 100 !! :)

Regards,
Arnaud

[Muthu Ramadoss]

Kevin,

The time the judges spend on an application is pure speculation from our part.  I'm taking some guesses just like you ;)

RE: me like your stepfather, I'm old but not THAT old :-)

[Muthu Ramadoss]

Its all speculation and guesses. No one knows except for Google. And we all must trust Google will do the right thing in the end.

[Kevin Galligan]

For the record, the stepfather crack was a joke. I'm in my 30's. My
stepfather is fond of "knowing stuff", though. He's a republican.

[Biosopher]

I just got two more hits to my server yesterday by two separate IP
addresses. Both were in the early morning Pacific Coast time so 2am &
4am so perhaps from Europe unless someone on the East Coast was up
early & already judging.

Don't know if that means PJ is in the top 100 or those were stragglers
in the early round of judging.

Muthu seems to have an inside connection. I could use a few of
those... ;-)

So I'll throw my lot in with Muthu and try to be optimistic.

Anthony

[Muthu Ramadoss]

If your server is getting hits now, you are definitely in top 100.

If I've got insider connection, I would have entered 50 applications for ADC ;)

[Chris]

> If your server is getting hits now, you are definitely in top 100.

Or maybe they are just behind on judging? Or maybe on schedule and
finishing last minute?

[Kornelius Tuggerson]

I am not really sweating the judging process. I figure if I really
polish off my app for android and then write a windows compact and a
j2me version its bound to go somewhere. So whether I win or not, there
is still almost a year of work to do. Well, back to that...

[Kevin Galligan]

So....

Any more info on this? I looked back in the history of posts. As of
Saturday, I'd officially had one review. There may have been some
crossed wires there, as I have two submissions, but looking at the
logs, as of Saturday they both looked to have been hit for real like
one time each.

The second submission got hit a little Sunday, but not the main one.

Its thursday. Still had one real review, as far as I can tell. Hate
to be annoying, cause I'm sure we are by now, but what's the story?

Muthu, I know. Its over and I should turn my server off.

[Pete Zybrick]

my client/server app got hit last Sunday from someone in Berlin (I'm
in the states). i have concrete proof that the judges did not test my
application in a fair way. to run the demo, my readme.pdf explicitly
states:

type: connect 111-111-1001
they entered: connect 111-111-1101

i have this information from my server logs. they tried the same
incorrect number twice, then disconnected, so they never actually saw
my app run. no hits since sunday. i've posted another message
requesting a response from google, but have not heard a thing (i
haven't seen any posts from anyone at google in about a week). for
now, i'm giving google the benefit of the doubt and hoping to see some
activity over the weekend, since it seems thats the only time a
majority of the judging is occuring.

I don't want to sound arrogant. I'm not saying i would win. In fact,
i think the judging criteria makes it very difficult for a client/
server app to win - my UI is extremely simple, basically a simple
portal into a message-driven service oriented architecture supporting
distributed and scalable Personal and Shared Services. So I've
basically given up a bunch of points on the UI. I'm ok with that, I
knew that when I entered. But if I don't have a chance because a judge
didn't follow basic instructions, well that would be frustrating.


On May 1, 8:33 pm, Kornelius Tuggerson <victor.seme...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Pete Zybrick]

my client/server app got hit last Sunday from someone in Berlin (I'm
in the states). i have concrete proof that the judges did not test my
application in a fair way. to run the demo, my readme.pdf explicitly
states:

type: connect 111-111-1001
they entered: connect 111-111-1101

i have this information from my server logs. they tried the same
incorrect number twice, then disconnected, so they never actually saw
my app run. no hits since sunday. i've posted another message
requesting a response from google, but have not heard a thing (i
haven't seen any posts from anyone at google in about a week). for
now, i'm giving google the benefit of the doubt and hoping to see some
activity over the weekend, since it seems thats the only time a
majority of the judging is occuring.

I don't want to sound arrogant. I'm not saying i would win. In fact,
i think the judging criteria makes it very difficult for a client/
server app to win - my UI is extremely simple, basically a simple

portal into a message-driven services oriented architecture supporting

distributed and scalable Personal and Shared Services. So I've
basically given up a bunch of points on the UI. I'm ok with that, I
knew that when I entered. But if I don't have a chance because a judge
didn't follow basic instructions, well that would be frustrating.


On May 1, 8:33 pm, Kornelius Tuggerson <victor.seme...@gmail.com>
wrote:

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[Incognito]

Yeah, please do turn off your server, the competition is over. Just
kidding!

> >  Anthony- Hide quoted text -

[Incognito]

>> I'm not saying i would win

Then why the big stint? If you don't think you are going to win then
what is the use of compalining?

[Incognito]

>my client/server app got hit last Sunday from someone in Berlin (I'm
>in the states). i have concrete proof that the judges did not test my
>application in a fair way. to run the demo, my readme.pdf explicitly
>states:

> type: connect 111-111-1001
>they entered: connect 111-111-1101

No offense man but it is not the judges fault. This type of mistake
will happen in the real world and if you did not account for that than
it is your fault.

[ajd]

On Apr 30, 11:34 pm, "Muthu Ramadoss" <muthu.ramad...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The judging has reached the final stage. The top 100 had been filtered out
> of 1788 apps. The judges are busy now selecting the final 50 winners out of
> the top 100.
>

I believe you Muthu. But I'm sticking with my own version that the top
100 had been selected even before the rest of you submitted
entries :-)

[Incognito]

>I believe you Muthu. But I'm sticking with my own version that the top
>100 had been selected even before the rest of you submitted
>entries :-)

I will say that too if I don't win. It will help me cope with the fact
that I did not win and lessen the looser feeling.
There is no way my app wasn't good enough! :)

[Anil]

http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge/msg/6c49bbf06f37ea5e

On May 1, 1:43 pm, "Kevin Galligan" <kgalli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So....
>
> Any more info on this? I looked back in the history of posts. As of
> Saturday, I'd officially had one review. There may have been some
> crossed wires there, as I have two submissions, but looking at the
> logs, as of Saturday they both looked to have been hit for real like
> one time each.
>
> The second submission got hit a little Sunday, but not the main one.
>
> Its thursday. Still had one real review, as far as I can tell. Hate
> to be annoying, cause I'm sure we are by now, but what's the story?
>
> Muthu, I know. Its over and I should turn my server off.
>

[luckydroid]

Muthu, My Able Challenge Partner, you are too much!
You sound like an official Google spokesperson.
-mac

On Apr 30, 11:34 pm, "Muthu Ramadoss" <muthu.ramad...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The judging has reached the final stage. The top 100 had been filtered out
> of 1788 apps. The judges are busy now selecting the final 50 winners out of
> the top 100.
>

> Good luck droids!

>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Incognito <androidf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > So Dan (or anybody at google),
>
> > How far are you guys into the judging? The suspense is killing me.
>

[efon...@gmail.com]

Decisions take a long time when there is no resolvable difference
between two, or more, alternatives.

I also expect that the criteria may have to be adjusted a bit, as when
one turns the crank on many criteria the end goal is not achieved.
Sure the criteria are honored, but are you really going where you want
to go?... Here is sequence of steps that a blank slate could use to
aim the money constructively. I would suspect they followed this
pattern.

1) look at all applications to get an idea of what can be done. Make a
list of categories. Put each application into a category.
2) take half your budget and assign it across categories based on
where you want to dominate the market. Use target customers in the
same way apple did with the enterprise space.
3) assign the money to applications in each space. See if your goals
are reached with the money spread so thin. Go back and add money to
categories that need more redundancy, or places where additional
effort is needed.

This kind of follows the i-fund model. Fertilize the areas where you
want growth.

I don't really remember the criteria - a friend who read it suggested
it would net out 49 games. I think he was kidding... sort of.

Anyway, our criteria is about making a difference, and android is the
best vehicle to do that. New SDK, please.

[Biosopher]

I gotta echo that, efon...@gmail.com.

At minimum let's get the new SDK out in the wild so we have something
to keep ourselves occupied while waiting for the announcements.

[Ram]

as per Dan's comments on http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge/browse_thread/thread/89fdeebadbcf7007,
the top 100 apps were selected and sent to a new judge panel late last
week.

So if your app was tested by any judges this week (or late last week),
it is likely that your app is in the top 100 list.

Ram

[Aghi Holl]

live and let die :]

--
Aghi Holl
http://androidwear.com
Gear your Droid!

[Kevin Galligan]

You know. For the second contest. I think google should seriously
consider letting the people who are not in the 100 know, rather than
letting everybody wait like this. I'm pretty sure I'm out, but its
possible that I'm not, so again like a lab rat I keep checking the
logs. Waiting for a hit.

Where's the cheese, man?