Foster Contractor Branded Child With Potato Masher
Greegor
Woman accused of branding child with potato masher
KFOR BOBBIE MILLER REPORTING
MIDWEST CITY OKLAHOMA -- It's one of the worst cases of child abuse
Midwest City Police say they've ever seen. A foster mother accused of
branding a child all over his body.
Chief Brandon Clabes, Midwest City Police Department, said "You know
how painful it is when you just get a minor burn. Can you imagine this
poor, little 9 year old being repeatedly branded by a woman who's
supposed to be taking care of him & loving him?"
Midwest City Police say the 9-year-old boy suffered 2nd and 3rd degree
burns from his foster mother as a punishment.
Clabes said, "The foster mother accused him of stealing money from
her. At that point she took this potato masher, heated it on the stove
to where it was red hot & branded him."
The boy told police he then went back to his bedroom, started crying
and then the 72-year-old foster mother Joycelyn Louis told him "I'm
not finished with you" and continued to burn him. She then allegedly
told him, if anybody asks, "say you were accidentally burned."
The foster mother refused to talk with police, but on the affidavit we
see she told a DHS worker, "the child would not listen so she she
heated the potato masher on the stove and pressed it lightly to his
skin on his arms."
The boy is in DHS custody. Police are waiting for a warrant for Louis'
arrest. We went to her house and family-owned business to talk to her,
but her family said she did not want to talk to us.
Copyright © 2009, KFOR-TV
Joycelyn Louis
http://lcoosdiner.food.officelive.com/default.aspx
mmrpurdue
> http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-news-childed-branded-story,0,5098...
Does this story upset you? Did your mommie burn you when you were bad
greg? It would explain so much.
rkb
> Does this story upset you?
Huh? What kind of question is that? The story would upset most
people, one would think.
Does the story fail to upset you?
mmrpurdue
Of course it upsets me.
greg loves to post this kind of thing only when foster parents are
involved. He hates foster parents because they are aligned in his mind
with DHS. He hates DHS because they removed his girlfriends little
girl from his grasp. He was forcing the naked, unrelated little girl
into cold showers to punish her for wetting accidents. The little girl
told a CPS investigator that he had been washing her privates with his
bare hands.
So you see, CPS took his little plaything away. Check out his posts
dating back to 2001.
mmrpurdue
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Date: 9 Nov 2003 16:28:57 -0800
Local: Sun, Nov 9 2003 7:28 pm
Subject: Re: Only COLD SHOWERS for kids in NJ. Hard to take when no
fat on body.
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On 9 Nov 2003 15:47:16 -0800, Gree...@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson)
wrote:
(.....)
You should have some sympathy for that, Greegor the Whore.
(......)
>> What are you talking about, Greg?
>Cold showers, Dan. You never gave me any benefit of doubt,
>but you sure are motivated to give these fosters the
>benefit of the doubt.
What in heaven's name are you talking about. You yourself revealed
your purpose in giving those cold showers to the child.
And have you forgotten the towel standby and the physically forcing
the child's head under the shower to get the shampoo out?
>> I gave YOU the "benefit."
>Yeah, I felt it. :)
No you didn't. You have an agenda that is so precious to you you feel
nothing but what suits you.
>> Can't you do anything but lie about the facts, Greg?
>Is this where you give me the benefit of doubt?
He already did, long ago.
>> > After they ripped me for fast cold
>> > ones just to rinse off pee?
>> That's not true, Greg, and you know it.
>Yes it is.
Then why did you post that you used the cold shower as punishment?
>Motivationally no, but procedurally yes.
Yet soon you are going to try and defend the proceedure as it relates
to the CPS case against the mother, right?
>Procedurally, the length of time was dictated
>to be minimal, JUST to rinse off pee.
It doesn't matter what you say now, Greg. You already admitted that
you did it to punish her. The fact that it also happened to rinse her
isn't very relevant to the issue.
>"Just to rinse off pee" refers to the amount
>of time and exposure to cold, an important
>factor don't you think?
Did you make her take a shower "just," that is 'only,' to rinse off
the pee?
>> You claimed you forced an unrelated little girl
>> to take cold showers as punishment.
>Loco Parentis is law and trumps "unrelated", Dan.
It does? How so?
The schools are by law in loco parentis (it, In Loco Parentis isn't a
law at all numbbutt...it means "place of the parent") of the child.
Would that give the school the right to make her strip naked and take
a cold shower under the eye of or administered by a man not her
father?
As a punishment they couldn't even get away with it using a women
attendant. Only to clean the child.
>Keep ON harping on the "unrelated" part, it shows
>that you don't know the law. Your problem not mine.
Show us in law where being in loco parentis to the girl gives you the
right to make her strip naked and to punish her.
>Is this where you gave me benefit of doubt?
Until you admitted to these things yourself.
>> Not "just to rinse off pee."
>Well, I admit that we switched from nice
>warm happy showers to fast cold ones after
>the warm showers promoted MORE daytime peeing.
>Warm showers were positively encouraging this
>negative behavior.
Really? Just how happy were these warm showers?
I've run across nothing you've posted about the little girl that
would
leave me to believe or even speculate that she was mentally
developmentally delayed or disabled. Normal six or seven year old
children don't want to pee themselves. It's usually caused by
something else.
And in your case YOU I'd bet. The girl will be back to visit you one
day, Greegor. I hope for your sake you either take up martial arts
and
carry a weapon, or you get your miserable butt out of there before
she's old enough to take care of you where her g'father failed.
>However, the showers also switched to a two
>part arrangement. Cold shower JUST to rinse off
>pee, and then her mother shampooed her hair with
>a warm shower shower.
I seem to recall you admiting that once you were the master of
shampoo
for the girl.
>From a procedural and
>time involved standpoint, "JUST" is correct,
>but we never denied the aversive intent.
I love it when cruel adults start using sly weasel words. Aversive
for
instance. You mean pain and or humiliation, don't you?
>The kid was NOT made to take a full blown
>shower in cold water.
Weasel.
>Particularly because
>hair washing doesn't work so well that way.
One doesn't have to wash their hair to shower, full blown.
>Warm hair wash also warmed up the child after
>the momentary discomfort from washing off pee.
This is suddenly, after what, a couple of years, starting to become a
much more involved explanation. Why now and not back when the
question
was first discussed and YOU posted your reasons then...different than
now.
What has changed?
>Message was clear: Don't CHOOSE to pee yourself.
You really believe she "CHOOSE" to pee herself and was not motivated
by what was happening in her life at home?
>And while in hindsight we would not do this
>again,
Well, best not to talk about it anyway...and you WOULD have the
problem she might tell someone...oh, sorry...she did didn't she?
we feel vindicated in that IT WORKED.
You mean she got older and had better bladder control. Every child,
with extremely rare exceptions, outgrows wetting. They even do it
when
there are emotional causes, even fear. Just takes some time.
>How can you argue with EFFECTIVENESS?
What's to argue?
What makes you think your method was the cause of the end of her
wetting herself?
Just because you wish to delude yourself doesn't mean we have to
accept it.
>The effectiveness also disproves much of the
>other chattering conjecture about the nature
>of the problem.
Really? There couldn't have been a psychological cause? You perhaps,
usurping her space and her mother's time and attention?
You bossing her around? YOU standing by as towelboy?
>As any parent dealing with
>a childs wetting problems can tell you, finding
>an effective solution can be extremely difficult
>and expensive.
Actually it isn't all that tough. One needs to first accept that
issues neither the child or the parent really controls may well be at
work.
Being matter of fact about it usually brings about a cure much faster
than getting all upset and punishing. The child doesn't like being
wet
and smelly, unless they are mentally ill, and will work toward
controlling it if they can.
The most common cure for children wetting is simply growing a bit
older.
>But you have blended and confused details
>of this over and over, to suit your needs
>for propaganda.
You have have had years or more of opportunity to clarify. You have
not done so until now.
Have you finally figured out a story that you think sounds plausible?
I notice you still are defending punishment for wetting though. Just
how stupid are you?
>This was a problem that had been completely
>SOLVED and was in the PAST, several weeks before
>the physical child removal.
You may have thought it solved. The g'father apparently had some
concerns and CPS had some concerns that you might find yet other
reasons to enter the bathroom with the naked little girl.
>It had long since
>ceased to be an issue of ANY consequence, except
>that caseworkers had stepped in doo doo
What dirt and doo doo was that?
I have the funniest feeling you haven't shared some things with us,
yet you cry to be believed about CPS. Most of us are relieved that
they intervened.
Finally, CPS does something right.
>and were
>climbing the walls to come up with some dirt.
Looks a whole lot more like they found out about your water sports
activity with the child, and felt that there was some risk to the
child. Punishment freaks can go just about anywhere their strange
little minds wish to take them.
>CPS musta known that is wasn't a psych problem
>also,
Psych problems can be overcome by children. They do it all the time,
without a single bit of help other than just having caring and
attentive parents. They may have given you the benefit of the doubt
you are whining about.
>as they NEVER suggested any psych help
>or psych investigation with the child.
Of course, because they know what I and millions of other people
know...you can't punish a child out of wetting themselves. They
outgrow it or are given adequate supports to overcome it, either
medically, if that is the problem, or psychologically if that is.
>If they truly thought that it was a medical or
>psych problem rather than as WE explained it,
>they would have gotten her to a psych right?
The problem was over, was it not? Why would they then decide to
reopen
it with a psych eval? But then we don't really know, and I suspect
YOU
might not be privy, to whether or not she actually had one. The
mother
may have been warned NOT to discuss this with her nutcase boyfriend
cum fiance.
>> > There was no CALORIE shortage goin on
>> > in our house! :)
>> How much food did YOU buy every month
>> with your "pin money?"
>Best estimate was take was 480/month,
>gas couldn't possibly have been 80/Month.
>400 a month toward groceries ESTIMATE.
>Why?
Is that the total you earned with cans and bottles or the amount
spent
on food? What else didn't you pay for to have that much for food?
>> Or are you referring to the food that the
>> little girl's mother bought with
>> her earnings?
>That mostly went to rent and utilities.
Why don't you just get a job? Most would pay considerably more than
collecting bottles and cans for deposit or recycle.
You could actually call yourself a man.
Now wouldn't that be a pleasant change?
Kane
Greegor
rkb > Huh? What kind of question is that? The story would
rkb > upset most people, one would think.
rkb > Does the story fail to upset you?
mmr > Of course it upsets me.
mmr > greg loves to post this kind of thing only when foster parents
are
mmr > involved. He hates foster parents because they are aligned in
his mind
mmr > with DHS. He hates DHS because they removed his girlfriends
little
mmr > girl from his grasp. He was forcing the naked, unrelated little
girl
mmr > into cold showers to punish her for wetting accidents. The
little girl
mmr > told a CPS investigator that he had been washing her privates
with his
mmr > bare hands.
mmr > So you see, CPS took his little plaything away. Check out his
posts
mmr > dating back to 2001.
It's just bullshit and sour grapes from a loser.
Notice how this person took their grudge
into a thread about a news story.
mmrpurdue
Your own words are bullshit?
Why would I be experiencing "sour grapes"?
It is you that has been exposed, not I.
greg, most people detest child abusers. Get out or get use to it.
KL
>
>
>> Particularly because
>> hair washing doesn't work so well that way.
>
>
> One doesn't have to wash their hair to shower, full blown.
>
>
>> Warm hair wash also warmed up the child after
>> the momentary discomfort from washing off pee.
>
You forgot to mention that cold water has NO bearing on the
effectiveness of shampooing your hair. And as a matter of fact a cold
rinse is recommended by some! What do you think people did/do when they
don't have hot water??
This Greegor is an idiot, no doubt...
Still doesn't negate that the foster mother in this original story in
this thread did a horrific act.
Greegor
> On Jul 31, 3:47 pm, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > mmr > Does this story upset you?
>
> > rkb > Huh? What kind of question is that? The story would
> > rkb > upset most people, one would think.
>
> > rkb > Does the story fail to upset you?
>
> > mmr > Of course it upsets me.
> > mmr > greg loves to post this kind of thing only when foster parents
> > are
> > mmr > involved. He hates foster parents because they are aligned in
> > his mind
> > mmr > with DHS. He hates DHS because they removed his girlfriends
> > little
> > mmr > girl from his grasp. He was forcing the naked, unrelated little
> > girl
> > mmr > into cold showers to punish her for wetting accidents. The
> > little girl
> > mmr > told a CPS investigator that he had been washing her privates
> > with his
> > mmr > bare hands.
> > mmr > So you see, CPS took his little plaything away. Check out his
> > posts
> > mmr > dating back to 2001.
G > It's just bullshit and sour grapes from a loser.
G >
G > Notice how this person took their grudge
G > into a thread about a news story.
mmr > Your own words are bullshit?
Attempts by you and the hyena pack to
twist what I said.
mmr > Why would I be experiencing "sour grapes"?
Because you got so thoroughly and correctly ID'd
that you have to hide behind multiple sock identities.
mmr > It is you that has been exposed, not I.
Sure Kent.
mmr > greg, most people detest child abusers. Get out or get use to
it.
Kent, Most people detest multiple Felon Garage Burglars too.
The difference is that you really ARE a multiple Felon Garage Burglar.
The court records show what a weaselly moron you are, Kent.
IN PRINTED LAW BOOKS
West's North Western Reporter
Second Series
A Unit of the National Reporter System
Volume 696 N.W.2d
Cite as 696 N.W.2d 20 (Iowa 2005)
Kent's Appeal
http://www.judicial.state.ia.us/Supreme_Court/Recent_Opinions/20050506/04-0202.asp?Printable=true
mmrpurdue
> mmrpurdue wrote:
>
> >> Particularly because
> >> hair washing doesn't work so well that way.
>
> > One doesn't have to wash their hair to shower, full blown.
>
> >> Warm hair wash also warmed up the child after
> >> the momentary discomfort from washing off pee.
>
> You forgot to mention that cold water has NO bearing on the
> effectiveness of shampooing your hair. And as a matter of fact a cold
> rinse is recommended by some! What do you think people did/do when they
> don't have hot water??
Stupid argument.
> This Greegor is an idiot, no doubt...
>
> Still doesn't negate that the foster mother in this original story in
> this thread did a horrific act.
No, I agree. Anyone harming a child should be punished. This old lady
should be drawn and quartered.
mmrpurdue
>
> - Show quoted text -
I am not Kent.
Dan Sullivan
> On Jul 31, 9:46 pm, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I am not Kent.
In grag's mind, your denial is proof you are Kent.
Next grag will be claiming that someone is sending him reports about
the age of your children.
whitevamp
I have a real good idea who he is and he's not Kent. Kent doesn't
have the same word style that purdue has.
Moe
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Greegor
mmrpurdue
Hanson
says...
>My family is in week 8 of DHS/CPS hell right now in Iowa.
>Obsessive maternal grandmother left her phone number with senile old man
>across the
>road from us to watch us. Old man is known to be a neighborhood grouch and
>has
>yelled across the road at us many times over the last two years. Grouchy
>neighbor
>mouths off at us, then calls the grandma, who incites grandfather to come
>over here
>and whack me on the side of the head and force his way in. (vigilante' act)
>They called the police, and I called the police. (There are 911 tapes)
>Police interviewed 7 year old who denied she was abused. (accusation was
>false)
>Child was removed for clutter in our house and the accusation they already
>found
>out was false. Removed to the grandpa, who just committed a vigilante
>act of violence upon me, and grandma who doesn't take her Prozac, doesn't
>take her prescribed heart medicine, is diabetic and incontinent (wears
>depends).
>Perhaps it helps them that the senior Police officer is neighbor to
>grandparents.
>(We figured out Police mysteriously didn't report assault upon me.)
>One of the officers asked the grandma if she was on any medication "No"
>(lied)
>DHS found out right away that the neighbors accusation was false, and began
>emphasizing our clutter as a safety issue. We made the mistake of
>cooperating
>with DHS in good faith for two weeks, until we realized that they were not
>working in good faith with us. A third party agency social worker spent a
>week
>with us with the stated goal of safety, and the title of Family
>Preservation.
>The child would have to return within 7 days or this would be cancelled.
>This sounded great, except DHS had absolutely NO INTENTION of fulfilling
>their side of that bargain by sending the girl home. A plan we wrote up with
>that worker for resolving clutter issue was never answered by DHS. At the
>two week mark we realized their bad intentions and retracted information
>releases from
>and to all of the agencies and the childs school. (As yet untainted) We went
>to
>DHS to obtain our copy of the first document signed, and to request
>visitation. The rather bariatric supervisor took us into an office. We left
>a handwritten note requesting visitation. I asked why we were not given a
>copy of the first document automatically.
>The supervisor of the vacationing social worker said "Well, maybe she didn't
>have a copy." as she pulled out the form. I pointed out that it was a
>multipart carbonless form (visible) so she obviously DID have a copy! I
>asked her why she was "making excuses" for the vacationing social worker. I
>pointed out that we had cooperated
>with the DHS without a court order, and that we COULD HAVE taken the child
>home any time during the prior two weeks. This supervisor apparently lied
>and said
>that we INTENDED to take the child home. (Why turn in visit request then?)
>That Friday I got a call from DHS warning us not to exercise our legal right
>to go get
>the girl, that DHS was going to court on Monday and Police were directed by
>DHS to take the girl back to grandparents if we got her. (Absent a court
>order, promising one) I informed Kevin at DHS that The US Supreme Court had
>decided
>11 to 1 that DHS removal is in itself ABUSE, and so they need damned good
>reasons to remove a child. I pointed out that "clutter" just doesn't
>conform.
>I also informed Kevin that this was a pretty severe violation of our 14th
>amendment rights under the US constitution. I also informed Kevin that he
>was not immune to
>prosecution for this according to another US Supreme Court decision. I
>complained
>that I knew he would sneak into court to get the removal order without any
>rebuttal
>and asked if we could be present to rebut it. We spent half a day at the
>court house,
>and met the prosecuting attorney "I heard your house was a disaster area.".
>Try though we did, rebuttal at this point was not possible. DHS got removal
>of course.
>Our public pretender was appointed. Didn't subpoena anything, didn't motion
>for
>anything, didn't object to glaring improprieties, didn't fight anything,
>allowed them
>to do a sex-abuse exam for no other reason than a potty problem from the
>past and
>a proveable lie from DHS themselves. Girls mother was to go and hold her
>hand during the legalized groping. Instead DHS people did an "ambush
>interview" of the mother during the time of the physical exam, without
>attorney present. Photographed the 7 year old girls crotch and interviewed
>her on video tape. No physical evidence of sexual abuse. Later they still
>implied that I had washed her privates with my hands. The mother has had 2
>two hour supervised visits in 8 weeks. (requested at 2 week mark remember) I
>have had none, and I was supposed to get some visits after this sick sexual
>exam cleared me, which might explain why they are implying dirt.
>One interview with bad witness written up two substantially different ways.
>Child herself refuted bad witness' accusation.
>DHS caught in big lie to judge about their own past reports on me.
>DHS violated many of their own rules, if the foundational DHHS guide is even
>close.
> (1992 Child Protective Services: A guide for caseworkers (Panfilis/Salus)
> US HHS Contract HHS-105-88-1702 (NCCAN 800/FYI-3366)
> impartiality, respect for individuality, fairness, .....
>At 8 weeks and facing four or more weeks of this crap, we are filing for
>another
>public defender who will fight for us. In addition, we are exploring
>possibility
>of getting a Federal emergency order to enforce our 14th amendment rights as
>expressed in some US Supreme Court decisions. Having good lawsuits later
>is less important that getting our family back together now.
>Gree...@hotmail.com
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From: "Greg Hanson" <gree...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 06:34:05 GMT
Local: Sun, Apr 29 2001 1:34 am
Subject: abuse or discipline?
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After all of the witchhunt these last 11 weeks, here is the
meat of what we're accused of:
- Made 7 year old take fast cold shower as consequence for daytime
wetting
- Pushed head under shower spray
- Cluttered house
I could see these justifying parent counseling, but removal of child
for over 11 weeks seems extreme.
Have we come so far that a fast cold shower is viewed as sadism?
PS- Cold shower treatment was highly motivational and worked.
(Was not wetting because of bladder infection.)
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From: "Greg Hanson" <gree...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:47:30 GMT
Local: Sun, Apr 29 2001 10:47 pm
Subject: Re: abuse or discipline?
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Ric: I only partly understand your sarcasm in this response.
I suspect that if I really* let them know that other people are
considering this treatment, they will come after me more. :)
The baseball black eye analogy was sort of disturbing to me.
From one angle it could be construed as making fun of me, which
I can take. I am not so fragile. I can't even be sure about
whether or not you intended to make fun of me. I hope not.
I am not trying to explain away real abuse as sports injury.
(That's the uncertain hint that crossed my mind.)
The angle that seemed stronger and more likely intended was that
a kid needs to pay attention to both softball and bladder.
Failure in either arena results in problems.
So your recommending that I tease them for their 11 week "solution"?
I confess that I feel foolish and naive about how a quick cold shower
becomes sadistic. I've taken many cold showers in my life.
I never felt they were sadistic. Should I see them that way?
Admittedly confused, Greg
Greegor
DS > him reports about the age of your children.
Dan means adult children, like KLS, the victim of Dan's Puppet Bear
condom.
Dan himself posted her statements about the Puppet Bear.
Daniel J. Sullivan III (61), KLS (25) and SMS (60) all live in
Patchogue, NY.
Dan claimed KLS was 3 when she made the Puppet Bear statements.
Feb 2002 "My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 "My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 "My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
Greegor
DS > him reports about the age of your children.
Dan referred to children but he's talking about
his ADULT DAUGHTER, KLS, who as a child
was the victim of Dan's Puppet Bear condom.
Dan himself posted her statements several times.
Greegor
You posted it only to ascps, and Ken's usenet provider doesn't carry
it.
By the way, I've been asking Dan a question for awhile.
Daniel J Sullivan III AKA Puppet Bear refers to kids but means his
ADULT DAUGHTER
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.thebird.copwatch/msg/baf306e8b2a7716b
DS > Next grag will be claiming that someone is sending
DS > him reports about the age of your children.
Dan referred to children but he's talking about
his ADULT DAUGHTER, KLS, who as a child
was the victim of Dan's Puppet Bear condom.
Dan himself posted her statements several times.
Daniel J. Sullivan III (61), KLS (25) and SMS (60)
all live in Patchogue, NY. Dan claimed KLS was
3 when she made the Puppet Bear statements.
So, WHAT YEAR was KLS 3 years old?
And WHAT YEAR did Dan claim she was 3 years old?
krp
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> KBW > why are you running from this question?
> You posted it only to ascps, and Ken's usenet provider doesn't carry
> it.
That's the GAME these LOSERS play. Post it in a newsgroup I can't read
and then LOUDLY PROCLAIM that I am afraid of their questions and proclaim
themselves as having won a GREAT victory. They are AFRAID to post their
bullshit where I CAN respond to it.
Dan Sullivan
> "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:92158383-fd3e-44dd...@k30g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > KBW > why are you running from this question?
> > You posted it only to ascps, and Ken's usenet provider doesn't carry
> > it.
>
> That's the GAME these LOSERS play. Post it in a newsgroup I can't read
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3. Turn left at Madison St
0.2 mi
4. Turn left at FL-54/State Rd 54
0.4 mi
5. Continue straight to stay on FL-54/State Rd 54
469 ft
6. Turn right at Grand Blvd
2.4 mi
7. Turn right at Main St
Destination will be on the left
That should shut you up, kenny boy.
Greegor
under the supervision of a licensed psychologist, but if the
psychologist wasn't there or was out of state, he has a lot of
explaining to do.
1 Dan Sullivan Jul 13
Oh look, the shit stain in ken briefs speaks.
2 mmrpurdue Jul 13
Re: KOOK OUT
3 whitevamp Jul 13
Re: ken pangborn can CLAIM the psychological tests he administered
were under the supervision of a licensed psychologist, but if the
psychologist wasn't there or was out of state, he has a lot of
explaining to do.
4 Dan Sullivan Jul 13
5 Dan Sullivan Jul 14
6 Dan Sullivan Jul 15
7 Dan Sullivan Jul 19
8 Dan Sullivan Aug 3
Dan kept this up in ascps only, knowing full well that Ken
has a usenet provider that does not carry ascps.
Grow some nuts, Dan!
Also:
Why don't you answer the below questions, Dan?
You brought it up!
Dan Sullivan
> ken pangborn can CLAIM the psychological tests he administered were
> under the supervision of a licensed psychologist, but if the
> psychologist wasn't there or was out of state, he has a lot of
> explaining to do.
> 1 Dan Sullivan Jul 13
> Oh look, the shit stain in ken briefs speaks.
> 2 mmrpurdue Jul 13
> Re: KOOK OUT
> 3 whitevamp Jul 13
> Re: ken pangborn can CLAIM the psychological tests he administered
> were under the supervision of a licensed psychologist, but if the
> psychologist wasn't there or was out of state, he has a lot of
> explaining to do.
> 4 Dan Sullivan Jul 13
> 5 Dan Sullivan Jul 14
> 6 Dan Sullivan Jul 15
> 7 Dan Sullivan Jul 19
> 8 Dan Sullivan Aug 3
>
> Dan kept this up in ascps only, knowing full well that Ken
> has a usenet provider that does not carry ascps.
My posts aren't for ken to read.
However if he does want to read asCPS he can go to his local library.
It's 8 minutes away from his house.
Phantom Phreak
> KBW > why are you running from this question?
>
> You posted it only to ascps, and Ken's usenet provider doesn't carry
> it.
What makes you lie when you know your lies will be exposed?
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The bit you quote did not come from Kent. Since you think everyone is
Kent, you of course claimed it was him. Since it's another of your lies,
you can't offer any proof.
Here's PROOF that you are LYING about the author.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/65a682391cb1fe40
Here's the entire thread. Ken is not a part of it, so his being able to
read the question doesn't matter. The question, as can be seen in the
tread, was dirrected at you, not Ken. Has your drug use made you think you
are Ken?
Why did you lie about this?
And you claim Kent lives in Arkansas. Since the person you are lying and
claiming is Kent has an IP address showing he or she is in Iowa, you either
lied about Kent living in Arkansas, or are lying about Kent living in Iowa.
Are you going to be brave enough to admit which one your drug use caused you
to lie about?
>
> By the way, I've been asking Dan a question for awhile.
>
>
So? What does that have to do with your lie about who authored the question
and to whom the question was asked?
Phantom Phreak
"krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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You are not Greg, you fat twit.
Greg was asked the question, not you. Greg lied, as he always does.
You, being the stupid slob you are, fell for it.
Greegor
The states don't even know where this burned kid came from!
http://www.news9.com/Global/story.asp?S=10927546
State Records Conflict Claims of Woman Accused of Burning Child With
Potato Masher
Posted: Aug 13, 2009 5:36 PM CDT Updated: Aug 14, 2009 11:33 AM CDT
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The 9-year-old boy sustained multiple second and third-degree burns
on his arm and leg that look like this.By Rusty Surette, NEWS 9
MIDWEST CITY, Oklahoma -- Authorities are unclear who placed a boy in
the custody of a foster mother who is accused of abusing the child
with a heated potato masher.
An arrest warrant was issued for Joycelyn S. Louis after police say
she burned the child with a heated potato masher several times. The
foster child was diagnosed with multiple second and third-degree burns
on his arm and leg.
"She would heat it up on the oven and touch it on his skin as
punishment," Midwest City police Major Sid Porter said.
Louis told her attorney, Gary Higginbotham, that she's cared for the
boy since he was an infant. Earlier this month, Higginbotham said his
client has more than 30 years of experience with foster children and
has cared for more than 100 children.
Records with the California Department of Social Services prove
otherwise. According to the department's spokeswoman, Louis was only
licensed as a foster parent between April 2000 and March 2006 and
fostered 38 children.
Louis' attorney also said it was his understanding the child was born
in California and Louis started caring for the child through the
California foster system.
However, the California Department of Social Services says Louis
surrendered her license to care for foster children when she moved to
Oklahoma in March 2006.
During that time, Louis received one complaint from the state for not
reporting a child's injury in a timely manner. It was an injury that
was not Louis' fault, according to the state of California.
"When she left she didn't take anybody with her," said Lizelda Lopez,
a spokeswoman for the California Department of Social Services.
Lopez says its possible Louis fostered the child here in Oklahoma, but
according to the Oklahoma Department of Human Services, that's not the
case.
"She's not authorized to be a foster parent here in Oklahoma", said
DHS Spokeswoman Lauri Monetti.
Higginbotham says while Louis may have only been a legal foster parent
for six years, it's still factual that she cared for kids, other than
hers, for more than three decades.
"She was the go-to person for family, friends and neighbors", said
Higginbotham. "In California, she was known as 'mama-Louis'. She has a
long history of caring for her children and the children of others."
While it's unclear who placed the boy in Louis' custody, police in
Midwest City say he's in protective custody now.
Higginbotham says Louis is currently receiving medical treatment at an
undisclosed facility. Midwest City police say when she's released
they'll take her into custody.
Greegor
Soon Dan can be as popular as you!
LOL
Kent Wills
wrote:
>Help him out, Kent!
You already made it clear you knew and know I wasn't the one
posting with the nyms from the movie "Hackers."
Add that the post to which you are replying is from 8/6/2009 and
you further enforce the truth that your admitted use and abuse of
illegal drugs has made you mentally retarded.
>Soon Dan can be as popular as you!
Just because you can't go a day without posting to/about me
(unless you don't post at all) doesn't mean I'm actually popular. It
only means the use and abuse of illegal drugs you've admitted has you
really screwed up.
Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
(DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT
"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead
"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
-- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.04011...@posting.google.com>
" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson
Greegor
G > Soon Dan can be as popular as you!
Anonymous Remailer (austria)
In article <793bd4137fba03c5...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
Fritz Wuehler <fr...@spamexpire-200910.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Greegor <gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >G > Help him out, Kent!
> >G > Soon Dan can be as popular as you!
>
Amen to that!
krp
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message news:8a50b9795f85b8ff...@remailer.privacy.at...
How about YOU keep YOUR shit out of our newsgroups? Leash your dog and
nobody will bother you in your little playpen. Deal?
Super
Greegor
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case 64D 060706FD 4989 Monday June 4th 2007
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pretrial February 8th 8:30 hearing on March 12th 1PM
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WHO are you? Some gutless wonder
hiding behind an anonymous remailer?
So what?
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, krp <kr...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>"Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmas...@remailer.privacy.at> wrote in
>message news:8a50b9795f85b8ff...@remailer.privacy.at...
>>
>> In article <793bd4137fba03c58e2ba8113ffaf...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
>> Fritz Wuehler <fr...@spamexpire-200910.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >G > Help him out, Kent!
>>> >G > Soon Dan can be as popular as you!
>>>
>>> Would you please keep your crap out of alt.privacy.anon-server?
>>
>> Amen to that!
>
>
>How about YOU keep YOUR shit out of our newsgroups? Leash your dog and
>nobody will bother you in your little playpen. Deal?
I, for one, have never posted in any of "your" newsgroups. I don't
suspect
that any other apas regulars have either, other than in response to
threads
you've crossposted here.
womanGoddess
> "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmas...@remailer.privacy.at> wrote in
> messagenews:8a50b9795f85b8ff...@remailer.privacy.at...
>
>
>
> > In article <793bd4137fba03c58e2ba8113ffaf...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >G > Help him out, Kent!
> >> >G > Soon Dan can be as popular as you!
>
> >> Would you please keep your crap out of alt.privacy.anon-server?
>
> > Amen to that!
>
> How about YOU keep YOUR shit out of our newsgroups? Leash your dog and
> nobody will bother you in your little playpen. Deal?
Kennie and his doggie greg are in the mood to stir up crap, so
naturally they crosspost to other newsgroups that have nothing to do
with the subject at hand.
Its a sort of mental sickness with them, I suppose. Kennie just
changed ISP servers and Greg does what Kennie tells him. Frankly I
think both are cowardly bullies and best ignored.
krp
"Super" <super.com...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:701a72db62b3d831...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
I am certain that if you can control the asshole, NOBODY from these
newsgroups will ever bother you again.
krp
> suspect
> that any other apas regulars have either, other than in response to
> threads
> you've crossposted here.
Just your DAVID MOORE who harasses everyone.
Greegor
Moe > Kennie and his doggie greg are in the mood
Moe > to stir up crap, so naturally they crosspost
Moe > to other newsgroups that have nothing to
Moe > do with the subject at hand.
Moe >
Moe > Its a sort of mental sickness with them,
Moe > I suppose. Kennie just changed ISP
Moe > servers and Greg does what Kennie
Moe > tells him. Frankly I think both are
Moe > cowardly bullies and best ignored.
Maureen,
How many people have you stalked and
harassed on the internet?
You stalked and harassed Glen for TEN YEARS,
and recently claimed that Glen was arrested and
you even posted what you represented as proof,
but your link to a news story did not name names.
I have asked you to name the other people you
have stalked and harassed on the internet,
including all of the harassment you instigated
using other people and anonymous remailer
posting. Why didn't you answer? Why are
you so afraid of naming your other targets?
This pretense that you are an innocent victim is cute.
Greegor
KRP > a-hole, NOBODY from these newsgroups
KRP > will ever bother you again.
A > Remailer operators don't "control" the people who use their
services. If
A > the remailer is being run properly, it's impossible for the
operator to
A > know who is accessing the remailer, or from where.
A >
A > APAS is for technical aspects of running a remailer. Do you have
anything
A > to discuss in that regard?
Technical aspects? You're joking, right?
I invite everybody to go to alt.privacy.anon-server
for a good laugh about these ""technical aspects"".
""Our"" Davey ""also"" made claims about the
"remop community" months ago.
The wider world learned about Mr. Johnson's
legal pickle and how one remop named eelbash
was harassed extensively by Dave and the greater
"remop community" for refusing to aid and abet
criminal actions using anonymous remailers.
mixmaster at remailer.privacy.at
Are you actually a REMOP or are you
just ""Our"" Davey pretending to be a
remailer operator himself?
When Davey and others harassed eelbash,
did you support or encourage that activity?
Did you honestly think you could run anonymous
remailers and not expect a lot of attention and
scrutiny for the abuse and criminal uses of the service?
You're not really in Austria, are you? LOL
Whether you're a remop or not, ""Our"" Davey
sure is likely to bring "the remop community"
some unwanted attention!
Various ""Anonymous"" threats and forgeries
threatening firearms violence, taking false credit
for the downing of a French airliner, and apparent
solicitation to rape might make things a bit
difficult for the "remop community".
Wouldn't you say?
Anonymous
Greegor <gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
Flush troll post.
Greegor
Which anonymous remailer operators are known by their
real name? (Aside from the one in Johnson's legal papers)?
Are you pretending that remops sit around exchanging
copies of their drivers licenses or something?
I'd like to see that list! Is eelbash still on it?
The exhibits from Johnson's computer in the law suit
looked like it was all aliases, not real names.
A > It's possible that there is someone by that name
A > who uses remailers. That doesn't mean that the
A > remailer operators endorse anything he might
A > do....any more than every Road Runner user
A > shares liability for what you might post.
>
A > APAS [ alt.privacy.anon-server ] is a group
A > centered around the technical aspects of
A > operating a remailer. If you feel someone
A > is abusing you via a remailer, the first step
A > would be to contact the administrator of that
A > particular remailer PRIVATELY. We can
A > block your e-mail address so that you can
A > no longer receive e-mails
Who the F is talking about e-mails?
While I'm sure a lot of criminal crap
is done using e-mail alone, this particular
complaint is about remailers used
to conceal the identity of people posting
Felonious crap publicly into usenet.
A > from that particular remailer. If your
A > problem is with someone on a
A > usenet group, you should be able
A > to use your news reader's kill file feature.
That's not a solution and you know it.
Forgeries falsely claiming somebody's family
is responsible for the downing of an airliner
or solicitation of rape or murder do not
simply go away if filtered out.
NN > You're wasting your time. Krp is a
NN > notorious net kook, and has used
NN > remailers himself to abuse in the past.
You lied. Your ""proof"" overlooks that
Ken does not run linux. Also, logically,
you would have no ""proof"" except what
Davey tried to concoct.
NN > He comes in here every few months
NN > or so to pick a fight. Maybe 10 years
NN > ago, he was here calling for the
NN > abolishment of [ anonymous ] remailers
Before September 11, 2001, you mean?
NN > He has a decade long vendetta against
NN > this "Moore" guy who may
As if you don't know full well he is? Arsehole.
NN > also be using remailers. Krp's beef was
NN > that the remops refused to shut Moore's
NN > access off, not understanding that what
NN > he asked was impossible.
The biggest problem is that Dave is the DARLING
of the remop community, a useful tool when
the community needed to punish eelbash for
refusing to aid and abet serious criminal activity.
Asking the remop community to stop Dave
was like asking somebody to cut off their own hand.
NN > In this ten years, he's never bothered to
NN > place the "Moore" guy on ignore.
NN > This leads to the logical conclusion that he enjoys this shit.
Dave runs a hate ken web site based in NEW ZEALAND
because it got kicked off a long list of US hosts.
Is "the remop community" an organized
criminal activity or a hobby community?
If I was a member of the remop community,
I would be irate at Dave for bringing shame
to the hobby and even more attention from
law enforcement.
Your loyalty among thieves might buy you
all more trouble than you think.
You sure found a way to harass eelbash
USING your little hitman, so are you
just too gutless to CURB YOUR OWN DOG?
After the airline crash BS, rape solicitation
and gun threats, "the remop community"
could do itself a big favor by turning in
David Moore to the authorities.
Or is it possible that the hit man for the
remop community is just too dangerous
to turn in because he knows where all
of the [ remop ] bodies are buried, so to say?
Take a break from helping Al Quaeda &
child porn freaks to escape detection
just long enough to rat out Dave Moore!
Or you know Dave might eventually bring
you the attention you so richly deserve..
Kent Wills
(austria)" <mixm...@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:
>
>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, krp <kr...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>Remailer operators don't "control" the people who use their services. If
>the remailer is being run properly, it's impossible for the operator to
>know who is accessing the remailer, or from where.
>
>APAS is for technical aspects of running a remailer. Do you have anything
>to discuss in that regard?
He doesn't. Pangborn's sole goal is to disrupt various news
groups.
"(CONTEXT REMOVED AS TO THE BELOW CLAIM)"
Kenneth Robert Pangborn admitting he alters the context of posts
when he replies.
MID FyUom.1363$Jd7....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net
Kent Wills
>There is, as far as I know, no remailer operator by that name.
>
David uses a remailer, he doesn't operate one.
Sadly, Pangborn is unable to tell the difference.
>It's possible that there is someone by that name who uses remailers. That
>doesn't mean that the remailer operators endorse anything he might
>do....any more than every Road Runner user shares liability for what you
>might post.
>
>APAS is a group centered around the technical aspects of operating a
>remailer. If you feel someone is abusing you via a remailer, the first
>step would be to contact the administrator of that particular remailer
>PRIVATELY. We can block your e-mail address so that you can no longer
>receive e-mails from that particular remailer. If your problem is with
>someone on a usenet group, you should be able to use your news reader's
>kill file feature.
Actually, Ken can't. He's never been able to figure out how to
use it.
On two occasions he's claimed to have kill filed me, yet was able
to reply to my posts directly several times.
"you are reading Moore's SELECTIVE material that is HIGHLY edited."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn claiming in misc.legal that David Moore can
and does edit Google's Usenet archive.
Message-ID: <n9Sfm.1372$nh2...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>
Kent Wills
(austria)" <mixm...@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:
>
>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Greegor <gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>KRP > I am certain that if you can control the
>>KRP > a-hole, NOBODY from these newsgroups
>>KRP > will ever bother you again.
>>
>>A > Remailer operators don't "control" the people who use their
>>services. =A0If
>>A > the remailer is being run properly, it's impossible for the
>>operator to
>>A > know who is accessing the remailer, or from where.
>>A >
>>A > APAS is for technical aspects of running a remailer. Do you have
>>anything
>>A > to discuss in that regard?
>>
>>Technical aspects? You're joking, right?
>
>No.
>
>>
>>I invite everybody to go to alt.privacy.anon-server
>>for a good laugh about these ""technical aspects"".
>>
>>""Our"" Davey ""also"" made claims about the
>>"remop community" months ago.
>
>So?
Ask Greg to link to these phantom claims.
He won't do so, since there has never been any posts from David
containing what Greg claims.
>>legal pickle and how one remop named eelbash
>>was harassed extensively by Dave and the greater
>>"remop community" for refusing to aid and abet
>>criminal actions using anonymous remailers.
>
>>The wider world learned about Mr. Johnson's
>
>I don't know "Dave" or "Mr. Johnson" and haven't heard them mentioned in
>apas though. Why do you feel so compelled to drag your flames in here?
Greg is mentally retarded. He honestly can't understand how it's
not normal to do such.
Greg will, in all probability, post vast information that he
claims is about me because he honestly believes everyone with the same
first and last name are all the same person. Even when one is a
Usenet nym, as is the case with me.
He believes, with every fiber of his being, that I live in
several different U. S. states, and one place in Canada, all at the
same time. He's claimed on three occasions to have PROVED I live in
specific locations by use of the phone book.
Yes, Greg really is mentally retarded and honestly can't see the
flaws in his claims. I don't mean that as an insult, though it may
come across as such. I'm simply stating as well established fact.
>
>If "eelbash" is your witness, you're probably in trouble. That particular
>remop was under a lot of scrutiny for unethical practices in the way he ran
>his remailer, including logging activity and monitoring/filtering content.
>
>
>>
>>mixmaster at remailer.privacy.at
>>
>>Are you actually a REMOP or are you
>>just ""Our"" Davey pretending to be a
>>remailer operator himself?
>
>I have been a remop and a remailer user. No my name isn't Davey and I
>don't know him.
Pangborn will claim you are, and Greg will follow suit. In Ken's
mind, *everyone* who uses a remailer is David, and, well, Greg just
follows what Ken claims.
>
>
>>When Davey and others harassed eelbash,
>>did you support or encourage that activity?
>
>I'm not aware of anyone harassing eelbash. I do remember several members
>of the remailer community, rightfully, calling him to task on his
>questionable practices. I don't recall anyone named "Davey" being involved
>in this.
It's far more likely that David was not involved.
Ken claimed David made various comments. He never expressed what
these comments were.
Greg buys everything Ken sells without question.
>
>>
>>Did you honestly think you could run anonymous
>>remailers and not expect a lot of attention and
>>scrutiny for the abuse and criminal uses of the service?
>
>In actuality, it's an issue which rarely comes up. When I was running a
>remailer, my system processed an average of 200,000 messages per months. I=
>
>received maybe 2 complaints a month about abuse.=20
>
>>You're not really in Austria, are you? LOL
>
>No.
>
>Are you so ignorant that you don't grasp that "Austria" is the name of the
>remailer I'm posting through?
Sadly, Greg is unable to understand.
>
>>
>>Whether you're a remop or not, ""Our"" Davey
>>sure is likely to bring "the remop community"
>>some unwanted attention!
>>
>>Various ""Anonymous"" threats and forgeries
>>threatening firearms violence, taking false credit
>>for the downing of a French airliner, and apparent
>>solicitation to rape might make things a bit
>>difficult for the "remop community".
>>
>>Wouldn't you say?
>
>No.
You may need to explain that to Greg.
--
"Kent"
Greegor
KBW > kill filed me, yet was able to reply to
KBW > my posts directly several times.
Just TWO of Kent Wills' usenet newsgroup identities:
krp
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, krp <kr...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >G > Help him out, Kent!
>>>> >> >G > Soon Dan can be as popular as you!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Would you please keep your crap out of alt.privacy.anon-server?
>>>> >
>>>> > Amen to that!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How about YOU keep YOUR shit out of our newsgroups? Leash your dog and
>>>> nobody will bother you in your little playpen. Deal?
>>>
>>> Maybe.
>>
>>
>>I am certain that if you can control the asshole, NOBODY from these
>>newsgroups will ever bother you again.
>
> Remailer operators don't "control" the people who use their services. If
> the remailer is being run properly, it's impossible for the operator to
> know who is accessing the remailer, or from where.
However when remops DO control abuses by their users YOU and others HOWL
at them for doing so. YOU scream "IT'S IMPOSSIBLE" yet several remops HAVE
taken steps to prevent the abuses. And you guys condemn them for doing so.
And then you WHINE like infants when retorts to remailer users SPAMMING of
other newsgroups get crossposted in your hell hole. POOR BABIES!
Remailers "run properly?" You mean run the way YOU want them run so
criminal activity can be hidden. Including terrorism. You LIKE that, don't
ya? The thought of little kids getting blown up at a day care center really
TURNS you people ON, doesn't it? Does it make your weenie hard to see an
open air market bombed? is that how you get your jollies? I bet you think it
is FUNNY. How funny would it be if it was YOUR mother getting blown up? Or
YOUR family? Would you be yapping like you do? Your concern for humanity is
only as large as the tip of your nose.
Now it is one thing to shield whistle blowers and crime victims. It is
quite another to shield the criminals. HOW the fukkk can you people CLAIM to
help victims of domestic violence and yet ASSIST the abuses of those women
and children. Do you AT ALL understand the HYPOCRISY in your BULLSHIT? The
laughable BULLSHIT!
Again you want negative comments OUT of your SACRED grotto - CURB YOUR
DOG!
Greegor
> "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmas...@remailer.privacy.at> wrote in
> messagenews:c70fed23c181b5f8...@remailer.privacy.at...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, krp <kr...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>> >> >G > Help him out, Kent!
> >>>> >> >G > Soon Dan can be as popular as you!
>
> >>>> >> Would you please keep your crap out of alt.privacy.anon-server?
>
> >>>> > Amen to that!
>
> >>>> How about YOU keep YOUR shit out of our newsgroups? Leash your dog and
> >>>> nobody will bother you in your little playpen. Deal?
>
> >>> Maybe.
>
> >>I am certain that if you can control the asshole, NOBODY from these
> >>newsgroups will ever bother you again.
>
> > Remailer operators don't "control" the people who use their services. If
> > the remailer is being run properly, it's impossible for the operator to
> > know who is accessing the remailer, or from where.
>
> However when remops DO control abuses by their users YOU and others HOWL
> at them for doing so. YOU scream "IT'S IMPOSSIBLE" yet several remops HAVE
> taken steps to prevent the abuses. And you guys condemn them for doing so.
eelbash.
> And then you WHINE like infants when retorts to remailer users SPAMMING of
> other newsgroups get crossposted in your hell hole. POOR BABIES!
>
> Remailers "run properly?" You mean run the way YOU want them run so
> criminal activity can be hidden. Including terrorism.
The eelbash scenario!
Did you know that Davey was part of the
big campaign of harassment from the
"remop community"?
Asking the remops to axe dave is like asking them
to cut off their own aiding and abetting hand.
I've concluded that remops don't DARE
rat him out because he was their hitman
and he knows where the remop community
bodies are buried, so to say.
> You LIKE that, don't
> ya? The thought of little kids getting blown up at a day care center really
> TURNS you people ON, doesn't it? Does it make your weenie hard to see an
> open air market bombed? is that how you get your jollies? I bet you think it
> is FUNNY. How funny would it be if it was YOUR mother getting blown up? Or
> YOUR family? Would you be yapping like you do? Your concern for humanity is
> only as large as the tip of your nose.
>
> Now it is one thing to shield whistle blowers and crime victims. It is
> quite another to shield the criminals. HOW the fukkk can you people CLAIM to
> help victims of domestic violence and yet ASSIST the abuses of those women
> and children. Do you AT ALL understand the HYPOCRISY in your BULLSHIT? The
> laughable BULLSHIT!
KRP > Again you want negative comments OUT of
KRP > your SACRED grotto - CURB YOUR DOG!
"SACRED grotto"? LOL More like a butt crack.
George Orwell
> Which anonymous remailer operators are known by their
> real name?
Many are. In their domain whois entries. I know that's out of your reach,
but there it is.
> (Aside from the one in Johnson's legal papers)?
That was decades ago and not a remailer operator.
> I'd like to see that list! Is eelbash still on it?
> You lied. Your ""proof"" overlooks that
> Ken does not run linux.
You don't need Linux to use remailers.
> The biggest problem is that Dave is the DARLING
> of the remop community,
Rest assured, the remailer operator community have no "darlings" in
general and has no idea who this "Dave" is in particular.
> Dave runs a hate ken web site based in NEW ZEALAND
Oh, those nasty sheepish web hosters.
> Or is it possible that the hit man for the
> remop community is just too dangerous
> to turn in because he knows where all
> of the [ remop ] bodies are buried, so to say?
What bodies?
> Keywords:
The mark of a troll.
Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this
non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real
reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an
di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system
Per maggiori informazioni |For more info
https://www.mixmaster.it
Anonymous Remailer
> YOU scream "IT'S IMPOSSIBLE" yet several remops HAVE
> taken steps to prevent the abuses.
So now it's "several"? Your pet Greegoricz says it was only Eelbash. Can't
you both keep your stories straight?
> I bet you think it is FUNNY.
Terrorism makes great TV entertainment. The large networks already figured
that out.
> How funny would it be if it was YOUR mother getting blown up?
The chances of YOUR mother being killed in a terrorist attack are
practically zero. A traffic accident is mucho more likely.
Greegor
KRP > HAVE taken steps to prevent the abuses.
Quietly, for fear of feeling the wrath of the criminal remops.
who > So now it's "several"? Your pet Greegoricz says it was only
Eelbash.
LIE. I did not say ONLY eelbash. I cited eelbash as an example.
who > Can't you both keep your stories straight?
KRP > I bet you think it is FUNNY.
who > Terrorism makes great TV entertainment. The
who > large networks already figured that out.
KRP > How funny would it be if it was YOUR mother getting blown up?
who > The chances of YOUR mother being killed in
who > a terrorist attack are practically zero.
who > A traffic accident is mucho more likely.
Has Davey posted an anonymous death
threat about YOUR family?
Look WHO actually made the following posts!
Feb 2002 "My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 "My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 "My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
Greegor
G > LIE. I did not say ONLY eelbash.
G > I cited eelbash as an example.
who > Care to name a few more then?
Why?
who > You always harp on about eelbash
who > because you know the other kids
who > don't like her weird style
Six or seven people from "the remop community"
have said it was because eelbash took measures
to prevent or track criminal activity and that
violates the sicko code of the remops.
Now you're pretending it was because you
and the other kiddies didn't like a haircut?
LOL
who > and you cannot prove she did anything
who > about that Daveism of yours.
Can I have that in the original czeski?
who > I doubt you can name others.
To what end?
who > Terrorism makes great TV entertainment. The
who > large networks already figured that out.
KRP > How funny would it be if it was YOUR mother getting blown up?
who > That would depend on the size of the inheritance.
Tell everybody you're adopted, Dave.
Then your comment makes more sense.
Greegor
Moe > So does his lackey greg. I honesty
Moe > find the krp/Moore thing tiresome.
You kept up with the Glen Frohman harassment for
TEN YEARS and enlisted help from others
with anony remailers and sock identities.
You asserted Glen was convicted. Got proof?
Moe > Kennie's accusations that Moore is doing
Moe > certain things sounds a lot like paranoia
Davey recently posted the identical crap
from a whole string of different anony sock
identities.
Moe > and not something a rational person would do.
But the guy who runs the hate Ken web site
out of New Zealand is rational to you.
Moe > And yes Kennie would have been better
Moe > off putting Moore in ignore.
Hate site.
Stated goal of hurting Ken's business.
Real World harassment.
Hello!
Moe > Problem is Kennie doesn't know how
Moe > to killfile users on his newsreader.
Moe >
Moe > There is a question whether or not
Moe > Kenneth Pangborn is indeed sane.
Been reading the chicken entrails, Maureen?
Or was it cow flop like the Glen conviction?
Greegor
Moe > So does his lackey greg. I honesty
Moe > find the krp/Moore thing tiresome.
G Oct 13 > You kept up with the Glen Frohman
G Oct 13 > harassment for TEN YEARS and
G Oct 13 > enlisted help from others with anony
G Oct 13 > remailers and sock identities.
G Oct 13 > You asserted Glen was convicted. Got proof?
Moe?
Moe > Kennie's accusations that Moore is doing
Moe > certain things sounds a lot like paranoia
G > Davey recently posted the identical crap
G > from a whole string of different anony sock
G > identities.
Moe > and not something a rational person would do.
G > But the guy who runs the hate Ken web site
G > out of New Zealand is rational to you.
Moe > And yes Kennie would have been better
Moe > off putting Moore in ignore.
G > Hate site.
G > Stated goal of hurting Ken's business.
G > Real World harassment.
G > Hello!
Moe > Problem is Kennie doesn't know how
Moe > to killfile users on his newsreader.
Moe >
Moe > There is a question whether or not
Moe > Kenneth Pangborn is indeed sane.
G Oct 13 > Been reading the chicken entrails, Maureen?
G Oct 13 > Or was it cow flop like the Glen conviction?
Maureen, Got some proof?
http://www.pichost.ru/show.php/118293_moe.jpg.html
What's the story about the twerp next to you?
How did they keep from having the lens crack when this was taken?
Did they use a mirror?
Greegor
Kent Wills
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Is this ""OUR"" Kent Wills, or some ""OTHER"" Kent Wills?
You used of double quotation (quadruple if you follow British
grammar) means nothing.
That side, I'm but one person. You may honestly believe your
drug induced delusions are reality, but they aren't.
Get the professional mental health care you've once again proved
your continued use and abuse of illegal drugs has made necessary.
Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
(DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT
"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead
Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?
Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser: "Of course."
"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
-- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.04011...@posting.google.com>
" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson
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From: Greegor <gree...@gmail.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.kids,alt.support.foster-parents,uk.people.parents,alt.support.child-protective-services
With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching
into her usual tirade of "I need this" (Nintendo 64 games, Pokemon,
videos, Rhianna CD, etc.) After enduring a trip through Kmart, I
was at my wits end. I took the kid home and filled the bathtub with
water. Then I dunked the brat's head under the water and counted out
a full minute, with her flailing her arms. I brought her up and she
gasped for air. When she'd caught her breath, I asked her, "When you
were under that water, did you 'need' Nintendo? Pokemon? Rhianna?"
She shook her head. "What were you thinking about?" I
prodded. She told me "I was thinking that I needed air."
"Now you know the difference between 'need' and 'want'" I exclaimed
triumphantly.
--a true story
Greegor
KBW > You used of double quotation (quadruple
KBW > if you follow British grammar) means
KBW > nothing. That side, I'm but one person.
KBW > You may honestly believe your drug
KBW > induced delusions are reality, but they
KBW > aren't. Get the professional mental
KBW > health care you've once again proved
KBW > your continued use and abuse of
KBW > illegal drugs has made necessary.
I declared my meaning. Why are you arguing it?
Kent Wills
wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, Kent Wills <comp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Path:
>>news.datemas.de!newsfeed.datemas.de!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!postnews.go
>>ogle.com!y21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
>>From: Greegor <gree...@gmail.com>
>>Newsgroups:
>>misc.kids,alt.support.foster-parents,uk.people.parents,alt.support.child-p
>>rotective-services
>>
>>With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching
>>into her usual tirade of "I need this" (Nintendo 64 games, Pokemon,
>>videos, Rhianna CD, etc.) After enduring a trip through Kmart, I
>>was at my wits end. I took the kid home and filled the bathtub with
>>water. Then I dunked the brat's head under the water and counted out
>>a full minute, with her flailing her arms. I brought her up and she
>>gasped for air. When she'd caught her breath, I asked her, "When you
>>were under that water, did you 'need' Nintendo? Pokemon? Rhianna?"
>>She shook her head. "What were you thinking about?" I
>>prodded. She told me "I was thinking that I needed air."
>>
>>"Now you know the difference between 'need' and 'want'" I exclaimed
>>triumphantly.
>>
>>--a true story
>
>oh my god that is SICK! creeps like this should not be allowed near kids.
>
>someone ought to castrate this sicko with a rusty knife.
>
Because of Greg's past actions, Lisa's little girl was removed
from the home for many years. There is evidence that she's not yet
been allowed back.
As of January of this year, child support was still ordered to be
paid to the child's Grandfather, not mom.
--
"Kent"
Kent Wills
So you MEAN to claim I am so many different people. It's nice
that you are willing to admit it. That couldn't have been easy for
you.
Greegor
KBW > Because of Greg's past actions, Lisa's little
KBW > girl was removed from the home for many
KBW > years. There is evidence that she's not yet
KBW > been allowed back. As of January of this
KBW > year, child support was still ordered to be
KBW > paid to the child's Grandfather, not mom.
January of this year?
How do you explain this thread?
THREAD
Dan's first post in that thread
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/cb958e0771633ca9
And LOOK who posted into that thread Sep 27 2008 !
Why, Kent, IT WAS YOU!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/4898529b5132f789
If she DIED in September of 2008, how could
child support go to her in January of 2009?
Just what ""evidence"" are you referring to, Kent?
Bases
Greegor <gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is this ""OUR"" Kent Wills, or some ""OTHER"" Kent Wills?
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=5zmbTBIAAADOJ684KS60nUaU_zmlHzoM8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg
Who gives a shit?!
Kent Wills
wrote:
I am the single most important person to Greg on-line. So much
so that when he realized I left ASCPS, he followed me all over Usenet.
He even started posting about me in groups I hadn't been to in the
previous year.
When I went on vacation for a week, he got so upset by my lack of
acknowledging his presence, he started a thread asking where I was.
What his proving that I've used my Yahoo account while posting is
supposed to accomplish is anyone's guess. It's not like I've ever
denied I've used it. Before I had Gmail, I used it exclusively.
I think he was hoping for me to acknowledge that he sees me as
more important than anyone else. At least on-line.
--
"Kent"
Kent Wills
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 26, 3:15�am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>KBW > Because of Greg's past actions, Lisa's little
>KBW > girl was removed from the home for many
>KBW > years. �There is evidence that she's not yet
>KBW > been allowed back. As of January of this
>KBW > year, child support was still ordered to be
>KBW > paid to the child's Grandfather, not mom. �
>
>January of this year?
Yes. as I wrote above, as of January of this year, child support
was still ordered to be paid to the Grandfather.
>
>How do you explain this thread?
What is there to explain?
>
>THREAD
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/browse_frm/thread/a0cf5a0bcb991f16/cb958e0771633ca9
>
>Dan's first post in that thread
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/cb958e0771633ca9
>
And?
>And LOOK who posted into that thread Sep 27 2008 !
>
>Why, Kent, IT WAS YOU!
>
Yes. And?
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/4898529b5132f789
>
>If she DIED in September of 2008, how could
>child support go to her in January of 2009?
"... child support was still ordered to be paid to the child's
Grandfather, not mom."
Has your use and abuse of illegal drugs so messed you up that you
honestly think men and women are the same gender?
>
>Just what ""evidence"" are you referring to, Kent?
Public records.
What evidence do you have that the girl's grandfather is also her
grandmother?
Did I just expose ANOTHER of your MANY drug induced lies?
With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching
Greegor
Case number?
Kent Wills
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
Context restored at no additional cost:
And?
Yes. And?
>Where are the records?
Gee, where do you think? The state records office (in addition to
multiple satellite offices all over Iowa -- you must really HATE
networking right about now).
>Case number?
The same as the last three times I posted it.
Is there a SPECIFIC reason you're deceptively presenting that you
haven't already seen it?
And why did you snip the whole of my post in your reply? Are you
getting worried that more people are seeing you for the drug addicted
LOSER you are?
Greegor
Moe > to stir up crap, so naturally they crosspost
Moe > to other newsgroups that have nothing to
Moe > do with the subject at hand.
Moe >
Moe > Its a sort of mental sickness with them,
Moe > I suppose. Kennie just changed ISP
Moe > servers and Greg does what Kennie
Moe > tells him. Frankly I think both are
Moe > cowardly bullies and best ignored.
G > Maureen,
G > How many people have you stalked and
G > harassed on the internet?
G >
G > You stalked and harassed Glen for TEN YEARS,
G > and recently claimed that Glen was arrested and
G > you even posted what you represented as proof,
G > but your link to a news story did not name names.
G >
G > I have asked you to name the other people you
G > have stalked and harassed on the internet,
G > including all of the harassment you instigated
G > using other people and anonymous remailer
G > posting. Why didn't you answer? Why are
G > you so afraid of naming your other targets?
G > This pretense that you are an innocent victim is cute.
Your face certainly isn't.
http://www.pichost.ru/show.php/118293_moe.jpg.html
Moe, Who IS that twerp, and do you
honestly consider yourself a COUGAR?
noauth
Greegor <gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
Will you assholes get the fuck out of APAS?!