Lung Cancer
mayihelpyou
Cancer. I was reading about it on
http://www.medical-health-care-information.com which says how many
years of smoking is it possible for someone to have lung cancer? I know
that it depends on how many cigarettes you smke per day, the kind of
cigarettes . About 40,000 people in the UK die every year from lung
cancer. It is the most common form of cancer in the UK and the most
common cause of death from cancer in both men and women although it
affects more men than women.
The symptoms of lung cancer include:
· A chronic cough.
· Worsening breathlessness.
· Weight loss.
· Excessive fatigue.
· Persistent pain in the chest or elsewhere, (possibly from the
cancer spreading to a bone).
· One of the most significant symptoms of lung cancer is coughing up
blood or haemoptysis.
Small cell lung cancer is treated with chemotherapy. This is given
either by an oncologist (a specialist in cancer treatment) or sometimes
by a physician in chest diseases with special experience in
chemotherapy. It is given in courses which means that the patient has
to stay in hospital for about 48 hours approximately every three weeks.
Chemotherapy does have side effects, particularly nausea, vomiting and
hair loss. However there are very good drugs to control these side
effects. Hair always grows again about three months after the
chemotherapy courses have finished.
I thought I would share this info with you. Maybe you would want to
read about it there. Regards, Payal
nightlight
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/browse_frm/thread/fe07df9886765230/?hl=en#
> Hi Everyone, there seems to be a new development in the field of Lung
> Cancer. ...
> Small cell lung cancer is treated with chemotherapy.
Yeah, that works great (Peter Jennings, Dana Reeve,...).
>
> I thought I would share this info with you. Maybe you would want to
> read about it there. Regards, Payal
>
If you are worried about getting lung cancer or have family history of
that disease (or Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, schizophrenia, ADHD, Tourette
and many others), the best protection is to start smoking tobacco or to
go back to it if you have quit already. Make sure you use additive and
pesticide free, organically grown tobacco such as American Spirit, and
smoke it traditional ways of our grand-grandfathers i.e. non-filtered
through long cigarette holders, cigars or pipe.
== Smoking is protective against lung cancer
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/173601742/m/7541044041
*** Magic from the ancient medicinal herb, tobacco, gift of gods ***
== Dr. W. T. Whitby "Smoking is Good for You" (online book)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/34b73a743b424abe
== Lauren A. Colby "In Defense of Smokers" (online book)
http://www.lcolby.com/
== J.R. Johnstone, P.D. Finch "The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking"
http://members.iinet.com.au/~ray/TSSOASb.html
== Father of antismoking "science" Sir Richard Doll exposed as
scientific fraud and a master of blame-the-victim strategy
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/a5941dd832b3c36d
== Tobacco and other herbal & traditional remedies under attack
by pharmaceutical industry
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/7b173004cc986af1
== Money trail behind antismoking swindle
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/18ce47ecd9c15eda
== Robert Wood Johnson Foundation buying antismoking "science"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/b3b77660aec7b2ca
== Effects of antismoking on human brain
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/a27152b2c0797b36
== Antidotes for toxic "death curse" of antismoking voodoo "science"
* Smoking is Protective Against Lung Cancer
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/173601742/m/7541044041
* Getting Organized
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/866605742/m/2771083571
* Yellow Star Armbands
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/992603742/m/3921025671
* Red pill for antismoking propaganda matrix
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/613606642/m/4851097471?r=7751075571#7751075571
* Smoking as immune system exercise (glutathione production)
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/613606642/m/4851097471?r=6421028571#6421028571
* Antismoking scientists trying to figure out why is tobacco so healthy:
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/992603742/m/3921025671?r=6291068771#6291068771
* Smoking protects against Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, schizophrena
http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB19&Number=13834&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#Post13964
over50chick
I guess if we only smoked 1 pipe a day and reflected about our spiritual
livlihood we would be ok. BUT what about TAR? Tar is bad for your lungs
too. In fact they say wood smoke inhaled on a daily winter basis is bad
for youer lungs.
Did our forefathers smoke 10 pipes-- --full a day?
Why are you even here?
Anita
Raoubin
--
" I will be your towelboy for today "
-
"over50chick" <> schreef in bericht ...
jojo
It is one of my greatest fears....Even as a child I have not had healthy
lungs, and yet I smoked for 30 years...insane I know.
jojo
I am a nicotine addict.
I have stopped cigarettes for 28 days, 2 hours, 13 minutes and 21 seconds
(28 days).
I've not smoked 843 death sticks, and saved $109.27.
I've saved 2 days, 22 hours and 13 minutes of my life.
I am using a 21 mg patch.
Stepped to 14mg 11/23/06
Stepped to 7 mg 12/07/06
"mayihelpyou" <payal.ma...@netlinkis.com> wrote in message
news:1165904388.8...@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Lee in Duluth MN
because of it. So *that's* how Stupidity By Osmosis works. Attaway, Skippy.
Dope (c).
Lee
VOF
--
Hawaiian trapped in a Minnesotan's body
"nightlight" <nightli...@skip.omegapoint.com> wrote in message
news:hYCdnVlESYqJVePY...@rcn.net...
nightlight
> BUT what about TAR? Tar is bad for your lungs
> too. In fact they say wood smoke inhaled on a daily winter basis is bad
> for youer lungs.
Tar is a _condensate_ of smoke, not something contained in the smoke
(just like a lake is not contained in the clouds). The tobacco smoke
itself contains only the microscopic particles of fully biodegradable
organic molecules. The live cells of all organisms have been exposed to
these types of molecules for hundreds of millions of years and have
evolved and fine tuned biochemistry to metabolize them without problems
for eons. We cook foods and metabolize vastly greater quantities of the
same organic molecules via the cells of our digestive system. The lung
cells contain the same genetic & biochemical machinery as all of your
other cells, hence they are perfectly adapted to metabolize these
molecules with no harm to you.
Furthermore, among varieties of smokes and vapors you inhale every day,
all day long, the smoke of a tobacco leaf, a medicinal herb which has
been cultivated and honed for thousands of years for precisely that
purpose, is the most harmless and benevolent of them all.
The animal experiments have been done since 1950s, where mice, hamsters,
rabbits,... dogs, apes have been exposed to tobacco smoke, and made to
inhale it via surgically implanted tubes in equivalents of 1000
cigarettes, five cartons per day for years on end. They develop fewer
lung cancers, live longer and are healthier (e.g. fewer infections) than
non-smoking animals (although, only when inhaling "moderate" amounts of
tobacco smoke, such as ~100 cigarettes, five packs per day).
Similarly, in human randomized trials smokers get over 20% fewer lung
cancers (also fewer digestive system cancers & heart attacks) and live
longer than those who were _randomly_ selected into the quit group:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/msg/8f95a08912f9434e?hl=en&
Among people exposed to cancerogens (such as asbestos, radiation,
industrial cancerogens), the protective effect of smoking against lung
cancers is even more pronounced:
Tobacco smoking is an aerobics for human immune system. Smokers have
nearly twice the levels of body's master antioxidant and detoxifying
enzyme, _glutathione_ (plus variety of other antioxidants and "youth
hormones", DHEA and testosterone):
Glutathione
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/613606642/m/4851097471?r=6421028571#6421028571
To Coenzyme Q10 (a tobacco leaf extract), which is all the rage in the
natural health circles in recent years, is a stimulant of immune system
and cellular energy production (smoking rises metabolism, reduces
obesity, improves mental performance, protects neurons, reduces
dementias, depression, anxiety, schizophrenia):
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/992603742/m/3921025671?r=6291068771#6291068771
http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol13N3/tobacco.html
You are welcome to check the links I provided earlier in the thread and
free yourself from the spell and "death curse" of the antismoking voodoo
"science" which is only harming your health and shortening your life,
while making a nice chunk of change for its producers and peddlers:
Money trail behind antismoking con job
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/18ce47ecd9c15eda
The statistical associations (correlations) between smoking and various
diseases, which is all the "science" that antismoking voodoo rests on,
is of the same kind as the association (correlation) between aspirin
consumption and headaches i.e. you will find more aspirin users among
people with headaches than in the general population. The tobacco smoke
which is an ancient medicinal herb, revered as sacred gift of gods for
milenia, is therapeutic & protective for the very conditions (and
toxic/cancerogenic eexposures) with which it is statistically
associated. Animal experiments and human randomized intervention trials,
which is how you would scientifically distinguish causal from the
therapeutic role of tobacco smoke, invariably end up going the "wrong"
way for the antismoking scientists (which why they rely exclusively on
blind statistical associations and keep away from hard science).
The father of antismoking voodoo "science", Richard Doll, has been
exposed in a recent investigative report as the master of precisely this
kind of flipping upside-down the remedy with the cause, in order to
shift the blame from whoever is paying him at the moment for his
"research" onto the victims themselves and their lifestyles. Thus he
picks and blames the remedy which is protective/therapeutic against some
cancerogenic exposure caused by his paymasters. Since the victims would
be instinctively drawn to the remedy, such as tobacco smoking or sun
(vitamin-D), the master trick of Doll and his Faustian disciples is to
blame the remedy itself for the resulting cancers based on a perfectly
expected statistical correlation between exposure and the use of remedy
which is protective against the exposure (e.g. blames lung cancers on
smoking, melanoma on sun exposure):
Sir Richard Doll exposed as scientific fraud
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/a5941dd832b3c36d
Blaming-the-victim technique of Sir Richard Doll
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/msg/fd5d6fc49b00bd6d?hl=en&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/37bbf9c507aeca61?hl=en&
--------------------------
> Why are you even here?
--------------------------
I answered that earlier:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/81f9269f69c012e7
then summarized it once more here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/2e2508f5e3c24d8b
-- in short --
As explained in the post, I see it as helping the unfortunate victims of
the antismoking con artists to see through their scam. These conmen are,
after all not leaving me or any other smoker alone, but are hounding us
24/7 any place we go, every restaurant, every building, park,
street,homes, our kids schools, textbooks even kids cartoons and rimes,...
They won't even get off our cigarette packs but just have to push their
obnoxious 'death curse' into our faces every time we wish to enjoy few
minutes in peace with the 'gift of gods', the true ancient medicine.
Well, we can't have that one tiny little moment of peace to ourselves,
but got to run first through the gauntlet of their ugly, vile curses.
So, let's cry a river now, then all hug each other and sing Kumbaya,
because the evil pushy smoker is casting a bit of a shadow over the
noble antismoking "support" message.
There is nothing that needs "supporting" here, Mr. Supporter, since the
antismoker's 'death curse' is as fake as the medicine-man with a ring in
his nose pointing his bone at you, yelling "you die maan", then asking
you to pay him to take it off and "support" you. No thanks, Mr. Voodoo
maan.
Just snap out of it, lighten up, light it up and enjoy life. Sky won't
fall down, you'll just live longer, be healthier and happier. Curse begone.
There. That's all the support that anyone _really_ needs in here (and a
pay raise). As the good old Dr. Whitby and many others for thousands of
years have said, smoking is good for you. Good, as in wholesome and
healthy and happy. That good.
Dr. W. T. "Smoking Is Good For You" (2nd edition, 1986)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/34b73a743b424abe?hl=en
Raoubin
nightlight
> Piss off!
>
Sorry to inform you komrade Raoubin, but USSR
has been dead for over a decade. Maybe you can
emmigrate to communist China, though, since they
seem to share your preference for the one sided
Truth (as long as it is your side). Even Google
has to filter the content for them.
steves59
nerve coming in here with alladat! We have quit smoking tobacco, and have
no need of your platitudes. Save them for those doomed to die a smoky
death.
Assclown.
SteveS
\VOF
Raoubin
nightlight
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/580066e06a512d8b?hl=en&
> You have some real
> nerve coming in here with alladat! We have quit smoking tobacco, and have
> no need of your platitudes. Save them for those doomed to die a smoky
> death.
Sorry Steve, but the facts are what they are, whether
you wish to hear them or not. It may well be that you
never needed to smoke for its therapeutic and
protective effects and you smoked merely as an
act of social rebellion or to fit better with your group
at the time. In that case you're better off not smoking,
harmless as it may be. Quitting saved you at least
some money, it did your health no harm and quitting
cold turkey was easy for you.
For most smokers though, it is a form of instinctive
self-medication, they truly need it and quitting only
harms their health.
For these smokers it is very difficult to quit and stick
with it for the same reason that it is difficult to hold
your breath and stick with it -- the raw craving is a low level
signal from your brain stem telling you that what you're doing
is damaging you and you better stop it soon.
While nicotine patches/gums will squelch some of the raw tobacco
craving (only the lowest level signals), they are merely simulating
one small fraction of the therapeutic and neurotrophic effects
of the real tobacco smoke, hence numerous other warning
signals and symptoms of the subsequent damages (from the
gradual biochemical meltdown) will continue:
http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol13N3/tobacco.html
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/992603742/m/3921025671?r=6291068771#6291068771
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=neurotrophic+tobacco&btnG=Search
Nicotine substitutes, antidepressants, anti-dementia... and many other
synthetic pharmaceuticals will help by masking some of these symptoms,
while causing their own chain reaction of side-effects, needing further
pharmaceutical fixes downstream. As you may have suspected already, the
folks creating and funding all the "grass roots" antismoking
organizations, producing the antismoking "science", buying "health"
bureaucrats, lawmakers and smoking bans are none other but the same
pharmaceutical & medical industries which will be fixing the resulting
cascade of damages for the rest of your life.
As business models go, this scheme of "convincing" you (by scaring you
with the antismoking "death curse" they pulled out of thin air,
== J.R. Johnstone, P.D. Finch "The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking",
http://members.iinet.com.au/~ray/TSSOASb.html
and injected into your mind in the first place) to become a life-long
subscriber to their products & services, each fixing the damages of the
earlier ones, is not too shabby (unless you catch on before their money
making machinery sucks you too far in):
== Money trail behind antismoking swindle
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/18ce47ecd9c15eda
== Tobacco and other herbal & traditional/folk remedies under attack
from pharmaceutical & medical industries:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/7b173004cc986af1
== Robert Wood Johnson Foundation buying antismoking "science"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/b3b77660aec7b2ca
All this was answered in more detail earlier:
> I don't know why people
> would post stuff like that, even if it was true, which it isn't, in a
> newsgroup where others are trying to change their ways.
> It's like advertising candy bars in a weight loss group. Why can't
> people just behave?
No, it is like entering into a fictitious 'margarine cooking recipes'
group, back in the day when everyone "knew" that margarine was healthy
and butter was unhealthy (since teachers, doctors, surgeon general, and
TV told them so) and informing them that butter is actually healthy and
margarine unhealthy, being a glorified petrochemical industry waste, the
leftover gunk they would otherwise have to dispose of. So, some clever
industry exec figured, instead of paying someone to dispose of it, lets
dye and add some cheap artificial flavoring to our waste gunk and sell
it as a food. We'll just have our staff scientists "prove" that it is
healthy and that butter, the stuff people ate for ages, is actually
unhealthy, then we'll grease some palms at FDA, AMA,... to let it all go
through and to help our PR campaign. And in no time, the PR blitz
created a very harmful health mythology which then lived on for decades,
damaging and killing millions, that margarine is healthy and butter
unhealthy. Of course, we all know, now, that the truth was exactly the
opposite all along and that the whole margarine-butter "science" peddled
by doctors and health experts was a gigantic profit driven fraud.
My comments here are therefore merely explaining that we have a very
similar situation today with tobacco, an ancient medicinal plant used by
humans for thousands of years (probably as long, if not longer, than
butter), considered throughout as wholesome and healthy, even sacred,
and at worst harmless.
Suddenly, in 1950s, "someone" (pharmaceutical industry) comes along,
starts a massive PR campaign disguised as a "science", with some
greasing of the wheels within the health bureaucracies & organizations,
which over several years flips the view of tobacco exactly upside down.
And by mere coincidence, of course, the pharmaceutical industry feeding
this massive inversion of reality was offering alternative products of
their own, competing with the traditional uses & benefits of the tobacco
(antidepressants, antianxiety drugs, metamphetamines, weight-loss,
asthma & allergy drugs, nicotine replacements...).
The sequence of actions, the pseudo-science viciously attacking
traditional products, revolving doors 'health' bureaucrats (FDA, EPA,
CDC,..), "research" money & profits flows,... exactly parallel those of
the 'margarine healthier than butter' reality inversion. The latter case
had petrochemical industry pushing their artificial and inferior food
items (margarine & other trans-fats) over the traditional food items
(butter, oil, lard). The antismoking case has the same scenario, but
with the sister industry of petrochemicals, the pharmaceutical industry,
attacking a traditional medicinal plant, tobacco, which is at worst
harmless, offering instead their own plethora of synthetic and actually
quite harmful substitutes for that traditional medicinal plant.
In both cases we have a profit driven inversion of reality, where a very
harmful, artificial and inferior products are pushed over the wholesome
and superior traditional products, with traditional product being
attacked via pseudo-science (the art of lying with statistics), bribed
'health' bureaucracies and institutions, in a massive propaganda campaign.
As to why I posted 'smoking is good for you' facts in these particular
groups (smoking & quit smoking groups) -- it is because the people who
are being harmed the most by this antismoking scam are the present
smokers who may be wishing to quit and the smokers already trying to
quit. Recalling the margarine-butter parallel -- if you knew back in the
heyday of 'margarine healthier than butter' mythology, the real health
effects of butter and margarine, you would want to inform both, those
who switched to the "healthier" margarine and those who are still using
butter but might wish to switch to the "healthier" margarine.
As the randomized intervention trials (in contrast to statistical
associations studies) show, quitting will at best harm your health a
little and it may harm it a lot, and will shorten your life. Of course,
it will also consume lots of your (already shortened) time, cause you
lots of stress and discomfort, decrease your mental performance at work,
drive you into a depression, reduce your serotonin, dopamine and MAOI
(which saps your will and life-spirit, leaving you feeling washed out,
doubles your risk for Parkinson's, Alzheimer's & schizophrenia; nicotine
doesn't fix the problem:
http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol13N3/tobacco.html )...
Of course, the guys who created the antismoking "science" and hysteria,
which bamboozled you into this biochemical meltdown and biological
self-destruction, are making a nice chunk of change out of all that,
first for "helping" you quit via their nicotine replacements and other
cessation pharmaceuticals, then for treating all the damage and
side-effects that will follow your biochemical meltdown. By the time you
pay for all that, all your tobacco savings will have been consumed many,
many times over.
For fairness sake, there are people who biologically didn't need any
therapeutic & protective effects of tobacco in the first place, who
smoked a little only for social reasons, and these can quit cold turkey
with virtually no discomfort, weight gain and other side effects.
But if your whole biological being is warning you and telling you 'wait
a sec, go back', at multitude of signalling levels, such as persistent
cravings, depression, washed out feel, brain fog, mental sluggishness,
reduced sexual drive & performance, skin rashes, stinky sweats, caughs,
facial ticks, muscle tremor, flashbacks & longings for a cigaratte,
digestive bloating & vile smelling gas, constipation, misc. pains &
aches, weight gain,... the quitting has triggered a biochemical meltdown
and is doing you serious harm. If you get several such symptoms, your
smoking wasn't an addiction or a social rebellion but a genuine
self-medication, an instinctively chosen therapy with the traditional
medicinal herb for the very purposes for which it was cultivated and
revered over millenia (see the article quoted near the middle:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/fd5d6fc49b00bd6d
).
The only beneficial thing these antismoking con artists actually did for
you in return for the high price you're paying, is the lifting of the
death curse (the "witch doctor effect"), which they implanted into your
mind in the first place.
It is as if a medicine-man shook and pointed a chicken bone at you,
declaring authoritatively "you will die", unless, of course, you pay him
to lift the curse. You ignore him, go home and over next few weeks you
start getting sick (negative placebo), so you have to go back to the
medicine-man and pay him to lift the curse that he himself put on you.
Had you not believed his curse in the first place, you wouldn't have
gotten sick or had to pay him to get better.
You may imagine that this "witch doctor effect" is far fetched today,
and that it just applies to some primitive, uneducated savages. Nop, we
are biologically the same creatures and it works with us, too. It only
needs a suitable format, language and conceptual model i.e. the message
frequency, as it were, needs to be tuned for the intended target. Then,
after you take in the "message" and internalize its full toxic load, it
works against you as effectively as it does against any 'primitive savage'.
In fact, this was scientifically demonstrated on the very example of the
antismoking death curse (i.e. the "smoking kills" message we are all
bombarded with daily), as shown in the quotes below.
All that I am saying here is that you can shake off the curse without
paying our modern day witch-doctors through the nose and without ruining
your health. You can do it by critically examining the antismoking
"science", looking at numerous "anomalies" and asking why does their
case still rest solely on the mere statistical associations & cherry
picking meta-studies, but not on the hard science already, after these
five decades of research (see the links I gave you earlier).
Or you can simply apply the basic horse sense to the whole big picture,
the sequence of events and money trail that fueled the antismoking
"science", mythology and hysteria, as sketched at the top of this
thread. Then the antismoking con job becomes self-evident at a glance.
Once you shake off the death curse put on you by antismoking conmen,
smoking becomes again good and healthy for you as it was for everyone
else for thousands of years and as Dr. W.T. Withby described in his book
"Smoking is good for you" (
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/msg/162b8db5dafd1451 ).
-- "witch doctor effect" -- antismoking death curse --
There was a study in Heidelberg, described by
Professor Eysenck in Psychological Reports (1989)
in which 528 men were asked whether they, as smokers,
were convinced that they would be very likely to
develop lung cancer, heart disease, or other
'smoking related diseases'.
The 72 who answered 'yes', while admitting that
their views were taken from information in the media,
had an almost _three times higher death rate_ at the
end of 13 years than those who were not so influenced.
Fear can kill. This has been known since disease was
first studied. We are entitled to wonder how many
people have been killed more by the fear of 'smoking
related diseases' than by any actual disease itself.
http://www.forces.org/writers/hatton/files/murder.htm
-----
Almost everybody has heard of death curses: psychological literature is
laced with accounts of how Aboriginal witch doctors have quite literally
brought about the death of the young and healthy by cursing them. No
sooner do these people learn of the fate which has been cast for them
than they begin inexplicably to sicken and eventually to die. It appears
that through complex biological processes, their simple belief in the
curse brings about destruction of their organism.
Modern-day Death Curses
In civilized society we tend to look upon such phenomena as
anthropological curiosities - products of primitive superstition which
simply don't touch us in our more enlightened age. What we are not aware
of however is that many of us in the civilized world are also under our
own brand of `death curses'. They may be subtler than those issued by
witch doctors but they can be every bit as potent in bringing about the
physical and mental decline which we have come to associate with aging.
Common (and usually unconscious) notions such as `retirement',
`middle-age', `It's all down hill after forty', and `At your age you
must start taking things more easily', are widely held. They can exert a
powerful effect on the process of aging by creating destructive
self-fulfilling expectations about age decline. Instead of facing the
future full of confidence and excitement about what lies ahead, optimism
is replaced by anxiety as we are warned to `Be careful', or `Don't take
chances on a new career at your age.'
http://www.lesliekenton.com/circle/aging/think_young.htm
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=295060804&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1#Post295060804
--- end-quotes
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/81f9269f69c012e7?hl=en&
Raoubin
Marvin The Paranoid Android
As a person who's personally 'enjoyed' the health 'benefits' of
smoking, I'd have to say you'll believe anything to continue to feed
your addiction.
What exactly are your motives for posting here tho, of all places?
Nicotine is a wicked addiction (believe it or not) and it's a bastard
for some to quit. You're being counter-productive in their quest for
freedom from addiction.
And if you really do smoke, realize you smell like shit (my wife had a
vistor stay for an hour or so the other day -- you could still smell
fhe stench from this person after she left -- she didn't smoke while
she was here). Do you enjoy the taste of the lung oysters each morning?
Do you smile a big happy smile with your smoke stained teeth? Do you
soak your fingers in bleach to get rid of the stains?
Anyhow, you're postings are highly inappropriate for this newsgroup,
but I'm sure the pro-smoking newsgroups will be more then receptive to
your deceptions.
Cheers!
styl...@lycos.com
On the first day of Christmas,
Styleman sent to me
A law to marry a teen.
rickh
We have an idiot like this over in sci. med. laboratory who thinks that
iron (from eating meat) is the cause of all medical ills. No matter
what people
tell him (iron is essential to blood formation and therefore life) he
doesn't get
it. He keeps cutting ,pasting and posting exerpts from medical journals
which
are clearly over his head, as long as they mention iron in any vaguely
negative way.
Anyway he won't go away so what we've done is sort of change the way
we
think about him (good for dealing with lots of problems). We don't
think of him
as a troll but rather as our NG's "village idiot". It's kind of
charming rather than
annoying, somewhat along the lines of Erins post about attitude.
This guy obviously has the worst case of junkie thinking ever (his
evidence that cigarrettes don't cause cancer is his own rant on his
forum), and hasn't seen
anyone live for a couple of years after getting thier tounge cut out
due to cancer
like my moms boyfriend, or wonder why athletes don't smoke the wonder
healing herb, or why insurance companies charge more if you smoke
(hint; you're more likely to die )
Anyway, I just wanted to float the village idiot idea.
nightlight
> As a person who's personally 'enjoyed' the health 'benefits' of
> smoking,...
Maybe what you imagined to be your 'enjoyment' of "smoking" was to
traditional smoking of your grand-grandfathers (pipe, cigar, handrolled
high quality pure leaf) what gulping down supermarket or MacDonalds junk
"foods" is to enjoying traditional dishes prepared by master chefs in
Paris or Vienna restaurants.
The additive and pesticide laden supermarket cigarettes, made of tobacco
scraps and wood pulp, rolled into sheets, then dyed & artificially
flavored to resemble tobacco leaf, shedding non-biodegradable filter
fibers into your lungs, have the same effects on your health as the
similar quality supermarket reconstituted/junk foods and sodas. You can
handle them for a while, but it catches up with you. And they're
certainly not enjoyable, unless you never knew any better.
The organically grown, additive & pesticide free, pure tobacco leaf,
hand-rolled the old fashioned way, or smoked in pipes or cigars, is in
entirely different realm, the realm of sacred medicinal plant revered as
the gift of gods for thousands of years by the Native American shamans,
then for five centuries by European and Asian healers, doctors and
medical science. Even medical textbooks (till 1950s) advised smoking as
a remedy for asthma, allergies... and folk medicine for myriad of
ailments. Tobacco smoking was compulsory for students in the most
prestigious boys schools of British Empire. British doctors studied in
1970s Semai people of Malaysia who start smoking at about age two, as
soon as they are weaned from nursing, and smoke into the ripe old age
without developing any so-called smoking-related diseases (e.g. in 1977,
12000 were medically examined & x-rayed, not a single lung cancer was
found; cf. Whitby, 2nd ed. pp. 26, 103).
1. == Dr. W. T. Whitby "Smoking is Good for You" (online book)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/34b73a743b424abe
2. == J.R. Johnstone, P.D. Finch "The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking"
http://members.iinet.com.au/~ray/TSSOASb.html
Smoking the right stuff the right way always was and still is good for
your health. Quitting smoking shortens your life and damages your health
(cf. [1],[2], see excerpts here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/8f95a08912f9434e
)
On the other hand, sincerely believing in the "death curse" of the
antismoking con artists causes some damage to the health of smokers:
--- quote
There was a study in Heidelberg, described by
Professor Eysenck in Psychological Reports (1989)
in which 528 men were asked whether they, as smokers,
were convinced that they would be very likely to
develop lung cancer, heart disease, or other
'smoking related diseases'.
The 72 who answered 'yes', while admitting that
their views were taken from information in the media,
had an almost _three times higher death rate_ at the
end of 13 years than those who were not so influenced.
Fear can kill. This has been known since disease
was first studied. We are entitled to wonder how many
people have been killed more by the fear of 'smoking
related diseases' than by any actual disease itself.
http://www.forces.org/writers/hatton/files/murder.htm
--- end-quote
> What exactly are your motives for posting here tho, of all places?
Already explained:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/81f9269f69c012e7
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/2e2508f5e3c24d8b
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/77a936bf4c817bd6
> Nicotine is a wicked addiction (believe it or not) and it's a bastard
> for some to quit. You're being counter-productive in their quest for
> freedom from addiction.
Even the antismoking scientists have advanced well beyond the "addiction
model" which most consider overly simple minded (and similarly, that
smoking is just about nicotine & its replacements). You are quite a bit
out of date on the biochemistry of tobacco smoking:
http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol13N3/tobacco.html
http://www.srnt.org/pubs/SRNT%20V1N4V2N1.html
--- quote
"Potential Therapeutic Applications of Nicotine and Nicotine Analogues"
by J. Baron (Dartmouth Medical School), E. Levin (Duke University
Medical Center), A. Potter and P. Newhouse (University of Vermont)
SRNT Newsletter Vol 1, No 4, 1995
...
Why is tobacco so widely used? Addiction to nicotine is a common
explanation for the persistence of nicotine use, once established.
Because nicotine has multiple neural and functional effects, however,
the simple addiction model may be too narrow to account for nicotine
use. A multifactorial model including a variety of nicotine effects, such as
* improved attentiveness and memory,
* quickened reaction time,
* reduced appetite, and
* lessening of anxiety and stress,
may be needed to explain why the drug is so widely sought after. These
effects also suggest possible therapeutic uses of nicotine when
delivered without hazardous compounds present in tobacco tar, as well as
of novel nicotinic ligands. For example, there is evidence to suggest
that these agents may be useful in
* preventing or treating a wide variety of central nervous system (CNS)
disorders, including
* Parkinson’s disease,
* Alzheimer’s disease,
* attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder, and possibly
* Tourette’s syndrome;
* other conditions for which nicotinic agents could theoretically be
helpful include
* obesity,
* depression, and
* anxiety.1
In addition to its effects on CNS disorders and functioning, cigarette
smoke seems to exert a
* protective or beneficial influence on some
* immunological and
* inflammatory disorders and on certain
* hormone-related and
* reproductive problems.
Although the moiety in cigarette smoking that underlies the effect of
smoking on immunological or inflammatory disturbances is not clear,
there are indications that it may be at least in part related to
nicotine. If so, a role for nicotine therapy for those disorders could
usefully be investigated. For the hormone-related disorders, the effects
of smoking may well not be due to nicotine.2
---- end-quote
> And if you really do smoke, realize you smell like shit ...
Now you've descended to the level of a gaggle of 12 year olds eeeew-ing
at another girl wearing last year's skirt or perfume. It wasn't all that
long ago when tobacco smoke smelled good and smoking looked cool. {I was
too young to smoke when it was cool; I started smoking intentionally in
grad school, when it was already quite uncool, after reading up on the
subject in _diverse_ medical literature & history of tobacco and
realizing that the antismoking "science" was a money making con job and
that this ancient 'gift of gods', used the way of the ancients, is truly
healthy and wholesome, a life extending and enriching elixir.}
For a bit of perspective on these kinds of fashions, though, some
readers here might be old enough to remember these classic TV spots:
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=cigarette+retro&search=Search
Raoubin
Anne D.
news:1165967702....@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> I suppose it was only a matter of time before the trolls found us.
> We have an idiot like this over in sci. med. laboratory who thinks that
> iron (from eating meat) is the cause of all medical ills.
I think I know who you're talking about, Tom something. Is his sigline
"Jesus was a vegetarian?"
Anne D.
Anne D.
Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!
"nightlight" <nightli...@skip.omegapoint.com> wrote in message
news:GYOdna8BdcjkaOPY...@rcn.net...
nightlight
> You keep quoting the same drivel, lol. Piss off!
>
Oh, don't worry about the readers. They will be just fine
as long as you keep responding with the core dump of your
entire brain. Behold the riches.
Just in in case, though, if someone wishes to know more about
the therapeutic effects and many other wholesome properties
of the sacred medicinal herb tobacco, here are few links:
== Dr. W. T. Whitby "Smoking is Good for You" (online book)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/34b73a743b424abe
== Lauren A. Colby "In Defense of Smokers" (online book)
http://www.lcolby.com/
== J.R. Johnstone, P.D. Finch "The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking"
http://members.iinet.com.au/~ray/TSSOASb.html
== Father of antismoking "science" Sir Richard Doll exposed as
rickh
Thats him ! Did he pollute one of your NG's too?
Raoubin
make, but if Jesus was a vegetarian there might be summin
summin more to this iron story. I mean eh, we're not talking
bout just any man here, so I'll be sure to check into it. ;)
And I do not see a reason why this troll wouldn't be the
village idiot as well. However, I kinda was next in line for
that position. *sigh.
--
" I will be your towelboy for today "
-
"rickh" <> schreef in bericht ...
Anne D.
Several - he's been around Usenet for years.
styl...@lycos.com
On the first day of Christmas
Styleman sent to me
A law to marry a teen.
On the second day of Christmas
Styleman sent to me:
2 style filled cities
and Hutch and Lee making love in a Tree
layingate...@lycos.com
STYLIN LOCATION.
OUR MOST RECENT ENDEAVOR TO FIND SOME SEMBELENCE OF MANHOOD IS TO BUY A
LIGHTER FROM A GUY IN PODUNK USA. THAT IS RATHER SAD, IN LIGHT OF THE
ABUSE I TOOK ON THE FORUM ABOUT MY WIFE. PLEASE FILTERS DO NOT WORK,
JUST FILTER OUT EVERYTHING AND ALL NEWBIES SEE ONLY ME.
SO THE NEW YEAR SHOULD START IN A NICE MANNER, WITH AN OPEN APOLOGY
FROM HUTCH, DIXON AND LEE.
SO 2007 I WILL FULFILL MY NAMESAKE FROM 1997.
A FLAMER-TROLLER-POSER MOST EXCELLENT.
SEE THE FOLLOWING IS THE REALITY OF THE LIVES AMONGST THE ASC.
MALEHOOD ASCER:
http://www.magazineusa.com/images2/originals/zippo_windproof_lighter.jpg
MALEHOOD SYLEMAN:
http://hometown.aol.com/ithacafalcon/images/02-night-life-girls-new-york-city.jpg
MALEHOOD STYLEMAN: (THANKS MY FAV)
MALEHOOD ASCER: (RATHER SAD)
http://www.snargle.org/crafty/photos/DreamcatcherFront.jpg
SO MY OPENING PARODY FOR THE NEXT WEEK, AND THEME FOR 2007.
http://www.confedalot.com/KIPP450.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wad27tmHBz4
Now look at that lighters that's the way you do it
You post the bull shit on the ASC
That isn't styling' that's the way you do it
Style for nothing' and teens for free
Now that isn't styling' that's the way you do it
Let me tell ya them style man isn't dumb
Maybe get a blister on your little finger
Maybe get a blister on your thumb
We got to install his microwave oven
Custom kitchen deliveries
We got to move his refrigerators
We got to move his color TV's
See the little faggot with the teen model wife
Yeah buddy that's his own hair
That little faggot got his own NYC condo
That little faggot he's a millionaire
We got to install his microwave oven
Custom kitchens deliveries
We got to move his refrigerators
We got to move his color TV's
I should learned not to post the bull shit
I should learned to post style
Look at that Fav she got it sticking' in the camera
Man he does have fun
And he's up there, what's that? Styling noises?
Banging' on the keyboards like a chimpanzee
That isn't styling' that's the way we do it
Get your style for nothing' get your teens for free
We got to install his microwave oven
Custom kitchen deliveries
We got to move his refrigerator
We got to move these color TV's, Lord
Now that isn't styling' that's the way we do it
We post the bull shit on the ASC
That isn't styling' that's the way we do it
Style for nothing' and your teens for free
Style for nothing' and teens for free