The reason *more* Stargate is needed
Ken from Chicago
I like the characters. I like the actors. I like the sets.
Um, can anyone tell me what is the point? What is the mission? What's the
purpose of the Atlantis Expedition? Sure, they originally were trying to
find Ancient technology, but currently they seem to be just targets, first
of the Wraith then the Replicators. They've been in hiding, but it seems
pert near half the (Pegasus) galaxy know they weren't destroyed. Of course
considering when they do go on scouting missions they don't even bother to
wear disguises but where their Atlantis outfits complete with logo. What's
the overarching arc?
The solution is MORE Stargate spin-offs:
--STARGATE COMMAND: The SGC program finally goes public as it's revealed
there are aliens among us and aliens out there, along with places to
colonize. They need policing and assimilating as well as proper medical
care.
--STARGATE RENEGADES: RepliCarter, Fifth, Michael, RepliWeir, Ford, , Niam,
Ba'al, Adria. There are a number of recurring characters who straddle the
line between good and bad who can easily go either way, who have trouble
fitting in with society. You could have a series following a group of them.
--STARGATE FRONTIER: Where SGC would be about aliens assimilating among
human society. SGB could be about humans colonizing an alien world, and
assimilating with the local aliens there.
--STARGATE ORACLE: "You are the Fifth Race. Your role is clear. If there is
any hope in preserving the future, it lies with you and your people."
Minutes before dying, the last of the Asgard race, Thor said those words to
SG1--and to humanity. But how did Thor know? What or whom convinced him that
humans, the Tau'ri were indeed the Fifth Race when other Asgardians had
doubts? Was the Ori the only threat humanity faced--or was there something,
or someone, worse? And what price will be paid to find out not to mention to
construct some kind of defense? All those questions and more will be
answered, when the search begins for said "Oracle".
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. Curious, one race known for predicting the future: the Furlings.
Coincidence?
spi...@freenet.co.uk
Ken from Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
> The solution is MORE Stargate spin-offs:
There IS a stargate spinoff... It's in the works now.
Stargate: universe.
> --STARGATE RENEGADES:
>RepliCarter,
dead
> Fifth,
dead
> Michael,
Prolly still going to appear in more atlantis eps.
> RepliWeir,
Possibly dead. We'll find out soon. Perhaps.
> Ford,
Not been seen in a while. So possibly.
> Niam,
Remind me.
> Ba'al,
Possibly still around...
> Adria.
Otherwise engaged elsewhere. (I'll say no more)
> P.S. Curious, one race known for predicting the future: the Furlings.
> Coincidence?
Where has there been evidence that the furlings knew how to predict the
future? They didn't do too well in predicting their little paradise would be
wiped out by goa'ould planted paranoia inducing weeds, did they?
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"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> STARGATE ATLANTIS
>
> I like the characters. I like the actors. I like the sets.
>
> Um, can anyone tell me what is the point? What is the mission? What's the
> purpose of the Atlantis Expedition? Sure, they originally were trying to
> find Ancient technology, but currently they seem to be just targets, first
> of the Wraith then the Replicators. They've been in hiding, but it seems
> pert near half the (Pegasus) galaxy know they weren't destroyed. Of course
> considering when they do go on scouting missions they don't even bother to
> wear disguises but where their Atlantis outfits complete with logo. What's
> the overarching arc?
>
> The solution is MORE Stargate spin-offs:
> --STARGATE COMMAND: The SGC program finally goes public as it's revealed
> there are aliens among us and aliens out there, along with places to
> colonize. They need policing and assimilating as well as proper medical
> care.
This could be a combination of cop, doc AND lawyer drama. You could have
crime fighting, fighting alien diseases as well as applying the law to
aliens.
> --STARGATE RENEGADES: RepliCarter, Fifth, Michael, RepliWeir, Ford, ,
> Niam, Ba'al, Adria. There are a number of recurring characters who
> straddle the line between good and bad who can easily go either way, who
> have trouble fitting in with society. You could have a series following a
> group of them.
This could be a more character-driven episodic show kinda like KUNG FU in
space.
> --STARGATE FRONTIER: Where SGC would be about aliens assimilating among
> human society. SGB could be about humans colonizing an alien world, and
> assimilating with the local aliens there.
This could be a more adventure space-based drama ala B5 or DS9.
> --STARGATE ORACLE: "You are the Fifth Race. Your role is clear. If there
> is any hope in preserving the future, it lies with you and your people."
> Minutes before dying, the last of the Asgard race, Thor said those words
> to SG1--and to humanity. But how did Thor know? What or whom convinced him
> that humans, the Tau'ri were indeed the Fifth Race when other Asgardians
> had doubts? Was the Ori the only threat humanity faced--or was there
> something, or someone, worse? And what price will be paid to find out not
> to mention to construct some kind of defense? All those questions and more
> will be answered, when the search begins for said "Oracle".
Clearly a quest driven drama. Natch major clues would be found in season
finales, but also clues as to whatever threat that threatens "the future".
--I would have the Doom that threatens the future revealed at the end of S1,
meanwhile discovering what happened to the advanced races in the galaxy (why
most planets seem to be medieval level tech or lower).
--Season 2 would have the SGO team seeing the destruction caused by said
Doom during their travels, finally getting the final key to finding the
Oracle in the S2 finale.
--Season 3 would feature a mad dash between the SGO and the Doom's powerful
minions, for the Oracle by the end of the finale, who would reveal what's
needed to "save the future".
--Season 4 would have a race for salvation, ending with their first solid
face-to-face win against Minions, but by the skin of their teeth. Only to
find out while they were searching for the Oracle and the Salvation, the
Doom has been working on something devastating as well.
--Season 5: The season of war. The SGO stops running and takes the fight to
the Doom.
--Season 6: We find out the Real Truth about the Doom and how "the future"
is still in danger, and has been all along.
--Season 7: We find out the Real Truth about the Furlings, what happened to
them, and who or what the Oracle really are.
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
> P.S. Curious, one race known for predicting the future: the Furlings.
> Coincidence?
-- Showrunner Ken from Chicago
Pete B
kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
> STARGATE ATLANTIS
>
> I like the characters. I like the actors. I like the sets.
The roll your own:
http://www.stage6.com/user/Bratak/video/2033117/Stargate-Worlds---Debut-Trailer
>
> Um, can anyone tell me what is the point? What is the mission? What's the
> purpose of the Atlantis Expedition?
To make money for Halliburton.
Anim8rFSK
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> STARGATE ATLANTIS
>
> I like the characters.
I like less than half the characters.
> I like the actors.
Same notation.
> I like the sets.
Yes
>
> Um, can anyone tell me what is the point?
On screen? No. Off screen? To make cheaper Stargate.
> What is the mission? What's the
> purpose of the Atlantis Expedition?
I have no idea.
> Sure, they originally were trying to
> find Ancient technology, but currently they seem to be just targets, first
> of the Wraith then the Replicators. They've been in hiding, but it seems
> pert near half the (Pegasus) galaxy know they weren't destroyed.
And last week they told the Wraith that they were there and gave them
their location, and for no reason I understand also gave Vampire Girl
their location.
Of course
> considering when they do go on scouting missions they don't even bother to
> wear disguises but where their Atlantis outfits complete with logo. What's
> the overarching arc?
>
> The solution is MORE Stargate spin-offs:
The solution is better writing.
--
Jitterbug phones:
Fourth one is in hand. Doesn't work. Yet. :(
James Gassaway
> STARGATE ATLANTIS
>
<snip list of spinoffs based on current popular non-SF shows>
Uh, Ken? Didn't you post this same list about six months ago?
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> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>> STARGATE ATLANTIS
>>
> <snip list of spinoffs based on current popular non-SF shows>
>
> Uh, Ken? Didn't you post this same list about six months ago?
James, do you have a sister named Lisa?
watercooler rr newst
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Frank, do you have a dog called she-comma? :)
Anybody
> STARGATE ATLANTIS
>
> I like the characters. I like the actors. I like the sets.
>
> Um, can anyone tell me what is the point? What is the mission? What's the
> purpose of the Atlantis Expedition? Sure, they originally were trying to
> find Ancient technology, but currently they seem to be just targets, first
> of the Wraith then the Replicators. They've been in hiding, but it seems
> pert near half the (Pegasus) galaxy know they weren't destroyed. Of course
> considering when they do go on scouting missions they don't even bother to
> wear disguises but where their Atlantis outfits complete with logo. What's
> the overarching arc?
Maybe there isn't one. It's purely episodic entertainment - watch it
show by show. :-)
DJensen
wrote:
> STARGATE ATLANTIS
>
> I like the characters. I like the actors. I like the sets.
>
> Um, can anyone tell me what is the point? What is the mission? What's the
> purpose of the Atlantis Expedition? Sure, they originally were trying to
> find Ancient technology, but currently they seem to be just targets, first
> of the Wraith then the Replicators. They've been in hiding, but it seems
> pert near half the (Pegasus) galaxy know they weren't destroyed. Of course
> considering when they do go on scouting missions they don't even bother to
> wear disguises but where their Atlantis outfits complete with logo. What's
> the overarching arc?
Didn't SG1 start out all "protect the Earth" and turn into "purge the
galaxy of all threats to humans everywhere" too? I don't have a
problem with that.
SGA needs better writers, but lacking a 5+ season long story arc isn't
something that needs to be fixed.
--
DJensen
he-dot.
wrong
guess again...
Anybody
<n...@thanks.com> wrote:
She-apostrophe? She-hyphen? ;-)
he-dot.
>>>> James, do you have a sister named Lisa?
>>> Frank,
>> wrong
>>
>> guess again...
>
> She-apostrophe? She-hyphen? ;-)
Where'd you get 'Frank'?
whodunit
I'm telling Grammar if y'all don't stop this fussin'! :-)
a d a m
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:25:34 -0800 (PST), I found that DJensen
> <i_m...@yahoo.ca> Scribbled the following on the bathroom wall:
>
> >Didn't SG1 start out all "protect the Earth" and turn into "purge the
> >galaxy of all threats to humans everywhere" too? I don't have a
> >problem with that.
>
> after the Earth.
>
<snip>
Even so, the Ancients theoretically would go after Earth for changing
the fates of so many worlds.The Ori ascend so they can be
contained.Who knows if that was the entire plan with this ascension
business? :-)
James Gassaway
*raised eyebrow* Why do you ask?
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It begins...."
DJensen
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:25:34 -0800 (PST), I found that DJensen
> <i_m...@yahoo.ca> Scribbled the following on the bathroom wall:
>
> >galaxy of all threats to humans everywhere" too? I don't have a
> >problem with that.
>
> after the Earth.
SG1 defended humans on other worlds from things that weren't
threatening Earth at the time. Not to mention meddling in the internal
affairs of other human worlds (racism, gender equality, what have
you). Looking back, most of season 1 was just aimless wandering too.
--
DJensen
a d a m
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:41:30 -0800 (PST), I found that a d a m
> <shepp...@yahoo.com> Scribbled the following on the bathroom wall:
Atlantis was parked on Earth.
You wouldn't happen to be
> pulling this from somewhere would you?
My memory.
DEE
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:41:30 -0800 (PST), I found that a d a m
a d a m
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:27:39 -0800 (PST), I found that DEE
> <shepp...@yahoo.com> Scribbled the following on the bathroom wall:
>
>
>
> >On Jan 7, 10:28 pm, The One True Roger <love2p...@gawab.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:41:30 -0800 (PST), I found that a d a m
> >> <shepp...@yahoo.com> Scribbled the following on the bathroom wall:
>
> >> >On Jan 7, 6:15 pm, The One True Roger <love2p...@gawab.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:25:34 -0800 (PST), I found that DJensen
> >> >> <i_m...@yahoo.ca> Scribbled the following on the bathroom wall:
>
> >> >> >Didn't SG1 start out all "protect the Earth" and turn into "purge the
> >> >> >galaxy of all threats to humans everywhere" too? I don't have a
> >> >> >problem with that.
>
> >> >> They basically HAD to change the premise, as everyone started going
> >> >> after the Earth.
>
> >> ><snip>
>
> >> >Even so, the Ancients theoretically would go after Earth for changing
> >> >the fates of so many worlds.The Ori ascend so they can be
> >> >contained.Who knows if that was the entire plan with this ascension
> >> >business? :-)
>
> >> When did the ancients ever go after Earth?
> >How did the ATA gene get to Earth?
>
>
> Remember Thor's words, we are the 2nd evolution of the species on
> Earth?
Of course.Merlin was an Ancient, Orlin came here, there is an Ancient
base on Antarctica, Daniel, Jack, and John have the gene, Aiyana was
found frozen here, from memory.
To answer my own question, (and by Ancients I use the term for the
ascended ones), probably the only way to fight would be to get them to
fight each other(which is the basis for some fanfic I wrote).A single
Ancient can control the weather.
Ken from Chicago
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> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>> STARGATE ATLANTIS
>>
> <snip list of spinoffs based on current popular non-SF shows>
>
> Uh, Ken? Didn't you post this same list about six months ago?
No. That was way back in 2006. Things have changed since.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.stargate-sg1/msg/138ccf5fcc38e9c5
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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They were looking for stuff to make them go.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"The One True Roger" <love...@gawab.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:21:18 -0800 (PST), I found that DJensen
> <i_m...@yahoo.ca> Scribbled the following on the bathroom wall:
>
>>On Jan 7, 7:15 pm, The One True Roger <love2p...@gawab.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:25:34 -0800 (PST), I found that DJensen
>>> <i_m...@yahoo.ca> Scribbled the following on the bathroom wall:
>>>
>>> >Didn't SG1 start out all "protect the Earth" and turn into "purge the
>>> >galaxy of all threats to humans everywhere" too? I don't have a
>>> >problem with that.
>>>
>>> They basically HAD to change the premise, as everyone started going
>>> after the Earth.
>>
>>SG1 defended humans on other worlds from things that weren't
>>threatening Earth at the time. Not to mention meddling in the internal
>>affairs of other human worlds (racism, gender equality, what have
>>you). Looking back, most of season 1 was just aimless wandering too.
>
>
> due to saving lives of various SGC members too, not to destroy any
> other civilizations. It wasn't until the end of season 1, when Apophis
> set out to destroy Earth for revenge did the show turn into the SGC
> looking for weapons and allies against the Goa'Uld
That was Daniel meddling. O'Neill severely frowned on same.
-- Ken from Chicago
spi...@freenet.co.uk
The One True Roger <love...@gawab.com> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
> Atlantis was built on Earth IIRC, the Ancients were the first
> evolution of humans on Earth, we being the 2nd according to the
> Asgard.
The Asgard are too young a race to know the ancients' origins...
Ahem... sorry for that pun...
They originated in the Ori galaxy.
> The Ancients didn't try to conquer us at all.
Indeed.
>>
>>You wouldn't happen to be
>>> pulling this from somewhere would you?
>>
>>My memory.
>>
> The ancients were the ones who kept the Milky Way hidden from the Ori
> to protect the galaxy, once Daniel and Vala made contact with the
> Ori's home galaxy, that stealth was broken.
Yep.
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>> RepliWeir,
>
> Possibly dead. We'll find out soon. Perhaps.
Alive in 4x11.
Merrick Baldelli
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>STARGATE ATLANTIS
>
>I like the characters. I like the actors. I like the sets.
I like the dripping with sarcasm opening of this.
>Um, can anyone tell me what is the point?
The point is that Bonnie Hammer(ed) has no fucking idea on how
to order a successful sci-fi show for a television channel that's
supposed to be dedicated to the thing.
>What is the mission?
If I knew what the mission was, I'm sure that I would be able
to write either fanfic or slash to it. Although I'll admit that the
only slash that I've been able to envision is Sheppard screwing
ancient technology because he shows more life plugging his dangly bits
into sockets than Flanigan does actually acting.
>What's the purpose of the Atlantis Expedition?
To boldly go where.. err, that's not it.
To kick some Wraith ass.. err, well yeah they can, but the
Wraith are like the retards of the Pegasus Galaxy.
Ummm... *looking meekly* I don't know really. But you did
try to sum it up here rather nicely.
>Sure, they originally were trying to find Ancient technology, but currently
>they seem to be just targets, first of the Wraith then the Replicators.
By painting a Bullseye on their foreheads and their asses.
Yes! Apparently the writers of Atlantis studied Jack McDevitt who
goes out of his way to make homo sapiens totally evil icons in other
races' eyes.
>They've been in hiding, but it seems pert near half the (Pegasus) galaxy know they
>weren't destroyed. Of course considering when they do go on scouting missions they
>don't even bother to wear disguises but where their Atlantis outfits complete with
>logo. What's the overarching arc?
Ummm.. Hi! You seemed to have summed it up at the beginning
of the paragraph, which I interpreted rather nicely about putting
bullseyes on their foreheads and asses.
>The solution is MORE Stargate spin-offs:
>--STARGATE COMMAND: The SGC program finally goes public as it's revealed
>there are aliens among us and aliens out there, along with places to
>colonize. They need policing and assimilating as well as proper medical
>care.
NO NO NO, FUCK NO!!! STARGATE: 90210! Get them as
angst-ridden teenagers trying to make sense of why the universe wants
to euthanize them for being so fuggin' ANNOYING.
>--STARGATE RENEGADES: RepliCarter, Fifth, Michael, RepliWeir, Ford, , Niam,
>Ba'al, Adria. There are a number of recurring characters who straddle the
>line between good and bad who can easily go either way, who have trouble
>fitting in with society. You could have a series following a group of them.
STARGATE: THE VAMPIRE SLAYER. Ba'al as an ass-kissing...
*stops and looks what he typed* err how Freudian of me. I
guess I want Cliff Simon to kiss some ass in some hot man-on-man
action. *grins impishly*
As I was saying.. Ba'al as an Ass-Kicking G'aould out to kill
all the remaining G'aould..
>--STARGATE FRONTIER: Where SGC would be about aliens assimilating among
>human society. SGB could be about humans colonizing an alien world, and
>assimilating with the local aliens there.
STARGATE: BORG... An already bad idea made infinitely worse
by hiring the two ass-sucking monkeys Berman & Braga to wreck the
franchise..
I'm almost getting a wettie from the thought.
>--STARGATE ORACLE: "You are the Fifth Race. Your role is clear. If there is
>any hope in preserving the future, it lies with you and your people."
>Minutes before dying, the last of the Asgard race, Thor said those words to
>SG1--and to humanity. But how did Thor know? What or whom convinced him that
>humans, the Tau'ri were indeed the Fifth Race when other Asgardians had
>doubts? Was the Ori the only threat humanity faced--or was there something,
>or someone, worse? And what price will be paid to find out not to mention to
>construct some kind of defense? All those questions and more will be
>answered, when the search begins for said "Oracle".
This is sounding too much like Oracle's President Charles
Phillips' taking control and causing everyone to pay serious costs per
seat for a piece of bloated software...
Wow.. This was almost fun.. Do it again! Harder this time!
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> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:25:56 -0600, "Ken from Chicago"
> <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> The solution is MORE Stargate spin-offs:
>> --STARGATE COMMAND: The SGC program finally goes public as it's revealed
>> there are aliens among us and aliens out there, along with places to
>> colonize. They need policing and assimilating as well as proper medical
>> care.
>
> NO NO NO, FUCK NO!!! STARGATE: 90210! Get them as
> angst-ridden teenagers trying to make sense of why the universe wants
> to euthanize them for being so fuggin' ANNOYING.
I thought that was Roswell. :-)
--Leigh
Stile4aly
But was that RepliWeir, Real Weir, or RepliWeir Mark 2 (or 3 or 4)?
spi...@freenet.co.uk
Universe_JDJ <unive...@gmail.com> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
> Alive in 4x11.
Ah, but is it weir, or repliweir?
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Ah, the Paclids. ;-)
James Gassaway
haven't changed that much.
Universe_JDJ
> In the sacred domain of alt.tv.stargate-atlantis,
> Universe_JDJ <unive...@gmail.com> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>> RepliWeir,
>>> Possibly dead. We'll find out soon. Perhaps.
>
>> Alive in 4x11.
>
> Ah, but is it weir, or repliweir?
True. Some form of her is alive though.
Zombie Elvis
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Um, can anyone tell me what is the point? What is the mission? What's the
>purpose of the Atlantis Expedition? Sure, they originally were trying to
>find Ancient technology, but currently they seem to be just targets, first
>of the Wraith then the Replicators. They've been in hiding, but it seems
>pert near half the (Pegasus) galaxy know they weren't destroyed. Of course
>considering when they do go on scouting missions they don't even bother to
>wear disguises but where their Atlantis outfits complete with logo. What's
>the overarching arc?
I'm about three episodes behind this season and I only saw about half
of last season's episodes so maybe I'm not the right person to comment
but it seems that there is no real mission except to keep the Ancient
technology from falling into Wraith or Replicator hands. I suppose it
would be simpler to have the entire expedition return to Earth via
either Daedalus or the Stargate and simply fly Atlantis into a star
and let it be destroyed. But that would be like Indiana Jones
destroying the Ark of the Covenant to keep it out of the hands of the
Nazis. So they stay and fight. In a perverse way it seems to mirror
the United States' inability to withdraw from countries like Japan and
Germany long after the military mission has ended -- so in that sense
it actually feels realistic.
--
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sucking chest wound, not a quick bandage job and a climactic
final confrontation with a criminal mastermind atop an unfinished
skyscraper."
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Roberto Castillo
roberto...@ameritech.net
Anim8rFSK
Zombie Elvis <DELETEMETOREPLY...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:25:56 -0600, "Ken from Chicago"
> <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Um, can anyone tell me what is the point? What is the mission? What's the
> >purpose of the Atlantis Expedition? Sure, they originally were trying to
> >find Ancient technology, but currently they seem to be just targets, first
> >of the Wraith then the Replicators. They've been in hiding, but it seems
> >pert near half the (Pegasus) galaxy know they weren't destroyed. Of course
> >considering when they do go on scouting missions they don't even bother to
> >wear disguises but where their Atlantis outfits complete with logo. What's
> >the overarching arc?
>
> I'm about three episodes behind this season and I only saw about half
> of last season's episodes so maybe I'm not the right person to comment
> but it seems that there is no real mission except to keep the Ancient
> technology from falling into Wraith or Replicator hands. I suppose it
> would be simpler to have the entire expedition return to Earth via
> either Daedalus or the Stargate and simply fly Atlantis into a star
> and let it be destroyed. But that would be like Indiana Jones
> destroying the Ark of the Covenant to keep it out of the hands of the
> Nazis. So they stay and fight. In a perverse way it seems to mirror
> the United States' inability to withdraw from countries like Japan and
> Germany long after the military mission has ended -- so in that sense
> it actually feels realistic.
The Replicators have all the Ancient tech they need. They inhabited
Atlantis for weeks (?) and have built duplicates of it and make their
own ZPMs and ships. About all they can't do is ascend.
All SGA has managed to do re the Wraiths is make them more of a threat.
--
Jitterbug phones:
Fourth one is in hand. Doesn't work. Yet. :(
a d a m
> In article <3au8o3tvchf7ljcqalersv71pm8mqee...@4ax.com>,
Why not?
>
> All SGA has managed to do re the Wraiths is make them more of a threat.
The Oma Desala should ascend one !
Merrick Baldelli
Well yes, you're quite right.. Roswell was sort of like that,
except that it had to do with just the government wanting them. I
think we need to expand it a little... You know, rehash it to the
point where we're beating a dead and rotting horse *AND* then let the
whole of the known Stargate Universe wanting to remove them from
existence, much in the same way that one's intestines jump out and
kill you when listening to Vogon Poetry.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
a d a m <shep...@yahoo.com> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
> The Oma Desala should ascend one !
Oma is previously engaged elsewhere.
Remember?
Besides, they're technological.
Ascension is a biological, evolutionary process. They might be incapable, no
matter how advanced their "brains" get.
--
| |What to do if you find yourself stuck in a crack|
| spi...@freenet.co.uk |in the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you|
| |can't move, with no hope of rescue. |
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| in |good to you so far... |
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Anim8rFSK
DEE
>
> > The Oma Desala should ascend one !
>
> Oma is previously engaged elsewhere.
> Remember?
The only episode I remember where she could conceivably be in some
sort of long lasting struggle would be with Anubis.I haven't seen all
of them, obviously.And if Anubis can ascend, etc.
>
> Besides, they're technological.
> Ascension is a biological, evolutionary process. They might be incapable, no
> matter how advanced their "brains" get.
I could argue that humans in that universe would need millions of
years to catch up with the replicators.Perhaps the vaunted biology
would never catch up.On a side note, the level of complexity of a
human form replicator likely would dwarf the complexity of a
ZPM .Maybe they should grow replicators to make ZPM's :-)
DEE
What is the necessary ingredient to ascend in that story?A desire and
the feeling of worthiness, if I recall correctly.Jewell Staite's
character seemed interested enough, and even took steps to defend
humans, on her own volition.Would it hinge on emotions or "feelings'
if she merely decided that was what she wanted?.I dont really know if
they are going to go down that road, but it was this episode that
stirred the interest.
he-dot.
> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>> "James Gassaway" <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in message
James, is that a good email address for you?
David V. Loewe, Jr
wrote:
>On Jan 7, 11:19 pm, The One True Roger <love2p...@gawab.com> wrote:
I don't recall Daniel having the Ancient gene.
>Jack, and John have the gene, Aiyana was
>found frozen here, from memory.
>To answer my own question, (and by Ancients I use the term for the
>ascended ones), probably the only way to fight would be to get them to
>fight each other(which is the basis for some fanfic I wrote).A single
>Ancient can control the weather.
--
"I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pedantic and that's just as good."
- D Gary Grady
DEE
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:18:48 -0800 (PST), a d a m <shepp...@yahoo.com>
>
> I don't recall Daniel having the Ancient gene.
>
Oops You are right, but I vaguely recall him mentioning it to Jack,
something along the lines that he was..Cant recall the episode.Getting
old !
Fritz Wuehler
>
> Besides, they're technological.
> Ascension is a biological, evolutionary process. They might be incapable, no
> matter how advanced their "brains" get.
We need 'Stargate Ascension', where Sam invents an ascension machine so
that anybody can be ascended; even your dog can be ascended.
Then the action can shift to Ascension City, where the ascended beings
fight off other, bad, ascended beings
Ken from Chicago
"Fritz Wuehler" <fr...@spamexpire-200801.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote
in message
news:a8c7cd92fa1fecb2...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
And they fight with Q-Continuum weapons?
-- Ken from Chicago
James Gassaway
Ken from Chicago
They just *look* that way to your primitive mind.
-- Ken from Chicago
Simmo
Your suggestions sound like STARGATE : BEATING A DEAD HORSE.
77ogrA
>
> I don't recall Daniel having the Ancient gene.
This transcript suggests that he does.Has it been stated for sure?
WEIR: We could be on our way to discovering an entirely new Ancient
civilisation. At the best case scenario, we meet actual Ancients who
are willing to help us, but if we don't ... (She trails off as she
realises that O'Neill isn't paying attention to her.) General, we need
him.
O'NEILL: Sorry, Doc. I need Daniel here.
WEIR: I'm talking about Major Sheppard.
O'NEILL: Oh. Don't you have a dozen or so people already who can use
the Ancient technology?
http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s1/transcripts/101.shtml
whodunit
gene...John was a 'natural', like Jack. I don't believe Daniel was
a 'natural' carrier either, although it is likely he would have been
inoculated as well, since he studies so much Ancient technology.
Leigh Claffey
Weir talking about Daniel: he speaks/reads/writes Ancient. We need him
as a first contact person.
(what Jack assumed she was talking about: he was zoning, as usual)
Weir talking about Sheppard: he has the strongest ATA gene. We need
Major Magic Butt.
See?
On the other hand, I'm not sure Daniel's been tested (even in
Antarctica), but I could be misremembering.
I suspect that even (having descended) should he have the ATA gene, it's
probably been suppressed by
'the others'. Both times. So anything short of a full DNA work up
looking for it, he would appear to not
have the gene.
He could have gone through the ATA therapy, but, considering everything
he's been through I'm not sure
it would have stuck (for the reasons mentioned above).
--Leigh
Pete B
love...@gawab.com says...
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:41:30 -0800 (PST), I found that a d a m
>
> >On Jan 7, 6:15 pm, The One True Roger <love2p...@gawab.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:25:34 -0800 (PST), I found that DJensen
> >> <i_m...@yahoo.ca> Scribbled the following on the bathroom wall:
> >>
> >> >Didn't SG1 start out all "protect the Earth" and turn into "purge the
> >> >galaxy of all threats to humans everywhere" too? I don't have a
> >> >problem with that.
> >>
> >> They basically HAD to change the premise, as everyone started going
> >> after the Earth.
> >>
> ><snip>
> >
> >Even so, the Ancients theoretically would go after Earth for changing
> >the fates of so many worlds.The Ori ascend so they can be
> >contained.Who knows if that was the entire plan with this ascension
> >business? :-)
>
>
> pulling this from somewhere would you?
He didn't say they had - learn to read.
Leigh Claffey
160Ps. 34:11. "Witnesses rise up."
161Lam. 3:30. "He giveth his cheek to him that smiteth him."
162Ps. 68:22. Dederunt in escam meam fel. "They gave me also gall for my
meat."
163Is. 49:6. "It is a light thing that thou shouldst be my servant," etc.
164Luke 2:32. "A light to lighten the Gentiles."
165Ps. 167:20. "He hath not dealt so with any nation."
166Matt. 26:27. "Drink ye all of it."
167Rom. 5:12. "for that all have sinned."
168Luke 12:32. "Fear not little flock."
169Phil. 2:12. "With fear and trembling."
170Mark 9:37. "Whosoever receiveth me, receiveth not me, but him that sent
me."
171Mark 13:32. "No one knows, neither the Son, but the Father."
172"Clouds shadowed over the light."
173Mark 1:5. "All the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all
baptized of him."
174Mark 4:12. "Lest they should be converted, and their sins should be
forgiven them."
[175]Matt. 26:50. "Friend, wherefore art thou come?"
[176]Ps. 2:1, 2. "Why do the heathen rage... and the rulers of the earth...
against the Lord."
177Is. 8:14. "For a sanctuary and for a rock of offence."
178John 3:2. "We know that thou art a teacher come from God; for no man can
do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."
[179]John. 15:24 "If I had not done... they had not had sin."
[180]Matt. 12:25; Luke 11:17. "Every kingdom divided against itself."
181Luke 11:20. "If with the finger of God... the kingdom of God is come upon
you."
[182]St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica.
183"But though he had done so ma
whodunit
that, so far as I can judge, it appears to have been at the rate at
least of four persons in a day; or near thirty in a week, take one with
another, for five or six weeks together. When God in so remarkable a
manner took the work into His own hands, there was as much done in a day
or two, as at ordinary times, with all endeavors that men can use, and
with such a blessing as we commonly have, is done in a year.
I am very sensible, how apt many would be, if they should see the
account I have here given, presently to think with themselves that I am
very fond of making a great many converts, and of magnifying the matter;
and to think that for want of judgment, I take every religious pang, and
enthusiastic conceit, for saving conversion. I do not much wonder if
they should be apt to think so; and, for this reason, I have forborne to
publish an account of this great work of God, though I have often been
solicited. But having now a special call to give an account of it, upon
mature consideration I thought it might not be beside my duty to declare
this amazing work, as it appeared to me to be indeed divine, and to
conceal no part of the glory of it; leaving it with God to take care of
the credit of His own work, and running the venture of any censorious
thoughts, which might be entertained of me to my disadvantage. That
distant persons may be under as great advantage as may be to judge for
themselves of this matter, I would be a little more large and
particular.
SECTION II. The Manner of Conversion Various, Yet Bearing a Great
Analogy.
I therefore proceed to give an account of the manner of persons being
wrought upon; and here there is a vast variety, perhaps as manifold as
the subjects of the operation; but yet in many things there is a great
analogy in all.-Persons are first awakened with a sense of their
miserable c
he-dot
tolerances in religion. Just as much as you dont like people talking as
if there isn't a God, there are others who don't want to be preached to,
even if they -do- believe and have faith.
whodunit
What are you referring to? [puzzled]
Carolyne "Yes, I've heard of ying and yang" in TX
he-dot
Was this your posting? If not, either my newsreader freaked out, or
someone spammed the list with your name/address...
whodunit
has been spammed horrifically in the past few weeks by some sort of
spam-bot that collects regular posters' names and puts up this kind of
crap. >:-(
No wonder I was puzzled--this isn't/wasn't from me. Not sure who's
spamming the group, or if it's across USENET, but it certainly is
annoying!! Sheesh, I can't even understand what the heck that post
was all about! Rubbish.
Carolyne in TX
whodunit
rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc! Don't know who's behind this, but
I hope there's a special place in hell for them, right next
to people who talk on cell phones in the theatre!
Beth Smarr
> Seems like the same spam-bots hit one of my other groups,
> rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc! Don't know who's behind this, but
> I hope there's a special place in hell for them, right next
> to people who talk on cell phones in the theatre!
>
> whodunit wrote:
>> That's a negative! I've seen this happen on my Doctor Who group, which
>> has been spammed horrifically in the past few weeks by some sort of
>> spam-bot that collects regular posters' names and puts up this kind of
>> crap. >:-(
>>
>> No wonder I was puzzled--this isn't/wasn't from me. Not sure who's
>> spamming the group, or if it's across USENET, but it certainly is
>> annoying!! Sheesh, I can't even understand what the heck that post
>> was all about! Rubbish.
>>
>> Carolyne in TX
And it has hit groups for both Stargates, SciFi Channel, Law & Order,
and Firefly.
--
********
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mailto:bsm...@access.k12.wv.us
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he-dot
> Seems like the same spam-bots hit one of my other groups,
> rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc! Don't know who's behind this, but
> I hope there's a special place in hell for them, right next
> to people who talk on cell phones in the theatre!
>> Carolyne in TX
yeah, who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of some people who claim
to be all-fired religious.
Removing ones freedoms is when you shove your own beliefs down someone
else's throat and say "you ever believe in what *I* believe in, or I'll
KILL you, in the name of (_insert_deity_)!".
Where, in -any- of the religious books (Bible, Torah, Koran, etc) does
it -ever- say that God/Allah/Buddha/whoever said it was 'ok' to kill in
their name?
Joetheone
"Beth Smarr" <beth....@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:GBdjj.13149$KU.10167@trnddc01...
> whodunit wrote:
>> Seems like the same spam-bots hit one of my other groups,
>> rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc! Don't know who's behind this, but
>> I hope there's a special place in hell for them, right next
>> to people who talk on cell phones in the theatre!
>>
>> whodunit wrote:
>>> That's a negative! I've seen this happen on my Doctor Who group, which
>>> has been spammed horrifically in the past few weeks by some sort of
>>> spam-bot that collects regular posters' names and puts up this kind of
>>> crap. >:-(
>>>
>>> No wonder I was puzzled--this isn't/wasn't from me. Not sure who's
>>> spamming the group, or if it's across USENET, but it certainly is
>>> annoying!! Sheesh, I can't even understand what the heck that post
>>> was all about! Rubbish.
>>>
>>> Carolyne in TX
>
> And it has hit groups for both Stargates, SciFi Channel, Law & Order, and
> Firefly.
> --
>
> ********
> Beth
Got me in a bunch of groups, most of which I'm not subscribed to. Got me
from a baseball group.
Tim Bruening
Fritz Wuehler wrote:
Would it look like the very boring Q town in Voyager: Death Wish?
Ken from Chicago
"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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Oh, snap! ROFL!
-- Ken from Chicago