What's up?
Ciggy
It has been a long, boring summer and fall. I so missed you, walking hand
in hand on the beach, hanging around the bon fire on a crisp autumn day.
Now that winter is here in the northern hemisphere, I think it is time we
ended this silly quarrel and got back together.
Now I know you have told all your friends that you hate me, that I am no
good for you, that I am controlling, demanding, disgusting and a lazy,
expensive sponge, but you know you don't really mean that. I am here for
you like no one else, here to support you, give you strength, make life
worth living when the rest of them just pass you by. You know I am your
everything, your comfort and sollace, your best friend. You know you want
me back beside you, keeping you warm and happy through the dark days of
winter.
Really, love - who wants to live forever anyway? A few happy, short years
at my side are so much better than a long, healthy, boring life without me.
You know you are nothing without me. Take me back and I will be with you
for as long as you live.
Yours with Love,
Ciggy
steves59
lied to me... you said you would never hurt me. You said we would have a
happy healthy relationship. Sad for me that I bought your line of shit
for as long as I did.
You suck. More than that, you stink.
Goodbye forever. Never darken my door, or my walls, again.
SteveS
VOF
Patches Forever
Bill S.
"Ciggy" <ci...@smokers.com> wrote in message
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nightlight
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/browse_frm/thread/c9e2711459585f0c/ca3069f10782c233?hl=en#ca3069f10782c233
>>> "Ciggy" <ci...@smokers.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> Hey Lover!
>>>
>>> It has been a long, boring summer and fall. I so missed you,
>>> walking hand in hand on the beach, ...
>>>
>>> Yours with Love,
>>>
>>> Ciggy
> This is a really good one. This is how I felt about
> smoking - for sure.
>
> Bill S.
That is truly pathetic. I mean, look at what the antismoking con artists
(who are making billions out of your naivete) have done to your minds.
Turned them into an infantile mush. "Patches for ever"??? WTF is wrong
with some people.
Now the good news. Tobacco smoking is good for you. It was healthy and
benevolent for thousands of years, as the Native American shamans
cultivated the sacred tobacco plant, faithfully passing on this magical
'gift of gods' from generation to generation. It was also good for five
centuries of European smoking tradition. Even medical textbooks advised
tobacco smoking as an effective and safe remedy for variety of ailments
until 1950s. Smoking was compulsory for students in the most prestigious
boys schools in British Empire (cf. [1]). There are still places where
indigenous people start smoking from age two, right as they are weaned
from their mothers milk, then keep smoking and live happily into the
ripe old age with no so-called 'smoking-related' diseases (cf. [3], 2nd
ed. 1986, pp. 26 and 102). ... That is how healthy and benevolent it is.
Then, suddenly in 1950s (cf. [5]), a bunch of snake oil peddlers
(pharmaceutical & health industry) rolls into the town in their garsih
wagon and start passing around their slick marketing brochures,
disguised as "scientific studies" boasting to prove the grave harm from
tobacco smoking and advising everyone to quit smoking immediately and
switch over to the magic potions and patches, of which, as luck would
have it, they just happen to have few back there in their shiny wagon,
that will cure all the townsfolk from the evil weed and give each
fifteen extra years of happy healthy life. And that's not all...
Even without debunking their antismoking "science" blow by blow (which
is easy enough to do and which has been done, see the links below), on
its face alone, their game is plainly ridiculous. What kind of dupe does
one have to be to fall for such a blatantly transparent con job?
If you are still not quite sure about it and do wish to check a more
detailed blow by blow debunking of the antismoking con artists and their
"science", here are few references to help you snap out of their matrix
and shake off its death curse.
Then, after you discover that the only real harm to you was from the
toxic "witch doctor effect" (see [3]), the death curse insidiously
injected into your mind by the antismoking con artists (so they can
squeeze few bucks out of "curing" you from it), you can go light 'em up
again in crystal clear conscience and enjoy the magical blue smoke, just
you and the gift of gods in a perfect peace and in great health.
--- References
1. J.R. Johnstone & P.D. Finch "The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking"
http://members.iinet.com.au/~ray/TSSOASb.html
2. "In Defense of Smokers" by L. A. Colby
http://www.lcolby.com/
3. Dr. W. T. Whitby "Smoking is good for you"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/msg/162b8db5dafd1451
4. Studies by WHO (and others) demonstrating health benefits
of secondary smoke for kids and spouses of smokers
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=295048458&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1#Post295048458
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=295060473&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1#Post295060473
http://www.obscurious.co.uk/componants/smoking1440.pdf
5. Father of antismoking "science" Sir Richard Doll, who started this
whole antismoking con job in 1950s, exposed in this investigative report
as a complete scientific fraud of the most deprived kind:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/37bbf9c507aeca61?hl=en&
Raoubin
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chefmcc
Does nightlight also post in the "World is Flat Society" newsgroup?
I mean seriously, how do people like this actually get through life?
I think he/she might need something brighter than a nightlight.
have fun be brave
Paul
nightlight
> Does nightlight also post in the "World is Flat Society" newsgroup?
Sorry to hear you got bamboozled by the antismoking con artists. They
duped you into believing that thoroughly disrupting your biochemistry is
is healthy thing to do, that it will make you live longer and reduce
chances of the so-called "smoking related" diseases, lung cancers, heart
attacks, emphysema,... Well, the reality turns out much stubborn to
bamboozle.
Had you checked some of the references provided earlier, you would have
discovered that the facts found in randomized intervention trials, which
is the scientific way to uncover the causal relations (as opposed to
finding mere associations), where exactly the opposite -- those randomly
picked into the intervention group, most of whom dutifully quit as
advised (they were also helped with pharmaceutical cessation therapies),
when followed over years and decades, ended up with _worse health_
(including getting more lung cancers & heart attacks, gained weight) and
_lived shorter_ than the control group (those who were left alone, to
smoke as they wished).
Only a handful of such causality probing studies were done and they all
went the "wrong" way, showing that quitting at best has no beneficial
effect at all, and quite often that it harms the health of those who
were convinced to quit. So to solve the unpleasant "anomaly", the
antsmoking con artists just stopped doing these kinds of 'hard science'
studies and focused instead on paying off the FDA, EPA, CDC, ACS,
NCI,... bureaucrats to do the infamous meta-studies, where they cherry
pick the data to fit the desired conclusions and then make sweeping
pronouncements ('debate is over' and such) without ever examining a
single patient, or a single smoker or a nonsmoker, or doing any science
at all.
Here are some quotes about these studies on quitting from the Whitby's
book I mentioned earlier:
* Dr. W. T. Whitby "Smoking is good for you"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/msg/162b8db5dafd1451
PDF:
http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/cgi/getdoc?tid=isf14d00&fmt=pdf&ref=results
Text: http://tobaccodocuments.org/landman/507927406-7466.txt
-- page 30 (OCR of scanned book)
The campaigners must have been bitterly disappointed by the results of
the very extensive "Multiple Risk Factor Intervention Trial" or
"M.R.F.I.T." This was conducted by the American National Heart, Lung and
Blood Institute over the past seven years at a cost of 113 million
dollars in an attempt to show that smoking is harmful. Twelve thousand
men were divided into two groups. The "intervention" group had 22 per
cent more lung cancer and a total overall mortality of 2.1 per cent
worse than the group that was left alone. (Journal of the American
Medical Association September 24th 1982).
With gnashing of teeth lame excuses were made and the few favourable
findings were made much of in an effort to salvage something from the
wreckage. Although these striking figures for lung cancer were given in
the article, page 1470 under neoplasia (cancer), strangely (or is it
strange?) they were not referred to nor discussed.
Of course, the report does not label the groups as smokers and non-
smokers, but the foremost requirement was that the intervention group
stop smoking. About half of them stopped. Even if some of the other
group stopped smoking, the results were devastating for the anti-smoking
campaigners.
And it is generally accepted that the groups were "smokers and
non-smokers". If the results had not been so disappointing we could be
sure they would have been officially so classed.
In the American Journal of Epidemiology, Vol. 123, No 2, Professor Burch
points out that the recent major trials showed that smokers got very
much less cancer than non-smokers, and asks, "Is smoking prophylactic?"
No wonder the campaigners so shamelessly try to keep these findings from
the public.
The London Daily Telegraph recently ran a headline, "Workers ad- vised
by their doctors how to prevent heart disease died in greater numbers
than those who stuck to their old ways," commenting on the great UNITED
KINGDOM HEART PREVENTION PROJECT (reported in the Lancet, May 14th
1983). This was a scientific study of 18,000 men who were divided into
two groups. One group was persuaded to quit smoking, to diet and have
various checks. The other group was left alone. After 6 years there were
402 deaths in the first group but only 282 in the group that was left
alone. There were 193 heart deaths in the first group and 129 in the
group that was left alone.
In both these studies smokers did so much better that the antis really
cannot deny that smoking is beneficial. Isn't it ridiculous for
insurance companies to give discounts to non-smokers. It should be the
other way round.
Something that was kept very quiet in the famous Framingham study was
the finding that smoking appears to give considerable im- munity to
cancer of the lower bowel. It was not until 1981 that some doctors,
writing in the Journal of the American Medical Association, pointed out
that the study showed that non-smokers got four times as much of this
type of cancer as did smokers. (January 16th 1981.)
-------
Here is Johnstone on similar Finnish study:
"Two Consequences of Quitting"
http://members.iinet.com.au/~ray/2consequences.html
---------------
Quitting seems to have little effect on life-expectancy, as is
shown in six of the seven controlled trials which have been
conducted to determine any such effect. The results of the
seventh are more complex.
This was a randomised five-year multifactorial prevention trial
of vascular disease (Miettinen, Huttunen, Naukkarinen et al.,
1985). An intervention group of 612 forty-eight year old
businessmen, considered to be at high risk of cardiovascular
disease, were encouraged to change their diet (particularly with
regard to fat intake) to reduce smoking and to take more
exercise. Where blood pressure and serum lipid levels did not
fall sufficiently, the subjects were treated with a variety of
drugs, mainly diuretics and beta-blockers and probucol and
clofibrate. A similar group of 610 men was uncounselled and
untreated except that 15% of them received anti-hypertensive
drugs.
After 5 years, most risk factors, including weight, blood
pressure, serum cholesterol and triglycerides and tobacco
consumption had improved significantly in the intervention group
compared with the control group.
At the end of 5 years, total mortality in the intervention group
was 10/612 and in the control group 5/610, a non-significant
difference. There were no significant differences in mortality
from specific causes nor in morbidity except for non-fatal
stroke which was more common in the control group (8 versus 0).
In brief, improvement in lifestyle did not reduce CHD deaths or
total deaths.
15 years later the story was very different.There were 45% more
deaths in the intervention group than in the control group
(67v46). This was largely due to more than twice as many cardiac
deaths but there were also 13 "violent" deaths compared to 1 in
the control group.Quitting may not have caused this disastrous
result but it doesnt appear to have helped.
There have been just 6 other similar trials, with happier
results: no change in total death rates, deaths due to cancer or
deaths due to cardiovascular disease. Quitting is probably less
dangerous than this Finnish study suggests
But one consequence of quitting, though rare, is well-known and
dangerous, ulcerative colitis. I give the example of a woman who
found that smoking eliminated all sign of the disease. When she
tried quitting the disease recurred.
This case is a clear reminder that people are all different.
Quitting is not good for eveyone and may be seriously harmful.
---------------
Raoubin
reads here as well coz it posted in the middle of an AS3 original thread.
So there's no reason to cross-post this to three smokers news groups.
Robin.
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Love the teens
chefmcc
I hate to show my stupidity, but I don't know what it means to "snip my
headers".
I guess I thought that was something one had to pay extra for when in
Las Vegas.
Perhaps I already showed my stupidity by even responding to such
garbage as nightlight wrote to begin with. I don't know why people
would post stuff like that, even if it was true, which it isn't, in a
newsgroup where others are trying to change their ways.
It's like advertising candy bars in a weight loss group. Why can't
people just behave?
Please inform me how I might avoid unintentionally posting in other
newsgroups in the future.
(crossposting?) Thanks.
Raoubin
I just always call them that. See, when you reply to a post, you
reply to all the news groups that post was posted in. This nightlight
added a few groups to the original post, leading to you posting in:
alt.support.stop-smoking,
alt.smokers,can.talk.smoking,
alt.smokers.cigars,
alt.smokers.pipes
Looks like nightlight wants to try and create a big post where
smokers and ex smokers clash. Shame no one is playing. These
trolls don't get we're not against smoking or smokers, we're just
quitting. And why it would do something like that? Trolling support
groups is the lowest of the low and most trolls will skip these
groups, so your guess is as good as anyone's.
Anyway, when you respond to a post you can see what groups
your post will show up in. Separate groups are divided by a comma.
Just delete all groups that are not AS3 and your post will just show
in our group. That way we don't litter the smoking groups and in
return most people there will keep our group clean.
All the best chef and if I am not clear enough, please let us know.
There will prolly be someone that can explain it better,
Robin.
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nightlight
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/020625adaff943a7?hl=en&
> I don't know why people
> would post stuff like that, even if it was true, which it isn't, in a
> newsgroup where others are trying to change their ways.
> It's like advertising candy bars in a weight loss group. Why can't
> people just behave?
No, it is like entering into a fictitious 'margarine cooking recipes'
group, back in the day when everyone "knew" that margarine was healthy
and butter was unhealthy (since teachers, doctors, surgeon general, and
TV told them so) and informing them that butter is actually healthy and
margarine unhealthy, being a glorified petrochemical industry waste, the
leftover gunk they would otherwise have to dispose of. So, some clever
industry exec figured, instead of paying someone to dispose of it, lets
dye and add some cheap artificial flavoring to our waste gunk and sell
it as a food. We'll just have our staff scientists "prove" that it is
healthy and that butter, the stuff people ate for ages, is actually
unhealthy, then we'll grease some palms at FDA, AMA,... to let it all go
through and to help our PR campaign. And in no time, the PR blitz
created a very harmful health mythology which then lived on for decades,
damaging and killing millions, that margarine is healthy and butter
unhealthy. Of course, we all know, now, that the truth was exactly the
opposite all along and that the whole margarine-butter "science" peddled
by doctors and health experts was a gigantic profit driven fraud.
My comments here are therefore merely explaining that we have a very
similar situation today with tobacco, an ancient medicinal plant used by
humans for thousands of years (probably as long, if not longer, than
butter), considered throughout as wholesome and healthy, even sacred,
and at worst harmless.
Suddenly, in 1950s, "someone" (pharmaceutical industry) comes along,
starts a massive PR campaign disguised as a "science", with some
greasing of the wheels within the health bureaucracies & organizations,
which over several years flips the view of tobacco exactly upside down.
And by mere coincidence, of course, the pharmaceutical industry feeding
this massive inversion of reality was offering alternative products of
their own, competing with the traditional uses & benefits of the tobacco
(antidepressants, antianxiety drugs, metamphetamines, weight-loss,
asthma & allergy drugs, nicotine replacements...).
The sequence of actions, the pseudo-science viciously attacking
traditional products, revolving doors 'health' bureaucrats (FDA, EPA,
CDC,..), "research" money & profits flows,... exactly parallel those of
the 'margarine healthier than butter' reality inversion. The latter case
had petrochemical industry pushing their artificial and inferior food
items (margarine & other trans-fats) over the traditional food items
(butter, oil, lard). The antismoking case has the same scenario, but
with the sister industry of petrochemicals, the pharmaceutical industry,
attacking a traditional medicinal plant, tobacco, which is at worst
harmless, offering instead their own plethora of synthetic and actually
quite harmful substitutes for that traditional medicinal plant.
In both cases we have a profit driven inversion of reality, where a very
harmful, artificial and inferior products are pushed over the wholesome
and superior traditional products, with traditional product being
attacked via pseudo-science (the art of lying with statistics), bribed
'health' bureaucracies and institutions, in a massive propaganda campaign.
As to why I posted 'smoking is good for you' facts in these particular
groups (smoking & quit smoking groups) -- it is because the people who
are being harmed the most by this antismoking scam are the present
smokers who may be wishing to quit and the smokers already trying to
quit. Recalling the margarine-butter parallel -- if you knew back in the
heyday of 'margarine healthier than butter' mythology, the real health
effects of butter and margarine, you would want to inform both, those
who switched to the "healthier" margarine and those who are still using
butter but might wish to switch to the "healthier" margarine.
As the randomized intervention trials (in contrast to statistical
associations studies) show, quitting will at best harm your health a
little and it may harm it a lot, and will shorten your life. Of course,
it will also consume lots of your (already shortened) time, cause you
lots of stress and discomfort, decrease your mental performance at work,
drive you into a depression, reduce your serotonin, dopamine and MAOI
(which saps your will and life-spirit, leaving you feeling washed out,
doubles your risk for Parkinson's, Alzheimer's & schizophrenia; nicotine
doesn't fix the problem:
http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol13N3/tobacco.html )...
Of course, the guys who created the antismoking "science" and hysteria,
which bamboozled you into this biochemical meltdown and biological
self-destruction, are making a nice chunk of change out of all that,
first for "helping" you quit via their nicotine replacements and other
cessation pharmaceuticals, then for treating all the damage and
side-effects that will follow your biochemical meltdown. By the time you
pay for all that, all your tobacco savings will have been consumed many,
many times over.
For fairness sake, there are people who biologically didn't need any
therapeutic & protective effects of tobacco in the first place, who
smoked a little only for social reasons, and these can quit cold turkey
with virtually no discomfort, weight gain and other side effects.
But if your whole biological being is warning you and telling you 'wait
a sec, go back', at multitude of signalling levels, such as persistent
cravings, depression, washed out feel, brain fog, mental sluggishness,
reduced sexual drive & performance, skin rashes, stinky sweats, caughs,
facial ticks, muscle tremor, flashbacks & longings for a cigaratte,
digestive bloating & vile smelling gas, constipation, misc. pains &
aches, weight gain,... the quitting has triggered a biochemical meltdown
and is doing you serious harm. If you get several such symptoms, your
smoking wasn't an addiction or a social rebellion but a genuine
self-medication, an instinctively chosen therapy with the traditional
medicinal herb for the very purposes for which it was cultivated and
revered over millenia (see the article quoted near the middle:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/fd5d6fc49b00bd6d
).
The only beneficial thing these antismoking con artists actually did for
you in return for the high price you're paying, is the lifting of the
death curse (the "witch doctor effect"), which they implanted into your
mind in the first place.
It is as if a medicine-man shook and pointed a chicken bone at you,
declaring authoritatively "you will die", unless, of course, you pay him
to lift the curse. You ignore him, go home and over next few weeks you
start getting sick (negative placebo), so you have to go back to the
medicine-man and pay him to lift the curse that he himself put on you.
Had you not believed his curse in the first place, you wouldn't have
gotten sick or had to pay him to get better.
You may imagine that this "witch doctor effect" is far fetched today,
and that it just applies to some primitive, uneducated savages. Nop, we
are biologically the same creatures and it works with us, too. It only
needs a suitable format, language and conceptual model i.e. the message
frequency, as it were, needs to be tuned for the intended target. Then,
after you take in the "message" and internalize its full toxic load, it
works against you as effectively as it does against any 'primitive savage'.
In fact, this was scientifically demonstrated on the very example of the
antismoking death curse (i.e. the "smoking kills" message we are all
bombarded with daily), as shown in the quotes below.
All that I am saying here is that you can shake off the curse without
paying our modern day witch-doctors through the nose and without ruining
your health. You can do it by critically examining the antismoking
"science", looking at numerous "anomalies" and asking why does their
case still rest solely on the mere statistical associations & cherry
picking meta-studies, but not on the hard science already, after these
five decades of research (see the links I gave you earlier).
Or you can simply apply the basic horse sense to the whole big picture,
the sequence of events and money trail that fueled the antismoking
"science", mythology and hysteria, as sketched at the top of this
thread. Then the antismoking con job becomes self-evident at a glance.
Once you shake off the death curse put on you by antismoking conmen,
smoking becomes again good and healthy for you as it was for everyone
else for thousands of years and as Dr. W.T. Withby described in his book
"Smoking is good for you" (
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/msg/162b8db5dafd1451 ).
-- "witch doctor effect" -- antismoking death curse --
There was a study in Heidelberg, described by
Professor Eysenck in Psychological Reports (1989)
in which 528 men were asked whether they, as smokers,
were convinced that they would be very likely to
develop lung cancer, heart disease, or other
'smoking related diseases'.
The 72 who answered 'yes', while admitting that
their views were taken from information in the media,
had an almost _three times higher death rate_ at the
end of 13 years than those who were not so influenced.
Fear can kill. This has been known since disease was
first studied. We are entitled to wonder how many
people have been killed more by the fear of 'smoking
related diseases' than by any actual disease itself.
http://www.forces.org/writers/hatton/files/murder.htm
-----
Almost everybody has heard of death curses: psychological literature is
laced with accounts of how Aboriginal witch doctors have quite literally
brought about the death of the young and healthy by cursing them. No
sooner do these people learn of the fate which has been cast for them
than they begin inexplicably to sicken and eventually to die. It appears
that through complex biological processes, their simple belief in the
curse brings about destruction of their organism.
Modern-day Death Curses
In civilized society we tend to look upon such phenomena as
anthropological curiosities - products of primitive superstition which
simply don't touch us in our more enlightened age. What we are not aware
of however is that many of us in the civilized world are also under our
own brand of `death curses'. They may be subtler than those issued by
witch doctors but they can be every bit as potent in bringing about the
physical and mental decline which we have come to associate with aging.
Common (and usually unconscious) notions such as `retirement',
`middle-age', `It's all down hill after forty', and `At your age you
must start taking things more easily', are widely held. They can exert a
powerful effect on the process of aging by creating destructive
self-fulfilling expectations about age decline. Instead of facing the
future full of confidence and excitement about what lies ahead, optimism
is replaced by anxiety as we are warned to `Be careful', or `Don't take
chances on a new career at your age.'
http://www.lesliekenton.com/circle/aging/think_young.htm
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=295060804&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1#Post295060804
--- end-quotes
Raoubin
nightlight
> Cross post...
Yes, it is. The reason is given explicitly in the post itself.
Raoubin
further explanation when I say: go play in traffic you assclown!
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nightlight
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/browse_frm/thread/c9e2711459585f0c
> Trolling support groups is the lowest of the low. Needs no
> further explanation when I say: go play in traffic you assclown!
>
As explained in the post, I see it as helping the unfortunate victims of
the antismoking con artists to see through their scam. These conmen are,
after all not leaving me or any other smoker alone, but are hounding us
24/7 any place we go, every restaurant, every building, park,
street,homes, our kids schools, textbooks even kids cartoons and rimes,...
They won't even get off our cigarette packs but just have to push their
obnoxious 'death curse' into our faces every time we wish to enjoy few
minutes in peace with the 'gift of gods', the true ancient medicine.
Well, we can't have that one tiny little moment of peace to ourselves,
but got to run first through the gauntlet of their ugly, vile curses.
So, let's cry a river now, then all hug each other and sing Kumbaya,
because the evil pushy smoker is casting a bit of a shadow over the
noble antismoking "support" message.
There is nothing that needs "supporting" here, Mr. Supporter, since the
antismoker's 'death curse' is as fake as the medicine-man with a ring in
his nose pointing his bone at you, yelling "you die maan", then asking
you to pay him to take it off and "support" you. No thanks, Mr. Voodoo
maan.
Just snap out of it, lighten up, light it up and enjoy life. Sky won't
fall down, you'll just live longer, be healthier and happier. Curse begone.
There. That's all the support that anyone _really_ needs in here (and a
pay raise). As the good old Dr. Whitby and many others for thousands of
years have said, smoking is good for you. Good, as in wholesome and
healthy and happy. That good.
Dr. W. T. "Smoking Is Good For You" (2nd edition, 1986)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/34b73a743b424abe?hl=en
Raoubin
Raoubin
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BBWWWAAAHahahahahahahahahaha!!!
D&R
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Raoubin
Glasses...
of the reading kind...
go get them...
you need them!
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nightlight
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/e6681fbddac8a8bb?hl=en&
> No brainiac, I didn't. I told this assclown to piss off.
>
> Glasses...
> of the reading kind...
> go get them...
> you need them!
>
> BBWWWAAAHahahahahahahahahaha!!!
>
> D&R
Oh, don't mind the manners. Just save the links to these posts to study
it all later. Then, as you keep going back, it will percolate and grow
on you at your natural pace. And one day, before the dawn, while Sun is
still well hidden and shy, the light of knowing will suddenly envelop
you and show you that pleasure and joy and health are all on the one and
the same path.
Anne D.
Love the teens
TO THE FAV, 12 DAYS TILL OUR 26TH TOGETHER.
She was only fifteen, only fifteen
But I loved her so
But she was young to fall in love
And I was too old to know
We'd laugh and we'd sing, and do funny things
And it made our hearts glow
But she was young to fall in love
And I was too old to know
I give my heart so fast, it never will happen again
But I was a mere man of twenty six, I've aged a year since then
She was only fifteen, only fifteen
Oooh with eyes that would glow
But she young to fall in love
And I was too old to know
So why did I give my heart so fast, it never will happen again
But I was a mere man of twenty six, I've aged a year since then
Now she was only fifteen, only fifteen
Oooh but I loved that girl so
But she was so young to love
And I was too old to know
Yes she was young to fall in love
And I, I was too old, I was much too old to know
nightlight
Sorry, but this thread is about the therapeutic effects
and many other wholesome properties of the sacred medicinal
herb tobacco, the gift of gods. For details see:
== Dr. W. T. Whitby "Smoking is Good for You" (online book)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/34b73a743b424abe
== Lauren A. Colby "In Defense of Smokers" (online book)
http://www.lcolby.com/
== J.R. Johnstone, P.D. Finch "The Scientific Scandal of Antismoking"
http://members.iinet.com.au/~ray/TSSOASb.html
== Father of antismoking "science" Sir Richard Doll exposed as
scientific fraud and a master of blame-the-victim strategy
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/a5941dd832b3c36d
== Tobacco and other herbal & traditional remedies under attack
by pharmaceutical industry
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/7b173004cc986af1
== Money trail behind antismoking swindle
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/18ce47ecd9c15eda
== Robert Wood Johnson Foundation buying antismoking "science"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/b3b77660aec7b2ca
== Effects of antismoking on human brain
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers/browse_frm/thread/a27152b2c0797b36
== Antidotes for toxic "death curse" of antismoking "science"
* Smoking is Protective Against Lung Cancer
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/173601742/m/7541044041
* Getting Organized
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/866605742/m/2771083571
* Yellow Star Armbands
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/992603742/m/3921025671
* Red pill for antismoking propaganda matrix
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/613606642/m/4851097471?r=7751075571#7751075571
* Smoking as immune system exercise (glutathione production)
http://speakeasyforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/613606642/m/4851097471?r=6421028571#6421028571
CuckooCat
It just looked like ya told yerself to pissoff cuz I have this assclown
shitbinned.
hahahahahah
CatTard
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