New weather phenomenon?
Fievel Mousekewitz Sr (Not A CT'er)
clouds on radar. Nothing I can remember from weather science
explains this. Where did they just suddenly appear from?
I've seen this a few time throughout the year. But have no idea
why it happens.
Large body of water, water condenses. Clouds form as they
eventually come over land as moisture forms into rain and storms.
Larger clouds aren't suppose to appear from almost nowhere, or at least
I didn't think they were suppose to.
Anyone have any ideas?
Fievel. (Everything I ever learned about whether is becoming garbage.)
ro...@dxz7.com
If the echos appeared at, near or down wind of a military range, that
would be my guess.
Weatherlawyer
<dlwstraus...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I watched large areas of clear skis, suddenly have large paths of
> clouds on radar. Nothing I can remember from weather science
> explains this. Where did they just suddenly appear from?
>
> I've seen this a few time throughout the year. But have no idea
> why it happens.
OK so far.
> Large body of water, water condenses. Clouds form as they
> eventually come over land as moisture forms into rain and storms.
Say what?
> Larger clouds aren't suppose to appear from almost nowhere, or at least
> I didn't think they were suppose to.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> Fievel. (Everything I ever learned about weather is becoming garbage.)
It would help if we knew where you were talking about.
Water evaporates from a large body of water and condenses over the
brow of an hill as is the case with North American weather where
everything from the Pacific hits the Rockies before rectifying itself
over the plains.
That's why they get arid zonas.
It's much the same in Europe. The UK is a microcosm of North America.
Would the times of the lunar phases of these other occasions coincide
with that for the last occasion? >
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/phase/phase2001gmt.html
Fievel Mousekewitz Sr (Not A CT'er)
news:51ce827e-16be-44c4...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
OK so far.
Say what?
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Oops, I guess I should have posted this,,..
http://ravingraichu.googlegroups.com/web/centgrtlakes.gif?hl=en&gsc=5Fs4ggsAAACCFUtiWEsiF_gbYyt_SIK4
saved it from noaa weather data.. There was nothing there, then these spot
just sort of appeared..
Errors?
Fievel.
ro...@dxz7.com
Roger
Weatherlawyer
<dlwstraus...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Weatherlawyer" <Weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> saved it from noaa weather data.. There was nothing there, then these spot
> just sort of appeared..
>
> Errors?
What does the legend indicate? Assumed heights? But not in minus
figures surely? >
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/ensemble/charts_e.html?Hour=0&Day=0&RunTime=00&Type=pnm
indicates a col. The 1016 mb lines in particular indicate that there
is a lot of vorticity or inversion so maybe it was mist.
What is the matter with your news reader? It should be putting those
chevrons in to indicate who's post is who's.
Fievel Mousekewitz Sr (Not A CT'er)
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Mist,,.. Yeah, that does seem right. We do have much better equipment
then we had at one time.
Interesting question to ask..
Is that steam from the underwater volcano in California?
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=BHX&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes
btw, outlook express sucks. I've just not felt like downloading thunderbird,
since that
the bill is over due, and have no idea how my roommate and I are going to
pay it.
I just hope it won't be long till we can get Verizon. we'd like to get FIOS,
but they
haven't run the glass through our area yet.
Fievel.
ro...@dxz7.com
>What does the legend indicate? Assumed heights? But not in minus
>figures surely? >
>http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/ensemble/charts_e.html?Hour=0&Day=0&RunTime=00&Type=pnm
>indicates a col. The 1016 mb lines in particular indicate that there
>is a lot of vorticity or inversion so maybe it was mist.
How is it that the 1016 mb line indicates vorticity... be it positive
or negative?
An inversion, if strong enough, will enhance the presence of ground
clutter on a radar due to rf ducting.
As far as mist, fog, drizzle or any other weather was present, you
would need to see the local weather observations at the time.
Roger
Weatherlawyer
<dlwstraus...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Mist,,.. Yeah, that does seem right. We do have much better equipment
> then we had at one time.
> Interesting question to ask..
> Is that steam from the underwater volcano in California?
No ground mist seems to come out the ground. It is one beautiful thing
to watch develop. Well worth biking out to a field or farm to see if
the spell is right for it.
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=BHX&product=NCR&overlay=111011...
>
> btw, outlook express sucks. I've just not felt like downloading thunderbird,
> since that the bill is over due, and have no idea how my roommate and I
> are going to pay it.
>
> I just hope it won't be long till we can get Verizon. we'd like to get FIOS,
> but they haven't run the glass through our area yet.
You don't have to use Outlook Express. But anyway it is free. Just get
a Google email address and use that. There is a free news server in NW
USA somewhere I forget where, or search for newsreaders online.
Or are you talking about the way the ISP has you locked in? I heard
Verizon locks you into malware so think outside their box. Find out
the web address you need to get online and just type it into the
browser address bar.
A local group might show you the ropes.
> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=+usa+isp+review&qt_s=Search
But Comcast is a cable ISP isn't it?
***
The weather runs much like it is shown on the graphic on the top of
this page -at the moment showing the storm tracks from the tropics:
http://www.hurricanezone.net/
With another one coming in from the N Pacific through sunny Seattle.
It all ends up off Newfoundland feeding the fishes. Like the Whale
Shark it then runs across the Atlantic to Norway or Scotland almost
along the 60 degree line.
El Nino and La NIna and the inter SO clouds run south almost 45
degrees to the equator. Hard to see how that affects much up north.
Save a few of these loops up to where you can spot a change in the
weather stream:
> http://weather.unisys.com/images/sat_sfc_map_loop.html
You'll find it matches the time of the phases of the moon but about a
day earlier in changing.
Some spells won't match of course otherwise someone would have
noticed. These unstable spells all have something in common though, so
see how it goes.
Put them in folders you can search through easily or it will be too
much of a pain trying to sort them. I have tried to keep a diary of
the general effects in threads named for the time of the spells.
Here's this next spell:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.geo.earthquakes/browse_frm/thread/164022fd12d8b7ae#
By the way Google searches mung the links so you can't play with them
to search the site.
> http://ravingraichu.googlegroups.com/web/centgrtlakes.gif?hl=en&gsc=5Fs4ggsAAACCFUtiWEsiF_gbYyt_SIK4
Not as bad as Microsoft but getting there.
BTW if you are on dial up you might be better going to a cyber cafe,
college or library to open heavy stuff like weather graphics. If you
are stuck I can send you some stuff, not sure it will help.
I suppose I could put a collection of graphics on a disk. It's not my
copyright but it is in the interest of education. If anyone else wants
some, ask me. My e-mail works. g~ or hot~ mail
Not that I'm really competent like that, I always manage to turn out
crockery. Gaping gaps in the files too.
Weatherlawyer
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT), Weatherlawyer
>
> >What does the legend indicate? Assumed heights? But not in minus
> >figures surely? >
> >indicates a col. The 1016 mb lines in particular indicate that there
> >is a lot of vorticity or inversion so maybe it was mist.
>
> How is it that the 1016 mb line indicates vorticity... be it positive
> or negative?
>
> An inversion, if strong enough, will enhance the presence of ground
> clutter on a radar due to rf ducting.
>
> As far as mist, fog, drizzle or any other weather was present, you
> would need to see the local weather observations at the time.
>
> Roger
I don't know.
When there are no storms in the tropics and no quakes spiking off
Alaska and the oceans are settled with a 1016 line the outer ring at
the coastlines, you get a packet of tornadic stuff.
Which is no more than saying:
If it ain't unsettled, it's going to be.
Nothing like this at the moment: >
https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/efs/dynamic/US058VMET-GIFwxg.EFS.no_pac_gale_0.gif
(Wants a cookie from another page first then paste it in or click from
another tab.)
Try these: >
https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/public/ >
https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/efs/dynamic/US058VMET-GIFwxg.EFS.no_atl_gale_0.gif
Weatherlawyer
> would need to see the local weather observations at the time.
I noticed in Britain last year we got foggy weather commensurate with
tropical storms out east somewhere. It hasn't been so noticeable this
year, not by any means.
Or was it in 2005 that the coincidence was marked? I can't remember.
Something on it here: >
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sci.weather/browse_frm/thread/3447bc262cbf671f/2152036fc838544b?lnk=gst&q=mists+typhoons#
It's 3 am here and I am too tired to try and understand what my point
was in the thread. It looks like I was having a fit again. And I
hadn't any understanding of your tornado stuff.
And that Carolinas effect is a recent discovery too. So don't worry
over it.
A bunch of tornadoes from a large super cell is the equivalent of a
hurricane or a major earthquake a Mag 7 or so.
When the weathermen are right and I am wrong it will be a storm and
when I am right and they are wrong it will be a quake is a rule of
thumb you could watch for.
Weatherlawyer
>
> I noticed in Britain last year we got foggy weather commensurate with
> tropical storms out east somewhere. It hasn't been so noticeable this
> year, not by any means.
>
> Or was it in 2005 that the coincidence was marked? I can't remember.
>
> Something on it here:
From that link:
On Oct 5 2006, 3:18 am, "Weatherlawyer" <Weatherlaw...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Weatherlawyer wrote:
> > John Hall wrote:
> > > In article <1159992873.501741.221...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > > >I shall have to do these years:
>
> > > >Snow began to fall in January and then "it froze most days & every
> > > >night till February 16 ... February 2 when the Ice was thickest I found
> > > >it 11.5 In. thick in a pond ... The Effects of this frost were many &
> > > >destructive...".
>
> > > > how can I tell it wasn't a negative NAO?
Anticyclonic weather typically produces mist at morning and evening.
Deep cold in Britain requires what we call a Scandinavian High. Snow
needs that too plus an Icelandic Low.
Icelandic Lows are a normal course of events similar to the Azores /
Bermudan High.
> > > >Anything on the database for hurricanes that year? Or large mag
> > > >earthquakes?
These can change the way a spell performs. There is only so much force
in train on the planet at any one time. If it is being used by a super-
typhoon it isn't going to be holding the line in Britain the way it
should.
> > > I suppose that the Admiralty might have records of hurricanes that
> > > affected RN ships. I believe it was standard practice for naval vessels
> > > to include weather info in their logs.
I don't think hurricanes were understood in the 18th century. I
believe the word used might have still been "tempest".
> The Frost in the winter 1739-40 was remarkable, being both Long,
> Severe, & Settled, but was made more remarkable by the very backward,
> dry, & cold season which followed it, & was more destructive than the
> Frost itself.
>
> The Autumn 1739 was mostly cold, with frequent Rimy mornings. The wind
> being mostly Northerly all October, but there was no settled frost till
> November 7, when there came one for 10 days, which was sharp for the
> time of year. It froze .9 of an inch in a whole day in this frost, &
> the greatest thickness of the ice was 3.1 inches...
>
> ...at the end of December it grew colder and began to freeze December
> 25 at night, the wind being ENE ... December 30 in the day time it
> froze an inch; & in night after 2.5 inches. and December 31 the
> Thermometer was fallen to [-4 C°], which is far lower than I ever
> before saw it, though if the Thermometer had been out of doors it would
> probably have fallen still lower....
>
> Snow began to fall in January and then "it froze most days & every
> night till February 16 ... February 2 when the Ice was thickest I found
> it 11.5 In. thick in a pond ... The Effects of this frost were many &
> destructive...".
>
> http://www.lyndon-estate.co.uk/04%20History/Historical%20Figures/Thom...
>
> >From the catalogue of the moon phases by Fred Espenak:
>
> 1739 00h00m
>
> Jan 3 02:04
> Jan 9 17:21 Jan 16 18:04 Jan 24 23:06 p Feb 1 12:53
> Feb 8 04:49 T Feb 15 13:18 Feb 23 16:24 Mar 2 21:03
> Mar 9 16:49 Mar 17 09:35 Mar 25 06:31 Apr 1 03:40
> Apr 8 05:24 Apr 16 05:13 Apr 23 17:24 Apr 30 09:54
> May 7 18:46 May 15 22:41 May 23 01:54 May 29 16:48
> Jun 6 09:07 Jun 14 13:03 Jun 21 09:07 Jun 28 01:20
> Jul 6 00:21 Jul 14 00:12 Jul 20 16:04 t Jul 27 12:22
> Aug 4 15:52 A Aug 12 08:48 Aug 18 23:40 Aug 26 02:35
> Sep 3 06:51 Sep 10 15:48 Sep 17 08:41 Sep 24 20:06
> Oct 2 20:47 Oct 9 22:20 Oct 16 19:54 Oct 24 16:12
> Nov 1 09:35 Nov 8 05:26 Nov 15 10:01 Nov 23 13:07
> Nov 30 21:37 Dec 7 14:03 Dec 15 03:12 Dec 23 08:45
> Dec 30 09:09 P
>
> http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/phase/phases1701.html
>
> [I have no idea what the letters mean, nor the time "subheading":
> 00h00m -in this case.
00h00m indicates a degree of accuracy. Inaccuracy being measured in
hours and minutes. (I think.)
> 3 Jan 02:04 A. (Anticyclonic)
> 9 Jan 17:21 A.
> Also the possibility of mists.
Therefore the likelihood of tropical storms having occurred in which
case the local weather would have been affected.
However what has turned this into something interesting is that the
repetition is similar to those of the phases we are having from this
year to the middle of 2010.
> 16 Jan 18:04 C. (Col)
> 24 Jan 23:06 A.
> 1 Feb 12:53 L. (Low)
> 8 Feb 04:49 A.
> 15 Feb 13:18 L.
> 23 Feb 16:24 R. (Ridge of high pressure or the A to the west of the
> UK.*)
> Also the possibility of mists.
I was trying to use a shorthand code to indicate what I thought the
weather would do according to the phase. Today, instead of using the
term "Col" which is accurate enough in some places, I'd use the term
instability or Unstable Spell.
I think I believed that the times of 4~ and 10~ were the same as or
closely similar to 2~ and 8~ of the clock.
TBH, I'm not sure what I think now.
> 2 Mar 21:03
> 9 Mar 16:49
> 17 Mar 09:35
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 25 Mar 06:31
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 1 Apr 03:40
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 8 Apr 05:24
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 16 Apr 05:13
> 23 Apr 17:24
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 30 Apr 09:54
> 7 May 18:46
> 15 May 22:41
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 23 May 01:54
> 29 May 16:48
> 6 Jun 09:07
> 14 Jun 13:03
> 21 Jun 09:07
> 28 Jun 01:20
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 6 Jul 00:21
> 14 Jul 00:12
> 20 Jul 16:04
> 27 Jul 12:22
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 4 Aug 15:52
> 12 Aug 08:48
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 18 Aug 23:40
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 26 Aug 02:35
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 3 Sep 06:51
> 10 Sep 15:48
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 17 Sep 08:41
> 24 Sep 20:06
> 2 Oct 20:47
> 9 Oct 22:20
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 16 Oct 19:54
> 24 Oct 16:12
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 1 Nov 09:35
> 8 Nov 05:26
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 15 Nov 10:01
> 23 Nov 13:07
> 30 Nov 21:37
> Also the possibility of mists.
>
> 7 Dec 14:03
> 15 Dec 03:12
> 23 Dec 08:45
> 30 Dec 09:09
I obviously never bothered filling all the spells in just the ones
that gave rise to mists. 3~ and 9~ o'clock phase times normally bring
thundery weather. Or at least humid stuff.
> *This could mean dry weather depending on the declination of the moon.
> But the SE of England tends to get wet weather from France in these
> conditions.
>
> The North Atlantic was extremely negative that year and there would
> have been a number of serious volcanic eruptions along with a late
> start to the Hurricane season. (Which hurricanes would have tended to
> divert through the Azores to the Barents Sea.)
There would have been a lot of activity in the Aleutians. It is semi
desert these days but then would have been virtually uninhabited I
imagine. Unless the place was populated by people who had no defence
against influenza.
Early contact with them might have given them avian~ or Spanish~ flu.
So who knows?
> Seriously devastating storms would have struck the Philippines and
> Vietnam as well as China and various other places susceptible to typhoons-
> as has been noted this year.)
This year was 2006.
> Now I have realised what causes the negativity of the NAO, I shall not
> be able to sleep tonight. Thanks John!
I hadn't got it quite right then but I was getting there.
> I'll do the actual forecast some other time. But it won't be anywhere
> near accurate if I am correct about the NAO. But at least that will
> show up in the records. Of course if the blighter lived in the SE of
> England his records will not fit the code which is based on the North
> West of England and North Wales's weather tendencies.
It will now.
> Perhaps if I just have a stab at placing the air masses....
>
> ...Oh Bloody Hell!
>
> He lived near Peterborough.
>:http://www.lyndon-estate.co.uk/
Peterborough is in the Fenns -our version of the Mississippi Delta.
Mostly drained now and suffering from erosion, the region was once a
controlled water margin with housing built on jetties, the people
living on fish.
Drained from Roman times it became a peat marsh. Then with powered
mills, a low lying area. Windmills were in use in the 18th century.
Electrical pumps are used today. They grow tulips and crocuses there:
>
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=saffron+walden&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=image
It is a region of mists still. In the good old days, things would have
been a lot mistier.
Fievel Mousekewitz Sr (Not A CT'er)
Fievel.. :-)
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Weatherlawyer
Fievel Mousekewitz Sr (Not A CT'er)
> http://www.met.inf.cu/asp/genesis.asp?TB0=PLANTILLAS&TB1=RADAR&TB2=../Radar/01Casablanca/csbMaxw01a.gif
Ty, but it didn't load.
Could you please give me the English page?
Ty Much..
Fievel.
Weatherlawyer
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> "Weatherlawyer" <Weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0a8e0537-ac22-4eb2...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.met.inf.cu/asp/genesis.asp?TB0=PLANTILLAS&TB1=RADAR&TB2=.....
>
> Ty, but it didn't load.
It looks like an expired link.
> Could you please give me the English page?
It doesn't appear to have one.
I take it you tried deleting sections of the URL until you got as far
back in the server as you could go? And tried the Home Page? There are
some good links on there but again they are in Spanish.
Perhaps if you found a useful phrase that you could plug into Google
or a search engine of your choice you could find a translation of the
page required?
Something like this:
"Aviso de Ciclón Tropical"
For Google, you need to include the quotation marks as the search
parameters will hold together better that way. Exempli gratia: >
http://gulf-coast-hurricanes.blogspot.com/2008/08/aviso-de-cicln-tropical-hurrican-gustav.html
Weatherlawyer
<dlwstraus...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Weatherlawyer" <Weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0a8e0537-ac22-4eb2...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.met.inf.cu/asp/genesis.asp?TB0=PLANTILLAS&TB1=RADAR&TB2=.....
>
> Ty, but it didn't load.
> Could you please give me the English page?
You might consider using K-Meleon. It has a built in set of
translation tools:
Tools > Translation > Spanish (Choose language from list.)
Weatherlawyer
<dlwstraus...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> As long as I have the net, I'll be watching radar...
China by darklight.